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« Reply #3960 on: February 27, 2017, 05:08:33 PM »
A well-done strip steak and a bottle of your finest imported catsup, my good man. :snob
when will we have a President with the courage to order a milk steak boiled over hard with a side of the finest jelly beans, raw

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« Reply #3961 on: February 27, 2017, 05:17:21 PM »
Flesh tearers.  :holeup

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« Reply #3962 on: February 27, 2017, 05:45:11 PM »
Flesh tearers.  :holeup

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« Reply #3963 on: February 27, 2017, 05:46:09 PM »
Flesh tearers.  :holeup

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« Reply #3964 on: February 27, 2017, 05:47:47 PM »
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« Reply #3965 on: February 27, 2017, 06:00:42 PM »
They're not just more fickle, the underlying ideology that drives both movements is dissimilar. American conservatism is resentment as politics, which is why pissing and moaning gets the 20 whatever percent of the country that decides everything for everyone to turn out again and again. Continued Republican failure to immanentize the eschaton doesn't drive them away, it just makes them more and more resentful, and more and more lockstep. In contrast, even the most insufferable wonk aspires to (more often than not nebulous) societal betterment. Sure, that aspiration might lead to loathsome nonsense like (no strawperson) means testing the gas tax, but dude, at least it's an ethos.
I feel like this has kinda gotten far off the track of what I was saying lol. Not that I really disagree with this assessment of the American right, though I think it is a bit more complex then just that. But that is certainly a current I see heavily on that side.

On the point I was making earlier. It would be presumptive and currently wrong to say that the Democratic strategy of hammering Trump on the Russian connections has been a failure or will be a failure. That really, "whining" from the perspective of one person is not necessarily how the message or strategy is felt by its intended audience. That is setting aside how ridiculously stupid it is to try and paint an entire election cycle based on one talking point tactic in February of 2017.

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« Reply #3966 on: February 27, 2017, 06:04:55 PM »
On another note:

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President Donald Trump noted with some exasperation Monday the complexity of the nation's health laws, which he's vowed to reform as part of a bid to scrap Obamacare.

"We have come up with a solution that's really, really I think very good," Trump said at a meeting of the nation's governors at the White House.
"Now, I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," he added. "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/trump-health-care-complicated/

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« Reply #3967 on: February 27, 2017, 06:14:31 PM »
On another note:

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President Donald Trump noted with some exasperation Monday the complexity of the nation's health laws, which he's vowed to reform as part of a bid to scrap Obamacare.

"We have come up with a solution that's really, really I think very good," Trump said at a meeting of the nation's governors at the White House.
"Now, I have to tell you, it's an unbelievably complex subject," he added. "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/trump-health-care-complicated/

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 It may be just a speech tic of President Trump's, but it also seems telling that anything he himself doesn't know is judged to be unknowable.

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« Reply #3968 on: February 27, 2017, 06:32:03 PM »
It's infurating because literally talk to ANYONE in america that has worked with healthcare companies and your head will explode from how complicated it is and this dolt is like "No one knew!" Are you kidding me? Reminds me of when the whole Obamacare thing went down and I was talking to some republicans who's whole healthcare plan was "freedom" apparently and I was trying to explain how it wouldn't work and I would know since I had worked for nearly every facet of healthcare companies and they were like "Nu-uh! It's simple!"
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« Reply #3969 on: February 27, 2017, 06:39:20 PM »
I work in Nashville, which has a huge health tech and insurance industry.  It fucking broke my brain learning about the facets in which these people had to consider when building a platform.

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« Reply #3970 on: February 27, 2017, 09:36:52 PM »


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« Reply #3971 on: February 27, 2017, 09:53:10 PM »
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« Reply #3972 on: February 27, 2017, 10:43:31 PM »
It's infurating because literally talk to ANYONE in america that has worked with healthcare companies and your head will explode from how complicated it is and this dolt is like "No one knew!" Are you kidding me? Reminds me of when the whole Obamacare thing went down and I was talking to some republicans who's whole healthcare plan was "freedom" apparently and I was trying to explain how it wouldn't work and I would know since I had worked for nearly every facet of healthcare companies and they were like "Nu-uh! It's simple!"
This is basically the narrow variation of how 95% of the conversations I have had with Republicans in the south about healthcare reform start. In order of frequency:


1.)Just get the government out the way. Thats the real problem.

2.)Obamacare ruined everything.

3.)Too many moochers raising costs.

4.)My employer insurance is great. The market works just fine.



Any one of those basically requires a minimum 10 minute explanation where a couple minutes in, the eyes just glaze over. If you even manage to get the person on the same page the next set of accumulated bullshit they have learned follows right behind almost reflexively if you at any point mention how the healthcare market will not naturally produce the results they think they will without guidance, influence, footprints and/or regulation:


 -  Well are you suggesting socialized medicine? It kinda sounds like you are suggesting socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is evil. I heard this 'fact' about Canada or England and therefore I will argue it holds true for any UHC system or country. Everything will be worse. And death panels, there will be death panels. Liberals just want the government to solve everything. People need to be responsible.


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« Reply #3973 on: February 27, 2017, 11:03:13 PM »
These Republicans should stand up and say not to worry about it because the atheist-imposed Sharia Law will ban insurance anyway.


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« Reply #3975 on: February 27, 2017, 11:53:27 PM »
most jarring thing has been seeing clips of 2009 Obama recently, it's like seeing 9/11 era W. clips

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« Reply #3976 on: February 28, 2017, 12:02:53 AM »
http://www.today.com/news/george-w-bush-opens-trump-s-war-media-russia-travel-t108627

It's surprising to find myself in agreement with W on anything. Still, it's 2017. Anything goes.


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« Reply #3978 on: February 28, 2017, 12:44:09 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/tom-udall-gorsuch-garland-scotus-plan/
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Sen. Tom Udall has an idea that could place both Judge Neil Gorsuch and Judge Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court at the same time.

The Democrat from New Mexico presented the plan Monday morning to Gorsuch, President Donald Trump's nominee for the Supreme Court, as well as to Gorsuch's team of White House aides and former Sen. Kelly Ayotte, who's been attending Gorsuch's meetings with senators.

His proposal is for Trump to meet privately with Supreme Court justices who are interested in retirement. If one of those justices decided they would be willing to retire, and if Trump promises to nominate Garland, President Barack Obama's unconfirmed former SCOTUS pick, in their place, then the retiring justice would submit a letter of resignation contingent on that promise.

Then, both Garland and Gorsuch would be voted on simultaneously.

It's a far-fetched idea, and Udall told reporters he got no response or comment from Gorsuch's team in the room. But he added that he's been talking to other senators about it.

A spokesman from Gorsuch's team did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The idea closely follows a plot line from an episode of "The West Wing" television show. In season 5, episode 17, "The Supremes," a spot on the Supreme Court opens up and the White House works out a deal with another justice to retire so they can replace him with both a liberal justice while Republicans can get their pick of a more conservative justice.


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« Reply #3980 on: February 28, 2017, 01:51:11 AM »
I read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress too.

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« Reply #3981 on: February 28, 2017, 02:36:15 AM »
Well, I mean the moon is where the soul collector antenna is, so...

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« Reply #3982 on: February 28, 2017, 04:27:57 AM »
benji, i don't know which of those last two posts is more hilarious lol
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« Reply #3983 on: February 28, 2017, 05:14:01 AM »
The smoking gun is out

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« Reply #3984 on: February 28, 2017, 05:59:13 AM »
DID YOU SAY SMOKING GUN?!?


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« Reply #3985 on: February 28, 2017, 09:37:21 AM »
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since when is AFP part of Brazzers.com?

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« Reply #3986 on: February 28, 2017, 09:54:15 AM »
Rocks dropped from the moon what the fuck?

Why do that when you can drop tungsten rods from a satellite with precision for a fraction of the effort it would take to do anything from the moon?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment


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« Reply #3987 on: February 28, 2017, 09:59:39 AM »

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She is the personification of a box of wine.

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Quote of February.
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« Reply #3988 on: February 28, 2017, 10:00:30 AM »
BRIANNA WU FOR CONGRESS
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« Reply #3989 on: February 28, 2017, 10:00:52 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/us/georgia-couple-confederate-flags-threats/

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Something tells me that 'Georgia's Street Gang Terrorism and Prevention Act' wasn't ever meant to be used against white people.
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« Reply #3990 on: February 28, 2017, 10:13:38 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/us/georgia-couple-confederate-flags-threats/

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Something tells me that 'Georgia's Street Gang Terrorism and Prevention Act' wasn't ever meant to be used against white people.

That is not me, that is not him, unless we're surrounded by our friends and have guns in our possession and encouraged by our choice to associate with hate groups. Then it's totally us.

Their defense of brandishing a gun because they are afraid for their lives when they roll up in lifted trucks with Confederate flags after shouting at the party. Good idea.
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« Reply #3991 on: February 28, 2017, 10:18:25 AM »
You know how it is, the cool kids are all out brandishing shotguns and making racist threats and you just wanna fit in.
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« Reply #3992 on: February 28, 2017, 10:18:51 AM »
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-leaks/index.html

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Trump says Obama behind leaks

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump said he believes former President Barack Obama has been behind the leaks within his administration and the sizable, angry town hall crowds Republicans have faced across the country.

Trump was asked in an interview on Fox News' "Fox and Friends" if he believed Obama was responsible for the town hall protests against Republicans this month.
"It turns out his organization seems to do a lot of these organizing to some of the protests that these Republicans are seeing around the country against you. Do you believe President Obama is behind it and if he is, is that a violation of the so-called unsaid presidents' code?" Trump was asked.
"No, I think he is behind it. I also think it is politics, that's the way it is," Trump replied.
Trump then discussed the leaks that have disrupted his first month in office.
"You never know what's exactly happening behind the scenes. You know, you're probably right or possibly right, but you never know," Trump said in the interview, a clip of which was released Monday night. "No, I think that President Obama is behind it because his people are certainly behind it. And some of the leaks possibly come from that group, which are really serious because they are very bad in terms of national security. But I also understand that is politics. In terms of him being behind things, that's politics. And it will probably continue."

Thanks Obama
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« Reply #3993 on: February 28, 2017, 10:40:00 AM »

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« Reply #3994 on: February 28, 2017, 11:11:12 AM »
What are the Rocky De La Fuente percentages?

Someone Else? C'mon.
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« Reply #3995 on: February 28, 2017, 11:50:57 AM »
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/27/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-leaks/index.html

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Trump says Obama behind leaks

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump said he believes former President Barack Obama has been behind the leaks within his administration and the sizable, angry town hall crowds Republicans have faced across the country.

Trump was asked in an interview on Fox News' "Fox and Friends" if he believed Obama was responsible for the town hall protests against Republicans this month.
"It turns out his organization seems to do a lot of these organizing to some of the protests that these Republicans are seeing around the country against you. Do you believe President Obama is behind it and if he is, is that a violation of the so-called unsaid presidents' code?" Trump was asked.
"No, I think he is behind it. I also think it is politics, that's the way it is," Trump replied.
Trump then discussed the leaks that have disrupted his first month in office.
"You never know what's exactly happening behind the scenes. You know, you're probably right or possibly right, but you never know," Trump said in the interview, a clip of which was released Monday night. "No, I think that President Obama is behind it because his people are certainly behind it. And some of the leaks possibly come from that group, which are really serious because they are very bad in terms of national security. But I also understand that is politics. In terms of him being behind things, that's politics. And it will probably continue."

Thanks Obama

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« Reply #3997 on: February 28, 2017, 01:27:13 PM »
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Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) have done this since their founding. They started from the fact that there were too many students in America who did not have equal access to education. They saw that the system wasn’t working, that there was an absence of opportunity, so they took it upon themselves to provide the solution.

HBCUs are real pioneers when it comes to school choice. They are living proof that when more options are provided to students, they are afforded greater access and greater quality. Their success has shown that more options help students flourish.

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« Reply #3999 on: February 28, 2017, 02:48:45 PM »
That's weird coming from fox news. They usually have nothing but nice things to say about Obama.
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« Reply #4000 on: February 28, 2017, 03:57:51 PM »
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« Reply #4001 on: February 28, 2017, 04:04:04 PM »
"It didn't make a whole lot of sense to me."

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« Reply #4002 on: February 28, 2017, 04:30:31 PM »
Trump's statement is moronic but I'm rolling my eyes a little bit at the PA AG.  It's up to state and local law enforcement to find and prosecute the people who are doing this shit.  Catch them and then force Trump's hand on it because without arrests and convictions he'll just dismiss it.

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« Reply #4004 on: February 28, 2017, 05:36:52 PM »
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Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) have done this since their founding. They started from the fact that there were too many students in America who did not have equal access to education. They saw that the system wasn’t working, that there was an absence of opportunity, so they took it upon themselves to provide the solution.

HBCUs are real pioneers when it comes to school choice. They are living proof that when more options are provided to students, they are afforded greater access and greater quality. Their success has shown that more options help students flourish.

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reminds me of that Bore newsfeed post about racial equality being accepted voluntarily "like in sports."
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« Reply #4006 on: February 28, 2017, 07:52:29 PM »
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Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) have done this since their founding. They started from the fact that there were too many students in America who did not have equal access to education. They saw that the system wasn’t working, that there was an absence of opportunity, so they took it upon themselves to provide the solution.

HBCUs are real pioneers when it comes to school choice. They are living proof that when more options are provided to students, they are afforded greater access and greater quality. Their success has shown that more options help students flourish.

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this is being taken as an idiosyncratic DeVos-ism but I'm curious whether this is an existing libertarian/conservative think tank talking point? benji?
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« Reply #4009 on: February 28, 2017, 10:26:51 PM »
That's a really low bar they've set for the POTUS when it's considered impressive when he's able to read the teleprompter and not veer off into insane ad libs.

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« Reply #4010 on: February 28, 2017, 10:31:26 PM »
Fuck people excusing him after tonight
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« Reply #4011 on: February 28, 2017, 10:46:19 PM »
That's a really low bar they've set for the POTUS when it's considered impressive when he's able to read the teleprompter and not veer off into insane ad libs.

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« Reply #4012 on: February 28, 2017, 10:55:36 PM »
 :american
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« Reply #4013 on: February 28, 2017, 11:17:48 PM »
So I missed the speech but basically Trump just said a whole lot of misleading bullshit once again but in a more classically presidential manner. So therefore it was a good speech and some Democrats are even giving him props for mannered rhetoric?

This fucking country   :holeup

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« Reply #4014 on: March 01, 2017, 12:11:01 AM »
Talk is so fucking cheap.  His actions have been nothing but shit. 

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« Reply #4015 on: March 01, 2017, 01:46:16 AM »
You guys are so fucked if stuff like VOICE or using a widow as a form of political boasting get free pass because is "presidential".

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« Reply #4016 on: March 01, 2017, 02:21:42 AM »
THE STATE OF THE UNION IS A MESS  :trumps
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« Reply #4017 on: March 01, 2017, 07:41:20 AM »
You gotta love how the market has been waiting for details on a lot of these plans and they expected to get it last night.  Instead all they got what a tempered version of "the cuts will be huge.  It's gonna be great.  Everyone will have a ton of money." 

At least he spent a decent amount of timing emphasizing infrastructure spending.  God that would be nice but I'm not holding my breath.

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« Reply #4018 on: March 01, 2017, 08:06:15 AM »


At least he spent a decent amount of timing emphasizing infrastructure spending.  God that would be nice but I'm not holding my breath.

Infrastructure like tanks and jets.
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« Reply #4019 on: March 01, 2017, 08:35:24 AM »
probably :(

The only reason I mentioned it was how he actually spoke about the highway project as infrastructure stimulus.