US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[agrajag]

I've said this on gaf before and caught a lot of flack, but significantly raising the mininum wage would kill off so many small businesses. I know in my industry (food service) that is particularly true. Of course mega corporations like Starbucks would be fine. But restaurants? Most of them would close. It is an extremely low profit margin business model. Servers are paid by tips and work on a sub minimum wage rate. And yet it's still difficult to keep a 20% labor cost to keep a 35% labor cost in order to turn a profit. Now all of a sudden dishwashers are making $15 an hour. Cooks that have zero experience are making $15 an hour, when right now that is considered a mid range pay rate (in my state). One could make a Thanos case that there are too many restaurants as it is, and many deserve to close. I wouldn't argue with that, but all yoi'll end up with is Starbucks amd Yum! Brands franchises. Until automation is affordable enough to replace most of the dishwashers and cooks.

[Optimus]

Yeah, I think I'm done trying to engage with you.  You're long gone and you will never be able to contribute to improving this country.  You'll just sit back and be a pissant about how everything and everyone is a part of the   S T A T E  without ever doing anything to make positive changes.

Thank God we have you guys to bring positive changes, look at how great the state of the country is after 8 years of Democratic government. I'm sure the vast inequality, the divisiveness and the general clusterfuck it has become is all Trump's fault. It's not that the orange buffoon is just a symptom of a collapsing middle class, right?

[Brehvolution]

Last I checked, the gop took over the house and senate in 2010 and sat on their thumbs except for 60 obamacare repeal votes. And since congress makes the laws and budgets, I don't really see 8 years of Democratic government.

I see more like 5-6 year of economic sabotage with a Democratic president.

[Nola]

While you definitely have a point about the alt-right subverting the meaning of certain terms it's still actually refreshing to have a mainstream group in this goddamn country that despises the establishment, maybe that will eventually evolve to something useful. The deep state for the record is a fact and I don't give a flying fuck if Putin or fucking Stalin was using the term.

ACA was basically the Heritage Foundations's plan to keep the HMO's pockets full while saving a collapsing health care system. It's a solution but not a solution for the people or the public, it's solution for the rich fucks that exploit human misery and suffering, it's a solution for health care "providers". Obama had  supermajority for 6 months, this was a classic Democratic tactic where they pretend to be incompetent when they're even near progressive legislation but go full-on authoritarian when it's time to support war, "free" trade agreements, and neoliberal policy in general.

My hatred for social justice warriors and modern feministm is perfectly justified. They consistently ignore scientific facts, numbers and logic to create unnecessary animosity amongst the middle class. Tell me which one of the great feminist causes you support? Manspreading, the wage gap myth, the importance of made up pronouns, the fetishization of Islam, the pink tax bullshit, sexist videogame characters, their rape hysteria even though all statistics (actual statistics not statistics made up by gender studies lunatics) show that numbers are decreasing significantly, microaggressions, cultural appropriation, sexist movies? Which ones?

The fact that I happen to agree once in a while with the alt-right and very rarely with liberals only indicates how pro-status quo liberals have become. You literally accuse people who don't trust media controlled by the ruling class of being Russian shills. And you expect me to be on your side? Never.

And Wolf Blitzer is a moron that says what he was told to say like most corporate media "journalists".

And again, there is nothing anti-establishment about the alt-right in the ways you claim to really care(unless you are going to finally admit that what you like about the alt-right is the identity stuff and that is leading to all this apologetics). "Drain the swamp" is literally a phrase made famous from Mussolini. It is radicalization, tribalism, and nativism using the underlying frustration with the political system as a gasoline to serve self-interests. But as has already been pointed out to you, neither the followers nor its leader has any real concern about addressing problems in the way you claim to have issues with the establishment from a leftist perspective. They are clearly just cult of personality worshippers. And I didn't call you a Russian shill, I pointed out how you shilled for Russian propaganda because you are so obsessed with this narrative of yours that you let motivated reasoning take you to a place of retweeting Russian propaganda and believing it blindly. And that ironically it was propaganda embodying everything you used that clip to accuse robbed Jeaopardy champion Wolf Blitzer and CNN of.

The ACA was not the baby of the Heritage foundation. It was the baby of Switzerland. Which is what Heritage initially took some cues from in there notably different version and Jonathan Gruber, who is often framed as one of the leading architects on the legislation, took many cues from as well. Switzerland, not Heritage, is where your origin story mostly belongs. Which I will remind you is a UHC country. It's not necessarily my ideal version of UHC, but it gets the job done. As for him having a super majority for 6 months. Are we just forgetting the Democrats inherited the largest recession since the Great Depression? And you can't have it both ways, you can't simultaneously play ignorant to blame Democrats for having a super majority and not passing better healthcare, while acknowledging good and well that the super majority was made up of many non-progressives that were never going to get on board with single-payer or true Switzerland style reform.

As for the rest of that gobbledygook, I think you just proved my point about letting identity override policy. Your entire diatribe is one giant in-group/out-group framing and in your subsequent post you did EXACTLY what I said I suspected you were doing. You find this singular common cause on these group identity issues and you have literally run head first into apologetics to justify that behavior and that alliance.

[curly]

yeesh libertarians are so weird. at least you're a lot less of a shithead about it than most of em though

I'm left leaning. I believe in high taxes, national programs, public sector, unions (...sometimes), etc. But the living wage discussion is unscientific. It's a feel good proclamation, not a real attempt to reconcile the worth of labor with the pulverizing experience that is poverty.

"Unscientific"

Pls disabuse yourself from the econ 101 bullshit, value is a socially determined concept not some law of the universe

[Nola]

There are a lot of jobs which are really worthless. Starbucks employees come to mind. I don't mind raising the minimum wage (merely believing in a minimum wage at all implies you should be willing to raise it) but it's a balancing act of making sure there are enough jobs for everyone who truly has no skills but is still an abled body person willing to work. A corollary of this is that the right way to raise the minimum wage is to invest very heavily in education (and reeducation) and track the number of truly unskilled people. The farther down it goes, the higher the minimum wage can be.

I just remember this debate from two years ago and the consensus among left leaning economists seemed to be that $12.50 was good but $15 might be too high. I have no frame of reference for this other than I make $7.35 so I couldn't imagine a world where the federal minimum goes up to $12.50 and my job isn't the very first to go.

I mean clearly they have worth otherwise they wouldn't exist. The question is would they still exist if the wage floor was raised? Seems based on evidence and places where the wage is much higher they would. People still want expensive mochas and someone has to make them. They can get away with not paying a lot, but it seems retail work and baristas are an integral part of Starbucks revenue generation, no?

Though shocks to wages are a different story IMO. If you suddenly have to pay $15 when you were paying $8, yeah, things can and probably will get dicey.

EDIT: To expand further I think there are often two different questions that get bundled together when we discuss the minimum wage and they really need to be separated. 1.) Is the economy capable of sustaining a $15 minimum wage while keeping inflation and employment in check? 2.) Can the economy sustain a quick shift to a $15 minimum wage without creating a notable shock? On the first, I think the answer is a soft yes, on number 2, I think the answer is a fairly solid no. But I think reconciling those two things can actually get you to find common ground between the moderate wing that is worried about 2, and the Bernie wing that is just looking at number 1. We probably can get to $15 an hour, but it almost certainly needs to be fairly gradual. Far more gradual than what many want.

[agrajag]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/feds-tapped-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-s-phones-n871011

Well, Cohen is profoundly fucked. If they had his phones tapped before the raids were authorized it means they have some solid, bulletproof shit on him.

[Nola]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/feds-tapped-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-s-phones-n871011

Well, Cohen is profoundly fucked. If they had his phones tapped before the raids were authorized it means they have some solid, bulletproof shit on him.

And given how long ago it seems Mueller made this hand off, those wiretaps could of been going on for quite a while.

Also doesn't help that Trump and Giuliani have apparently decided to moonlight as unpaid prosecutors on Cohen's case.

[Boogie]

Wiretaps   

Talking on the phone and sending basic text messages when doing illegal shit in 2018 tho.

[agrajag]

Wiretaps   

Talking on the phone and sending basic text messages when doing illegal shit in 2018 tho.

And Trump called him after the raid 

[Mandark]

Cohen is the dumbest possible version of Michael Clayton.

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/Nicole_Lafond/status/992051778958057474

[kingv]

I'm here trying to start a good faith discussion about whether a living wage is reasonable and Optimus is filling the page with unlimited distinguished mentally-challenged. Eat your own shit and die of dysentery.

I think you either have to have better social safety net supported by taxes, or have a living wage. You can probably skin the cat multiple different ways, but American elites have mostly made the choice to have neither, and instead have a permanent underclass of people that will always be fucked from both sides.

If I were a company, I would want the freedom to pay the living wage and gain some shit on running shit efficiently, but the current situation is just pure bullshit. I’m comfortably making six figures and still think it’s bullshit.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://twitter.com/Nicole_Lafond/status/992051778958057474

Jared is going to jail.

All that interview last night showed is that they're banking on the Supreme Court agreeing that the President doesn't have to answer a subpoena while in office. Bold move, let's see how it plays out.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/Nicole_Lafond/status/992051778958057474

"A great piece of ass like Ivanka? Come on."

[Nola]

Ok, so I just watched the Hannity interview. Here is the new question I have, Stormy was paid 130k, McDougal was paid 150k.....But Giuliani claimed that there were 460k worth of reimbursements paid to Cohen.


I'm no mathematician, but the numbers don't add up. There appears to be a missing payment somewhere here. 

[Joe Molotov]

Ok, so I just watched the Hannity interview. Here is the new question I have, Stormy was paid 130k, McDougal was paid 150k.....But Giuliani claimed that there were 460k worth of reimbursements paid to Cohen.


I'm no mathematician, but the numbers don't add up. There appears to be a missing payment somewhere here. 

You're missing what's right in front of your face.

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[Brehvolution]

Is that Rudy in drag? 

[Oblivion]

So....Optimus is basically Roseanne, right?

[Joe Molotov]

Is that Rudy in drag? 

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/03/03/nyregion/jaws-drop-as-giuliani-steals-show-in-heels.html?_r=0

[Optimus]

And again, there is nothing anti-establishment about the alt-right in the ways you claim to really care(unless you are going to finally admit that what you like about the alt-right is the identity stuff and that is leading to all this apologetics). "Drain the swamp" is literally a phrase made famous from Mussolini. It is radicalization, tribalism, and nativism using the underlying frustration with the political system as a gasoline to serve self-interests. But as has already been pointed out to you, neither the followers nor its leader has any real concern about addressing problems in the way you claim to have issues with the establishment from a leftist perspective. They are clearly just cult of personality worshippers. And I didn't call you a Russian shill, I pointed out how you shilled for Russian propaganda because you are so obsessed with this narrative of yours that you let motivated reasoning take you to a place of retweeting Russian propaganda and believing it blindly. And that ironically it was propaganda embodying everything you used that clip to accuse robbed Jeaopardy champion Wolf Blitzer and CNN of.

The ACA was not the baby of the Heritage foundation. It was the baby of Switzerland. Which is what Heritage initially took some cues from in there notably different version and Jonathan Gruber, who is often framed as one of the leading architects on the legislation, took many cues from as well. Switzerland, not Heritage, is where your origin story mostly belongs. Which I will remind you is a UHC country. It's not necessarily my ideal version of UHC, but it gets the job done. As for him having a super majority for 6 months. Are we just forgetting the Democrats inherited the largest recession since the Great Depression? And you can't have it both ways, you can't simultaneously play ignorant to blame Democrats for having a super majority and not passing better healthcare, while acknowledging good and well that the super majority was made up of many non-progressives that were never going to get on board with single-payer or true Switzerland style reform.

As for the rest of that gobbledygook, I think you just proved my point about letting identity override policy. Your entire diatribe is one giant in-group/out-group framing and in your subsequent post you did EXACTLY what I said I suspected you were doing. You find this singular common cause on these group identity issues and you have literally run head first into apologetics to justify that behavior and that alliance.

My entire diatribe is an explanation to out of touch liberals in this forum on how working class people are siding with the alt-right. I've met a shitload of people like this and you geniuses keep burying your head in the sand hoping it'll all go away if you just find the right accusation against them instead of doing something about the out of control identity politics distinguished mentally-challenged fellows. And no, this isn't exactly a cult of personality worshippers, a large portion of them turned against Trump the moment he mentioned bombings in Syria, half the fucking comments on the_donald were deleted. If that's a cult of personality what are you fucking idiots that can't even acknowledge Obama's war crimes and his admin's role in Syria, Libya and the formation of ISIS? If it's a cult of personality the alt-right will disappear when Trump is gone, right? OK, we'll see.

At the end of the day the alt-right is driven by identity politics contrarianism while the people who benefit from it make sure to attach rightwing economic principles. It's  the perfect honey trap for angry middle class people including younger generations who want to direct their frustration for their shitty lives caused by a fucked up society somewhere. The problem with you people is that every time someone is trying to make sense of the alt-right to you without presenting them as the Hitler you think they are you think they're supporting them so discussion is almost impossible. Let me make this clear to you, I don't fucking like rightwingers and never did, but I'm not gonna sit here and listen to you tell fairy tales about the new Hitlers that emerged because RACISM! SEXISM! BIGOT!!!!!

And I didn't shill for Russian propaganda, I offered the alternative narrate to the Western one you distinguished mentally-challenged fellows were swallowing without any objection despite the fact that that narrative has been proven manufactured a million fucking times. As for ACA I don't give shit if it's was in Switzerland first, Switzerland is a filthy rich country that from the little I read has a pretty shitty health care system if you're not rich: https://www.thelocal.ch/20171117/thousands-in-switzerland-are-blacklisted-for-not-playing-health-insurance-premiums

No wonder the scumbags of the Heritage Foundation supported it.

[Phoenix Dark]

[zomgee]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pamela-anderson-believes-wikileaks-apos-171350479.html

Pamela Anderson is opening up about her relationship with Julian Assange — and why she’s concerned about the safety of the controversial WikiLeaks founder.

In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter published Wednesday, the 50-year-old Baywatch star recalled first meeting Assange “years ago” through punk designer Vivienne Westwood.

They’ve remained close since, with romance rumors about the two even swirling amid constant sightings of Anderson at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London. Assange has taken refuge there for the past six years, claiming political asylum in order to avoid facing extradition to Sweden over a rape allegation he has long refuted. The hacker is also wanted by the United States for espionage charges in relation to WikiLeaks’ publication of classified information.

someone please explain the world to me

[Great Rumbler]

someone please explain the world to me

Rich/famous/beautiful people aren't any better than the average person, and some of them are considerably worse. There you go.

[Brehvolution]

Pam sure can pick 'em.

[seagrams hotsauce]

From Tommy to Kid Rock to this. Pam sure is skilled at trading down

[Joe Molotov]

From Tommy to Kid Rock to this. Pam sure is skilled at trading down

Tommy Lee had an anaconda, I wonder if Assange is packing.

[CatsCatsCats]

Deep dick state

[Nola]

My entire diatribe is an explanation to out of touch liberals in this forum on how working class people are siding with the alt-right. I've met a shitload of people like this and you geniuses keep burying your head in the sand hoping it'll all go away if you just find the right accusation against them instead of doing something about the out of control identity politics distinguished mentally-challenged fellows. And no, this isn't exactly a cult of personality worshippers, a large portion of them turned against Trump the moment he mentioned bombings in Syria, half the fucking comments on the_donald were deleted. If that's a cult of personality what are you fucking idiots that can't even acknowledge Obama's war crimes and his admin's role in Syria, Libya and the formation of ISIS? If it's a cult of personality the alt-right will disappear when Trump is gone, right? OK, we'll see.

At the end of the day the alt-right is driven by identity politics contrarianism while the people who benefit from it make sure to attach rightwing economic principles. It's  the perfect honey trap for angry middle class people including younger generations who want to direct their frustration for their shitty lives caused by a fucked up society somewhere. The problem with you people is that every time someone is trying to make sense of the alt-right to you without presenting them as the Hitler you think they are you think they're supporting them so discussion is almost impossible. Let me make this clear to you, I don't fucking like rightwingers and never did, but I'm not gonna sit here and listen to you tell fairy tales about the new Hitlers that emerged because RACISM! SEXISM! BIGOT!!!!!

And I didn't shill for Russian propaganda, I offered the alternative narrate to the Western one you distinguished mentally-challenged fellows were swallowing without any objection despite the fact that that narrative has been proven manufactured a million fucking times. As for ACA I don't give shit if it's was in Switzerland first, Switzerland is a filthy rich country that from the little I read has a pretty shitty health care system if you're not rich: https://www.thelocal.ch/20171117/thousands-in-switzerland-are-blacklisted-for-not-playing-health-insurance-premiums

No wonder the scumbags of the Heritage Foundation supported it.

From the little I have read...Now let me offer up some random story I found that I think fits the narrative I want to be true about something I admit I am very ignorant about and make a whole bunch of sweeping generalizations from it.  Pretty good encapsulation of how you operate and how discussions with you tend to go.

 Switzerland has compulsory insurance, an individual mandate if you will. Which is coupled with a non-profit insurance market that is strictly regulated and required to provide a basic set of comprehensive benefits to anyone without discrimination. Where the central government negotiates drug prices with drug companies coupled with a form of all-payer rate setting. However, people that do not have the means to afford insurance outright receive generous subsidies based on a sliding income scale(one far more generous than what America has). It is a universal healthcare country with high QOL healthcare metrics done at a much lower cost than America. Heritage absolutely DID NOT support that. What you link to speaks to conservative reforms that are trying to intensify the necessary punitive aspect of the arrangement toward people with the means but refuse to pay into the system. Total inclusion being something that is necessary for any healthcare system to remain efficient and avoid rampant free-rider problems. The fact you are trying to shovel this into this simple narrative you have created in your head through admitted ignorance to make sweeping generalizations really speaks volumes here.

As for turning on Trump, please provide any evidence of this? Support amongst core Trump voters has barely wavered despite the rampant cronyism, the war mongering, the complete opposite governing on cleaning up the political system, the rich-first tax bill, and the underhanded assault on labor and consumer protections in this country. So far, nothing the alt-right has actually done suggests that they care about those things. Frankly, the more you speak the more it is becoming clear that you are just in it for the sexism and anti-Social Studies Warrior stuff and this is going to be an endless cycle of you attempting to apologize for this group you found common cause because for you it clearly sits at the very top of what you care about in politics. To the point that when push comes to shove you time and time again try and find ways to defend the alt-right and rationalize why you are vilifying the left for things that the right is far, far more guilty of. But you are right in that you have helped explain why so many fall in love with Trump. He plays on that cleavage and as long as he is feeding it a steady diet, his followers willingly go along with all manner of contradictory actions. Like you continue to do.

[Mandark]

"The ACA was originally a GOP plan" is a fun way for leftists to troll centrist Dems for being sellouts and for centrist Dems to troll Republicans for being hypocrites, but it's not really true.

Anyone who's read three conservative op-eds over the last 15-20 years (and you might only need to read one) should be able to recite the actual policies being pushed on the right.

[Great Rumbler]

The Heritage Foundation/GOP health plan was never presented in good faith anyway, it was just used to keep Dems from being able to cleanly float a universal healthcare plan. If they were serious about it, it would have been put forward during a period when they controlled Congress or the White House, but they never did.

[Nola]

"The ACA was originally a GOP plan" is a fun way for leftists to troll centrist Dems for being sellouts and for centrist Dems to troll Republicans for being hypocrites, but it's not really true.

Anyone who's read three conservative op-eds over the last 15-20 years (and you might only need to read one) should be able to recite the actual policies being pushed on the right.

Yeah. The Heritage foundation paper was a fairly one-off paper that certainly shared some very basic concepts with what would eventually become the ACA(like the concept of market exchanges, a ban on pre-existing conditions, and a mandate...None of which are really original concepts) but was really just a convenient counter to use as part of the attack on Hillary Care. And it was clear even then that the party had no real intention of getting behind that sort of reform. Just like in 2010 when they went on to promise for 6 years they had a super secret plan that checked off every poll tested box and once they get total power they would unveil it.

Real Republican healthcare reform seems to just basically be on a range from no state intervention at all with minimal regulatory oversight, to only maintaining a presence through a bastardized form of lemon socialism that keeps the employer subsidies in tact to satisfy their donor class, guts Medicaid, while handing over control of programs like Medicare to private companies to raid.

[etiolate]

Women respond to men who risk themselves for a cause.

[zomgee]

Women respond to men who risk themselves for a cause.

Austin Walker kites a lot of strange.

[thehunter116]

Another day, another Optimus keyboard shart.

[Nola]

https://mobile.twitter.com/elainaplott/status/992122442587017216

 

[Nintex]

"What they did to Manafort. I used to do that to the Mafia. DRUG DEALERS"

"You want Nancy Pelosi running the house? PFFFTTTT"

 

Great comeback for this character. I rate this episode an A+.

[Steve Contra]

I'm surprised Pruitt has lasted this long. Trump doesn't care about ethical lapses but he does care bout his image and the guy has been a near constant embarrassment for weeks now.

[Nintex]

I'm surprised Pruitt has lasted this long. Trump doesn't care about ethical lapses but he does care bout his image and the guy has been a near constant embarrassment for weeks now.

My guess is Trump doesn't have someone in the wings to replace him to destroy the EPA.

[Mandark]

I'm surprised Pruitt has lasted this long. Trump doesn't care about ethical lapses but he does care bout his image and the guy has been a near constant embarrassment for weeks now.

Yeah, from all reports he doesn't like his subordinates running their own grifts.

Purely speculative, but there was a story a while back on Pruitt potentially replacing Sessions and firing Rosenstein/Mueller (he wouldn't need to be confirmed as an interim AG since he was already confirmed to his current position). If that's been floated and Trump's not sure his other cabinet members would pull the trigger, might want to keep him around for that.

[Steve Contra]

There has to be something. I can't imagine a position in the Whitehouse easier to fill than a Republican wanting to dismantle the EPA.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/LPDonovan/status/992156444760989697

Dear Russia plz hack this guy into power, k thx bye.

[Boredfrom]

There has to be something. I can't imagine a position in the Whitehouse easier to fill than a Republican wanting to dismantle the EPA.

Thought I guess few would be as blatant and careless about their own image as Pruitt. Not mention they will need to suck Trump’s balls for all eternity.

[Great Rumbler]

I will tell you this, I will tell you this, when Rudy made the statement, Rudy’s great, but Rudy had just started, and he wasn’t totally familiar with everything. And Rudy, we love Rudy, he’s a special guy. What he really understands is that this is a witch hunt. He understands that probably better than anybody.

[Nintex]

Did Cohen also pay off the judges?

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/992445260524646400

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/992445192379817984

https://twitter.com/business/status/992440447309172736


That wasn't Trump's full Giuliani statement. It gets better

https://twitter.com/WakingLifeDream/status/992443311397847040

[FStop7]

Working hard on that "I am not a crook" pose

[agrajag]

That seems like it should be beyond the purview of a judge.

[Optimus]

From the little I have read...Now let me offer up some random story I found that I think fits the narrative I want to be true about something I admit I am very ignorant about and make a whole bunch of sweeping generalizations from it.  Pretty good encapsulation of how you operate and how discussions with you tend to go.

 Switzerland has compulsory insurance, an individual mandate if you will. Which is coupled with a non-profit insurance market that is strictly regulated and required to provide a basic set of comprehensive benefits to anyone without discrimination. Where the central government negotiates drug prices with drug companies coupled with a form of all-payer rate setting. However, people that do not have the means to afford insurance outright receive generous subsidies based on a sliding income scale(one far more generous than what America has). It is a universal healthcare country with high QOL healthcare metrics done at a much lower cost than America. Heritage absolutely DID NOT support that. What you link to speaks to conservative reforms that are trying to intensify the necessary punitive aspect of the arrangement toward people with the means but refuse to pay into the system. Total inclusion being something that is necessary for any healthcare system to remain efficient and avoid rampant free-rider problems. The fact you are trying to shovel this into this simple narrative you have created in your head through admitted ignorance to make sweeping generalizations really speaks volumes here.

As for turning on Trump, please provide any evidence of this? Support amongst core Trump voters has barely wavered despite the rampant cronyism, the war mongering, the complete opposite governing on cleaning up the political system, the rich-first tax bill, and the underhanded assault on labor and consumer protections in this country. So far, nothing the alt-right has actually done suggests that they care about those things. Frankly, the more you speak the more it is becoming clear that you are just in it for the sexism and anti-Social Studies Warrior stuff and this is going to be an endless cycle of you attempting to apologize for this group you found common cause because for you it clearly sits at the very top of what you care about in politics. To the point that when push comes to shove you time and time again try and find ways to defend the alt-right and rationalize why you are vilifying the left for things that the right is far, far more guilty of. But you are right in that you have helped explain why so many fall in love with Trump. He plays on that cleavage and as long as he is feeding it a steady diet, his followers willingly go along with all manner of contradictory actions. Like you continue to do.

If that's how the Switzerland health care system is then WHAT THE FUCK are you talking about? ACA is nothing like it and definitely more like the Heritage Foundation's plan.  There's no universal health care, there system in not based on non-profit organizations, US government doesn't negotiate drug prices and so on. So basically you're full of shit and probably parroting Democratic bullshit about being "inspired by" the Swish health care system.

And let me help you with that proof, even in the circlejerk full of rabid Trump supporters that is the_donald there were threads like these: https://www.removeddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/8bg62b/russia_vows_to_shoot_down_any_and_all_missiles/ I remember reading even worse examples on r/undelete a month ago but 5 minutes on the_donald are more than enough for me.

Frankly, the more you speak the more it is becoming clear that you are just in it to defend the SJW morons while trying to convince that they have nothing to do with this complete clusterfuck. Yet while I was browsing that shithole I kept finding submissions about the drama these distinguished mentally-challenged fellows are involved with or instigated: 1 2 3 4 5 (and no I don't agree or even care about this shit in case some genius wants to accuse me of agreeing with the_donald's posts just because I linked to them)

It's as if the alt-right feeds off SJWs and oversensitive liberals just like SJWs feed off the alt-right. Shocking, huh?

[brawndolicious]

That seems like it should be beyond the purview of a judge.

Apparently this judge has a habit of being hard on the side he favors to encourage them to strengthen their case. I wouldn't be too worried about it.

[Nintex]

Oh god, he's going to speech at the NRA.
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/992473836770775041

Dragon Energy(tm)
https://twitter.com/JaxAlemany/status/992475643731415042

[Mandark]

Remember when Trump said he was going to do gun control and mocked a senator (who was actually sponsoring a bill!) for being scared of the NRA? Then the NRA got a lobbyist in a room with him for one hour and it all went away?

Good times.

[Nintex]

Remember when Trump said he was going to do gun control and mocked a senator (who was actually sponsoring a bill!) for being scared of the NRA? Then the NRA got a lobbyist in a room with him for one hour and it all went away?

Good times.

He seems to be recruiting the NRA for the fight against Mueller

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/992477374032826368

[Nola]

If that's how the Switzerland health care system is then WHAT THE FUCK are you talking about? ACA is nothing like it and definitely more like the Heritage Foundation's plan. There's no universal health care, there system in not based on non-profit organizations, US government doesn't negotiate drug prices and so on. So basically you're full of shit and probably parroting Democratic bullshit about being "inspired by" the Swish health care system.

And let me help you with that proof, even in the circlejerk full of rabid Trump supporters that is the_donald there were threads like these: https://www.removeddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/8bg62b/russia_vows_to_shoot_down_any_and_all_missiles/ I remember reading even worse examples on r/undelete a month ago but 5 minutes on the_donald are more than enough for me.

Frankly, the more you speak the more it is becoming clear that you are just in it to defend the SJW morons while trying to convince that they have nothing to do with this complete clusterfuck. Yet while I was browsing that shithole I kept finding submissions about the drama these distinguished mentally-challenged fellows are involved with or instigated: 1 2 3 4 5 (and no I don't agree or even care about this shit in case some genius wants to accuse me of agreeing with the_donald's posts just because I linked to them)

It's as if the alt-right feeds off SJWs and oversensitive liberals just like SJWs feed off the alt-right. Shocking, huh?

I don't know why you are putting "inspired" in quotes? What I said was that one of the original architects took some of it's cues from Switzerland. A more accurate description would be that it borrowed a chunk of its frameworks from Switzerland(and by extension the Bismarck model underlying it). Which was only pointed out because of your (continuing)incorrect assertion that the legislation was modeled primarily after the Heritage's 90's white paper.


You don't need talking points to see this either, just a working brain and the ability to engage topics without immediately running to hunt for some sort of tribal identity shortcut to determine what position you think you should be taking. Engaging topics with all the nuance, temperament, and sophistication of a neanderthal with late-stage CTE. For all your talk about everyone around you engaging in blind partisanship, your propensity for constantly engaging every discussion with this lazy in-group/out-group generalizing is quite the pot/kettle situation.


As to The_Donald comments, I remember you posting those(or someone around here). However, that hardly is proof of some large trend. Typically if you want to show a statistically significant occurrence you need more then some screenshots of the comments section of a website to be convincing. And when you look at polls, core Trump support has barely wavered despite all of the things occurring that I pointed out to you. And sure, the alt-right(or really just the right) primarily organizes around their hatred of other tribes and culture wars. Identity politics if you will. Thats the point I have been making to you, along with how you seem to be doing the same thing. As evidenced by pretty much every response you have given so far.

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/therealroseanne/status/992301702660304897
https://twitter.com/StormyDaniels/status/992394912388861952

FIGURE 22-5: A distillation of the political zeitgeist of 2018 Trump-era politics. Featuring a pornstar mistress of the US president “Twitter Roasting” the human form of a razor blade scratching a chalk board

[Steve Contra]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/992479997616062464

[kingv]

That seems like it should be beyond the purview of a judge.

Apparently this judge has a habit of being hard on the side he favors to encourage them to strengthen their case. I wouldn't be too worried about it.

I suspect there is a significant amount of spin on this and this side story is a symptom of desperate people that are also not very strong legal minds.

I am not a lawyer but have also never heard of this “a prosecutor can only charge you with the crime he is specifically investigating and not other crimes that are uncovered as part of the investigation” rule.

[agrajag]

I have neither. Regardless, Rosenstein gave him a mandate to "pursue any matters that arise as a result of this investigation."

[Nintex]

Rudy has all sorts of fucked up ideas.

"Ivanka won't be prosecuted because she's a lovely young woman"

"The FBI sends Stormtroopers to arrest people"

"I know this guy he's great, therefor he's innocent"

[Optimus]

I don't know why you are putting "inspired" in quotes? What I said was that one of the original architects took some of it's cues from Switzerland. A more accurate description would be that it borrowed a chunk of its frameworks from Switzerland(and by extension the Bismarck model underlying it). Which was only pointed out because of your (continuing)incorrect assertion that the legislation was modeled primarily after the Heritage's 90's white paper.


You don't need talking points to see this either, just a working brain and the ability to engage topics without immediately running to hunt for some sort of tribal identity shortcut to determine what position you think you should be taking. Engaging topics with all the nuance, temperament, and sophistication of a neanderthal with late-stage CTE. For all your talk about everyone around you engaging in blind partisanship, your propensity for constantly engaging every discussion with this lazy in-group/out-group generalizing is quite the pot/kettle situation.


As to The_Donald comments, I remember you posting those(or someone around here). However, that hardly is proof of some large trend. Typically if you want to show a statistically significant occurrence you need more then some screenshots of the comments section of a website to be convincing. And when you look at polls, core Trump support has barely wavered despite all of the things occurring that I pointed out to you. And sure, the alt-right(or really just the right) primarily organizes around their hatred of other tribes and culture wars. Identity politics if you will. Thats the point I have been making to you, along with how you seem to be doing the same thing. As evidenced by pretty much every response you have given so far.

I'm using "inspired by" in quotes because that's what Hollywood does when it wants to make a movie that has nothing to do with a true story but still want to market it as one. So I guess if this was indeed the narrative about ACA that's EXACTLY what the Democrats did as well.

And no I definitely didn't post these before because these are just from just skimming today's the_donald submissions while I was there to find a submission about Syria. They constantly post crap involving SJWs and liberal overreactions there, it's both a recruitment and polarizing tactic that has been working great for the alt-right for years. That's my whole point, that's this clusterfuck is mainly their fault, that the alt-right is a counter-culture against these fucking idiots. That yes, the rightwing would still exist and they'd still be reactionary but they wouldn't have turned this ugly or recruited people from younger generations and diverse crowds. Milo Yiannopoulos started as a liberal that justifiably didn't like Islam and political correctness and turned into that.

And please, let's not pretend that it's only the alt-right is the one organizing based on their hatred of the other side, that's DNC's entire strategy for 2016 and 2018. This entire fucking thread is proof of that. The only major political group that doesn't do that and focuses more on actual policy is the Bernie progressives. Sure, there are people like me that fucking despise the DNC because they're fucking hypocrites that use progressives as their pawns but their main driving force and argument to join their side isn't "DRUMPF BAD - JOIN US" or SJWs BAD - JOIN US", it's actual policy.

[Mandark]

That's my whole point, that's this clusterfuck is mainly their fault, that the alt-right is a counter-culture against these fucking idiots.

nah