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« Reply #31200 on: February 06, 2019, 09:41:30 AM »
Will we get another round of republican interviews whining that the dems didn't stand and clap when they did?

Republicans are using “democrats support infantcide by not clapping” already on twitter

This is also how the republicans are emotionally manipulative. They use drama from the SOTU to make cases. “See? Nancy didn’t clap when Trump said there was a record low for minority unemployment, so you really the democrats care about minorities? They’re using you.” When, really, it’s just politics. She’s not clapping because Trump is pretending he’s the reason for the economic growth and he’s using minorities as a way of showing,”see? We care about you. Have a bone.”

This is what happens when you have a media and nation that focus more on the opera theater show of politics and less on policy. It makes people think shit like that matters and the republicans try to take advantage of it by being emotionally manipulative.

https://twitter.com/stevescalise/status/1093156020967391233

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« Reply #31201 on: February 06, 2019, 09:54:49 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/18/why-fear-is-more-prevalent-and-powerful-among-conservatives/?utm_term=.11ec5ba86126

That’s not to say democrats don’t manipulate emotionally. It’s just not their bread and butter besides an extreme wing of the party (the Reset Era crowd). Republicans however have mastered it.
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« Reply #31202 on: February 06, 2019, 10:39:35 AM »
The culture wars, authoritarianism, and opportunistically cribbing leftist rhetoric are pretty much all the Republican party has settled on as a base of appeal since intellectual neo-conservatism went out of vogue and they realized libertarianism might make the rich people they actually serve feel better but normal people they rely on to get elected start getting a bit pissy when you want to take their healthcare away based on some convoluted morality principle.

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« Reply #31203 on: February 06, 2019, 11:07:09 AM »
Will we get another round of republican interviews whining that the dems didn't stand and clap when they did?

Republicans are using “democrats support infantcide by not clapping” already on twitter

This is also how the republicans are emotionally manipulative. They use drama from the SOTU to make cases. “See? Nancy didn’t clap when Trump said there was a record low for minority unemployment, so you really the democrats care about minorities? They’re using you.” When, really, it’s just politics. She’s not clapping because Trump is pretending he’s the reason for the economic growth and he’s using minorities as a way of showing,”see? We care about you. Have a bone.”

This is what happens when you have a media and nation that focus more on the opera theater show of politics and less on policy. It makes people think shit like that matters and the republicans try to take advantage of it by being emotionally manipulative.

https://twitter.com/stevescalise/status/1093156020967391233

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« Reply #31204 on: February 06, 2019, 11:46:03 AM »
 :drudge

Liam Neeson had more than one accomplice


https://twitter.com/MarkHerringVA/status/1093187229533519872


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« Reply #31206 on: February 06, 2019, 12:42:56 PM »
"Born alive during abortion."  :neogaf

To be fair, that describes how Resetera came to be
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« Reply #31207 on: February 06, 2019, 01:15:03 PM »
AOC did not clap during prison reform. She did also not clap during military is now biggest and greatest.

I think we've found Putin's new gal  :thinking
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« Reply #31208 on: February 06, 2019, 02:05:03 PM »
This is the worst thing about SOTU. “He/she clapped/didn’t clap at this/that” as if it means anything when it’s all theater and you actually think them clapping indicative of their actual views. They’re calling bluffs and grandstanding here. This has virtually nothing to do with policy. SOTU is for political fuckery, not substance.
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« Reply #31210 on: February 06, 2019, 02:34:51 PM »
I like how when Trump entered Congress there was this sort of luke warm half hearted applause.
You could almost hear the Super Deluxe horn in the background.

Also fun to note how Tifanny Trump was the most excited out of the Trump family.
The others looked like they attended a funeral and one of the grandkids even fell asleep.
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« Reply #31211 on: February 06, 2019, 02:42:01 PM »
I applauded the SOTU for being different. IT BROKE NEW GROUND!
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« Reply #31212 on: February 06, 2019, 02:48:40 PM »
Between Transhuman in the shitbin thread and Windex today, I really can't stand foreign commentary on one of our worst ceremonies made even more gauche last night by the asshole currently squatting on the presidency. It sucks to be an American. Put that in my file, I don't care.
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« Reply #31213 on: February 06, 2019, 02:54:05 PM »
*jots down some notes in the file*

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« Reply #31214 on: February 06, 2019, 02:55:00 PM »
I guess you don't CHOOSE GREATNESS then.

Can't have results when there is resistance and div...ision at home. So true.

 
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« Reply #31215 on: February 06, 2019, 03:01:52 PM »
I can't wait to watch the Dutch equivalent of the SOTU address and then make a bunch of borderline distinguished mentally-challenged posts to show everyone how stupid I am


Ours is way more classy  :snob
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« Reply #31216 on: February 06, 2019, 03:09:12 PM »
only 21 minutes pfffft weak, no stamina

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« Reply #31217 on: February 06, 2019, 03:10:04 PM »
not a single USA chant in the whole video, garbage

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« Reply #31218 on: February 06, 2019, 03:13:13 PM »
Why does your leader sit in a chair that makes him look like a toddler
The King sits on a throne moddeled after the one Filiips de Goede had in the 1400's or so they say.

I believe the seat is large because all our queens are thicc and this makes them look thinner.
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« Reply #31219 on: February 06, 2019, 03:14:41 PM »
all thicc women are queens :lawd

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« Reply #31220 on: February 06, 2019, 03:17:47 PM »
I believe the seat is large because all our queens are thicc and this makes them look thinner.
Gonna have to agree with this one, Queen Máxima is one fine latina
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« Reply #31221 on: February 06, 2019, 03:29:07 PM »
I used to love watching the SOTU.

Under Bush, it was all about the drinking games. Drink every time he pronounced a word wrong. He did it often enough that you'd get drunk, but you wouldnt die.

With Obama, it was all about the hopium.

Now, why would I waste my precious time watching an orange lard bucket speak?
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« Reply #31222 on: February 06, 2019, 03:39:04 PM »
I can't wait to watch the Dutch equivalent of the SOTU address and then make a bunch of borderline distinguished mentally-challenged posts to show everyone how stupid I am


Ours is way more classy  :snob
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« Reply #31223 on: February 06, 2019, 03:46:12 PM »
I like the civic ritual of the SOTU.

It doesn't matter much, but typically you can at least get a sense of what issues the president wants to give priority, which constituencies are important enough to get shout-outs, etc. With Trump it's all extra meaningless because he has the brain of an infant and won't remember any of this within a week.

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« Reply #31224 on: February 06, 2019, 03:46:14 PM »
I can't wait to watch the Dutch equivalent of the SOTU address and then make a bunch of borderline distinguished mentally-challenged posts to show everyone how stupid I am


Ours is way more classy  :snob
comments turned off  ::)
Insulting the king is actually forbidden by law.  :cop
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« Reply #31225 on: February 06, 2019, 04:01:39 PM »
Poliera, November 2018: Virginia is deep blue baby! The progressive wave is here!

Virginia Democrats, February 2019:

Democrat Governor: They call me coonman and I wear blackface, often

Poliera: Boo, throw him out! Let's get the Lt Governor in, he's a black man so we know hes good!

Democrat  Lt Governor: I rape the ladies

Poliera: Boo, throw him out! Let's get the Attorney General in. What could possibly go wrong.

Democrat Attorney General: I also enjoy blackface



Why is Poliera is bad at things
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« Reply #31226 on: February 06, 2019, 04:06:08 PM »
So does Northam have dirt on everyone in the line of succession or what?

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« Reply #31227 on: February 06, 2019, 04:10:45 PM »
shit in the shit thread please

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« Reply #31228 on: February 06, 2019, 04:38:51 PM »
shit in the shit thread please

But politics is the shit thread.

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So does Northam have dirt on everyone in the line of succession or what?

Lincoln should have nuked the south
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« Reply #31229 on: February 06, 2019, 04:46:17 PM »
Here's the transcript of the whole thing if you missed it:

The state of the union is STRONG
1000's of women on the border RAPED AND MURDERED EVERY DAY
More women in the work force than ever before
USA USA USA
A PHYSICAL BARRIER A WALL AND SECURITY
Inferasetrcutre
AIDS
We will defeat AIDS at home and abroad
MANY CHILDHOOD CANCERS
execute a baby after birth
State of the art missile system
WE WOULD BE IN A MAJOR WAR WITH NORTH KOREA IF NOT FOR ME
socialism
BOOOOO
USA USA USA USA
*camera cuts to sad Bernie*
jerusalem
great nations do not fight endless wars
BLOOD THIRSTY MONSTERS
the taliban
iran a radical, radical regime
BAD BAD THINGS
synagoge
the nazi concentration camps
happy birthday to you "GREAT" happy birthday to you
THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT FOR ME
the train screeched
IT'S THE AMERICANS IT'S THE AMERICANS
dachau a whole in wall
TANKS
Hermann liberated Dachau
THAT HELL ON EARTH
d-day 1944
Everything that has come since
I'm asking you to choose GREATNESS

Most terrified look on their faces: The Generals

I might've missed some stuff because I was doing other things as well but that was pretty much it.
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« Reply #31230 on: February 06, 2019, 04:47:50 PM »
Holy shit Ive been making this point for years and it was stolen from me

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Before we all go “why are they doing this?” the reason that they are doing it is CNN is owned and managed by very rich people who derive concrete material benefits from Donald Trump winning the election.
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1093239917545775106


I tried for YEARS to get it into the thick skulls of liberals that US media is not your friend because it all feeds into a small group of very rich and very white men who benefit from GOP policies.

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« Reply #31231 on: February 06, 2019, 05:18:15 PM »
"liberals never complained about the news media until I told them it was bad"

buddy...

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« Reply #31232 on: February 06, 2019, 05:20:11 PM »
"liberals never complained about the news media until I told them it was bad"

buddy...

They complained that 'cnn is getting played' or 'why did nyt make this mistake'.

They can't see that it's intentional
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« Reply #31233 on: February 06, 2019, 05:31:34 PM »
Not everything is an elaborate plot. Especially when you have thousands of individual actors with their own agendas involved.

National media centered in NYC/DC does massive coverage comparatively of the weather there versus practically none for the rest of the country outside of hurricanes since they're multi-day stories with good visuals. That's not some kind of sinister agenda.

Trump coverage was and is good business in multiple ways. Schultz coverage offers a lot of the same, not even out of any kind of ideological lean but simply from something like "THE GUY WHO MAKES YOUR COFFEE WANTS TO BE...PRESIDENT?!?!?"

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« Reply #31234 on: February 06, 2019, 05:42:16 PM »
There's also a cultural connection factor, Schultz's story connects with the culture in the higher media in ways that many others wouldn't. People like David Brooks and Thomas Friedman are drawn to it, and that sets interest levels higher because "the proper people" are discussing it.

Another example is the recent trend of writing stories reporting on people drinking weird things, it's a "thing" in the culture of media people right now, so it seems like everyone is doing it.

The media has limited resources, limited information, etc. so it always always hues to staight-forward narratives because it's unfortunately the best allocation of their resources despite the fact that everyone complains about it.

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« Reply #31236 on: February 06, 2019, 05:51:38 PM »
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Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) apologized repeatedly on Wednesday for identifying as American Indian on her Texas State Bar registration card, but she also suggested that it might not be the only document on which she labeled herself as such.

But the Texas Bar registration raises new questions of whether there are any other documents on which she claimed to be Native American. When asked on Wednesday whether there were, Warren reiterated that she filled out paperwork at the time in line with the family stories she grew up with.

“So all I know is during this time period, this is consistent with what I did because it was based on my understanding from my family's stories,“ Warren said on Wednesday. “But family stories are not the same as tribal citizenship.“

When a reporter asked Warren whether she would drop out of the presidential race, she said, “Thank you,” and walked away.
no word in this story on what color her jacket was

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« Reply #31237 on: February 06, 2019, 05:52:29 PM »
that got added as a bore emote?

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« Reply #31238 on: February 06, 2019, 05:59:11 PM »
that got added as a bore emote?

huh

Give us surprised Pikachu you cowards
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« Reply #31239 on: February 06, 2019, 06:10:30 PM »


They complained that 'cnn is getting played' or 'why did nyt make this mistake'.

They can't see that it's intentional

Every mistake isn't a conspiracy, but tbh the only people that I have ever met that think the broadcast and major print news media as a whole are motivated allies of the left are conservatives.

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« Reply #31240 on: February 06, 2019, 06:18:38 PM »
I like how Warren keeps repeating: "I believed the stories of my family" as if she's somehow more qualified to be President because she shared her home with a bunch of crackpots who thought they were natives.
Also everyone had forgotten about this until she did that dumb DNA test.  :doge
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« Reply #31241 on: February 06, 2019, 06:27:27 PM »
https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1092966357514108928

FACT CHECK: she also avoided the fat guy in the second row who awkwardly stood up just to shake her hand and had to sit his ass back down dejected.

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« Reply #31244 on: February 06, 2019, 06:33:37 PM »
When I read Bernard Goldberg's opus Bias eons ago, I always felt many of his personal examples could have an alternate explanation of him and his editors simply disagreeing on what were the most interesting or more important parts of a story. Obviously personal bias plays a role in that, but it's not necessarily malicious, or worse, conspiratorial, for two or more people to come to the same story/information and reach different opinions on what parts are the ones that need to go into a limited word/time story.

I think a lot of the "bias" in the "mainstream media" stems from this more than it probably does a deliberate enforced line of thinking. A lot of it is more sins of omission in that it simply doesn't catch the journalists eye or interest.

Although I also don't really have an issue with Fox leaning on conservative organizations/Republican politicians and MSNBC leaning on progressive organizations/Democratic politicians as guests/sources/etc. But then I've never bought the mythology of a once "independent and objective" journalism that reported "just the facts ma'am" in a 15 minute nightly newscast either.

Really, compared to historically, our modern "press", including someplace like Fox News, bends over backwards to present itself as trying to be objective when it really could just completely ignore the idea and be just fine. (And often does, but is still careful to present it as "commentary" or something.) The roots of the American press is in party/government-paid sinecures to pay for propagandist broadsheets.

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« Reply #31245 on: February 06, 2019, 06:50:47 PM »
"This thing is more historically recent than most people realize."

So?

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« Reply #31246 on: February 06, 2019, 07:09:22 PM »
I'm having a Mandark-esque reaction to reading this latest Benji post. Ignoring for a second that cable news isn't really important and is only another entertainment industry, if literally every journalistic entity decided to abandon the principle of objectivity as even just a nominally important goal in their reportage, that is not a neutral change in our society, nor is it a harmless development in news itself. That can really only be the opinion of someone who has resigned themselves to living for the lol's.
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« Reply #31247 on: February 06, 2019, 07:19:25 PM »
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« Reply #31250 on: February 06, 2019, 07:48:29 PM »
it's Bernie Sanders, with a wheel chair
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« Reply #31252 on: February 06, 2019, 09:41:26 PM »
that got added as a bore emote?

huh

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« Reply #31253 on: February 06, 2019, 11:35:55 PM »
I'm having a Mandark-esque reaction to reading this latest Benji post. Ignoring for a second that cable news isn't really important and is only another entertainment industry, if literally every journalistic entity decided to abandon the principle of objectivity as even just a nominally important goal in their reportage, that is not a neutral change in our society, nor is it a harmless development in news itself. That can really only be the opinion of someone who has resigned themselves to living for the lol's.
Except you're making the presumption that journalistic entities operated on a principle of objectivity in the past. They didn't. They can't. There's an inherent bias simply in what is chosen to cover. The notion of any kind of objectivity is a recent phenomenon (perhaps by journalism schools??) but has been taken up so quickly than even openly biased outlets like Fox and MSNBC do more than pay fealty to it, they emphasize how hard they do.

The recent rise of the "fact check" industry is not objective at all, it only selective targets certain "facts" and even then almost always selects certain answers even in grey areas. It's another form of opinion/analysis/commentary/etc. dressed up as objectivity. But that's fine and serves a useful purpose even if imperfect.

My argument was not that "to sit back and enjoy the lulz" but that you should never pretend that journalism is objective in its aims and goals. It's human. The simple fact that they organize stories in an order means they're telling you what they think is most important to least important. This may not be the case. How many articles, news articles, have the pertinent details "below the fold" and how many include irrelevant "background" information to frame the story. One of the Washington Post articles on Northam's press conference included four whole paragraphs recounting the Charlottesville attack. Why? To frame it as a sensitive topic in the state of Virginia obstinately. Or create some kind of "greater" narrative, one it then drops to continue talking about Northam's yearbook. Why not recount the formation of the Army of Northern Virginia and the Siege of Richmond? How about the state's celebration of Mount Vernon and Monticello?

There's nothing wrong with trying to hold the press to an objective standard, but there is I think a problem in expecting one. The press has never been objective, it's more objective, collectively, now than it arguably ever has been due to competition and self-critique, but no individual component can or ever will be. And it's somewhat silly to assume that agenda is controlled top-down by shadowy forces, when individuals are already so willing on their own or together to chase their own agendas and interests with their journalism.

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« Reply #31254 on: February 06, 2019, 11:41:43 PM »
oh benji

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« Reply #31255 on: February 06, 2019, 11:47:58 PM »
what breh, these are the original posts, along with shosta's, that I'm replying to here:
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Holy shit Ive been making this point for years and it was stolen from me

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Before we all go “why are they doing this?” the reason that they are doing it is CNN is owned and managed by very rich people who derive concrete material benefits from Donald Trump winning the election.

I tried for YEARS to get it into the thick skulls of liberals that US media is not your friend because it all feeds into a small group of very rich and very white men who benefit from GOP policies.
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They complained that 'cnn is getting played' or 'why did nyt make this mistake'.

They can't see that it's intentional

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« Reply #31256 on: February 06, 2019, 11:54:26 PM »
yes I read his bad posts

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« Reply #31257 on: February 06, 2019, 11:57:32 PM »
People are mad that Howard Schultz is giving people another week of material for people to dunk him on it.

The guy is bad at making public speeches, and CNN is giving him 2 hours of making him look like a fool. The more he talks, the more I'm wondering how the hell he was able to make Starbucks into a nation wide chain. Schultz fumbles gimmes like the question which two presidents he most admires the last 50 years, there no way in hell he's going to be able to hide with 2 hours of regular people asking him questions that call him on his shit.

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« Reply #31258 on: February 07, 2019, 12:16:47 AM »
edit: having a rough day
« Last Edit: February 07, 2019, 12:26:45 AM by shosta »
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| America: A Yum! Brands affiliate
« Reply #31259 on: February 07, 2019, 12:23:33 AM »
don't do it, shosta is not worth it