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« Reply #4200 on: March 11, 2017, 05:46:12 AM »
Paul Ryan is a fucking idiot who should stick to ribbon cutting ceremonies at strip malls in Racine.

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« Reply #4201 on: March 11, 2017, 09:25:39 AM »
I'll lose my insurance under AHCA due to it becoming unaffordable.

Guess I should grab a Bible and hope for the best.  :doge

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« Reply #4202 on: March 11, 2017, 12:13:12 PM »
I feel like denying evolution is already way more common than denying climate change.

There's much less religious investment in climate change denial.

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« Reply #4203 on: March 12, 2017, 03:40:46 AM »
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One of the first ways Secretary Carson can change the culture at HUD, [Edward] Pinto says, is by encouraging greater involvement by the private sector.

“The problem is that we’ve had too much government,” Pinto said. “We need to rely more in the private sector. That’s how things get done in this country.”

To make his point, Pinto explained that every year millions of automobiles are sold — a costly purchase for most, but entirely possible for those willing to work and save to finance its purchase.


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« Reply #4204 on: March 12, 2017, 09:54:55 AM »
I feel like denying evolution is already way more common than denying climate change.

There's much less religious investment in climate change denial.

My staff sergeant is a "militant atheist".   Regularly mocks religion out of the blue, says shit about how it's not rational, not based in science, etc.

And then thirty minutes later will turn around and rant about how climate change is a hoax/fraud/conspiracy, etc.

 :goty2
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« Reply #4205 on: March 12, 2017, 10:40:32 AM »
I feel like denying evolution is already way more common than denying climate change.

There's much less religious investment in climate change denial.

My staff sergeant is a "militant atheist".   Regularly mocks religion out of the blue, says shit about how it's not rational, not based in science, etc.

And then thirty minutes later will turn around and rant about how climate change is a hoax/fraud/conspiracy, etc.

 :goty2

Tell him he's obligated to choose a fucking horse before the horserace ends.



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« Reply #4208 on: March 12, 2017, 05:03:41 PM »
I feel like denying evolution is already way more common than denying climate change.

There's much less religious investment in climate change denial.

My staff sergeant is a "militant atheist".   Regularly mocks religion out of the blue, says shit about how it's not rational, not based in science, etc.

And then thirty minutes later will turn around and rant about how climate change is a hoax/fraud/conspiracy, etc.

 :goty2

I never understood the kind of people who think that creationism and evolution denial are absurd things, but have no problem with thinking climate change is a hoax.

So you definitely don't trust conservatives on matters of geology and biology, but think their climatology division is legit?  :doge

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« Reply #4209 on: March 12, 2017, 05:24:30 PM »
There's also a distinction between those who don't believe the climate is changing and those who question/are skeptical of anthropogenic (aka man-caused) climate change. I've seen the latter commonly called climate change denial yet it isn't the position such people actually hold.

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« Reply #4210 on: March 12, 2017, 06:10:24 PM »
When people talk about climate change, they're usually referring to man-made climate change. If that wasn't the case then there would be no point in discussing climate change at all.

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« Reply #4211 on: March 12, 2017, 06:36:11 PM »
I feel like denying evolution is already way more common than denying climate change.

There's much less religious investment in climate change denial.

My staff sergeant is a "militant atheist".   Regularly mocks religion out of the blue, says shit about how it's not rational, not based in science, etc.

And then thirty minutes later will turn around and rant about how climate change is a hoax/fraud/conspiracy, etc.

 :goty2

I never understood the kind of people who think that creationism and evolution denial are absurd things, but have no problem with thinking climate change is a hoax.

So you definitely don't trust conservatives on matters of geology and biology, but think their climatology division is legit?  :doge

I think my example is also a bit of a wrinkle of my circumstances.

Canada does have lots of very religious people (hell, I grew up as one, and on my better days, still like to call myself a Christian), but on a macro level is much less evangelical than America.

Nonetheless, policing in general is a very "conservative" profession.  I'm centrist as far as the general Canadian populace, and The Bore, is concerned, but in my office, I'm practically the left-wing pinko Commie.  :cancry

So it doesn't really surprise me in that context that you get an example of someone without religious attachment, who otherwise has an "orthodox Conservative" outlook, and obsessively consumes conservative talk radio shit, etc. but somehow filters out the Christian content.

Doesn't make it any less maddening though.
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« Reply #4212 on: March 12, 2017, 06:58:38 PM »
https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/840980755236999169

Well then.
I'm getting tired of these endless variations on "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" from that part of the spectrum. You'd think Genghis Khan had returned. This time with laser weapons.

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« Reply #4214 on: March 12, 2017, 07:40:17 PM »
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One of the first ways Secretary Carson can change the culture at HUD, [Edward] Pinto says, is by encouraging greater involvement by the private sector.

“The problem is that we’ve had too much government,” Pinto said. “We need to rely more in the private sector. That’s how things get done in this country.”

To make his point, Pinto explained that every year millions of automobiles are sold — a costly purchase for most, but entirely possible for those willing to work and save to finance its purchase.


 :lol

I turned off HUD in the settings, much better experience imo.
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« Reply #4215 on: March 12, 2017, 08:15:11 PM »
https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/840980755236999169

Well then.
I'm getting tired of these endless variations on "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" from that part of the spectrum. You'd think Genghis Khan had returned. This time with laser weapons.


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« Reply #4216 on: March 13, 2017, 02:58:54 AM »
somebody needs to build a damn crib around this country to get those people's babies outta here
The fuck you think all this MAGA shit is son?
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« Reply #4217 on: March 13, 2017, 11:38:33 AM »
My staff sergeant is a "militant atheist".   Regularly mocks religion out of the blue, says shit about how it's not rational, not based in science, etc.

And then thirty minutes later will turn around and rant about how climate change is a hoax/fraud/conspiracy, etc.

 :goty2

I never understood the kind of people who think that creationism and evolution denial are absurd things, but have no problem with thinking climate change is a hoax.

So you definitely don't trust conservatives on matters of geology and biology, but think their climatology division is legit?  :doge

I think my example is also a bit of a wrinkle of my circumstances.

Canada does have lots of very religious people (hell, I grew up as one, and on my better days, still like to call myself a Christian), but on a macro level is much less evangelical than America.

Nonetheless, policing in general is a very "conservative" profession.  I'm centrist as far as the general Canadian populace, and The Bore, is concerned, but in my office, I'm practically the left-wing pinko Commie.  :cancry

So it doesn't really surprise me in that context that you get an example of someone without religious attachment, who otherwise has an "orthodox Conservative" outlook, and obsessively consumes conservative talk radio shit, etc. but somehow filters out the Christian content.

Doesn't make it any less maddening though.

If your staff sergeant self-identifies as a militant atheist, you might want to blow their mind sometime and show them where that phrase originated from.

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« Reply #4219 on: March 13, 2017, 03:36:42 PM »
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/841249846120075265
A coworker was basically telling me this last Friday.  "My kid's school was able to identify people who stole laptops by accessing the camera on them.  Imagine what the CIA can do to try to get Trump!"   :doge



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« Reply #4222 on: March 13, 2017, 04:46:27 PM »
People still trust CBO projections?  That's a sweet job to have. Make 10 year projections and influence law, but never have culpability for being wrong.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2017/01/02/learning-from-cbos-history-of-incorrect-obamacare-projections/#5be78b0c46a7

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« Reply #4223 on: March 13, 2017, 04:49:01 PM »
Ya but only 24 million poors

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« Reply #4224 on: March 13, 2017, 05:07:50 PM »
People still trust CBO projections?  That's a sweet job to have. Make 10 year projections and influence law, but never have culpability for being wrong.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2017/01/02/learning-from-cbos-history-of-incorrect-obamacare-projections/#5be78b0c46a7

Kaiser did a review of all projections of the ACA and the CBO was consistently the best forecaster. So yes.

They tend to overestimate costs though. So Republicans may be able to make the case of budget deficits.

At best right now the most positive projection is from Standard and Poors and they estimate at least 6 million will lose insurance. And if you look at the leaner subsidies, the change in age rating, the block granting of Medicaid, it is impossible for millions not to lose insurance under this. The question was always how many millions.


EDIT: Since I am home and can add to what I was saying, this is a copy of one of the studies Kaiser did:
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2015/dec/cbo-crystal-ball-forecast-aca

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« Reply #4225 on: March 13, 2017, 06:13:36 PM »
Oh hey guess who used to love CBO projections?
https://twitter.com/RyanLizza/status/840002387398012929
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« Reply #4226 on: March 13, 2017, 07:45:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/841249846120075265
A coworker was basically telling me this last Friday.  "My kid's school was able to identify people who stole laptops by accessing the camera on them.  Imagine what the CIA can do to try to get Trump!"   :doge

And you answered: "The problem is not that they can or not, but that if it does they require a order from a judge, specially if the order  comes from Obama. And Microwaves dont have cameras."

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« Reply #4227 on: March 13, 2017, 09:45:49 PM »
People still trust CBO projections?  That's a sweet job to have. Make 10 year projections and influence law, but never have culpability for being wrong.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2017/01/02/learning-from-cbos-history-of-incorrect-obamacare-projections/#5be78b0c46a7
first subhead "Exchange Enrollment Much Less Than CBO Projected"

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« Reply #4228 on: March 14, 2017, 09:07:16 AM »
Is it just that CIA jurisdiction is different than NSA with regards to spying on citizens? Of course I'm sure all the intelligence agencies share those same tools.

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« Reply #4229 on: March 14, 2017, 12:30:02 PM »
Looks like I'll have to stop saying Lane Kiffin is the king of "falling up" and replace him with Paul Ryan. At least Kiffin has accomplished some things (championships, banging coeds).
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« Reply #4230 on: March 14, 2017, 01:15:56 PM »
Looks like I'll have to stop saying Lane Kiffin is the king of "falling up" and replace him with Paul Ryan. At least Kiffin has accomplished some things (championships, banging coeds).
Totally worth reading the replies in this tweet thread:
https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/841479686165274625

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« Reply #4231 on: March 14, 2017, 05:01:09 PM »
Is it just that CIA jurisdiction is different than NSA with regards to spying on citizens? Of course I'm sure all the intelligence agencies share those same tools.

I'm not sure what the relationship is between the NSA and the other two but the CIA and FBI have been pretty uncooperative with one another since day one

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« Reply #4232 on: March 14, 2017, 05:28:27 PM »
Is it just that CIA jurisdiction is different than NSA with regards to spying on citizens? Of course I'm sure all the intelligence agencies share those same tools.

They don't share the same tools as shown by all the software from the recent wikileaks, which was written by the CIA for the CIA

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« Reply #4233 on: March 14, 2017, 05:28:49 PM »

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« Reply #4234 on: March 14, 2017, 05:57:34 PM »
So...Breitbart just released a pre-election tape of Paul Ryan saying he would no longer support Trump on anything [this was after that Pussy-gate tape] and nearly at the same time a White House report leaked that said the fallout from Ryan's health plan would be even worse than what the CBO estimated:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/03/i-have-theory-about-steve-bannon-and-ahca
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« Reply #4235 on: March 14, 2017, 06:13:41 PM »
Looks like I'll have to stop saying Lane Kiffin is the king of "falling up" and replace him with Paul Ryan. At least Kiffin has accomplished some things (championships, banging coeds).

Lane Kiffin : Al Davis :: Paul Ryan : Donald Trump

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« Reply #4237 on: March 14, 2017, 07:55:36 PM »
Looks like I'll have to stop saying Lane Kiffin is the king of "falling up" and replace him with Paul Ryan. At least Kiffin has accomplished some things (championships, banging coeds).

Lane Kiffin : Al Davis :: Paul Ryan : Donald Trump

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« Reply #4239 on: March 14, 2017, 08:08:14 PM »
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/323792-former-nc-gov-says-backlash-over-bathroom-law-has-made-it-hard
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Former North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) says the state's controversial "bathroom law" has made it difficult for him to land a job after leaving office.

McCrory said in an interview with a World Radio podcast, according to the News & Observer, that the backlash following the law “has impacted me to this day, even after I left office. People are reluctant to hire me, because ‘oh my gosh, he’s a bigot’ — which is the last thing I am.”

He blamed liberal advocates who opposed the law, which requires that transgender people use the bathroom corresponding to their biological sex as identified on their birth certificate, for damaging his reputation.

“If you disagree with the politically correct thought police on this new definition of gender, you’re a bigot, you’re the worst of evil,” McCrory said. “It’s almost as if I broke a law.”
:usacry R.I.P. IN PEACE AMERICA 1776-2017 :usacry

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« Reply #4240 on: March 14, 2017, 08:19:37 PM »
backlash-over-bathroom-law-has-made-it-hard

go on...  :phil
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« Reply #4241 on: March 14, 2017, 08:43:33 PM »
Tax returns from 2005.

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« Reply #4242 on: March 14, 2017, 08:51:22 PM »
Tax returns from 2005.
doesn't matter when the crime was committed for him to be automatically impeached

/GAF legal hot take

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« Reply #4243 on: March 14, 2017, 08:52:20 PM »
lol it's only two pages of the tax returns :dead

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« Reply #4244 on: March 14, 2017, 08:52:45 PM »
What's the statute of limitations on taking bribes from Russia to commit treason?
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« Reply #4245 on: March 14, 2017, 08:53:34 PM »
Asking for a friend.
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« Reply #4246 on: March 14, 2017, 09:15:50 PM »
lmao at maddow's ten hours of "just asking questions" and then going to a break

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« Reply #4247 on: March 14, 2017, 09:20:18 PM »
lmao at maddow's ten hours of "just asking questions" and then going to a break

breh she's got an hour of air time to fill

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« Reply #4248 on: March 14, 2017, 09:21:44 PM »
at this rate, the wall will be built and we still won't see any tax returns.

I'm now picturing the voice of the narrator for AMC shows.


"Previously, on season 6 of Tax Returns"

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« Reply #4249 on: March 14, 2017, 09:21:53 PM »
I'm not watching, but both my regular twitter feed and the little politics list I made a while ago are 100% people tweeting about how long Maddow's taking with this.

https://twitter.com/kevinarnovitz/status/841818876673445888
https://twitter.com/dcsportsbog/status/841817309165559809
https://twitter.com/rembert/status/841818065096572929
https://twitter.com/netw3rk/status/841818843219648512
https://twitter.com/theshrillest/status/841820799728246786
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/841818928615723008


Kevin Arnovitz deleted his tweet, but it was "It feels like the hand-check rule was reinstated for breaking news."

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« Reply #4250 on: March 14, 2017, 09:23:50 PM »
itsnothing.gif

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« Reply #4251 on: March 14, 2017, 09:31:25 PM »
he paid 25% :holeup

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« Reply #4252 on: March 14, 2017, 09:40:05 PM »
Mainstream cable news is fucking trash(few individual shows aside).




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« Reply #4253 on: March 14, 2017, 09:45:41 PM »
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The White House said on Tuesday that President Donald Trump earned more than $150 million in 2005 - and paid some $38 million in federal taxes.

The administration offered those details in a statement as journalist David Cay Johnston published two pages of tax information about the president, apparently from Trump's 2005 return. The revelations were simultaneously broadcast on MSNBC's "The Rachel Maddow Show," which included an interview with Johnston.

"Before being elected President, Mr. Trump was one ofå the most successful businessmen in the world with a responsibility to his company, his family and his employees to pay no more tax than legally required," The White House said in a statement. "That being said, Mr. Trump paid $38 million dollars even after taking into account large scale depreciation for construction, on an income of more than $150 million dollars, as well as paying tens of millions of dollars in other taxes such as sales and excise taxes and employment taxes and this illegally published return proves just that."

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« Reply #4255 on: March 14, 2017, 09:55:02 PM »
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« Reply #4256 on: March 14, 2017, 09:55:04 PM »
Y'all got worked.

If it was a real scoop, they wouldn't have to hype it up for some cable news show.

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« Reply #4257 on: March 14, 2017, 10:17:54 PM »
Lesson here: Stay in your fucking lane. lol

If you are an editorial host that primarily offers analysis or punditry, you should probably stick to the game you know how to play.

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« Reply #4258 on: March 14, 2017, 10:18:38 PM »
So anyways, back to the ACA repeal.

I get that FUD against any source of embarrassing information is pretty much automatic for the GOP, but even so the attacks on the ACA feel goofy.

They're repealing rules which mandate health insurance and slashing funding to subsidize that coverage. That's pretty explicitly designed to push people away from health insurance, no?

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