US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[studyguy]

Carter page doing a live reenactment of the first season of Law & Order for the committee.

[Mr. Gundam]

The dude needs Ron Howard to follow him around doing Arrested Development-esque narration. Or he needs the Curb theme song playing in the background whenever he talks.

[curly]

Re: the Brazille thing, it doesn't get talked about enough how badly Obama fucked up managing the party. Left the DNC in the hands of the incompetent Debbie Wasserman Schultz and a bunch of consultants that were looking for a payday.

Of course no one wants to say anything because Obama love is the one constant in the party right now.

[Valhelm]

I think it's pretty clear that Obama's popularity and electoral success made everybody ignore the problems with the DNC, or convince themselves that these problems weren't very important.

Now we're all reaping the disastrous results of that myopia

[thehunter116]

Donald Trump just deleted his twitter. 

[Boredfrom]

Donald Trump just deleted his twitter. 

Is back.

[Valhelm]

Donald Trump just deleted his twitter. 

boy what the fuck

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/2/16600732/donald-trump-twitter-account-gone-realdonaldtrump

[thehunter116]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/926212093275267073

 

[Phoenix Dark]

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/926230647173189632

 

then again dude lies so much I'm not sure anyone should believe him unless he has evidence

[Dickie Dee]

Please show us on the doll where the DNC touched you, Optimus.

[chronovore]

Russian ads, now publicly released, show sophistication of influence campaign - Good article, but it's a little bit of a read. tl;dr version - Americans were duped by things they already believed or feared. I'm horrified at our own ignorance, but not surprised. The time between election day and inauguration were like the week between watching Sadako's videotape and her showing up out of the TV. You knew the victim was doomed, but their course was set.

[Valhelm]

don't embed links that contain question marks, the site can't handle them

[Mandark]

*rubs temples*

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"temples" pun not intended, but acknowledged

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[thehunter116]

 Republicans seemingly only support the constitution when it supports them.

[Phoenix Dark]

Club for Growth Criticizes Parts of House Bill
A leading free-market group applauded the House tax bill but blasted parts of it, saying it "effectively punishes success and caves to the Democrats’ class warfare rhetoric."

The Club for Growth, in a statement, said the corporate tax rate cuts and writeoffs for business investments will help the economy.

But David McIntosh, the group's president, said small businesses don't benefit enough. And he criticized the retention of the 39.6% top tax rate on individuals.

“Fortunately," he said, "the Senate will have an opportunity to improve upon the shortcomings in the House bill."

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/tax-bill-2017/card/1509648682

 

[Brehvolution]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

People hate the DNC even more than Trump. DNC's solution to that is to spam us with even more Trump drama instead of fixing itself.

Good fucking luck with that strategy, the only thing they're gonna achieve is people getting sick of this Trump spam and continuing hating the DNC.

It's the same the gop did during the Obama years. A whole lotta fake drama . That seemed to work out pretty well. All the Obama drama was fake news while the trump "administration" is a legit corrupt dumpster fire.

Remember when the talking heads at fox gushed when America didn't win the Olympics?

Except that the Republicans usually appeal to a certain idiot demographic that enjoys this cheap drama, not all liberals and especially progressives that are increasing more and more are willing to take this shit seriously. Just because the DNC has flooded social media and news networks with this bullshit doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of people already annoyed with this crap that are gonna forgive DNC's corruption just because "Trump".

I agree with the caveat that the DNC corruption is intra party and only hurting themselves. gop/trump's corruption actually effects the public as a whole.

Corruption affects everything. While I could agree that DNC corruption is less destructive than GOP/Trump, it was also clear that DNC will turn blind eye to certain aspects and legit concerns. Trump is bad news but is difficult to make people excited when you other option is another shady, if less worse, candidate.

Yeah, people currently hate Trump way more than they aware of the democratic party inner problems, but the Democratic party needs to clean the act before gets worse for the party inner politics.

The "DNC" looks to be the only party clearing house.

[thehunter116]

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/926254455514980357

OhOh 

[Boredfrom]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

People hate the DNC even more than Trump. DNC's solution to that is to spam us with even more Trump drama instead of fixing itself.

Good fucking luck with that strategy, the only thing they're gonna achieve is people getting sick of this Trump spam and continuing hating the DNC.

It's the same the gop did during the Obama years. A whole lotta fake drama . That seemed to work out pretty well. All the Obama drama was fake news while the trump "administration" is a legit corrupt dumpster fire.

Remember when the talking heads at fox gushed when America didn't win the Olympics?

Except that the Republicans usually appeal to a certain idiot demographic that enjoys this cheap drama, not all liberals and especially progressives that are increasing more and more are willing to take this shit seriously. Just because the DNC has flooded social media and news networks with this bullshit doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of people already annoyed with this crap that are gonna forgive DNC's corruption just because "Trump".

I agree with the caveat that the DNC corruption is intra party and only hurting themselves. gop/trump's corruption actually effects the public as a whole.

Corruption affects everything. While I could agree that DNC corruption is less destructive than GOP/Trump, it was also clear that DNC will turn blind eye to certain aspects and legit concerns. Trump is bad news but is difficult to make people excited when you other option is another shady, if less worse, candidate.

Yeah, people currently hate Trump way more than they aware of the democratic party inner problems, but the Democratic party needs to clean the act before gets worse for the party inner politics.

The "DNC" looks to be the only party clearing house.

So?

[Syph]

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*rubs temples*

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"temples" pun not intended, but acknowledged

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that whole study is pretty interesting, lots of good info in there

The DNC should be pushing Sherrod Brown hard. He's the dude.

I'd rather they didn't push anyone. Let the process play out naturally. People are going to be pissed if anyone tries to crown a winner early.

lmao

[MIMIC]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-twitter-account-briefly-critics-seize-chance-ridicule/story?id=50897711

Trump's Twitter account briefly deactivated by Twitter employee on their last day, company says

 

[Brehvolution]

Pretend that dissatisfaction/anger with the president doesn't drive midterm voting activity, brehs.

People hate the DNC even more than Trump. DNC's solution to that is to spam us with even more Trump drama instead of fixing itself.

Good fucking luck with that strategy, the only thing they're gonna achieve is people getting sick of this Trump spam and continuing hating the DNC.

It's the same the gop did during the Obama years. A whole lotta fake drama . That seemed to work out pretty well. All the Obama drama was fake news while the trump "administration" is a legit corrupt dumpster fire.

Remember when the talking heads at fox gushed when America didn't win the Olympics?

Except that the Republicans usually appeal to a certain idiot demographic that enjoys this cheap drama, not all liberals and especially progressives that are increasing more and more are willing to take this shit seriously. Just because the DNC has flooded social media and news networks with this bullshit doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of people already annoyed with this crap that are gonna forgive DNC's corruption just because "Trump".

I agree with the caveat that the DNC corruption is intra party and only hurting themselves. gop/trump's corruption actually effects the public as a whole.

Corruption affects everything. While I could agree that DNC corruption is less destructive than GOP/Trump, it was also clear that DNC will turn blind eye to certain aspects and legit concerns. Trump is bad news but is difficult to make people excited when you other option is another shady, if less worse, candidate.

Yeah, people currently hate Trump way more than they aware of the democratic party inner problems, but the Democratic party needs to clean the act before gets worse for the party inner politics.

The "DNC" looks to be the only party clearing house.

So?

Indeed

[Boredfrom]

Very cool.

[Great Rumbler]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-twitter-account-briefly-critics-seize-chance-ridicule/story?id=50897711

Trump's Twitter account briefly deactivated by Twitter employee on their last day, company says

 

 

[etiolate]

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/926160840398696448

probably

[benjipwns]

Edit: and Tim Kaine was a terrible pick for VP. He excited nobody, did nothing to shore things up with the Bernie-wing of the primary, and did everything to reinforce the perceptions that she was duplicitous and not really committed to liberal values. How does she go and pick a pro-life running mate?

Tim Kaine isn't anymore anti-abortion than Hillary. Both are "personally opposed" to abortion but have great scores with every lobbying group. (Or terrible ones for the other side.) He's a Catholic, like John Kerry, and has had to run the same twisting gauntlet of pretending he's against it. Kaine apparently supports the Hyde Amendment which is where this comes from that I can tell, but also said he would support Clinton if she pursued her platform plank to repeal it.

From what I've heard, Podesta leak could have been a fishing scam or just a product of his terrible password security. This means there's a wide variety of people who could have done it.

This is what I've tried to argue for over a year now, and I even conceded the story that Russians may have been the original source to Wikileaks but it passed through multiple hands. Podesta and the DNC people got phished like millions of people do, they fell for a blatantly fake gmail link (on top of the password shit that's common with every company), and apparently accurately describing this is covering up Trump's treason. You even had some nutjobs claiming that because Podesta and the DNC employees work for the Democratic Party or Hillary Clinton's campaign that it was an ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES AND ITS GOVERNMENT. Not three dopes in a corporation falling for a phishing scheme that leads to an e-mail dump, like has happened to countless companies. Somebody is probably going to even take issue with me characterizing it this way and I don't mean vile Mandark in his "I'm not angry, benji, I'm just disappointed" way.

Find it weird that Brazille would try to bring down Clinton camp after she fed them debate questions. The DNC seems like a giant fustercluck.

Brazille was scummy herself, by this point she thinks she has more to win being a snitch than a boot licker.

Brazille was "promoted" after DWS finally got booted because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the right experience. That's the entire reason she was on CNN which people tried to make into a big deal, her position was a ceremonial one she would be leaving soon and she was cashing in, no problems in my book. Then the DNC imploded and she was the only one who could pick up the pieces overnight without them having to elect new people and such in the middle of an election year.

Now she's trying to flip that into what she didn't have a year ago, a memoir to put out where she can mostly deflect blame and spread scuttlebutt that doesn't come back on her because most everyone else is in agreement. She couldn't do that in 2000.

Her article is a bit misleading though as she doesn't ever really explain why things were setup that way. The Clinton campaign was looking at a general election and rebuilding party leadership, Bernie's campaign was looking at its campaign. Both rightly. Bernie had basically nobody but Tulsi to "pay back" had he won the nomination or even the Presidency, Clinton had the entire Party to drag with her. And the Party had already spent eight years upset with Obama's people trying to separate everything so they could ignore the DNC all while not doing anything with their money inbetween elections. (As PD, curly and others have noted.)

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/926160840398696448

probably

we give multiple life sentences, why not multiple death sentences huh??

[team filler]

After giving it a lot of thought, politics suck.

[thehunter116]

Hey guys...I think all the evidence is pointing towards Russia being behind all of the shady 2016 shit.

But you now, maybe I'm crazy using science and facts in a post trump world. 

[benjipwns]

The "DNC" looks to be the only party clearing house.

To be fair, Trump smashed headlong into the RNC so hard it derailed the careers of about half the Senate caucus and sent the rest of the party into such disarray that candidates still don't know whether to seek Trump's endorsement or not in a primary.

And Trump wasn't a good fundraiser even for his campaign, as I noted a few weeks ago if you take out the money he gave himself, many traditional big donors basically avoided the guy's campaign and didn't even bother with PACs for him. The most infamous examples being the Koch Brothers sitting out the entire Presidential race (and spending almost none of what they intended down ballot) and Sheldon Adelson darn near doing so just a cycle after he personally kept Newt funded before he finally caved just before October 2016 possibly more out of fear of Hillary.

[benjipwns]

Hey guys...I think all the evidence is pointing towards Russia being behind all of the shady 2016 shit.

But you now, maybe I'm crazy using science and facts in a post trump world. 

I think you should provide evidence that Hillary colluded with the Russians to steal the nomination from Bernie before Jack goes to town on your ass.

[thehunter116]

Hey guys...I think all the evidence is pointing towards Russia being behind all of the shady 2016 shit.

But you now, maybe I'm crazy using science and facts in a post trump world. 

I think you should provide evidence that Hillary colluded with the Russians to steal the nomination from Bernie before Jack goes to town on your ass.

Well first I have to find Seth Rich, he's buried underground at some pizza joint I think. 

[Boredfrom]

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/926160840398696448

probably

GQ vs Fox News

Finally

[bluemax]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-crisis

[thehunter116]

Yeah, If that scenario happens I see no reason to continue this republic as is.

Clearly the conservative side of it has no interest in running a legitimate government or responsible society.

[benjipwns]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-crisis

Hillary Clinton has had multiple people killed, that Obama is a secret Muslim who wasn’t born in the US, that Trump had millions of votes stolen, that Barack Obama wiretapped Trump’s White House, that Seth Rich (the mid-level Democratic staffer who was tragically murdered) was assassinated for stealing DNC emails and giving them to WikiLeaks, or that Antifa, the fringe anti-fascist movement, will begin going door-to-door, killing white people, starting on November 4

Finally, Vox actually posts some legitimate real world news.

[Valhelm]

nobody can tell you with a straight face that there was no Russian interference in our election, but pretending that Russia single-handedly made Donald Trump our president is just a way to ignore the festering ideological and strategic pustules that plagued Hillary's campaign and the Democrats at large

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-crisis

Hillary Clinton has had multiple people killed, that Obama is a secret Muslim who wasn’t born in the US, that Trump had millions of votes stolen, that Barack Obama wiretapped Trump’s White House, that Seth Rich (the mid-level Democratic staffer who was tragically murdered) was assassinated for stealing DNC emails and giving them to WikiLeaks, or that Antifa, the fringe anti-fascist movement, will begin going door-to-door, killing white people, starting on November 4

Finally, Vox actually posts some legitimate real world news.

hillary has had hundreds of people killed, but they're all brown and not american so we aren't supposed to care

[thehunter116]

nobody can tell you with a straight face that there was no Russian interference in our election, but pretending that Russia single-handedly made Donald Trump our president is just a way to ignore the festering ideological and strategic pustules that plagued Hillary's campaign and the Democrats at large

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-crisis

Hillary Clinton has had multiple people killed, that Obama is a secret Muslim who wasn’t born in the US, that Trump had millions of votes stolen, that Barack Obama wiretapped Trump’s White House, that Seth Rich (the mid-level Democratic staffer who was tragically murdered) was assassinated for stealing DNC emails and giving them to WikiLeaks, or that Antifa, the fringe anti-fascist movement, will begin going door-to-door, killing white people, starting on November 4

Finally, Vox actually posts some legitimate real world news.

hillary has had hundreds of people killed, but they're all brown and not american so we aren't supposed to care

I think you should be more concerned with the ver increasing insanity of the right in the U.S.

[Valhelm]

ur right I forgot that we can only fight one bad thing at a time

[benjipwns]

random aside from that article, has anyone else looked at the actual dots on this infamous chart?


all those up in the left corner are golf related, stores or magazines...with much of the left side being trump businesses

Carly Fiorinia's website is classified as far-left because it's right next to Michael Moore's (which is neutral like the village voice)...deadline.com is actually in two separate locations

the intercept is considered centrist, opensecrets.org is center-right, e-bay is far-right, feelthebern is neutral

david horowitz's conspiracy site discoverthenetworks is neutral as is Heritage and The American Conservative while vault.fbi.gov and state.gov are far-right (remember these are the Obama Administration versions) and vault is almost certainly because infowars links a lot to it

scrib is listed three times that i've seen so far, billboard is on there at least twice, all kinds of republished AP wires plus local content are counted multiple times and all classified differently each time they appear

SPORTS NEWS HEADLINES - NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, PGA, NASCAR- SCORES GAME HIGHLIGHTS, SCHEDULES AND TEAM ROSTERS appears to be at the nexus of far left activity, amazing at how far the regressive left is infiltrating what used to a place where people worked together peacefully for a common goal, sports

there's a highly disturbing line connecting the golf channel to kotaku to something called The New Replubilic

it's almost like this whole chart doesn't make any sense and was made just because they could

edit: didn't mean to ramble without a point like always there, i mostly just wanted to know what all those outliers sitting way out from the blob were and saw the rest as i was scrolling around it to them, there's also a far-right site known as _ "" a bunch of links deadend at which must be the real secret nexus of meme factories as i can't find it through a google search

also this chart reminds me of the EVE Online sector maps

[Boredfrom]

ur right I forgot that we can only fight one bad thing at a time

People only need a two party system, after all.

[chronovore]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-twitter-account-briefly-critics-seize-chance-ridicule/story?id=50897711

Trump's Twitter account briefly deactivated by Twitter employee on their last day, company says

 

Yeah, I came here to post that, too.  Here's a different source:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/02/trump-twitter-account-offline

[T-Short]

Wow, how dumb is this

https://t.co/gCyfeBkSXZ

Twitter has refused to provide any details about how this unique and powerful account in its care is operated and safeguarded. Obviously, there are important security reasons for this, and that's why there hasn't been very much public insistence for Twitter to be more transparent.

But the fact that the president of the US was able to be silenced, even just for eleven minutes, by a Twitter support staffer is not a reassuring sign. It suggests that whatever safeguards Twitter has in place for the POTUS account suffer from some major deficiencies.

We don't really know what level of access various Twitter employees have to user accounts. Hopefully this staffer only had the ability to suspend the account, and not to actually access it. But we have no idea.

@realDonaldTrump isn't even the official POTUS account, it's his private account that he chose to keep. Why the fuck would Twitter have some sort of special sauce on his private account? 

[benjipwns]

You left out the best part:

Just think, what if the rogue support staffer on his last day decided to do something different. What if, instead of taking Trump's account offline, the staffer decided to fire off a tweet on Trump's account? Perhaps the staffer might have had Trump say something idiotic or embarrassing.

Yeah, just think!

[kingv]

Edit: and Tim Kaine was a terrible pick for VP. He excited nobody, did nothing to shore things up with the Bernie-wing of the primary, and did everything to reinforce the perceptions that she was duplicitous and not really committed to liberal values. How does she go and pick a pro-life running mate?

Tim Kaine isn't anymore anti-abortion than Hillary. Both are "personally opposed" to abortion but have great scores with every lobbying group. (Or terrible ones for the other side.) He's a Catholic, like John Kerry, and has had to run the same twisting gauntlet of pretending he's against it. Kaine apparently supports the Hyde Amendment which is where this comes from that I can tell, but also said he would support Clinton if she pursued her platform plank to repeal it.

From what I've heard, Podesta leak could have been a fishing scam or just a product of his terrible password security. This means there's a wide variety of people who could have done it.

This is what I've tried to argue for over a year now, and I even conceded the story that Russians may have been the original source to Wikileaks but it passed through multiple hands. Podesta and the DNC people got phished like millions of people do, they fell for a blatantly fake gmail link (on top of the password shit that's common with every company), and apparently accurately describing this is covering up Trump's treason. You even had some nutjobs claiming that because Podesta and the DNC employees work for the Democratic Party or Hillary Clinton's campaign that it was an ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES AND ITS GOVERNMENT. Not three dopes in a corporation falling for a phishing scheme that leads to an e-mail dump, like has happened to countless companies. Somebody is probably going to even take issue with me characterizing it this way and I don't mean vile Mandark in his "I'm not angry, benji, I'm just disappointed" way.

Find it weird that Brazille would try to bring down Clinton camp after she fed them debate questions. The DNC seems like a giant fustercluck.

Brazille was scummy herself, by this point she thinks she has more to win being a snitch than a boot licker.

Brazille was "promoted" after DWS finally got booted because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the right experience. That's the entire reason she was on CNN which people tried to make into a big deal, her position was a ceremonial one she would be leaving soon and she was cashing in, no problems in my book. Then the DNC imploded and she was the only one who could pick up the pieces overnight without them having to elect new people and such in the middle of an election year.

Now she's trying to flip that into what she didn't have a year ago, a memoir to put out where she can mostly deflect blame and spread scuttlebutt that doesn't come back on her because most everyone else is in agreement. She couldn't do that in 2000.

Her article is a bit misleading though as she doesn't ever really explain why things were setup that way. The Clinton campaign was looking at a general election and rebuilding party leadership, Bernie's campaign was looking at its campaign. Both rightly. Bernie had basically nobody but Tulsi to "pay back" had he won the nomination or even the Presidency, Clinton had the entire Party to drag with her. And the Party had already spent eight years upset with Obama's people trying to separate everything so they could ignore the DNC all while not doing anything with their money inbetween elections. (As PD, curly and others have noted.)

Re: Tim Kaine. You really should check his record on abortion as Governor. He supported abstinence only sex education. He did play nice on abortion once in the Senate... although Hillary is a poor barometer, since she supports a 20 week ban.

Sorry for not fixing the massive quote... but mobile.

Edit: recent Hillary quote where she talks about it some before someone comes in telling me that Hillary is unimpeachably awesome pro-choice keeping it :

“I have been on record in favor of a late-pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother,” she said at the primary debate.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/trump-clinton-late-term-abortion

[Dickie Dee]

   

[benjipwns]

my boy chris being brave and candid

https://twitter.com/shujaxhaider/status/926197540160200704

[benjipwns]

[kingv]

It was pretty obvious during the primary that the DNC and it’s allies were lining up to curry favor with the “inevitable” Hillary Clinton well before the Primary even really started.

The Democratic Party will be much healthier with her influence waning.

It’s not even that she’s a terrible politician or person, but that she had outsized influence on the party that was unearned and based more on nepotism and inside baseball than it was on her Political skills (either in legislative accomplishments or campaigning savvy).

Things like NARAL endorsing her over Bernie make no sense when you look at their historical positions on abortion, other than as an attempt to curry favor with the candidate you think will win.

[warcock]

meh, dgaf the manifestation from years of inertia that brought forth the political structure as it was by the time of the election wasn't going to change because a decent leftist alternative ran in the democratic primary. What really pisses me off still, approx. 1 year post fact, is the actual proceedings that took place. I sat on the sidelines pretty much... but if only moderates and center leftist would of just stopped parading as actual progressives/social democrats I would not be harboring any resentment anymore. Instead of voicing their actual positions they avoided it like it was some kind of stigma.... like why? What country do you think this is?  Viability is one thing, but this fucking incrementalist bullshit... As if France took like 5 decades of incremental policy to get their healthcare system going... No fuck that like lets bring this closer to home(obvs cause this country is too big) in 1912 there was no federal income tax yet in 1913 federal income tax was a thing!  Yes big changes will create disruptions in the market and there will be collateral damage, but no these will not be existential threats and in fact will pay off over the long haul. It was as clear as day on neogaf(rip 2004???-2017) in one of the threads about the bernie tax proposals, OMGZ 40 percent tax rates!?!?!?!, yo it's cool i get it this is America, yall don't like the gov't making your discretionary income smaller, buying things is pretty cool, just fucking own up to it.  The narrative should have been, the actual fucking lefties band together behind bernie when the inevitable comes around and YASSSS QUEEEN!!111 wins the nom. we join hands and trundle along this mediocre thing we had going on cause complexity(which is largely what happened anyways).  Fuck these assholes, i'm so out and never want to be seen with them.  *exhales*  Well i got that off my chest. 

[Nola]

Three House Republicans on Friday moved to pressure special counsel Robert Mueller to resign over what they contend are “obvious conflicts of interest,” the latest instance of rising GOP resistance to his Russia probe.

Reps. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) and Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), introduced a measure that, while nonbinding, would put the House on record describing Mueller, a former FBI director, as unfit to lead the probe because of his relationship with James Comey, his successor at the bureau.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/03/house-republicans-robert-mueller-resignation-244517?lo=ap_a1

 

[thisismyusername]

This triggers the Jack Remington.

But is anyone besides Jack Remington surprised? Even Bernie was questioning them scheduling the debates during the primary on hours/days that most Americans would be out drinking or watching sports.

In otherwords: Hillary retire bitch (which she is doing ).

[thehunter116]

Actually it's more relevant that Northam is apparently fucking up an open court layup.

Hillary Clinton v2.

[warcock]

I'm not surprised, I just believe Warren is incorrect.

It doesn't matter though. Mueller Time is the much more relevant topic today.

 

[Valhelm]

best takes I've seen come from R.L. Stephens, check out this thread --

https://twitter.com/RLisDead/status/926129414269743105

yeah, DNC collusion helped Hillary beat Bernie, but he still lost by several million votes. Left-wing candidates do need to run smarter campaigns to win in the future and blaming Bernie's loss on Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is as bad as blaming Hillary's loss entirely on Putin

[Valhelm]

uh I take it you haven't read any of the coverage on this at all?

A lot of Democratic officials worked very hard to fuck over Bernie because they're terrified of left-wing policies. However, these officials didn't force Bernie fans to stay home during the NY or CA primaries

[etiolate]

Interesting take I saw: Because Obama left the DNC cupboard bare, they had to take Clinton money and her money making machine to run the Prez election, meaning an agreement was made ahead of time that left Biden out of the running. Bernie was an unintentional sacrifice.

Discuss among yourselves.

[warcock]

lol incorrigible little bitches. I fucking...   

[Phoenix Dark]

wake me up when a Bernie fan can explain how he would have won under "fair" circumstances while completely writing off the fucking south. He lost, the end. Was Hillary playing more home games than Bernie? I guess. Still lost and it wasn't fucking close.

[H.I.V.E.]

I think Bernie would have won the election guys.

[kingv]

I think Bernie would have won the election guys.

Literally anyone should have been able to beat Trump. There’s nothing particularly special about Bernie, just Hillary ran that bad of a campaign and is that poorly liked in general.

Also, how the fuck is the race in VA this close? Like what did Northam do to suck so bad that he’s close when his opponent is trump level bad?