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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43800 on: September 21, 2019, 06:16:11 PM »

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« Reply #43801 on: September 21, 2019, 06:26:49 PM »
Even Bill Maher hasn't found enough weed to not panic  :lol
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43802 on: September 21, 2019, 07:32:28 PM »
That's sounds....like a good mayor?

Nah, one time Bernie did the same sort of stuff that Biden pats himself on the back for... that monster!

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« Reply #43803 on: September 21, 2019, 07:45:11 PM »
Bernie's record is a lot more conventional than all the noise around him would suggest. I think both his stans and haters have decided it's better to play up his radicalism.

I do think if he won it would have the same effect on the nascent American socialism we're seeing as Obama's win had on the antiwar movement.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43804 on: September 21, 2019, 07:53:11 PM »
I do think if he won it would have the same effect on the nascent American socialism we're seeing as Obama's win had on the antiwar movement.
Which is what, in your opinion?
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« Reply #43805 on: September 21, 2019, 08:07:36 PM »
Either sapped its energy and momentum, or revealed it to have been relatively shallow all along (in the sense of only being against the Iraq war in particular, or being more about not personally trusting Bush).

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43806 on: September 21, 2019, 08:13:02 PM »
You think America's succdem movement has a similarly shallow character? And in respect to what? I agree but I'm wondering if you mean "Americans aren't really socialist, these people just want free healthcare and college (i.e. parity with Yurop)" or the even more embarrassing "Bernie supporters were much more diverse than is billed and a lot of them just hate(d) immigrants, Clinton, etc."
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43807 on: September 21, 2019, 08:32:45 PM »
I don't think the analogy really holds up tbh. Bernie's hypothetical presidency would be a lot more fractious than Obama's considering his outsider status within both the party leadership and the divided opinions of him within the Democratic base. Plus on a deeper level, the fortunes of movements rely on more than who's in the White House. The antiwar movement was always going to decline once Americans were no longer dying regularly. Not to say that the future of American socialism looks golden.

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« Reply #43808 on: September 21, 2019, 08:39:45 PM »
You think America's succdem movement has a similarly shallow character? And in respect to what? I agree but I'm wondering if you mean "Americans aren't really socialist, these people just want free healthcare and college (i.e. parity with Yurop)" or the even more embarrassing "Bernie supporters were much more diverse than is billed and a lot of them just hate(d) immigrants, Clinton, etc."

I think after the 2016 election it was plausible to argue that Sanders and his platform represented a huge chunk, maybe even a majority of Dem voters. He got over 40% of the vote after starting with basically no name recognition, against the entire party establishment. The midterm results and Bernie's stagnant polling have pretty well refuted that.

There are still true believers, even if they represent a fraction of the people who voted for him last time. With the caveat that Online Isn't Real Life, I see no indication that socdem Bernie stans are inclined at all to pressure Bernie from the left. How many are even willing to criticize him for a purely tactical issue? They're deeply personally invested in the guy.

I do think the party has generally shifted left on a number of fronts, largely as the result of (ahem) material conditions and some successful organizing which predates Bernie's 2016 campaign. I think the best prognosis is for issues where the impetus comes from specific demands which can be addressed locally and where there's already ground-level organizing which wouldn't be subsumed by a Bernie campaign (ie teacher strikes, criminal justice reform, housing and living wage bills).


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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43810 on: September 21, 2019, 08:59:02 PM »
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/cory-booker-nuclear_n_5d8299bae4b0957256b0ad04

Damn, too bad this is coming from one of the loser candidates.

I don't like how pragmatism and feasibility as concepts are somewhat turning into Republican things, makes them look more competent than they really are

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« Reply #43812 on: September 21, 2019, 09:48:05 PM »
December 27, March 8, June 8, September 21

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« Reply #43816 on: September 21, 2019, 10:52:15 PM »
I don’t really see Bernie and Obama’s enduring support as having a similar character, even if there is some overlap in who those people are.

Obama, in retrospect was always sort of a “cult of personality” as much or more so than any love of him for any policy preferences. A lot of his support, especially the longer he was in office, was prefaced on how smart, articulate, loved his kids, how great Michelle is, etc. It also helped that he was a gifted orator in a two person primary where his main opponent was nothing but a hot blonde with a thiccc ass, a school marm personality, and a hot Muslim assistant. Very few people were like”Man he’s done great things with drone strikes!” Or “I love how the ACA has been implemented, health care is awesome now!” I think his relatively progressive positions where great in the primary, but he largely didn’t deliver on the rhetoric once he took office.... he was just always a handsome guy that people thought was cool. Ironic in a way that he is more of a celebrity President than an actual President who was a celebrity President first.

Bernie doesn’t really have that, he’s got his 5 pet issues and take it or leave it. There’s not a lot of fluff. I couldn’t even really tell you much about his personal life other than he’s Jewish, was married twice, wrote a great porn book, and I think he has at least one son. The way that I would say he won the most is in how he has managed to shift the conversation so far. Almost everybody had to at least adopt his framing on issues like healthcare specifically. I don’t think it’s unfair to think that some other candidates might be better equipped to deliver on those promises though.

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« Reply #43817 on: September 21, 2019, 10:54:32 PM »
Obama, in retrospect was always sort of a “cult of personality”

Bernie doesn’t really have that

lmao

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« Reply #43818 on: September 21, 2019, 11:01:00 PM »
I mean, do you think Bernie Bros will cut people because they're Bernie fans or that they're natural sociopaths?

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« Reply #43819 on: September 21, 2019, 11:05:11 PM »
warren is the new obummer, mandi  ::) get it right  :wag
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43820 on: September 21, 2019, 11:53:29 PM »
"wrote a great porn book"

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« Reply #43821 on: September 22, 2019, 01:38:51 AM »
Obama, in retrospect was always sort of a “cult of personality”

Bernie doesn’t really have that

lmao

Yeah, Bernie has his die hards, I just mean people tend to like him for policy related reasons (or some perception that he’s the only one that really cares about their preferred policies) whereas Obama people liked him even though a lot of his policies sucked.

“I don’t like the Iraq war but he’s so cute with those kids at the White House!” Type shit.

Bernie is not cute with anybody, and he’s not really a great retail politician.

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« Reply #43822 on: September 22, 2019, 01:54:55 AM »
hahaha

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43824 on: September 22, 2019, 02:42:30 AM »
Has anyone seen Kara's van lately? It was supposed to be here last December, there was a big government shutdown over it or something, I'm genuinely still worried and would like an update from someone I trust, thanks.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43825 on: September 22, 2019, 02:59:33 AM »
I haven't been paying attention this week. Is the Hunter Biden stuff coming up literally because Trump or Rudy mentioned it and not because it was blatantly obvious payments from multiple nations and we already had a profile this year all about how it led to Hunter buying crack on the street to feed his addiction until a magical negro lifted him up?

Biden will never throw a son under the bus, not now, not to mention it implicates the Administration, that's why they want everyone to shut up about it even though Hunter Biden's own explanations for it have only gotten worse.

Plus they're letting Christopher Heinz and Devon Archer off the hook for their role in the whole thing!

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43826 on: September 22, 2019, 03:17:51 AM »
Um, benji, the Hunter Biden stuff is coming up because Trump allegedly tried to pressure the Ukrainian government multiple times into opening up an investigation into it to help derail Joe Biden's campaign, and now there is a whistleblower complaint slowly leaking into the public sphere.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43827 on: September 22, 2019, 03:22:44 AM »
The President is allowed to conduct foreign policy without any constraints on his actions.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43828 on: September 22, 2019, 03:33:10 AM »
The President is allowed to conduct foreign policy without any constraints on his actions.

Just fucking die already, you hive of neuroses and failures.
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43829 on: September 22, 2019, 04:00:57 AM »
It's sockpuppet season again huh ?
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43834 on: September 22, 2019, 12:20:14 PM »
https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1175804606565273602

Also, referring to Ukraine as 'The Ukraine' implies that they are still a Russian vassal state.

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« Reply #43835 on: September 22, 2019, 01:13:17 PM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43836 on: September 22, 2019, 01:20:06 PM »
Modi and Trump doing a MAGA rally  :ohhh
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« Reply #43837 on: September 22, 2019, 01:38:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1175802821041643526

With material like this I'm surprised he hasn't been hired by SNL yet.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43840 on: September 22, 2019, 05:19:26 PM »
:neogaf

https://twitter.com/hasanminhaj/status/1175796958985936896
wasn't this guy ripping into the president for the wall stuff? wtf happened
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43843 on: September 22, 2019, 05:30:51 PM »
The entire coast guard looks like they're about to cry because they can't possibly handle all the #winning  8)
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« Reply #43845 on: September 22, 2019, 09:15:28 PM »
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43851 on: September 23, 2019, 12:38:13 AM »
Nate Silver says 'Brown people are residue!'
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43852 on: September 23, 2019, 12:38:47 AM »
Nate "Clinton will win" Silver.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43853 on: September 23, 2019, 12:42:38 AM »
Nate gave Trump a 33% chance of winning a week before the election
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Trump sells the US to Ukraine to own the libs
« Reply #43855 on: September 23, 2019, 12:48:53 AM »
I'm still listening to the 538 podcasts from time to time (I think I might drop it, they're mediocre in general, and I'm not caring for their take on most things). The only real interesting part is how Nate Silver will say some BS or pulled out of his ass analysis take, and the rest of the podcast crew has to pretend that it's a smart take, or have to gently explain to Nate why his hot take was terrible.

I mean, if Nate Silver wants to stop being a poll aggregator, and be a pundit, fine I guess. But then he needs to actually know what he's talking about.

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« Reply #43856 on: September 23, 2019, 12:52:17 AM »
you're so mad that he's mean to bernie

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« Reply #43857 on: September 23, 2019, 12:53:06 AM »
you're so mad that he's mean to bernie

If that's your takeaway, okay. Nate still needs to get better at his job.

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« Reply #43858 on: September 23, 2019, 01:00:02 AM »
you should get better at posting

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« Reply #43859 on: September 23, 2019, 01:00:26 AM »
you should get better at posting

This is some cheap heat, man.