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« Reply #4140 on: March 06, 2017, 02:26:54 AM »
Guys are MS-13 members arrested after a standoff with SWAT and all but still:
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« Reply #4141 on: March 06, 2017, 10:17:41 AM »
I'm glad that alien satanism is still outlawed in Texas.
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« Reply #4142 on: March 06, 2017, 11:49:40 AM »
Travel Ban Part Deux just hit. This time with 100% less Iraq.
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« Reply #4143 on: March 06, 2017, 03:29:08 PM »
Bigly stupid.

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« Reply #4144 on: March 06, 2017, 03:45:30 PM »
It might stand this time.  It's pathetic and cowardly but it sounds like it's within his authority.  But his contempt of the judicial system and the taint from the previous EO might sink it, anyway.  Can't wait for the meltdowns if it's blocked again.

Oh and the "Iran is working with Al Qaeda" bit should hopefully shut down the few holdouts in the "12 dimensional chess" camp.  You're not dealing with Machiavellian tactical geniuses.  Your'e dealing with inbred hicks in suits.  Don't inflate them to be anything more than they are.
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« Reply #4145 on: March 06, 2017, 04:29:32 PM »
I can't hear Mark Levin without thinking of this:





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« Reply #4146 on: March 06, 2017, 04:50:55 PM »
The first time I heard Levin speak on the radio I thought it was Sean Hannity doing a comedy bit in a funny voice.

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« Reply #4147 on: March 06, 2017, 08:14:11 PM »
The GOP Obamacare replacement defunds Planned Parenthood and restricts abortion coverage

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In practice, defunding the organization takes money away from its mostly low-income patients, who might be forced to seek care elsewhere if the government stopped subsidizing their visits to Planned Parenthood. Low-income women will be hit especially hard, but all Planned Parenthood patients may be affected if clinics are forced to close as a result of budget cuts.

But the bill would actually go further. It threatens to dismantle the entire private insurance market for abortion coverage, not just public funding for abortion providers: If a woman wants a health insurance plan that will cover abortion, she (and possibly her employer) won’t be able to use tax credits to buy it under this bill.

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Under the new Republican plan, any insurance plans that cover abortion — unless the woman became pregnant through rape or incest, or if the abortion is needed to save her life — won’t be eligible for tax credits.

Tax credits help make insurance more affordable for some consumers. That means insurance coverage for abortion, specifically, will be more expensive. These restrictions also apply to the tax credits that some small businesses use to purchase health care plans — but those tax credits will be gone entirely by 2020.
http://www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/6/14836998/obamacare-repeal-replace-bill-defund-planned-parenthood

The fun starts haha. They are coming out the gate with an easy target on them. All the Trump turmoil and they choose the most contentious social policy issue over the last 100 years(healthcare) to make their first major piece of legislation. Attaching with it one of the most mobilizing and divisive issues(restricting abortion) of the last 40 years.

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« Reply #4148 on: March 06, 2017, 08:19:02 PM »
What if Obama really was still the shadow president, pulling all the strings behind the scenes like Trump thinks? That would be pretty dope imo.
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« Reply #4149 on: March 06, 2017, 09:42:29 PM »
That shit isn't passing.
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« Reply #4150 on: March 06, 2017, 09:56:41 PM »
all aboard the travel ban van.  Toot toot

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« Reply #4151 on: March 07, 2017, 12:26:13 AM »
Travel Ban Part Deux just hit. This time with 100% less Iraq.

Hopefully the party that represents Muslims in the U.S. (admittedly through no particular designs of its own, and often in spite of its foreign policy) has been planning to do something about this inevitability instead of wasting the interbellum wringing its hands about a completely unrelated and largely unsubstantiated series of events that transpired before the current presidency.

Hopefully.

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« Reply #4152 on: March 07, 2017, 12:52:09 AM »
Hopefully the party that represents Muslims in the U.S. (admittedly through no particular designs of its own, and often in spite of its foreign policy) has been planning to do something about this inevitability instead of wasting the interbellum wringing its hands about a completely unrelated and largely unsubstantiated series of events that transpired before the current presidency.

Hopefully.
I'd expect them to do the same thing as last time, and introduce a symbolic bill that would immediately get referred to committee and die, then cross their fingers and hope for a court victory. Unless a dozen Senators from the majority party decide to break with the president and make a stand. Ha ha ha.

If this presidency has shown us anything it's that a political operation, even a thoroughly amateurish one, can walk and chew gum at the same time as far as public caviling about unsubstantiated scandals goes.

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« Reply #4153 on: March 07, 2017, 01:17:19 AM »
I feel that that's been on display in state legislature after state legislature for years now and the lesson to take away from les Cent-Jours is that the GOP has clearly graduated to the "using the master's tools against him or her" phase of their politics. (Instead of existing in it with a War on Terror air of plausible deniability as was previously the case.)

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« Reply #4154 on: March 07, 2017, 02:08:54 AM »
Travel Ban Part Deux just hit. This time with 100% less Iraq.

Hopefully the party that represents Muslims in the U.S. (admittedly through no particular designs of its own, and often in spite of its foreign policy) has been planning to do something about this inevitability instead of wasting the interbellum wringing its hands about a completely unrelated and largely unsubstantiated series of events that transpired before the current presidency.

Hopefully.

Hopefully the Executive Order met with a Russian official during the campaign.  :drake "Arzloub !" as they say in multidimensional chess-poker.
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« Reply #4155 on: March 07, 2017, 03:55:04 AM »
What if Obama really was still the shadow president, pulling all the strings behind the scenes like Trump thinks? That would be pretty dope imo.

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« Reply #4156 on: March 07, 2017, 08:08:44 AM »
What if Obama really was still the shadow president, pulling all the strings behind the scenes like Trump thinks? That would be pretty dope imo.

https://twitter.com/crossslide/status/832745758973517828
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« Reply #4157 on: March 07, 2017, 08:59:17 AM »
What if Obama really was still the shadow president, pulling all the strings behind the scenes like Trump thinks? That would be pretty dope imo.

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« Reply #4158 on: March 07, 2017, 09:22:39 AM »
1000 internet points for Dufus! Nice catch.
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« Reply #4159 on: March 07, 2017, 11:12:32 AM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/839086723552411648

Trumpcare is a-go! If you get sick, just take a Trump Tylenol and suck it up, poor people with your iPhones and your refrigerators!
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« Reply #4160 on: March 07, 2017, 11:17:22 AM »
More like Trumpdon'tcare.

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« Reply #4161 on: March 07, 2017, 11:58:23 AM »
Yeah I noticed that Race Bannon looked like Pence.

Race... Bannon :ohhh
He could be putting his wit towards attracting women but instead he's using it to give us classic posts
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« Reply #4162 on: March 07, 2017, 01:52:39 PM »
Die the villain we need or live long enough to become the hero we deserve.
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« Reply #4164 on: March 07, 2017, 08:26:49 PM »
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« Reply #4165 on: March 07, 2017, 08:28:53 PM »
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TFW your enemy makes your points on your behalf.
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« Reply #4166 on: March 07, 2017, 09:13:29 PM »
Yeah, Newt Gingrich was such an asset to the country.
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« Reply #4167 on: March 07, 2017, 10:54:39 PM »
Yeah I noticed that Race Bannon looked like Pence.

Race... Bannon :ohhh

Don't forget the other part:

Race....Bannon

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« Reply #4168 on: March 08, 2017, 08:47:54 AM »
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« Reply #4170 on: March 08, 2017, 06:24:43 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

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« Reply #4171 on: March 08, 2017, 06:43:12 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

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TITLE II—IMPROVING HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS TO PROMOTE ACCOUNTABILITY

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« Reply #4172 on: March 08, 2017, 06:56:10 PM »
Don't stumble, citizen, or you'll be trampled by personal responsibility.

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« Reply #4173 on: March 08, 2017, 07:19:05 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

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....The rest of the industrialized world just got a copy:

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« Reply #4174 on: March 08, 2017, 07:24:04 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

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TITLE II—IMPROVING HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS TO PROMOTE ACCOUNTABILITY

lol

Do they accept iPhones?

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« Reply #4175 on: March 08, 2017, 07:42:04 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

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TITLE II—IMPROVING HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS TO PROMOTE ACCOUNTABILITY

lol

Do they accept iPhones?

I hope you're not a strapping young buck, gorging yourself on crab legs and chemotherapy.  :wag
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« Reply #4176 on: March 08, 2017, 08:20:58 PM »
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Not even joking: H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

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TITLE II—IMPROVING HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS TO PROMOTE ACCOUNTABILITY

lol

I had severe pain in my gut so I went to the ER. They gave me some pain meds and put me in a bed for a couple of hours. After a bit, they did a scan and discovered that it was a colon infection. I got a prescription for more pain meds and an antibiotic, then sent home.

$15,000

I have insurance, luckily, but I was still on the hook for 5 grand for the deductible.
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« Reply #4177 on: March 08, 2017, 08:22:29 PM »
I once had to go to the hospital to get my second butthole removed.  The cost of parking was atrocious. 

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« Reply #4178 on: March 08, 2017, 08:29:13 PM »
Yeah, how can something with woefully insufficient annual contribution limits that depends on the growth of financial assets to overcome those limitations hope to ever finance medical emergencies that can occur when the heck ever?

HSAs have two functions: helping high income taxpayers exclude more income from tax and giving cheap employers a shitty health insurance plan to offer. They also have a nefarious use, but I know NOTHING ABOUT THAT.
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« Reply #4179 on: March 08, 2017, 09:23:49 PM »
Are we winning yet? Have we won so much that we're tired of winning?
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« Reply #4182 on: March 09, 2017, 06:30:53 PM »
it's easier to agree on what you don't want than to agree on what you do want.
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« Reply #4183 on: March 10, 2017, 12:55:31 AM »
https://twitter.com/CitizenCohn/status/839884883015118849

"The intellectual leader of the Republican Party."

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« Reply #4184 on: March 10, 2017, 01:07:02 AM »
If the healthy dont subsidize the sick its not insurance anymore, its just paying the bill

Also wtf at Pruitt denying global warming  :lol Whats next, evolution?

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« Reply #4185 on: March 10, 2017, 01:40:16 AM »
In an employer plan an employer can pay for the health insurance of relatives who have no-show jobs and the costs of those premiums are deductible for tax purposes. :doge

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« Reply #4186 on: March 10, 2017, 06:56:56 AM »
If the healthy dont subsidize the sick its not insurance anymore, its just paying the bill

Also wtf at Pruitt denying global warming  :lol Whats next, evolution?
Haven't looked into Betsy much, have ya? :doge
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« Reply #4187 on: March 10, 2017, 08:28:20 AM »
Nah, but the whole thing is a clusterfuck anyway and we only just started

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« Reply #4188 on: March 10, 2017, 08:44:23 AM »
Paul Ryan is right. Let's get rid of insurance and go single payer.  :doge
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« Reply #4189 on: March 10, 2017, 10:55:35 AM »
Woke Paul Ryan
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« Reply #4190 on: March 10, 2017, 04:35:03 PM »
In an employer plan an employer can pay for the health insurance of relatives who have no-show jobs and the costs of those premiums are deductible for tax purposes. :doge

But are any of those relatives black people that own iphones?
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« Reply #4191 on: March 10, 2017, 07:55:56 PM »
https://twitter.com/CitizenCohn/status/839884883015118849

"The intellectual leader of the Republican Party."

IT'S EXACTLY HOW INSURANCE FUKKIN WORKS

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« Reply #4192 on: March 10, 2017, 08:05:47 PM »
Damn, just reading up on the AHCA now. I mean I knew the GOP would never be able to square the circle and make the ACA more ideologically pure while also improving life for Upper-middle-blessed Americans and the beneaths. But this is some serious ratfucking.
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« Reply #4193 on: March 10, 2017, 08:30:13 PM »
In an employer plan an employer can pay for the health insurance of relatives who have no-show jobs and the costs of those premiums are deductible for tax purposes. :doge

But are any of those relatives black people that own iphones?

I have a theory that a lot of conservative talking points that border on being memes are actually something akin to your (pejorative) cheating romantic partner irrationally jumping to the conclusion that you yourself (again, pejorative) are cheating if you don't text or whatever. To paraphrase the last Luxemburgist Rosa Luxemburg, their lives are the world (while the world is everyone else's life).

There's undoubtedly more than a tinge of racism behind the one you're using now, as well as the frustration of people who live in the socioeconomic donut hole (being too affluent to get much subsistence assistance, but too poor to get wealthy welfare), but it absolutely has coin among the employing class because their own families are rife with utter morons who would starve if the family scion(s) didn't keep them on the sanguinolent dole with no-show or unrealistic jobs and don't even have the faintest conception of what financial diligence is (contrast this with single women of color who can and sometimes must ascend to homo economicus just to survive).

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« Reply #4194 on: March 10, 2017, 08:50:10 PM »
Damn, just reading up on the AHCA now. I mean I knew the GOP would never be able to square the circle and make the ACA more ideologically pure while also improving life for Upper-middle-blessed Americans and the beneaths. But this is some serious ratfucking.

It really is amazingly inept through about every conceivable prism you look through the bill with:


Policy/Economics:It's just shit. It covers less people, costs more, and by almost all accounts seems likely to make the healthcare situation in America much worse for everyone over the long-term.

Politically: You make insurance more expensive for rural living, working class, older people that are your electricians, contractors, or general working class small business employees that love Trump. By untying subsidies to the cost of the plans(which are by and large much more expensive in rural areas) and allowing insurers to charge older people more. You are gonna block-grant Medicaid and start the process right near an election year. Meaning campaigning in the midst of potentially millions losing insurance due to your policy. All the while disillusioning the hardliners that see everything through a window of "more" or "less" government and putting moderates in vulnerable positions if they bend to pressure.

Strategically: You come out the gate with your first big legislative push being the most controversial and divisive topic in politics. Instead of doing, IDK, the Republican bread and butter like tax cuts.

Morally: They are just pieces of shit, but this was already known. Though the fact the only thing there is wide agreement on is tax cuts for the rich, it just helps cement it.




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« Reply #4195 on: March 10, 2017, 09:40:40 PM »
The real problem for Republicans is that the ACA, in general, actually works and people like what they get out of it. Unless they replace it with a single-payer system, a lot of people are going to be really upset.
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« Reply #4196 on: March 10, 2017, 09:58:59 PM »
The real problem for Republicans is that the ACA, in general, actually works and people like what they get out of it. Unless they replace it with a single-payer system, a lot of people are going to be really upset.
Agreed.

Though, I'm still stuck trying to figure out if there is in fact any aspect of this self-created political calamity that isn't poised to spectacularly blow up in the faces of their 7 years of hypocrisy and bullshit.

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« Reply #4197 on: March 11, 2017, 12:32:58 AM »
The real problem for Republicans is that the ACA, in general, actually works and people like what they get out of it. Unless they replace it with a single-payer system, a lot of people are going to be really upset.
Agreed.

Though, I'm still stuck trying to figure out if there is in fact any aspect of this self-created political calamity that isn't poised to spectacularly blow up in the faces of their 7 years of hypocrisy and bullshit.

:delicious

They're just going to figure out how to finger-point at the democrats again when they lose power, and blame the dems for the republicans' fuckery.

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« Reply #4198 on: March 11, 2017, 12:34:17 AM »
If the healthy dont subsidize the sick its not insurance anymore, its just paying the bill

Also wtf at Pruitt denying global warming  :lol Whats next, evolution?

I'd bet money that you'd get evolution-deniers galore if they felt safe speaking their mind. They know the idea's unpopular, even if they think it's wrong.

Sadly, the flyover states have just proven that they could likely have been getting The Ignorant Vote for ages if they just promised to bring back coal and low-skill manufacturing jobs.

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« Reply #4199 on: March 11, 2017, 03:09:59 AM »
I just think we should always teach the controversy: