US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[curly]

Nola, Nola, dude, this would be such a crazy fun experiment seriously try this :

Go to the border of U.S/Canada. Find a military or border patrol post and lob molotovs at them.

I want to see if you die. Also, extra street cred if you're carrying a newborn in your arms 

I know you're really proud in thinking that you found the perfect gotcha straw man to own the es jay dubya libtards, so you just want to shoehorn it back into the thread, but for someone with such a low bar already given to them, you are somehow finding ways to still miss the jump.

An Israeli soldier has the right to personal self defense, when justified, and for all I know a good chunk of those deaths were justified(though it is interesting you seem to have it all figured out when frankly we don't really know the details on a lot of them). But the over-riding context in which this conflict is happening in falls heavily on Israel and by extension America's shoulders. Since as already stated, they are the gatekeepers and they ultimately dictate everything.

I agree with your overall point but this is giving too much credit, there's no way any of those killings were done in self-defense. They were sniping people from a mile away.

[Assimilate]

A border splits two countries. Gaza is not a country. There is no border, only a prison wall.

Now i'm the one that has to call out "age" here. Maybe some of you aren't old enough to remember why this is. Why checkpoints were put in place, why Israel has some of the most stringent airport profiling protocols in place. Let's all just pretend they did this because they wanna trap the poor innocent Palestinians. Booohooohoo how sad.

 

[Nola]

Nola, Nola, dude, this would be such a crazy fun experiment seriously try this :

Go to the border of U.S/Canada. Find a military or border patrol post and lob molotovs at them.

I want to see if you die. Also, extra street cred if you're carrying a newborn in your arms 

I know you're really proud in thinking that you found the perfect gotcha straw man to own the es jay dubya libtards, so you just want to shoehorn it back into the thread, but for someone with such a low bar already given to them, you are somehow finding ways to still miss the jump.

An Israeli soldier has the right to personal self defense, when justified, and for all I know a good chunk of those deaths were justified(though it is interesting you seem to have it all figured out when frankly we don't really know the details on a lot of them). But the over-riding context in which this conflict is happening in falls heavily on Israel and by extension America's shoulders. Since as already stated, they are the gatekeepers and they ultimately dictate everything.

I agree with your overall point but this is giving too much credit, there's no way any of those killings were done in self-defense. They were sniping people from a mile away.

And if that is the case I'm with you.

I guess my point was mostly just to say that sure, some of those deaths MAY be justified, there certainly is a context in which I would see that as the case, though I also am not informed enough about every single death to make that judgement. Not sure we have or will ever have all the facts on every single one?....Assimilate seems to be sure enough to paint with a broad brush though.

[curly]

Of course I know. Israel kicked those people's ancestors out of their homes and they don't want them coming back, through force or otherwise.

edit: replying to assimilate

[Assimilate]

Of course I know. Israel kicked those people's ancestors out of their homes and they don't want them coming back, through force or otherwise.

Everyone can have historical grievances but the one group that probably has the most right to historical grievances of them all.

Yeahhhh. I got it now. You're an antisemite. 

[curly]

seems like a stretch

[naff]

A border splits two countries. Gaza is not a country. There is no border, only a prison wall.

Now i'm the one that has to call out "age" here. Maybe some of you aren't old enough to remember why this is. Why checkpoints were put in place, why Israel has some of the most stringent airport profiling protocols in place. Let's all just pretend they did this because they wanna trap the poor innocent Palestinians. Booohooohoo how sad.

 

jfc

http://imemc.org/article/71548/

https://www.diakonia.se/en/IHL/where-we-work/Occupied-Palestinian-Territory/Administration-of-Occupation/Gaza-Blockade-Land--Sea/Land-Buffer-Zone/

the illegality of Israels actions is overwhelming accepted by nearly every organisation internationally. but assimilate knows it all already. we're talking about obvious, ongoing, and in the context of international law - illegal, use of excessive force. nobody's arguing that palestinians are innocent here you twat, but Israel is the occupying power, and they have a responsibility to the Palestinian people which they are not upholding.

[Assimilate]

A border splits two countries. Gaza is not a country. There is no border, only a prison wall.

Now i'm the one that has to call out "age" here. Maybe some of you aren't old enough to remember why this is. Why checkpoints were put in place, why Israel has some of the most stringent airport profiling protocols in place. Let's all just pretend they did this because they wanna trap the poor innocent Palestinians. Booohooohoo how sad.

 

jfc

http://imemc.org/article/71548/

https://www.diakonia.se/en/IHL/where-we-work/Occupied-Palestinian-Territory/Administration-of-Occupation/Gaza-Blockade-Land--Sea/Land-Buffer-Zone/

the illegality of Israels actions is overwhelming accepted by nearly every organisation internationally. but assimilate knows it all already. we're talking about obvious, ongoing, and in the context of international law - illegal, use of excessive force. nobody's arguing that palestinians are innocent here you twat, but Israel is the occupying power, and they have a responsibility to the Palestinian people which they are not upholding.

You stupid naive twat no one cares about international law. Countries are going to do what they're going to do, something being illegal or not is going to be irrelevant at the end of the day.

"omg what you're doing is illegal, you can't just go to war against another peoples that are trying to murder you consistently for hundreds of years until we say you can" Uh huh. You guys keep pretending this is how things actually work. 

Palestinians routinely martyr children and teenagers but god forbid IDF drop pamphlet letting people know that violently protesting will result in deaths and then proceed accordingly. Monsters i tell ya, monsters.

[Nola]

Of course I know. Israel kicked those people's ancestors out of their homes and they don't want them coming back, through force or otherwise.

Everyone can have historical grievances but the one group that probably has the most right to historical grievances of them all.

Yeahhhh. I got it now. You're an antisemite. 

I mean if any specific criticism aimed at a state/group's actions that you've observed over time is now your measuring stick for declaring someone racist... 

[Assimilate]

You stupid naive twat no one cares about international law.

Is this a GOB quote from AD season 5?

Did it stop the U.S from going into Iraq? did it stop countless genocide in Africa? Did it stop Russia taking Crimea? Did it stop N.Korea doing what they've done for decades?

In this respect international law is a big wet fart.

[Nola]

A border splits two countries. Gaza is not a country. There is no border, only a prison wall.

Now i'm the one that has to call out "age" here. Maybe some of you aren't old enough to remember why this is. Why checkpoints were put in place, why Israel has some of the most stringent airport profiling protocols in place. Let's all just pretend they did this because they wanna trap the poor innocent Palestinians. Booohooohoo how sad.

 

jfc

http://imemc.org/article/71548/

https://www.diakonia.se/en/IHL/where-we-work/Occupied-Palestinian-Territory/Administration-of-Occupation/Gaza-Blockade-Land--Sea/Land-Buffer-Zone/

the illegality of Israels actions is overwhelming accepted by nearly every organisation internationally. but assimilate knows it all already. we're talking about obvious, ongoing, and in the context of international law - illegal, use of excessive force. nobody's arguing that palestinians are innocent here you twat, but Israel is the occupying power, and they have a responsibility to the Palestinian people which they are not upholding.

I'd just caution you, I once took the trouble(mostly for fun to see where it would go with him) to post comparative immigration statistics and government crime data to confront Assimilate about how his inflammatory assertions about the western world's most lax immigration system and immigrants bringing more crime to America was objectively false.....And it just led to an angry, insult-laden ramble that eventually shifted into bizarre eugenics arguments.


....Though by the end of everyone's mockery of the eugenics stuff he did run away from the thread to go cry in the resetera/culture wars thread for basically 7 months, so maybe there is an upside here 

Facts trigger him, but they won't ever persuade him.

[kingv]

Cohen is out here asking for bribes from Qatar to pass to trump family members and y’all are out here talking about Jews.

This nicca really is going to get taken down by a pornstar and her lawyer, isn’t he?

[Optimus]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/996460255520358400

[naff]

I actually don't know what the deal is eh, or what assimilate is trying to assert here. It's naive to criticise a country for breaking international law, because. er. Some countries flout international law?

Guys, there are criminals, and some get away with it or just deal with the societal ramifications. It's naive to discuss this crime wave.

Many countries would be crippled through trade sanctions for flouting international law. Israel is an interesting case as they are emboldened through popular support from the US; case in point, they get a new 'Murican embassy - kill 59 and wound over 2200 because some people were throwing rocks, had some fire kites, burnt some tires (to shield from Sniper fire) and allegedly threw some molotovs.

International Law breaks down when the countries involved have little to lose, or are exceptions to the rule e.g. Israel. N. Korea was already barred for being commies, and they're fucked economically, similar with many African nations. What's your point?

[Nola]

Cohen is out here asking for bribes from Qatar to pass to trump family members and y’all are out here talking about Jews.

This nicca really is going to get taken down by a pornstar and her lawyer, isn’t he?

I'm still steadily waffling in my thoughts(like usual). He's clearly gonna get hit, but how hard? Right now we seem to clearly have election and bank fraud, which both don't amount to a whole lot. from what i understand he could realistically get fairly minimal jail time and some heavy fines and be good to go.

Cohen definitely seems to be a major firewall on the business corruption end of Trump's troubles though(though seemingly Russia as well), so I get the sense how far down the path that gets to go will come down to how dire they can make Cohen's prospects seem? 1-4 years in jail? Cohen will tell NY prosecutors and Mueller to go fuck themselves. 15-25? Cohen's gonna sing like a bird IMO. But how many of these revelations can realistically lead to any new criminal charges?

[Nola]

You stupid naive twat no one cares about international law.

Is this a GOB quote from AD season 5?

Did it stop the U.S from going into Iraq? did it stop countless genocide in Africa? Did it stop Russia taking Crimea? Did it stop N.Korea doing what they've done for decades?

In this respect international law is a big wet fart.

By design it was never going to be able to achieve total enforcement power. So it is a bit disingenuous to point to all the ways it has fallen short of doing things it was never going to be 100% capable of doing as a construct in the first place.

However, like low-thinking GOP knuckle draggers on the Iran deal, you can stack the deck with all the examples of that system's failure to achieve the utopia you want, but if your solution is to just scrap that system entirely, effectively making the situation objectively worse, your entire logic falls apart. Not that you are saying this specifically, but you seem to have leaned into being ok with might makes right arguments a few times now.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Guys, can't we just all agree here?

- Maybe Assimilate is right about the fact that if the Muslims really wanted to get rid of Israel they could do it, but won't because the cost is too high, so they do these stupid things.
And Maybe everyone else is right about IDF being baby killers.

See? We can all agree. Win/Win.

[curly]

^ban this guy

[Optimus]

Guys, can't we just all agree here?

- Maybe Assimilate is right about the fact that if the Muslims really wanted to get rid of Israel they could do it, but won't because the cost is too high, so they do these stupid things.
And Maybe everyone else is right about IDF being baby killers.

See? We can all agree. Win/Win.

Israel illegally possesses nuclear weapons. They can't do anything unless by cost too high you mean nuclear holocaust.

[Joe Molotov]

Okay, I banned Puppy. Who’s next?

[I'm a Puppy!]

Guys, can't we just all agree here?

- Maybe Assimilate is right about the fact that if the Muslims really wanted to get rid of Israel they could do it, but won't because the cost is too high, so they do these stupid things.
And Maybe everyone else is right about IDF being baby killers.

See? We can all agree. Win/Win.

Israel illegally possesses nuclear weapons. They can't do anything unless by cost too high you mean nuclear holocaust.

You saying a nuclear holocaust isn't too high a price?

[Nola]

Guys, can't we just all agree here?

- Maybe Assimilate is right about the fact that if the Muslims really wanted to get rid of Israel they could do it, but won't because the cost is too high, so they do these stupid things.
And Maybe everyone else is right about IDF being baby killers.

See? We can all agree. Win/Win.

Israel illegally possesses nuclear weapons. They can't do anything unless by cost too high you mean nuclear holocaust.

Even when I kind of want to agree with the gist of what you seem to be saying, you make it hard lol.

I mean I highly doubt the sort of hawks in Israel that are largely responsible for helping deteriorate the situation as much as it has on their nation's end, because they want no two-state solution and want all these territories to be exclusively Israeli, would ever nuke said desired territory. Let alone due to the proximity to Israel proper.

However it does seem that no realistic rebellion force, nor any level of capitulation could realistically satisfy the current hawkish government to both 1.) re-engage in good-faith peace talks, or 2.) Agree to any sort of respectable two state deal that shares Jerusalem. In my estimate things are probably going to remain at an impasse until a left-wing government with a far less hawkish streak is able to come into power and concurrently the Palestinians don't go too hard toward their own hawks if and when that happens.

[Mandark]

Everyone can have historical grievances but the one group that probably has the most right to historical grievances of them all.

If this was really about that, you guys would've given us Bavaria instead.

[benjipwns]

Speaking of not-the-Onion

https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/996427205944184832

i am extremely interested in these "arson kites" now

also i have some interest in the "rope tied to fence" one

[benjipwns]

also, it is my understanding that is not against international law to shoot someone wearing a guy fawkes mask

[Assimilate]

A border splits two countries. Gaza is not a country. There is no border, only a prison wall.

Now i'm the one that has to call out "age" here. Maybe some of you aren't old enough to remember why this is. Why checkpoints were put in place, why Israel has some of the most stringent airport profiling protocols in place. Let's all just pretend they did this because they wanna trap the poor innocent Palestinians. Booohooohoo how sad.

 

jfc

http://imemc.org/article/71548/

https://www.diakonia.se/en/IHL/where-we-work/Occupied-Palestinian-Territory/Administration-of-Occupation/Gaza-Blockade-Land--Sea/Land-Buffer-Zone/

the illegality of Israels actions is overwhelming accepted by nearly every organisation internationally. but assimilate knows it all already. we're talking about obvious, ongoing, and in the context of international law - illegal, use of excessive force. nobody's arguing that palestinians are innocent here you twat, but Israel is the occupying power, and they have a responsibility to the Palestinian people which they are not upholding.

I'd just caution you, I once took the trouble(mostly for fun to see where it would go with him) to post comparative immigration statistics and government crime data to confront Assimilate about how his inflammatory assertions about the western world's most lax immigration system and immigrants bringing more crime to America was objectively false.....And it just led to an angry, insult-laden ramble that eventually shifted into bizarre eugenics arguments.


....Though by the end of everyone's mockery of the eugenics stuff he did run away from the thread to go cry in the resetera/culture wars thread for basically 7 months, so maybe there is an upside here 

Facts trigger him, but they won't ever persuade him.

You did no such thing. What you did do however is miss the argument by a wide margin. I simply do not have the stamina like etoilet does to argue with you endlessly as you keep missing the point. I'll eventually get bored and move on. Kinda like right now. I'm bored of this.

It's just hot takes from people that watch too much CNN.

[team filler]

Okay, I banned Puppy. Who’s next?

ban all these people ↓↓↓

[Nola]

Go ahead and co-sign onto the "boredom," "moving on" self-save crutch, but you both seem to get "bored" when people start bringing up pesky things like "facts" into your all's bloviating stream-of-conscience culture-war vomit.

Like your ridiculous eugenics/criminal immigrant nonsense months ago, or much of your posts today.

....Just hoping its another 7 months.

[naff]

Assimilate, you're a joke.

[kingv]

Damn, Kim pulling out of the trump summit, hahaha.

Someone pull up my sage like post from like a month or two where I said there was zero chance trump achieved denuclearization. Basically the only thing we seeme to have gotten out of Chinanon trade is somehow that we are going to pull sanctions on ZTE.

Need to call my dad to run it in sometime later this week.

[Coitus]

also, it is my understanding that is not against international law to shoot someone wearing a guy fawkes mask

In fact it violates the Treaty of Rome not to.

[Nola]

Damn, Kim pulling out of the trump summit, hahaha.

Someone pull up my sage like post from like a month or two where I said there was zero chance trump achieved denuclearization. Basically the only thing we seeme to have gotten out of Chinanon trade is somehow that we are going to pull sanctions on ZTE.

Need to call my dad to run it in sometime later this week.

 

[kingv]

Damn, Kim pulling out of the trump summit, hahaha.

Someone pull up my sage like post from like a month or two where I said there was zero chance trump achieved denuclearization. Basically the only thing we seeme to have gotten out of Chinanon trade is somehow that we are going to pull sanctions on ZTE.

Need to call my dad to run it in sometime later this week.

 

I stand by my impeccable grammar and sentence structure.

[agrajag]

It's almost as if NK hasn't pulled this song and dance routine for decades.

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/willripleyCNN/status/996583760370876416


NOBODY COULD HAVE FORESEEN

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canadian-doctor-shot-by-israeli-sniper-near-gaza-border/

[Mandark]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canadian-doctor-shot-by-israeli-sniper-near-gaza-border/

Saw footage a few weeks ago of Israeli soldiers knocking wounded Palestinians off of stretchers so the medical teams had to carry them by hand (while the soldiers intermittently pointed guns in their faces). Not great!

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/willripleyCNN/status/996583760370876416


NOBODY COULD HAVE FORESEEN

[Mandark]

Everybody point and laugh at Nintex.

[agrajag]

Here's a Nintex-level hot take for you: DPRK was the one playing 24th dimensional chess all along 

[Mandark]

Time to polish up those Nobel peace prizes. NK and SK just announced an end to war and hostilities.

They both vow to strive for complete denuclearization.

The madman did it.

This post is aging like milk.

[agrajag]

Don't count the Nobels before they hatch.

[curly]

Who knows if North Korea ever had any intention of going through with a deal, but it was Bolton talking about using the Libya model for denuclearization (give up your weapons, get overthrown by western powers a few years later) that gave them the excuse to threaten to back out.

[curly]

Speaking of not-the-Onion

https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/996427205944184832

"rope tied to fence"

jfc shouldn't they be better at this, they spend enough money on it

[seagrams hotsauce]

Arson Kites sounds like a mid aughts NYC indie band

[kingv]

It's almost as if NK hasn't pulled this song and dance routine for decades.

researching on the internet for about 45 minutes would have told you this was the most likely outcome.

My dad and I got in a big argument about how shitty Trump was. He said he was about to get a win in Chinese trade and in North Korea.

Turns out I was right again.

[curly]

being right won't make your dad love you

[kingv]

I just get frustrated with him. He’s a smart guy and usually reasonable, but he’s so dumb about this particular thing.

[I'm a Puppy!]

"Hey guys, they're tying a rope to a fence!"

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/willripleyCNN/status/996583760370876416


NOBODY COULD HAVE FORESEEN

Nobody knew diplomacy could be so complicated!

[Assimilate]

Assimilate, you're a joke.

I actually don't know what the deal is eh, or what assimilate is trying to assert here. It's naive to criticise a country for breaking international law, because. er. Some countries flout international law?

Guys, there are criminals, and some get away with it or just deal with the societal ramifications. It's naive to discuss this crime wave.

Many countries would be crippled through trade sanctions for flouting international law. Israel is an interesting case as they are emboldened through popular support from the US; case in point, they get a new 'Murican embassy - kill 59 and wound over 2200 because some people were throwing rocks, had some fire kites, burnt some tires (to shield from Sniper fire) and allegedly threw some molotovs.

International Law breaks down when the countries involved have little to lose, or are exceptions to the rule e.g. Israel. N. Korea was already barred for being commies, and they're fucked economically, similar with many African nations. What's your point?

Nothing to lose? Russia had a lot to lose they didn't give a fuck anyways, the U.S had a lot to lose going into Iraq they also didn't give a fuck about international law. Most of these countries have things to lose in one way or another, and sanctions always follow, but no one actually GIVES A FUCK.

Realize that you're just a child that gets pulled into hype rage for CNN clicks. This is why i try to stay away from political circle jerks because most people are simply going on what they see on the 24 hour news cycle channels. No where else do people get this upset about things that have no direct effect on them. When i'm out of the country watching other news networks that cover this pretty neutrally, you don't see people get into these stupid arguments.

[Rufus]

He was supposed to lose by a big margin and won the electoral by a good margin. (Popular vote is meaningless.)
This is an example of dishonest engagement. But let's move on.

This is an example of a flawed premise.

I let the other half slide yesterday, but I'm petty enough to want to revisit this, so: Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin by less than 1%. Worth 16, 20, and 10 EV respectively, which would have been enough to swing the election in her favour (from 304 v 227 to 258 v 273).

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WTA voting systems

[close]

That translates to less than 80k people, btw. Not quite Bush v Gore thin, but it's really fucking thin.

You assumed I was talking about the popular vote and then concluded that I was engaging dishonestly, which is rather the problem I was talking about yesterday. Now we can move on.

[Brehvolution]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/15/white-house-eliminates-cyber-adviser-post-542916


"I'm very big on cyber"

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/15/white-house-eliminates-cyber-adviser-post-542916


"I'm very big on cyber"

Makes sense, Barron can take over for a few months on his summer break.

[Nola]

Trump Jr:

I don’t know if the number I called right after getting excited about a chance at colluding with Russia was to my father or not. I just don’t recall.

 

[I'm a Puppy!]

You know, it's difficult to remember things when all the blood from your brain goes into your raging erection.

[kingv]

The cover page on the senate report is surprisingly savage to trump.

Short version is “these nillas tried to collude with Russia, and should have called the fbi but didn’t.”

[Nintex]

I don't blame Kim. He doesn't want to be:
- Bombed back to the stone age
- Hunted by drugged up Jihadis who will tear up his country
- Sodomized by people that eventually catch up to him, put a stick in his ass and dump him in a ditch

You know, like the Libya model.

Qaddafi  should've donated to the Clinton Foundation instead of Sarkozy's election campaign.   

You think I don't like this? This will only create more fuckery 
Won't be long before we're back at button measurements and military options.

[Mandark]

Who said anything about you liking this?

This is about you being a human compass who points to Wrong.

[Brehvolution]

The cover page on the senate report is surprisingly savage to trump.

Short version is “these nillas tried to collude with Russia, and should have called the fbi but didn’t.”

Trump Jr. also reiterated, under oath, that the meeting was a waste of time: “All else being equal, I wouldn’t have wanted to waste 20 minutes hearing about something that I wasn’t supposed to be meeting about.”