US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[benjipwns]

why are all these Democrats running for President instead of allowing Hillary to run for her second term?

[Boredfrom]

Jeremy Corbyn has had roughly 20 times the shit flung at him and he's actually won his party leadership struggles

Given the state of politics in the UK, I don’t feel is something to brag about...

[benjipwns]

Blocking Iranian Government Property
Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction
Prohibiting Transactions With Terrorists Who Threaten To Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process
Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources
Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers
Declaration of a National Emergency and Invocation of Emergency Authority Relating to the Regulation of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels
Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions With Sudan
Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans
Continuation of Export Control Regulations
Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks
Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions With Persons Who Commit, Threaten To Commit, or Support Terrorism
Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe
Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq Has an Interest
Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting the Export of Certain Goods to Syria
Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus
Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions
Continuing Certain Restrictions With Respect to North Korea and North Korean Nationals
Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia
Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya
Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations
Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen
Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine
Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan
Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic
Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela
Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities
Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi
Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption
Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election
Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Nicaragua
Declaring a National Emergency Concerning the Southern Border of the United States

Yeah, maybe it's a good thing to draw some attention to how this power grant by Congress is being used.

[Joe Molotov]

Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks

You know the ones.

[benjipwns]

One of the never terminated ones that led to the 1976 Act is when Nixon declared a national emergency in 1970 in response to a wildcat strike by postal workers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._postal_strike_of_1970

[Nola]

I saw a more detailed list earlier, and while some are perhaps questionable, it's pretty clear that Trump's use, coupled with his public admissions of it not being any sort of emergency at all, is far outside the realm of it's established use and that McConnell for once is probably right that a court ruling in Trump's favor opens the door for Democrat's to use it on all manner of issues.

[benjipwns]

while some are perhaps questionable

They pretty much all are. No President or Congress should be renewing annually a "national emergency" regarding a defunct oil company's attempt at a business deal with Iran in 1995: https://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/15/us/oil-concern-ends-a-deal-with-iran-as-president-acts.html

A big American oil company said today that it would not proceed with its agreement to develop two large offshore oilfields for Iran after the White House announced that President Clinton would issue a directive barring all such transactions.

The step by Conoco Inc. ended an energy deal that would have been the first involving Iran and the United States since Washington severed relations with Teheran in 1980. It came after eight days of debate within the Administration about how and whether to block an agreement that top deputies to Mr. Clinton acknowledged was legal but said could undermine American efforts to isolate Iran.

In announcing Mr. Clinton's decision this morning to block such oil-development agreements, the White House said the President was trying to set an example for American allies and was also trying to prevent Iran from accumulating wealth that could make it more dangerous to its neighbors.

"We need to send a clear and unequivocal message," Michael D. McCurry, the White House spokesman, said. "There cannot be normal relations until Iran's unacceptable behavior changes."

It's not like it's a power that they aren't aware they can clean up. Both Clinton and Obama issued and withdrew "national emergencies" (for Haiti and H1N1) during the same year. Bush and Obama both terminated "national emergencies" relating to countries that weren't problems or didn't exist anymore (Yugoslavia, Sierra Leone, Cote d'Ivoire) and Obama even cancelled a nearly 20 year old one against Burma (Myanmar).

[Mandark]

Trump: I'm gonna build a big fuckin' monument to racism!

Neurotypicals: Hm I don't like the sound of that.

liberatarians: Guys this is a great opportunity to talk about the real issue... procedural minutiae!

[benjipwns]

Trump: I'm gonna build a big fuckin' monument to racism!

Neurotypicals: Hm I don't like the sound of that.

liberatarians: Guys this is a great opportunity to talk about the real issue... procedural minutiae!

You actually posted this.

[benjipwns]

Cowardly Mandark is so afraid of his racket in Belarus being undermined that he rushes in to defend President Trump.

[team filler]

Trump: I'm gonna build a big fuckin' monument to racism!

Neurotypicals: Hm I don't like the sound of that.

liberatarians: Guys this is a great opportunity to talk about the real issue... procedural minutiae!

posted this with the wrong account sweaty 

[Himu]

Thanks for not campaigning is Wisconsin, Hilary.

thanks for rigging the primary, DNC! (Image removed from quote.)

Hahaha, no. The guy didn't have enough votes. Simple.

[Mandark]

damn I got filler in his feelings

[benjipwns]

I'm not saying to ignore the wall, I obviously oppose it as I have in all the instances of this for four years, I was just noting them all because conservative media is using the talking point of THERE ARE TONS OF THESE, OBAMA DID IT and even Trump mentioned they're using an Obama one against Cartels in writing theirs (which is wrong it's a Clinton one) that we obviously and clearly can all agree to actually look at these because they're bullshit too and perhaps it's time for some great bipartisanship to repeal probably something like 170 of the 180 "powers" the President is allowed through these. Along with cancelling pretty much all of them except perhaps the ones that Trump has issued as he's the sitting President. (The last four on the list are Trump.)

[Mandark]

Republicans saying "but Obama!" isn't convincing anyone, bipartisanship's not going to happen, and no1curr anyways.

[benjipwns]

I think we accidentally have our roles reversed.

[benjipwns]

[Mandark]

Nah, I'm saying racism's a bigger problem than executive branch creep, you're taking the other side. We're in our usual corners here.

[benjipwns]

I'm not sure reducing the specifics of Trump's invoking "national emergency" powers to partly fund a border wall to "racism is a problem" is going to lead to best practices.

[Nola]

while some are perhaps questionable

They pretty much all are. No President or Congress should be renewing annually a "national emergency" regarding a defunct oil company's attempt at a business deal with Iran in 1995: https://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/15/us/oil-concern-ends-a-deal-with-iran-as-president-acts.html

A big American oil company said today that it would not proceed with its agreement to develop two large offshore oilfields for Iran after the White House announced that President Clinton would issue a directive barring all such transactions.

The step by Conoco Inc. ended an energy deal that would have been the first involving Iran and the United States since Washington severed relations with Teheran in 1980. It came after eight days of debate within the Administration about how and whether to block an agreement that top deputies to Mr. Clinton acknowledged was legal but said could undermine American efforts to isolate Iran.

In announcing Mr. Clinton's decision this morning to block such oil-development agreements, the White House said the President was trying to set an example for American allies and was also trying to prevent Iran from accumulating wealth that could make it more dangerous to its neighbors.

"We need to send a clear and unequivocal message," Michael D. McCurry, the White House spokesman, said. "There cannot be normal relations until Iran's unacceptable behavior changes."

It's not like it's a power that they aren't aware they can clean up. Both Clinton and Obama issued and withdrew "national emergencies" (for Haiti and H1N1) during the same year. Bush and Obama both terminated "national emergencies" relating to countries that weren't problems or didn't exist anymore (Yugoslavia, Sierra Leone, Cote d'Ivoire) and Obama even cancelled a nearly 20 year old one against Burma (Myanmar).

Perhaps, not enough of a constitutional scholar to try and dig in with a position on that.. My only commentary is it's pretty convincing that after surveying the history of the power's use that Trump's invocation and surrounding behavior deviates pretty notably from past invocations and that if the courts uphold it as valid, people seem right to think that it would unavoidably establish a pretty expansive precedent both legally and normatively.

[benjipwns]

[Mandark]

I'm not sure reducing the specifics of Trump's invoking "national emergency" powers to partly fund a border wall to "racism is a problem" is going to lead to best practices.

Best practices would be the Dems giving him funding for the wall like you thought they should've?

[Mr Gilhaney]

Caring new page post.
Go here for all the good stuff

LMAO

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1096485376087097344

this is amazing

[curly]

Not even mad, I deserve it. But you have to at least like my post about Matt Christman.

Not until he stops playing footsie with Maoist Third Worldism and fully embraces it

[benjipwns]

Sad Romney Cam

[benjipwns]

The only national emergency is that our president is an idiot

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1096471147804164096

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1096317175277576192

[benjipwns]

CBS posted a transcript Friday afternoon of the conversation between former acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe and host Scott Pelley about alleged discussions in the Department of Justice concerning invoking the 25th Amendment to remove President Donald Trump from office.


Earlier on Friday, McCabe’s spokesperson said that McCabe did not ever “participate in any extended discussions about the use of the 25th Amendment, nor is he aware of any such discussions.”

The statement followed reporting that McCabe told CBS that top officials at the Justice Department discussed whether cabinet members would support invoking the 25th Amendment shortly before special counsel Robert Mueller was appointed. That conversation was not included in the short clip of the interview released Thursday, but Pelley referenced it on air.

Here’s the portion of the transcript released by CBS on Friday:

ANDREW MCCABE: Discussion of the 25th Amendment was, was simply Rod raised the issue and discussed it with me in the context of thinking about how many other cabinet officials might support such an effort.

SCOTT PELLEY: Rosenstein was actually openly talking about whether there was a majority of the cabinet who would vote to remove the president.

MCCABE: That’s correct. Counting votes or possible votes.

PELLEY: What seemed to be coursing through the mind of the deputy attorney general was getting rid of the president of the United States–

MCCABE: –Well–

PELLEY: –One way or another.

MCCABE: I can’t confirm that.  But what I can say is the deputy attorney general was definitely very concerned about the president, about his capacity and about his intent at that point in time.

PELLEY: How did he bring up the idea of the 25th Amendment to you?

MCCABE: Honestly, I don’t remember. He– it was just another kinda topic that he jumped to in the midst of– of– of a wide-ranging conversation.

[benjipwns]

Mandark's favorite Tucker takes on shosta's favorite foreign policy experts: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-are-these-professional-war-peddlers-still-around-tucker-carlson-max-boot-bill-kristol/

The International Institute for Strategic Studies, an influential British think tank, describes Boot as one of the “world’s leading authorities on armed conflict.”


None of this, it turns out, means anything. The professional requirements for being one ofthe world’s Leading Authorities on Armed Conflict do not include relevant experience with armed conflict. Leading authorities on the subject don’t need a track record of wise assessments or accurate predictions. All that’s required are the circular recommendations of fellow credential holders. If other Leading Authorities on Armed Conflict induct you into their ranks, you’re in. That’s good news for Max Boot.

...

Days later, Boot wrote a separate piece for Commentary magazine calling for American bombing of Iran. It was a busy week, even by the standards of a Leading Authority on Armed Conflict. Boot conceded that “it remains a matter of speculation what Iran would do in the wake of such strikes.” He didn’t seem worried.

Listed in one place, Boot’s many calls for U.S.-led war around the world come off as a parody of mindless warlike noises, something you might write if you got mad at a country while drunk. (“I’ll invade you!!!”) Republicans in Washington didn’t find any of it amusing. They were impressed. Boot became a top foreign policy adviser to John McCain’s presidential campaign in 2008, to Mitt Romney in 2012, and to Marco Rubio in 2016.

Everything changed when Trump won the Republican nomination. Trump had never heard of the International Institute for Strategic Studies. He had no idea Max Boot was a Leading Authority on Armed Conflict.

...

Under ordinary circumstances, Bill Kristol would be famous for being wrong. Kristol still goes on television regularly, but it’s not to apologize for the many demonstrably untrue things he’s said about the Middle East, or even to talk about foreign policy. Instead, Kristol goes on TV to attack Donald Trump.

[Himu]

I love her accent.

[Himu]

Speaking of State of the State, Abbot says he wants increase school funding but over here in blue bonnet land, property tax goes towards school funds. A local issue is that property tax is starting to get too high thanks to the school tax and not all people are for it. Many are trying to get active to try to find ways to deter education funding beyond a tax.

It's a big issue rn. What's a big local issue for the rest of y'all?

[agrajag]

Don't know if I'm ready for woke Coulter.

[chronovore]

Don't know if I'm ready for woke Coulter.

I don't think it's a state she can achieve.

[Joe Molotov]

Don't know if I'm ready for woke Coulter.

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1096488387505242112

[Himu]

I"m not ready for this new Ann

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1096531669543051264

[benjipwns]

It's the same old Ann, she's always delighted in calling conservative men pussies for not being as hardline as her.

It's one part of her act that I totally believe.

[Tripon]

I don't know what it says that woke politics and being mad politics sound like the same thing.

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1096506446655549440

[Boredfrom]

Don't know if I'm ready for woke Coulter.

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1096488387505242112

I feel the Onion has a funny political writter and other that doesnt know what satire is:

https://politics.theonion.com/trump-offers-clear-historical-precedent-for-deploying-1832659857

[benjipwns]

I feel the Onion has a funny political writter and other that doesnt know what satire is:

https://politics.theonion.com/trump-offers-clear-historical-precedent-for-deploying-1832659857

look it's been a hard few years for us practitioners, we're still finding our footing in the new world bequeathed us

[Nintex]

Ann figured out what other "conservative voices" like Sarah Palin didn't. Trump took off with their base.
It'll be interesting to see if her followers stick with her in this fight against Trump or turn against her.

[benjipwns]

No, it won't.

[Nintex]

Between having Alex Jones banned, Roger Stone gagged and Manafort and Flynn arrested Trump really did a lot to fight extreme right hate speech.

[benjipwns]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/trump-emergency-declaration-contemptuous-of-rule-of-law/

kurtpiper
1 hour ago
David French is contemptuous of the emergency on our border.

Does he lock his door at night? Does his house have walls? The answers are yes and yes.

America is entitled to walls and locked doors, too, even if most of Congress apparently wants our Country to be flooded by foreigners who have not been vetted for criminal backgrounds, disease, or whether America needs them.

Digimatt
1 hour ago
Absolutely everything about the enforcement of our immigration laws for the last 30 years has been "contemptuous of the rule of law". At least Trump's making an effort to solve a problem that the American people overwhelming want solved; and that our so-called representatives of both parties have been unwilling to solve because it suits their political interests not to.

kurtpiper
49 minutes ago
 (Edited)
Exactly.

What was DACA but contempt for the law.

What was the unwillingness of Clinton, Bush, and Obama to spend the money appropriated for border security on border security but contempt for the law.

What are sanctuary States and cities expressing if not contempt for the law.

JP88
46 minutes ago
Sorry David, John Yoo has the better of the argument.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/trump-border-wall-emergency-declaration-legal-likely-upheld/

wordsone
29 minutes ago
Thank you for your article, but I respectfully disagree. There is indeed a crisis on the border that has been ruefully ignored by presidents since the 1980s. It is not a politically-safe problem to solve, so all the others put bandaids on it to keep their political stature intact. As someone who lives back east you don’t have the perspective of someone who actually lives in the nation’s largest state of Texas, but I do. An illegal immigrant ran into me in an auto accident many years ago. Nothing serious, but it left an impression as I realized he had no insurance, license and I called the police who came to assist and detain. It is a real problem for law abiding citizens.

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wait till this guy finds out how many NATURAL BORN AMERICANS are driving around without insurance or a license

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or that Alaska is bigger

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[agrajag]

Between having Alex Jones banned, Roger Stone gagged and Manafort and Flynn arrested Trump really did a lot to fight extreme right hate speech.

reverse Q?

[benjipwns]

http://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/capitol-police-crackdown-press-escalates-physical-altercation

A Capitol Police crackdown turned physical Thursday afternoon, when officers clashed with reporters attempting to speak with senators in a location known as key territory for lawmakers and media to mix: the Senate basement.

Capitol Police officers physically shoved reporters away from senators heading to vote on the spending package, even when lawmakers were willingly engaging with the press.

Officers surrounded lawmakers and escorted them, physically blocking reporters from walking and talking alongside senators. It is common for Capitol Police to be present in the basement during a vote, but there were many more officers on hand than usual.

“It got really ugly,” said Paul McLeod, a BuzzFeed immigration reporter who witnessed the escalation.

“It was insane, people were getting shoved into walls,” McLeod said. “It was unsustainable. It was violent.”

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/AnnetteGH86/status/1096511963079749632

trump made coulter's twitter great again!


ETA until trump retweets the "I fucked ann coulter up the ass" thing?

[agrajag]

http://www.rollcall.com/news/congress/capitol-police-crackdown-press-escalates-physical-altercation

A Capitol Police crackdown turned physical Thursday afternoon, when officers clashed with reporters attempting to speak with senators in a location known as key territory for lawmakers and media to mix: the Senate basement.

Capitol Police officers physically shoved reporters away from senators heading to vote on the spending package, even when lawmakers were willingly engaging with the press.

Officers surrounded lawmakers and escorted them, physically blocking reporters from walking and talking alongside senators. It is common for Capitol Police to be present in the basement during a vote, but there were many more officers on hand than usual.

“It got really ugly,” said Paul McLeod, a BuzzFeed immigration reporter who witnessed the escalation.

“It was insane, people were getting shoved into walls,” McLeod said. “It was unsustainable. It was violent.”

lock them up!

[benjipwns]

Roger Stone gagged

Roger Stone remains free to talk about Robert Mueller and the Russia investigation, just not in and around the Washington, D.C., courthouse where the longtime Donald Trump associate is fighting the special counsel’s charges he lied to Congress and obstructed its Russia investigation.

[agrajag]

help I'm being gaslighted by the Dutch fake news apparatus

[benjipwns]

don't worry I've issued a gag order on him making any kind of comment from within the International Tribunal at The Hague

[team filler]

 

[benjipwns]

NINTEX, BLUE COAT ON TULSI

[Himu]

Tulsi is my favorite pick for 2020 so far. I am liking her A LOT.

And those silver streaks in her hair? Girl. Dios mio.

[benjipwns]

her polling has exploded over the last two weeks, in the Politico/Morning Consult poll she's gone from 0% to 1% that's an infinite increase

[Himu]

her polling has exploded over the last two weeks, in the Politico/Morning Consult poll she's gone from 0% to 1% that's an infinite increase

I have a talent for riding for politicians that lose. Bring it!

[Himu]

Did you read this, Shosta?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/paloma/the-trailer/2019/02/12/the-trailer-tulsi-gabbard-finds-her-people-in-iowa/5c6222481b326b71858c6b53/?utm_term=.9df6fb6b4fd1

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/m_millsey/status/1096521317279584256

Michael Edward Mills (born December 17, 1958) is an American multi-instrumentalist, singer, and composer who was a founding member of the alternative rock band R.E.M.

[Tripon]

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/15/mueller-manafort-sentencing-1173314

Robert Mueller’s team told a federal judge Friday that federal guidelines call for Paul Manafort to get as long as 24-and-a-half years in prison for his conviction last summer for financial malfeasance.

The special counsel’s submission is the opening move in what will be a two-step sentencing process for the 69-year-old former Trump campaign chairman, who appears to be on track to spend the rest of his life in prison absent a presidential pardon.

President Trump would be crazy to try to pardon Manafort now.

[Nola]

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1096530844548849664

If I didn't know better, or I was Nintex, I would suspect this is a semi-savvy executive understanding the importance of massaging the egos of the political gatekeepers of his party.... and not just a dotty old racist rambling like a talk radio addicted elderly uncle from Enid, Oklahoma with a damaged prefrontal cortex that somehow won the presidency because the country is a quarter moron and a quarter apathetic shitheel.

[Great Rumbler]

Given what we know of his TV-watching habits, I'm leaning towards the latter.