US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Trent Dole]

You're wrong about everything AND you don't have basic human sympathy for these people. Just shut the fuck up, man.

Am I a bad person if I say 'newsfeed'? Cause newsfeed.

[Optimus]

This split screen is perfectly showing the dystopian state of the world
(Image removed from quote.)


Honestly, the Palestinians shouldn't go ape shit because the US Jared Kushner and Ivanka moved a fucking diplomatic building.
 

It honestly would be hard to top packing this much ignorance in so few words.

Honestly I don't see how the protests accomplish anything but casualties on the Palestinian side.
Trump is not going to reverse his decision. They could all go and die at the border, he wouldn't care.
So why protest. I don't get it.   

I'm not saying they shouldn't fight for their rights, I'm saying this particular fight is futile.

OK, so what would you do against a state that commits ethnic cleansing against your people while the international community sits idle doing nothing because these fucks own the US government that blindly supports them?

Are you talking about Russia or Israel
 

Israel, Russia has a lot to learn from them on how to influence US elections.

[Optimus]

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/996008539456974848

[curly]

meanwhile cnn.com's top story right now is melania getting surgery

gaza doesn't even get a photo

[seagrams hotsauce]

meanwhile cnn.com's top story right now is melania getting surgery

gaza doesn't even get a photo

sloptimus vindicated

[kingv]

Glenn Greenwald defends leakers, but then gives them up to the government as well. Explain.

[curly]

I checked CNN and there was, actually, a photo

But anyway, CNN is not a news organization. It's front page on WaPo.

Obviously they heard my complaints

still lower billing than megan markle's dad

[Nola]

This is all you need to know to get the gist of the direction CNN has gone under former NBC president and Donald Trump friend and Apprentice founder Jeff Zucker.

What Zucker is creating now is a new kind of must-see TV — produced almost entirely in CNN’s studios — an unending loop of dramatic moments, conflicts and confrontations. “I’ve always been interested in the news, but I’ve always been interested in what’s popular,” Zucker says. “I’ve always had a little bit of a populist take on things. Which I know is interesting when you talk about Donald Trump.”

CNN’s Last-Supper-size panels have become a hallmark of its political coverage.

As Zucker sees it, his pro-Trump panelists are not just spokespeople for a worldview; they are “characters in a drama,” members of CNN’s extended ensemble cast. “Everybody says, ‘Oh, I can’t believe you have Jeffrey Lord or Kayleigh McEnany,’ but you know what?” Zucker told me with some satisfaction. “They know who Jeffrey Lord and Kayleigh McEnany are.”

As pure TV spectacle, arguments like this were reminiscent of the head-to-head battles pioneered a decade ago by ESPN’s daytime talk shows like “First Take,” which pitted sports pundits against one another in loud disagreements about the topic of the day. This was not a coincidence. Zucker is a big sports fan and from the early days of the campaign had spoken at editorial meetings about wanting to incorporate elements of ESPN’s programming into CNN’s election coverage. “The idea that politics is sport is undeniable, and we understood that and approached it that way,” he told me.

Like I have always argued, there is legitimate work being done, some good journalism and produced content and certainly much better standards of journalistic integrity than what Fox News and their overt propaganda engages in during most hours, but the shift in focus and delivery is undeniable. And it is a shitty one, one certainly I don't like and it's why I rarely turn that station on.

It's not some nefarious deep state conspiracy though, just a rich asshole that has a profit seeking mindset and a sort of warped view of where resources should be divided up, what the news should focus on, and how the news should be delivered in contrast to what most would understand as being by-the-books broadcast journalism and reporting.

[Nola]

OK, so what would you do against a state that commits ethnic cleansing against your people while the international community sits idle doing nothing because these fucks own the US government that blindly supports them?

I mean a good chunk of the international community has been pretty disparaging in their views on Israel's behavior, especially under the Netanyahu regime, where the hawkishness and the incidents of international law breaking seems to have notably upticked. America has just been their strongest firewall both as an ally and in the UN. Only marginally shifting based on the party in power....Though this move is a notable break to the right even for America.

Though I'm trying to wrap my brain around your post.

Are you wanting America to ultimately engage as the interventionist global police now? Because if this were Syria you were knocking on the door of basically preaching a might makes right philosophy and telling America to stay the fuck out of it. Giving a pass to Russia for propping up and being the firewall for that particular government to brazenly engage in all manner of human rights violations. So I honestly would of expected you to just not give a fuck about what Israel is doing to those under their thumb?

[Optimus]

OK, so what would you do against a state that commits ethnic cleansing against your people while the international community sits idle doing nothing because these fucks own the US government that blindly supports them?

I mean a good chunk of the international community has been pretty disparaging in their views on Israel's behavior, especially under the Netanyahu regime, where the hawkishness and the incidents of international law breaking seems to have notably upticked. America has just been their strongest firewall both as an ally and in the UN. Only marginally shifting based on the party in power....Though this move is a notable break to the right even for America.

Though I'm trying to wrap my brain around your post.

Are you wanting America to ultimately engage as the interventionist global police now? Because if this were Syria you were knocking on the door of basically preaching a might makes right philosophy and telling America to stay the fuck out of it. Giving a pass to Russia for propping up and being the firewall for that particular government to brazenly engage in all manner of human rights violations. So I honestly would of expected you to just not give a fuck about what Israel is doing to those under their thumb?

Yes, the international community has written some very strongly worded letters, I'm sure the murdering far-right prick can't sleep at night after reading those. No I don't want an intervention, a worldwide embargo of every product made in Israel or produced by Israeli corporations would suffice. Let the Israeli economy collapse and then let's see what they can do with no economy to support their massacres and oppression.

[Nintex]

I don't I've ever seen "Made in Israel" on any product.

Microsoft Kinect 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Israels biggest sin

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[Optimus]

I don't I've ever seen "Made in Israel" on any product.

A shitload of corporations make their crap in Israel or work with Israeli corporations. I used to care enough to boycott the list but I lost count and stopped caring. Intel is definitely one of them because I remember not buying Intel for that reason.

[Nintex]

I don't I've ever seen "Made in Israel" on any product.

A shitload of corporations make their crap in Israel or work with Israeli corporations. I used to care enough to boycott the list but I lost count and stopped caring. Intel is definitely one of them because I remember not buying Intel for that reason.

I'm going to give Intel a pass because AMD software is literally designed by Hitler.

[Nola]

Yes, the international community has written some very strongly worded letters, I'm sure the murdering far-right prick can't sleep at night after reading those. No I don't want an intervention, a worldwide embargo of every product made in Israel or produced by Israeli corporations would suffice. Let the Israeli economy collapse and then let's see what they can do with no economy to support their massacres and oppression.

Why not the same prescription for the Syrian regime?

[Optimus]

Yes, the international community has written some very strongly worded letters, I'm sure the murdering far-right prick can't sleep at night after reading those. No I don't want an intervention, a worldwide embargo of every product made in Israel or produced by Israeli corporations would suffice. Let the Israeli economy collapse and then let's see what they can do with no economy to support their massacres and oppression.

Why not the same prescription for the Syrian regime?

Because the Syrian regime only fights the civil war the US government funded and armed. That way you give incentive to psychopaths like Hillary Clinton to do the same to every country they want to destroy the economy of. Having said that, that solution is definitely preferable to war and Assad should somehow pay for his crimes.

[FStop7]

I don't I've ever seen "Made in Israel" on any product.

A lot of tech.  A lot.  Advances in facial recognition is a big one, Kinect is a trickle-down of that tech.  Drones, too. 

I was actually considering writing something about the rapid advancement of autonomous drone and facial recognition tech after 9/11 and the moral dilemma it creates, but I said fuck it because who'd even read it.

[Nola]

Because the Syrian regime only fights the civil war the US government funded and armed. That way you give incentive to psychopaths like Hillary Clinton to do the same to every country they want to destroy the economy of. Having said that, that solution is definitely preferable to war and Assad should somehow pay for his crimes.

Thats not really an accurate statement or timeline of events though. The Arab Spring, like it did in many countries in the Middle East, led to calls for resignation of the Assad government followed by violent suppression of their own people with the implicit backing of Russia, who was an ally of the Assad regime, which was then followed by the American intervention in the form of sanctions against the government. Meanwhile, various rebel groups began to take up arms, including ISIS, whom was trying to carve out territory for themselves. However, that did not stop the Syrian government who only ramped up their attempts at violent suppression of their people, while getting more genocidal and brazen with human rights violations as their means to an end. America actually stood paralyzed both by executive inaction(right or wrong) and by not having many natural allies in the country they could latch onto, punctuated by that infamous red line crossing by Assad.

But by your logic with Israel, you would expect you to be cheering on a more aggressive stance toward Syria to mitigate their own abuses? Yet you aren't. In fact you seem to prescribe a complete hands off approach that would lead to an enormous human rights crisis like the one you say America should actively step in to mitigate in Israel....Your response though seems to indicate that the stance may be born out of confusion and misunderstanding about the Syrian situation, though your follow up about Hillary trying to ruin the economies of targeted countries seems to be exactly what you want to do with Israel. Which is where my confusion is also coming from?

[Nola]

I don't I've ever seen "Made in Israel" on any product.

A lot of tech.  A lot.  Advances in facial recognition is a big one, Kinect is a trickle-down of that tech.  Drones, too. 

I was actually considering writing something about the rapid advancement of autonomous drone and facial recognition tech after 9/11 and the moral dilemma it creates, but I said fuck it because who'd even read it.

TBH it's kind of unfortunate because those are the sort of ethical conversations societies should wrestle with more before they inevitably become commonplace and entrenched into the ways of doing things, making them hard to undo. Like the growth of data warehousing/mining or drone usage.

Another one that still bothers me to this day is the slow growth of persistence surveillance technology. Which like data mining/warehousing before it(perhaps even more so considering the success rate of that stuff, or lack thereof), uses technological advancements to attempt to solve security issues/challenges, but have some deep ethical questions at their heart. It's a fairly simple idea using cutting edge tech that will only improve over time, but the sort of 1984 concerns are about as strong and legitimate as anything America has done in recent times.

[curly]

Yes, the international community has written some very strongly worded letters, I'm sure the murdering far-right prick can't sleep at night after reading those. No I don't want an intervention, a worldwide embargo of every product made in Israel or produced by Israeli corporations would suffice. Let the Israeli economy collapse and then let's see what they can do with no economy to support their massacres and oppression.

Why not the same prescription for the Syrian regime?

The comparison doesn't really work though. Syria is already an ostracized regime in the west, while Israel receives billions of dollars in military aid from the US, is integrated into the global economy, and (besides the occasional symbolic slap on the wrist) doesn't get punished by the global community for its actions.

[Optimus]

Because the Syrian regime only fights the civil war the US government funded and armed. That way you give incentive to psychopaths like Hillary Clinton to do the same to every country they want to destroy the economy of. Having said that, that solution is definitely preferable to war and Assad should somehow pay for his crimes.

Thats not really an accurate statement or timeline of events though. The Arab Spring, like it did in many countries in the Middle East, led to calls for resignation of the Assad government followed by violent suppression of their own people with the implicit backing of Russia, who was an ally of the Assad regime, which was then followed by the American intervention in the form of sanctions against the government. Meanwhile, various rebel groups began to take up arms, including ISIS, whom was trying to carve out territory for themselves. However, that did not stop the Syrian government who only ramped up their attempts at violent suppression of their people, while getting more genocidal and brazen with human rights violations as their means to an end. America actually stood paralyzed both by executive inaction(right or wrong) and by not having many natural allies in the country they could latch onto, punctuated by that infamous red line crossing by Assad.

But by your logic with Israel, you would expect you to be cheering on a more aggressive stance toward Syria to mitigate their own abuses? Yet you aren't. In fact you seem to prescribe a complete hands off approach that would lead to an enormous human rights crisis like the one you say America should actively step in to mitigate in Israel....Your response though seems to indicate that the stance may be born out of confusion and misunderstanding about the Syrian situation, though your follow up about Hillary trying to ruin the economies of targeted countries seems to be exactly what you want to do with Israel. Which is where my confusion is also coming from?

I can't believe that you still think that Arab Spring narrative is real. Clinton was already undermining the Syrian regime for years as leaked documents showed, this wasn't a civil war that just organically happened and the opposition certainly wasn't organized enough to even start one. Clinton hired mercenaries and Muslim extremists to make that happened after the demonstrations against Assad became violent because snipers started killing both demonstrators and the police. Gee, I wonder who these snipers were working for. So just like Libya both tensions and the eventual civil war were organized by CIA and the US government.

[Broseidon]

Everything is a false-flag CIA psyop

[Optimus]

Everything just happens like CNN told me

[curly]

I like how he just says Clinton as if it's her personally doing all of this, like she's a Batman villain whose sole purpose is spreading mayhem throughout the Middle East

[Nola]

Yes, the international community has written some very strongly worded letters, I'm sure the murdering far-right prick can't sleep at night after reading those. No I don't want an intervention, a worldwide embargo of every product made in Israel or produced by Israeli corporations would suffice. Let the Israeli economy collapse and then let's see what they can do with no economy to support their massacres and oppression.

Why not the same prescription for the Syrian regime?

The comparison doesn't really work though. Syria is already an ostracized regime in the west, while Israel receives billions of dollars in military aid from the US, is integrated into the global economy, and (besides the occasional symbolic slap on the wrist) doesn't get punished by the global community for its actions.

I agree 100% that there are notable differences in the relationships.

I was only trying to get clarification into Optimus's seemingly, incredibly contradictory personal logic based on what he has said. Why the willingness to damn America's support of Israel, but not Russia's support of Assad? Why he would go full hawk on Israel, but not Syria.  In fact advocating the complete opposite toward the latter, despite similar, arguably far more egregious actions(at least in recent times) towards those under Assad's thumb. That seemingly violate the reasons he gives for why heavy intervention is justified..Which to be clear, there are completely legitimate reasons to say, as I might argue, that America should take a more heavy hand against Israel while treading lightly against Syria due to any number of unique factors to their individual situations. But Optimus wasn't saying that, his initial pitch was seemingly entirely built on the moral imperative of America acting heavily toward a state engaging in human rights injustices.

However, based on his most recent response, that inconsistency seems to just be because he does see a contextual difference, just one that is entirely built on top of conspiracy fueled cognitive dissonance to support the warped view of the world he wants to be true. That wants to always place America as the sole evil on the world's stage and in all situations, facts be damned... So I'm probably about done anyways, since I technically got my answer and then some.

[Joe Molotov]

Clinton’s mobilizing the incels now to destabilize the United States, you think all these white guys are all just randomly deciding to become addicted to anime?

[Optimus]

I like how he just says Clinton as if it's her personally doing all of this, like she's a Batman villain whose sole purpose is spreading mayhem throughout the Middle East

Clinton and the hawks she works with had been eyeing Assad and Kaddafi years before this happened. I'd try to find the leaked emails about Syria but they'll probably be hosted by non-corporate media publication and I don't have it in me today to start another discussion with liberals about how I'm a Russian spy or some shit.

But yeah, she's certainly a villain, all neocons are.

[Nola]

I like how he just says Clinton as if it's her personally doing all of this, like she's a Batman villain whose sole purpose is spreading mayhem throughout the Middle East

Clinton and the hawks she works with had been eyeing Assad and Kaddafi years before this happened. I'd try to find the leaked emails about Syria but they'll probably be hosted by non-corporate media publication and I don't have it in me today to start another discussion with liberals about how I'm a Russian spy or some shit.

But yeah, she's certainly a villain, all neocons are.

It's not really that hard. Just don't post from actual fake news or propaganda sites and use primary sources that substantiate the assertions they make that you want to lean your argument on.

[Mandark]

Optimus has one hell of an information gain/understanding process.

[Assimilate]

distinguished mentally-challenged fellows

Well, we'd almost gone a full day without anyone pulling out this old chestnut, but, congratulations, you did it. Now go enjoy your two days of rest.

We're banning people in here for saying the "R" word now? where was the memo on that one huh dog? No warning either? Most insulting part was that i didn't even get a cute reee type red quotation.

I mean, it's always good to reflect and all, but Hillary lost by small enough margins in key states that were openly ignored by an incompetent campaign apparatus that I think you can chalk it up to a strategic failure more than some kind of need for an ideological post-mortem that determines a social studies warrior philosophy and not being far enough to "the left" were to blame.

Especially since the defeat came in a system where voters picking the other guy doesn't necessarily tell you anything at all about their specific policy preferences.

And extra so when you're trying to construct some kind of strange argument about how "the Democrats didn't run a true socialist who completely ignores identity politics, which has caused people on YouTube to become conservative lunatics and/or Trump supporters" is evidence of...something..."the Left" should do? "Tackle real problems" while "reevaluating their positions" in some non-specific way that appeals to conservatives first and foremost?

Geeh Benjiboy i'm so off the fucking mark even someone at the goddamn New York Times feels the same. Posted a day after i get banned here for being real. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/opinion/sunday/liberals-youre-not-as-smart-as-you-think-you-are.html

What are you going to say if he gets reelected? Will you just shit your bed at that point?

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/996008539456974848

Fucking Greenwald. Protect Palestinians from what? Not planting bombs near the fences where opposing military will be? or maybe not listening to warnings dropped days earlier indicating that you shouldn't violently protest because you may DIE?!?

The Israelis won those wars, they're going to build Israel up, this is what they're going to do and that's that. Now pick a fucking side and be done with it. The Palestinians aren't in a good position to negotiate anything, they lost. It's over. Try to live in peace or really just give up and get the fuck out........ or don't, and keep dying. 

[Mandark]

you know benji's not a liberal, right?

[Broseidon]

you know benji's not a liberal, right?

well..

[Assimilate]

you know benji's not a liberal, right?

I don't care what benji is. If he honestly thinks Clinton lost just because she didn't campaign in those areas then he's horribly misguided on this whole thing. Losing to someone like Trump there's a lot more going on than just skipping out on states that haven't gone Republican in decades.

[Great Rumbler]

We're banning people in here for saying the "R" word now? where was the memo on that one huh dog? No warning either? Most insulting part was that i didn't even get a cute reee type red quotation.

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=45505.msg2425454#msg2425454

Directly above one of your own posts lol

[Mandark]

Does anyone actually think the GOP's going to pick up seats in the House this year?

[Great Rumbler]

Does anyone actually think the GOP's going to pick up seats in the House this year?

Well, Trump will soon sign the order to cancel the midterms, so they at least won't lose any seats.

[Oblivion]

I mean, it's always good to reflect and all, but Hillary lost by small enough margins in key states that were openly ignored by an incompetent campaign apparatus that I think you can chalk it up to a strategic failure more than some kind of need for an ideological post-mortem that determines a social studies warrior philosophy and not being far enough to "the left" were to blame.

Especially since the defeat came in a system where voters picking the other guy doesn't necessarily tell you anything at all about their specific policy preferences.

And extra so when you're trying to construct some kind of strange argument about how "the Democrats didn't run a true socialist who completely ignores identity politics, which has caused people on YouTube to become conservative lunatics and/or Trump supporters" is evidence of...something..."the Left" should do? "Tackle real problems" while "reevaluating their positions" in some non-specific way that appeals to conservatives first and foremost?

Geeh Benjiboy i'm so off the fucking mark even someone at the goddamn New York Times feels the same. Posted a day after i get banned here for being real. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/opinion/sunday/liberals-youre-not-as-smart-as-you-think-you-are.html

Ah yes, the Left has totally gone off the deep end when they're being criticized by a guy who worked at *checks notes* the American Enterprise Institute, National Review, and The Weekly Standard.

[CatsCatsCats]

Does anyone actually think the GOP's going to pick up seats in the House this year?

Only in a “the worst things keep happening” sorta way

[curly]

being 100% real here this place would be way better if you all weren't such cowards about bans. get rid of optimus and assimilate and absolutely nothing of value would be lost

[Assimilate]

We're banning people in here for saying the "R" word now? where was the memo on that one huh dog? No warning either? Most insulting part was that i didn't even get a cute reee type red quotation.

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=45505.msg2425454#msg2425454

Directly above one of your own posts lol

I honestly didn't even see that. 

being 100% real here this place would be way better if you all weren't such cowards about bans. get rid of optimus and assimilate and absolutely nothing of value would be lost

Then why not head over to Reetown if you need people that bother you banned? Some of you are insufferable pussies. It's astonishing.

[Nola]

Does anyone actually think the GOP's going to pick up seats in the House this year?

Looking at the the Predict-It market, about 15% of people putting their money down that the GOP pick up seats.

Though nearly 40% seem to be putting their money on the House remaining in Republican control, which I think is also incredibly unlikely at this point.

[Mandark]

The reason I ask is cause "the Democrats have learned nothing from their failures and will continue losing until they [move to the left/move to the center/stop being so sassy]!" is a pretty popular thing to say, but I wonder how many people sincerely believe it to the point that they don't think the Dems will make a net gain in the House this year.

[curly]

boring take: the dems are going to win a bunch of seats and it'll have very little to do with what they did right or wrong

[Assimilate]

I mean, it's always good to reflect and all, but Hillary lost by small enough margins in key states that were openly ignored by an incompetent campaign apparatus that I think you can chalk it up to a strategic failure more than some kind of need for an ideological post-mortem that determines a social studies warrior philosophy and not being far enough to "the left" were to blame.

Especially since the defeat came in a system where voters picking the other guy doesn't necessarily tell you anything at all about their specific policy preferences.

And extra so when you're trying to construct some kind of strange argument about how "the Democrats didn't run a true socialist who completely ignores identity politics, which has caused people on YouTube to become conservative lunatics and/or Trump supporters" is evidence of...something..."the Left" should do? "Tackle real problems" while "reevaluating their positions" in some non-specific way that appeals to conservatives first and foremost?

Geeh Benjiboy i'm so off the fucking mark even someone at the goddamn New York Times feels the same. Posted a day after i get banned here for being real. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/opinion/sunday/liberals-youre-not-as-smart-as-you-think-you-are.html

Ah yes, the Left has totally gone off the deep end when they're being criticized by a guy who worked at *checks notes* the American Enterprise Institute, National Review, and The Weekly Standard.

Ah yes, here we go. We must discredit valid points that make us uncomfortable by bashing the individual making them.

[Mandark]

boring take: the dems are going to win a bunch of seats and it'll have very little to do with what they did right or wrong

Cosign.

Mildly nihilist take: we're all just being tossed back and forth by negative partisanship and thermostatic public opinion and nothing really matters.

[curly]

pretty much

[naff]

Noura Erakat

[Oblivion]

I mean, it's always good to reflect and all, but Hillary lost by small enough margins in key states that were openly ignored by an incompetent campaign apparatus that I think you can chalk it up to a strategic failure more than some kind of need for an ideological post-mortem that determines a social studies warrior philosophy and not being far enough to "the left" were to blame.

Especially since the defeat came in a system where voters picking the other guy doesn't necessarily tell you anything at all about their specific policy preferences.

And extra so when you're trying to construct some kind of strange argument about how "the Democrats didn't run a true socialist who completely ignores identity politics, which has caused people on YouTube to become conservative lunatics and/or Trump supporters" is evidence of...something..."the Left" should do? "Tackle real problems" while "reevaluating their positions" in some non-specific way that appeals to conservatives first and foremost?

Geeh Benjiboy i'm so off the fucking mark even someone at the goddamn New York Times feels the same. Posted a day after i get banned here for being real. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/opinion/sunday/liberals-youre-not-as-smart-as-you-think-you-are.html

Ah yes, the Left has totally gone off the deep end when they're being criticized by a guy who worked at *checks notes* the American Enterprise Institute, National Review, and The Weekly Standard.

Ah yes, here we go. We must discredit valid points that make us uncomfortable by bashing the individual making them.

Are you even aware of the point you were originally trying to make?

[benjipwns]

Geeh Benjiboy i'm so off the fucking mark even someone at the goddamn New York Times feels the same. Posted a day after i get banned here for being real. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/opinion/sunday/liberals-youre-not-as-smart-as-you-think-you-are.html

What are you going to say if he gets reelected? Will you just shit your bed at that point?

FACT CHECK: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/trump-2016-the-winston-churchill-of-our-time.975482/

[curly]

Marketing. He'll never run, it's too much work. I'm guessing his tv show is about to premier again or he's about to sell a book.

[Nola]

boring take: the dems are going to win a bunch of seats and it'll have very little to do with what they did right or wrong

I kind of had this conversation with Benji some months ago, but if you look at the history of mid terms, the president's party has lost seats, often notably, in the vast majority of mid-terms with very few exceptions going back to the Great Depression.



So basically what Mandark said...Which is kinda downright depressing if you have many sympathies toward the rational voter theory.

[Great Rumbler]

Geeh Benjiboy i'm so off the fucking mark even someone at the goddamn New York Times feels the same. Posted a day after i get banned here for being real. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/opinion/sunday/liberals-youre-not-as-smart-as-you-think-you-are.html

What are you going to say if he gets reelected? Will you just shit your bed at that point?

FAT CHECK: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/trump-2016-the-winston-churchill-of-our-time.975482/

fixed

[Oblivion]

Good god, the Dems have been getting creamed since FDR.

[Nola]

Good god, the Dems have been getting creamed since FDR.

I keep telling you fucking ninnyhammers this

DNC scum and their war-mongering cripple will keep losing seats because they lack a true progressive message you white-livered dullards.

[benjipwns]

Good god, the Dems have been getting creamed since FDR.

I keep telling you fucking ninnyhammers this

DNC scum and their war-mongering cripple will keep losing seats because they lack a true progressive message you white-livered dullards.

From your own chart, I count 200 combined House seats and 33 combined Senate seats lost, which I believed included losing control of both chambers in 1946, during the war mongering administration of globalists FDR and Truman. Especially Truman who not only committed war crimes against glorious Nippon, but created the Communist containment policy and started a war in Korea against the liberator Chinese while launching and supporting efforts to purge the State Department, Unions, Hollywood and the DNC of true Left-wing voices. He also turned his back on Uncle Joe, a voice for global peace.

Check...and mate. college intellectual.

[zomgee]

I don't I've ever seen "Made in Israel" on any product.

Lots and lots of Enterprise grade software.

[kingv]

being 100% real here this place would be way better if you all weren't such cowards about bans. get rid of optimus and assimilate and absolutely nothing of value would be lost

Give besada his rightful title of mod. He and he alone can fix this place.

Also, I love how brazenly trump seems to have been bribed by China 72 hours ago they announce a huge investment in Macao Trump properties, and 24 hours ago he wants to save jobs at ZTE, a company fined 1.2 billion for violating the Iran sanctions, then lying about it, that also builds apparently fairly obvious backdoors right into their phones.

And some of you still doubt that Trump would have colluded with Russia...

[Optimus]

being 100% real here this place would be way better if you all weren't such cowards about bans. get rid of optimus and assimilate and absolutely nothing of value would be lost

MODS, HELP!

These bad people are interrupting our Trump spam circlejerk. Waaaaaaaa!

[Optimus]

being 100% real here this place would be way better if you all weren't such cowards about bans. get rid of optimus and assimilate and absolutely nothing of value would be lost

MODS, HELP!

These bad people are interrupting our Trump spam circlejerk. Waaaaaaaa!

It's more about the frequent strawmen arguments that are usually complete nonsequitors, regular Alex Jonesian conspiracy theories, barely hidden to blatant racism, and generally uninformed posts that consistently derail by how stupid they are.

You're confused, strawman arguments are your forte, you know, like this whole post of yours. Alex Jonesian conspiracy theories are me casting doubt to your precious corporate media war-mongering narratives by mentioning the narrative of the opposite side while you morons obsess over Russian conspiracies for 2 fucking years that led to a big fat nothing.  Surely this year will be the end of Drumpf though!

And lol at the racism accusation.

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I don't I've ever seen "Made in Israel" on any product.

Lots and lots of Enterprise grade software.

And the most evil of them all, Soda-Stream™.

Usurping American corn syrup delivery systems. 

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See here's the thing: I've never really said anything about the Russia thing or conspiracies surrounding it other than some jokes once in a while. In fact, even if there was collusion, I don't even give a shit because it's pretty naive to think that this isn't a thing that has happened with every president to some degree for 100+ years.  I've definitely never said anything about Drumpf, and I also argued with Shosta that the media, even "left wing/good" media, is inherently biased and full of shit due to being owned by megacorps that influence and peddle stories based on their desires and bury stories that impact their bottom line.

So, you've literally made strawman arguments in response to me talking about you making strawman arguments

Great post, I agree with everything you said in your first paragraph.

The problem with the second paragraph is that you think I was talking about you specifically and not thebore in general. My point is and given that have a pretty healthy take on the whole situation, why insist on just banning me and not the others too given they're also obsessed with conspiracy theories?

Btw, the difference between them and me is that I link to alternative narratives to combat the bullshit avalanche of corporate media, not because I necessarily believe it. They on the other hand believe most of the bullshit they read because in their minds it has been imprinted that these sources are by default the most legitimate ones. I don't subscribe to that way of thinking, I'm justifiably suspicious of everyone.