US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Mupepe]

Jesus fucking Christ, James.  I hope you're trolling.  I'm applying the context of your last post on the subject where you basically said these people shouldn't have an equal voice.

[Great Rumbler]

Rick Perry for Secretary of Energy. He's replacing someone who has a PhD in theoretical physics. 

Also:

The former Texas governor sits on two corporate boards - one of them is Energy Transfer Partners - and that may present a confirmation issue. Energy Transfer Partners has a subsidiary known as Dakota Access LLC, which is attempting to build the Dakota Access Pipeline.

Sure, why not!

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Energy. The third agency was Energy.

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[I'm a Puppy!]

Jesus fucking Christ, James.  I hope you're trolling.  I'm applying the context of your last post on the subject where you basically said these people shouldn't have an equal voice.

I don't see a problem with weighting votes by IQ. It's needed to overcome the swathes of stupid people

[VomKriege]

[AdmiralViscen]

"I’m not really a fan of his policies, but I like the fact that he gave me health insurance. "
"Well … we liked him because he just seemed to be a businessman. We're in a small, rural area where there's not a lot of businesses right now going on, and so we can't really have anything else shut down, because it affects everybody."
"I'm hoping that they don't, ’cause, I mean, what would they do then? Would this go away? I mean, I mean, will the insurance? It will go away?'
http://www.vox.com/2016/12/13/13901874/obamacare-trump-voter-health-insurance-repeal

As I said, its time to take a long hard look at the fact that some people are simply low IQ, and the Democrats have not approached them correctly.

Someone with an IQ of 75 cannot process policy. They do not understand nuance. They cannot analyze something critically or see beyond the immediate.

"Business good, me like"

Thats it. And thats why Trump won. He spoke at a 3rd grade level. "He tells it like it is" because they understand the words coming out of his mouth

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The even better part is where she said she liked Trump because he wouldn't be overly concerned with rich people in New York

I hope they follow up on the article in a year or two when her husband is dead and she's filed for bankruptcy

[Mupepe]

Jesus fucking Christ, James.  I hope you're trolling.  I'm applying the context of your last post on the subject where you basically said these people shouldn't have an equal voice.

I don't see a problem with weighting votes by IQ. It's needed to overcome the swathes of stupid people

Glen Shinobi will basically decide the entire election by himself 

[zomgee]

Four years is a really long time.

[benjipwns]

I don't see a problem with weighting votes by IQ. It's needed to overcome the swathes of stupid people

IQ tests are racially and culturally biased. But I figure you knew that and this is just your latest Rethuglican minority voter suppression effort.

You people disgust me almost as much as the low IQ.

[james]

Jesus fucking Christ, James.  I hope you're trolling.  I'm applying the context of your last post on the subject where you basically said these people shouldn't have an equal voice.

Why should they?

If the NBA is meeting to discuss changes to basketball rules, they dont invite people in who know nothing about the sport.

Why should we invite these people into a conversation on politics if they are incapable of following the conversation?

[james]

Look, I agree there will be disagreement on the medium term plan to solve the issue.

Short term is easy - Democrats need to cater to the lowest common denominator. Remember how Scott Brown got elected because he had a truck? GW was the kind of guy youd want to have a beer with?

Run a Peter Griffin candidate. Win.

Now, with power, you can move towards the medium term plan, which is restricted these people's ability to vote. Because both the dems and republicans are corporatists, the most likely scenario is having a company like the College Board (the SAT people) design and administer a test that you take at 18 and in turn receive a voting voucher. Perhaps something like a professional license where you have to keep up credits over time to continue to receive voting vouchers. Obviously this addresses Benjis concerns about the IQ system, as a system can be designed taking into account modern science so there are no racial biases. 

The long term plan is the easy one again. To help preserve the environment, we require all 15 year old women to get IUDs, and all 15 year old men to get a reversible vasectomy. Once they decide to have an offspring, they can pay a nominal fee to be granted a birthing license. Those who do not spawn get additional voting vouchers, and can use those vouchers to vote in progressive ideas such as higher birthing license fees.

20 years and the country and planet are saved.

[Samson Manhug]

Dmitri Alperovitch on his firm catching Russian hackers infiltrating the DNC networks, confirms they were GRU.

[Joe Molotov]

The NBA is not a democracy tho, iirc. If it is, who keeps voting for the 76ers?

[james]

The NBA is not a democracy tho, iirc. If it is, who keeps voting for the 76ers?

Democracy was a mistake.

Animal Farm is the playbook the democrats need to follow. The smart must trick the feeble for their own good. For the good of everyone.

[Nola]

James, lucking out and being indoctrinated on the right side of history doesn't make one intelligent.

But sorry, I'll have to finish this later. I need to take a break because me and my fellow millennial friends are on our way to pick up some non-gmo food (because GMO are evil) to bring to our crying friend who just got lectured by her doctor about not wanting to vaccinate her kid(what do doctors know?). Then we are on our way to a small gathering of people that are trying to rally up a protest because the CIA just said the Russians hacked voting machines and gave the election to Trump. I think it's gonna work because my friend who heads a PETA branch doubles in astrology and he said the stars are in our favor on winning the hearts of the electoral college to overturn their votes.

[Rufus]

James, lucking out and being indoctrinated on the right side of history doesn't make one intelligent.

But sorry, I'll have to finish this later. I need to take a break because me and my fellow millennial friends are on our way to pick up some non-gmo food (because GMO are evil) to bring to our crying friend who just got lectured by her doctor about not wanting to vaccinate her kid(what do doctors know?). Then we are on our way to a small gathering of people that are trying to rally up a protest because the CIA just said the Russians hacked voting machines and gave the election to Trump. I think it's gonna work because my friend who heads a PETA branch doubles in astrology and he said the stars are in our favor on winning the hearts of the electoral college to overturn their votes.

Nassim Taleb, is it you?

The NBA is not a democracy tho, iirc. If it is, who keeps voting for the 76ers?

Democracy was a mistake.

Animal Farm is the playbook the democrats need to follow. The smart must trick the feeble for their own good. For the good of everyone.

Isn't that what's already happening? Assuming a cynical perspective. The other side just did it better.

[Rufus]

Dmitri Alperovitch on his firm catching Russian hackers infiltrating the DNC networks, confirms they were GRU.

Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims “bullshit”, adding: “They are absolutely making it up.”

“I know who leaked them,” Murray said. “I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.

“If what the CIA are saying is true, and the CIA’s statement refers to people who are known to be linked to the Russian state, they would have arrested someone if it was someone inside the United States.

“America has not been shy about arresting whistleblowers and it’s not been shy about extraditing hackers. They plainly have no knowledge whatsoever.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/10/cia-concludes-russia-interfered-to-help-trump-win-election-report

He said she said, I know, but why the hell not. 

[james]

Isn't that what's already happening? Assuming a cynical perspective. The other side just did it better.

Correct, thats what I am saying.

The GOP has mastered manipulation of those who are not endowed with mental prowess. Unfortunately, they've done this by having the dumb leading the dumb. Trump is not some master politician who reads PhD dissertations in the evening after speaking at the 3rd grade level during the day. He just fell into success thanks to the massive hole created by the liberal elite.

Liberals are too busy tripping over themselves to shout about inclusion and being politically correct to properly identify that not everyone is on the same mental level, and thus should not be treated the same. They're so far up their ivory bubble they dont realize that their circle of peers does not represent the average American. You dont win elections by providing a 29 point nuanced policy planning.

Fuck, look at the idiots saying Warren should run and would win. ABSOLUTELY NOT.

You win by screaming jeeeeeerbs the loudest.

Hillary had it somewhat correct with her private and public stuff.

Public: We will make jeeeeeerbs!
Private: 29 point policy plan.

Thats how you win.

Remember, the people liked Rick Perry before he got his 'I am smart" glasses.

James, lucking out and being indoctrinated on the right side of history doesn't make one intelligent.

But sorry, I'll have to finish this later. I need to take a break because me and my fellow millennial friends are on our way to pick up some non-gmo food (because GMO are evil) to bring to our crying friend who just got lectured by her doctor about not wanting to vaccinate her kid(what do doctors know?). Then we are on our way to a small gathering of people that are trying to rally up a protest because the CIA just said the Russians hacked voting machines and gave the election to Trump. I think it's gonna work because my friend who heads a PETA branch doubles in astrology and he said the stars are in our favor on winning the hearts of the electoral college to overturn their votes.

I never said all liberals are smart. There are plenty of dumb people on both sides.

[seagrams hotsauce]

The NBA is not a democracy tho, iirc

Tell that to Chris Paul

[Joe Molotov]

Dmitri Alperovitch on his firm catching Russian hackers infiltrating the DNC networks, confirms they were GRU.

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Someone's gotta stand up to the experts.

It's worked out pretty well for the oil companies.

[Boredfrom]

The NBA is not a democracy tho, iirc. If it is, who keeps voting for the 76ers?

Democracy was a mistake.

Animal Farm is the playbook the democrats need to follow. The smart must trick the feeble for their own good. For the good of everyone.

I dont think that was the point of Animal Farm, at all.

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Specially if you think you are in the "good side"

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If anything, being cynical about politics should not mean be an outright misanthropist.

[james]

The NBA is not a democracy tho, iirc. If it is, who keeps voting for the 76ers?

Democracy was a mistake.

Animal Farm is the playbook the democrats need to follow. The smart must trick the feeble for their own good. For the good of everyone.

I dont think that was the point of Animal Farm, at all.

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Specially if you think you are in the "good side"

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Animal Farm is dystopian if the leadership council is Stalin and friends.

Animal Farm is a model for the future if your leadership council is Bill Gates and friends.

Lets just put policies in place that will limit mass murderers and its clear sailing.

[Boredfrom]

The NBA is not a democracy tho, iirc. If it is, who keeps voting for the 76ers?

Democracy was a mistake.

Animal Farm is the playbook the democrats need to follow. The smart must trick the feeble for their own good. For the good of everyone.

I dont think that was the point of Animal Farm, at all.

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Specially if you think you are in the "good side"

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Animal Farm is dystopian if the leadership council is Stalin and friends.

Animal Farm is a model for the future if your leadership council is Bill Gates and friends.

Lets just put policies in place that will limit mass murderers and its clear sailing.

It was about Russian Communism.

[benjipwns]

Three Six Eight generations of imbeciles are enough.

[james]

It was about Russian Communism.

Bro I know what AF is about, Ive read it like 8 times.

It has valuable lessons for a better future.

[Samson Manhug]

Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims “bullshit”, adding: “They are absolutely making it up.”

“I know who leaked them,” Murray said. “I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.

“If what the CIA are saying is true, and the CIA’s statement refers to people who are known to be linked to the Russian state, they would have arrested someone if it was someone inside the United States.

“America has not been shy about arresting whistleblowers and it’s not been shy about extraditing hackers. They plainly have no knowledge whatsoever.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/10/cia-concludes-russia-interfered-to-help-trump-win-election-report

He said she said, I know, but why the hell not. 

If he knows the leaker, that's a pretty big deal. Interesting () this angle hasn't been covered before The second sentence is a red herring, though. Every intel agency and the private company that monitored DNC's networks say it was the Russian government, not people in the US.

[Boredfrom]

It was about Russian Communism.

Bro I know what AF is about, Ive read it like 8 times.

It has valuable lessons for a better future.

Sorry if I misunderstood but I dunno if you were sarcastic about the "lets use the same tactics to oppose the GOP" stuff.

[Samson Manhug]

So who is this Craig Murray guy anyway?

Oh, fired from his ambassador position. Oh, gave an interview to Alex Jones in 2006. Oh, denied entry into the United States in 2016. Oh.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Murray

[Rufus]

I thought "a close associate of Assange" was damning enough.

[benjipwns]

In August, when the Trump campaign received its first intelligence briefing, Mr. Flynn was so combative with the briefers that another person in the room had to urge him to settle down, according to a person familiar with the episode who was told about it in confidence.

[Steve Contra]

There's been quite a lot of speculation that Flynn was let go not entirely because of his stance on Iran, but because he's mentally unstable.

[Boredfrom]

I dont think this is untrue but reporting it as "a friend of a friend" is not exactly good.

[james]

It was about Russian Communism.

Bro I know what AF is about, Ive read it like 8 times.

It has valuable lessons for a better future.

Sorry if I misunderstood but I dunno if you were sarcastic about the "lets use the same tactics to oppose the GOP" stuff.

No sarcasm.

The goal is to win elections, not a "fair play" trophy

[etiolate]

The NBA is not a democracy tho, iirc. If it is, who keeps voting for the 76ers?

Democracy was a mistake.

Animal Farm is the playbook the democrats need to follow. The smart must trick the feeble for their own good. For the good of everyone.

thanks Rittenhaus

[james]

The NBA is not a democracy tho, iirc. If it is, who keeps voting for the 76ers?

Democracy was a mistake.

Animal Farm is the playbook the democrats need to follow. The smart must trick the feeble for their own good. For the good of everyone.

thanks Rittenhaus

Im not familiar with?

[james]

Search "Did the Holocaust happen" on Google.

[Samson Manhug]

I dont think this is untrue but reporting it as "a friend of a friend" is not exactly good.

True, but with anything having to do with intelligence you're not going to get a named source. Especially something as small as a presidential intelligence briefing—if even someone in the room came forward unnamed it would be pretty easy to figure out who it was and they'd lose their job. So if you want to know something classified, either wait 30 years or believe hearsay.

[VomKriege]

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1422KP?il=0

Vote discrepancies in Detroit ?

[james]

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1422KP?il=0

Vote discrepancies in Detroit ?

You know when you try and buy candy in a vending machine and the machine sucks in yuor dollar and then mysteriously spits it out?

Thats what the ballot machines were doing. So 5 attempts to slide that baby in means 5 machine counts vs 1 paper ballot

[Samson Manhug]

https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/808765131689775105

[VomKriege]

Reading the original sources there's no indication of how many votes are concerned. Could be nothing much.

[Samson Manhug]

The story linked above by David Sanger is pretty incredible. The IT contractor in charge of the DNC's network security got a phone call from the FBI alerting them their network was compromised and the poor guy didn't even believe it was the FBI. The SA called back several times but the DNC basically ignored him.

In November, Special Agent Hawkins called with more ominous news. A D.N.C. computer was “calling home, where home meant Russia,” Mr. Tamene’s memo says, referring to software sending information to Moscow. “SA Hawkins added that the F.B.I. thinks that this calling home behavior could be the result of a state-sponsored attack.”

Then that "legitimate" typo gave his email password to the Russians. Our democracy is dependent on baby boomers' understanding of technology and how well younger people can explain it to them.

[Boredfrom]

It was about Russian Communism.

Bro I know what AF is about, Ive read it like 8 times.

It has valuable lessons for a better future.

Sorry if I misunderstood but I dunno if you were sarcastic about the "lets use the same tactics to oppose the GOP" stuff.

No sarcasm.

The goal is to win elections, not a "fair play" trophy

Oh, wow.

Orwell would have been impressed by your double think.

[Samson Manhug]

Attribution, as the skill of identifying a cyberattacker is known, is more art than science. It is often impossible to name an attacker with absolute certainty. But over time, by accumulating a reference library of hacking techniques and targets, it is possible to spot repeat offenders. Fancy Bear, for instance, has gone after military and political targets in Ukraine and Georgia, and at NATO installations.

That largely rules out cybercriminals and most countries, Mr. Alperovitch said. “There’s no plausible actor that has an interest in all those victims other than Russia,” he said. Another clue: The Russian hacking groups tended to be active during working hours in the Moscow time zone.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html

FAKE NEWS

[etiolate]

The NBA is not a democracy tho, iirc. If it is, who keeps voting for the 76ers?

Democracy was a mistake.

Animal Farm is the playbook the democrats need to follow. The smart must trick the feeble for their own good. For the good of everyone.

thanks Rittenhaus

Im not familiar with?

There's this little time traveling show called Timeless running right now. Like Sliders but time travel, basically. Last night the evil villian's mentality was explained via words like yours. Basically, that democracy is a bad illusion and lesser people need to be controlled. Only the top should breed and blacks be slaves, peasants be kept peasants. The evil organization/villian is called Rittenhaus.

I didn't expect you to get the reference, but it was just creepy how alike the two things were.

[VomKriege]

The Foreign Policy podcast made the point that General Mattis, General Kelly (Homeland Security) and the head of the Joint Staff are all Marines and on top of that all from the same division. Beyond the potential issues of tribalism among the Armed Forces (or a faction junta), it also means they may have overlapping networks instead of complimentary in a cabinet already cursed with very little experience.

[james]

No sarcasm.

The goal is to win elections, not a "fair play" trophy

Oh, wow.

Orwell would have been impressed by your double think.

How would Orwell feel about Trump and his administration?

They're the farmers we the pigs need to replace.

Im not familiar with?

There's this little time traveling show called Timeless running right now. Like Sliders but time travel, basically. Last night the evil villian's mentality was explained via words like yours. Basically, that democracy is a bad illusion and lesser people need to be controlled. Only the top should breed and blacks be slaves, peasants be kept peasants. The evil organization/villian is called Rittenhaus.

I didn't expect you to get the reference, but it was just creepy how alike the two things were.

Now hold on there, I didnt say anything about race, just IQ.

Im a scholar not a nazi

[Boredfrom]

No sarcasm.

The goal is to win elections, not a "fair play" trophy

Oh, wow.

Orwell would have been impressed by your double think.

How would Orwell feel about Trump and his administration?

They're the farmers we the pigs need to replace.

Im not familiar with?

There's this little time traveling show called Timeless running right now. Like Sliders but time travel, basically. Last night the evil villian's mentality was explained via words like yours. Basically, that democracy is a bad illusion and lesser people need to be controlled. Only the top should breed and blacks be slaves, peasants be kept peasants. The evil organization/villian is called Rittenhaus.

I didn't expect you to get the reference, but it was just creepy how alike the two things were.

Now hold on there, I didnt say anything about race, just IQ.

Im a scholar not a nazi

At this point it feels like you are trolling.

[james]

At this point it feels like you are trolling.

I see what side of the revolution youll be on

[Syph]

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https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/808767333065981956
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/808768768906235908
https://twitter.com/kanyewest/status/808769046208532484

[Madrun Badrun]

BRB, I want some change, gonna ring up Trump. 

[VomKriege]

Who needs the NAACP when we got Kanye with a direct line ?

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1422TT?il=0

What's the idea here ? Is the Obama administration taking advantage of the confusion generated by Trump to sneak in another arms sale ?
Speaking of arms sale, some exports to Saudi Arabia are temporarily stopped.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1421UK?il=0

[Syph]

BRB, I want some change, gonna ring up Trump.

meet me in the lobby
and make sure your hair is dyed

[etiolate]

There's probably some sort of Trump logic that states Trump has a higher chance of knowing who "Arvie from the bore" is than he has a chance of knowing the finance head of Portugal.

[Madrun Badrun]

Cause I'm actually important?  Portugal should really just be a province of Spain anyways and everyone knows it. 

[Boredfrom]

Is not like Trump cares outside of ego measuring. He can say with a straight face that Mexico is going to pay the wall after meeting the Mexican president and saying how awesome he was or saying for months that he wants to get HRC in jail while saying she suffered enough after winning the election.

[chronovore]

Four years is a really long time.

[james]

So I met this girl today. Half southern black, half dominican. Good looking. 23. College educated.




Trump supporter.

I noped out of there faster than Adam when the CTR checks stopped coming in

[Human Snorenado]

It's funny that Russia interfering in the election to help Trump is the only conspiracy theory Alex Jones doesn't believe.

[Phoenix Dark]

The GOAT, on the GOAT

My President Was Black

A history of the first African American White House—and of what came next

[Great Rumbler]

We're gonna miss Obama many times over the next 4 years, that's for sure.