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« Reply #4500 on: March 27, 2017, 05:02:10 AM »
dont ask me what in the sweet holy fuck this is because i couldn't tell you



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« Reply #4501 on: March 27, 2017, 06:24:01 AM »
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/845646761704243200

Apparently the host went on a tirade about Paul Ryan having to step down, maybe or maybe not as a messenger for da Prez ?  :lol

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/845974102619906048

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« Reply #4502 on: March 27, 2017, 11:14:15 AM »
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« Reply #4504 on: March 27, 2017, 01:20:35 PM »
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President Donald Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, will lead a new White House office aimed at reforming the federal government through private-sector solutions.

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« Reply #4505 on: March 27, 2017, 01:32:15 PM »
Remember when Jared Kushner used AMERICAN INNOVATION to lead the "having your pops put in the slammer by Chris Christie" and "throwing a baby in Ivanka Trump" industries? Truly a pioneer.
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« Reply #4509 on: March 28, 2017, 04:15:18 PM »
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/26/trumps-war-on-terror-has-quickly-become-as-barbaric-and-savage-as-he-promised/

is there no Kremlin-Trump-Putin propaganda that Glenn won't publish anymore? :snoop

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« Reply #4510 on: March 28, 2017, 04:41:06 PM »
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/26/trumps-war-on-terror-has-quickly-become-as-barbaric-and-savage-as-he-promised/

is there no Kremlin-Trump-Putin propaganda that Glenn won't publish anymore? :snoop

Occom Razor: Trump has a bigger hands off approach to military, the military becomes more reckless and Trump is not interested in trying to spin non US civilians dying in another nation given that diplomacy is not his forth to begin with.

Dunno why overthink everything about Trump given past weeks theatrics.

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« Reply #4511 on: March 28, 2017, 05:23:27 PM »
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/26/trumps-war-on-terror-has-quickly-become-as-barbaric-and-savage-as-he-promised/

is there no Kremlin-Trump-Putin propaganda that Glenn won't publish anymore? :snoop

Who cares about an unaccountable military murdering people who have done absolutely nothing to Americans with increasing frequency? A Russian-owned TV channel no one watches aired some bad stuff about the best candidate in history (tm) and violated the sanctity of the most holy and virtuous thing on the planet: American elections.

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« Reply #4512 on: March 28, 2017, 06:05:29 PM »
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/26/trumps-war-on-terror-has-quickly-become-as-barbaric-and-savage-as-he-promised/

is there no Kremlin-Trump-Putin propaganda that Glenn won't publish anymore? :snoop

Who cares about an unaccountable military murdering people who have done absolutely nothing to Americans with increasing frequency? A Russian-owned TV channel no one watches aired some bad stuff about the best candidate in history (tm) and violated the sanctity of the most holy and virtuous thing on the planet: American elections.

That last part still sounds pretty bad thought.


Sorry of I sounded uncaring about discusions of military doctrine, just that on one part that article feels that is devolving in semantics.

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« Reply #4513 on: March 28, 2017, 09:17:26 PM »
Surprised no one mentioned this today:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/03/28/the-house-just-voted-to-wipe-out-the-fccs-landmark-internet-privacy-protections/

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The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

Congress sent proposed legislation to President Trump on Tuesday that wipes away landmark online privacy protections, the first salvo in what is likely to become a significant reworking of the rules governing Internet access in an era of Republican dominance.

In a party-line vote, House Republicans freed Internet service providers such as Verizon, AT&T and Comcast of protections approved just last year that had sought to limit what companies could do with information such as customer browsing habits, app usage history, location data and Social Security numbers. The rules had also required providers to strengthen safeguards for customer data against hackers and thieves.

The Senate has already voted to nullify those measures, which were set to take effect at the end of this year. If Trump signs the legislation as expected, providers will be able to monitor their customers’ behavior online and, without their permission, use their personal and financial information to sell highly targeted ads — making them rivals to Google and Facebook in the $83 billion online advertising market.

The providers could also sell their users’ information directly to marketers, financial firms and other companies that mine personal data — all of whom could use the data without consumers’ consent. In addition, the Federal Communications Commission, which initially drafted the protections, will be forbidden from issuing similar rules in the future.

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« Reply #4514 on: March 28, 2017, 10:47:24 PM »
Is there legal precedent for no takebacks?
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« Reply #4516 on: March 28, 2017, 11:05:19 PM »
Everyone's up in arms about the whole privacy thing. Here's the thing, we do it already. We get around it. It costs a lot of money. But we already know.
We can see everything.


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« Reply #4517 on: March 28, 2017, 11:13:18 PM »
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency

Fucking nerds ruining this country.
More of a smart-dumb conspiracy nut whose really good at fooling himself.
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« Reply #4518 on: March 29, 2017, 12:05:22 AM »
Once you get past all the "once said this thing to this guy who gave a check to this group that let this other guy give a speech who said this" it sounds like it's actually more his daughter using the cash he made. And tossing really not even large sums at existing entities like Breitbart and Brent Bozell. And Pat Caddell.

Meanwhile back in Jane Meyer's regular conspiracy tracing:
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Although Mercer has recently become an object of media speculation, Trevor Potter, the president of the Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan watchdog group, who formerly served as the chairman of the Federal Election Commission, said, “I have no idea what his political views are—they’re unknown, not just to the public but also to most people who’ve been active in politics for the past thirty years.” Potter, a Republican, sees Mercer as emblematic of a major shift in American politics that has occurred since 2010, when the Supreme Court made a controversial ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission.

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Now, Potter said, “a single billionaire can write an eight-figure check and put not just their thumb but their whole hand on the scale—and we often have no idea who they are.” He continued, “Suddenly, a random billionaire can change politics and public policy—to sweep everything else off the table—even if they don’t speak publicly, and even if there’s almost no public awareness of his or her views.”
And then there's the random "billionaire" who "suddenly" can change politics and public policy due to his being elected President despite public awareness of his views and countless billions being spent to try and stop him.

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« Reply #4519 on: March 29, 2017, 12:42:01 AM »
Once you get past all the "once said this thing to this guy who gave a check to this group that let this other guy give a speech who said this" it sounds like it's actually more his daughter using the cash he made. And tossing really not even large sums at existing entities like Breitbart and Brent Bozell. And Pat Caddell.
If what he's said to believe is true, then I'm sure he approves of her spending. The Robinson guy though is fleecing them for sure. Then again, he might be a true believer as well, what with the urine collection that could hold the secret to prolonging the human lifespan...? What.

Also, Robert Mercer being a computer scientist just feeds my prejudices about certain types of intelligent people. I keep thinking the kind of analytical abilities necessary to succeed in the field would help diminish cognitive dissonance, but they just aid in expressing it more elaborately and convincingly. Time to stop conflating rationality with raw intelligence.

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And then there's the random "billionaire" who "suddenly" can change politics and public policy due to his being elected President despite public awareness of his views and countless billions being spent to try and stop him.
It occurred to me that, if daddy Mercer truly wants to "burn it all down", helping a clown get elected was not the way to do it. As for them actually tipping the scales. Eh, advertising works, but it works a lot more if you're already buying into the message, which is what seems like they were doing. Attaching themselves to unrest that was already there.

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« Reply #4520 on: March 29, 2017, 01:39:43 AM »
My main point (as assigned by Charles Koch) is casting a skewed eyebrow on yet another of Mayer's web of SHADOW MONEY conspiracy tales for the New Yorker's readership. Mayer's entire case hinges on ~$60 million spent on politics over the last decade somehow funding everything Trump secretly...when Trump is a rather public billionaire who sometimes states his opinions publicly as well.

$14 million of which was dumped into Ted Cruz's campaign in 2015 and $11 million on Breitbart in 2011. And $25 million total given to Republican candidates/PACs in the 2016 cycle. James Simons, the founder of Renaissance, the hedge fund Mercer got rich off running, dropped $27 million on Democrats in the 2016 cycle.

In the last three cycles Simons has spent $44.9 million on Democrats, Mercer has spent $40.1 million on Republicans. They're both at the core of Renaissance's hedge fund story, yet this is all the text Simons gets from Mayer:
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t’s worth noting that several other wealthy financiers, including Democrats such as Thomas Steyer and Donald Sussman, gave even more money to campaigns. (One of the top Democratic donors was James Simons, the retired founder of Renaissance Technologies.) Nevertheless, Mercer’s political efforts stand apart.

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Renaissance was founded by James Simons, a legendary mathematician, in 1982. Simons had run the math department at Stony Brook University, on Long Island, and the hedge fund took a uniquely academic approach to high finance.

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The Medallion Fund made Renaissance employees among the wealthiest people in the country. Forbes estimates that Simons, who has the biggest share, is worth eighteen billion dollars. In 2009, Simons stepped aside, to focus on philanthropy, and named Mercer and Brown co-C.E.O.s. Institutional Investor’s Alpha estimates that, in 2015, Mercer earned a hundred and thirty-five million dollars at Renaissance.

She wrote basically the same article six years ago about different billionaires: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/08/30/covert-operations

And twelve years ago she discovered the same scary thing about DARK MONEY: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/10/18/the-money-man
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Thee astonishing amount of cash that Soros has poured into the Presidential race is nonetheless dwarfed by Republican efforts to influence public policy through private donations. Perhaps the best perspective has been provided by Rob Stein, a Democratic strategist based in Washington. After the 2002 election, the G.O.P. controlled the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and most state legislatures; Stein worried that the country was in danger of succumbing to one-party rule. ...

Stein identified nine hugely wealthy families who had anchored the effort, all of whom were sustained by corporate fortunes; the list included the Olins, the Bradleys, the Coorses, the Kochs, the Smith-Richardsons, and the Mellon Scaifes. Between 1985 and 2001, the nine families had collectively given half a billion dollars to charitable foundations promoting policies that were in their immediate self-interest, such as lowering income taxes and deregulating industry. Scaife’s foundations have reportedly spent at least three hundred and forty million dollars supporting the conservative cause.

And yet, most importantly, she ignores the fact that Putin is rumored to be the richest man in the world. Why not focus on his funding with shadow money?!? Does this mean Putin has gotten to Jane Mayer like he did Barack Obama to get Obama to cover up everything during the election? I'm just asking questions? Stop distracting us from Trump's treason of doing something with Russia that made people not vote for Hillary with these stories about good ol home grown AMERICAN billionaires like the type that supported Hillary, Jane! Focus on the big Russian picture here! Putin! Manafort! Cheka! We will bury you! Bringing your dog into meetings with German Chancellors! Romney putting dogs on the roof of his car! Connect the dots people!

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« Reply #4521 on: March 29, 2017, 01:41:16 AM »
Surprised no one mentioned this today:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/03/28/the-house-just-voted-to-wipe-out-the-fccs-landmark-internet-privacy-protections/

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The House just voted to wipe out the FCC’s landmark Internet privacy protections

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« Reply #4522 on: March 29, 2017, 02:38:16 AM »
There was a book called The Best Democracy Money Can Buy written about USA elections released back in 2002, nothing new here people.
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« Reply #4523 on: March 29, 2017, 03:01:02 AM »
POTUS now tweeting NY Post articles and directing to Fox News shows to defend himself  :doge
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« Reply #4524 on: March 29, 2017, 03:33:58 AM »
Sorry of I sounded uncaring about discusions of military doctrine, just that on one part that article feels that is devolving in semantics.

Sorry if I wrote like I was subtweeting you (I wasn't).

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« Reply #4525 on: March 29, 2017, 03:18:02 PM »
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« Reply #4526 on: March 29, 2017, 03:25:26 PM »
dude fucking won, why does he keep bringing up the clintons
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« Reply #4527 on: March 29, 2017, 03:28:06 PM »
Because he's a narcissist. It's not enough to win, others should fail.

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« Reply #4528 on: March 29, 2017, 03:38:38 PM »
dude fucking won, why does he keep bringing up the clintons

Because he's a psycho.

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« Reply #4529 on: March 29, 2017, 04:58:15 PM »
dude fucking won, why does he keep bringing up the clintons

Because he is a narcissist idiot that needs a scapegoat to avoid taking faults. Obama is gone and Hillary is out of the spotlight so the only people he can genuinely pass blame is to people of his own party or government agencies, and both had its consequences (failure to repeal Obamacare and leaks) so the only easy target is Clinton and Obama.

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« Reply #4530 on: March 29, 2017, 06:15:13 PM »
James Simons seems cool, he funds this sweet math magazine -> https://www.quantamagazine.org/
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« Reply #4531 on: March 29, 2017, 07:23:40 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/29/politics/ivanka-trump-white-house-job/index.html

Theoretically, does this give her some protection from having to answer certain questions under oath?

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« Reply #4534 on: March 30, 2017, 05:09:48 AM »
Drumpf admin is all talk no action.

Sad!
Considering I disagree with virtually everything they want to do that's kind of ok by me.
Also:
https://twitter.com/theneedledrop/status/846894687499632640
https://twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/831002586576609281
They're seriously going for fucking Chelsea in 2020. We are getting eight years of this if he dun get sacked before then. :doge
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« Reply #4536 on: March 30, 2017, 08:04:34 AM »
Chelsea is running for president cuz she listens to pop? ???

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« Reply #4537 on: March 30, 2017, 10:52:48 AM »
Clinton/Wu 2020


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« Reply #4539 on: March 30, 2017, 11:40:41 AM »
John Boehner: *laughs*
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« Reply #4540 on: March 30, 2017, 11:58:31 AM »
I'd love to see someone ask Chelsea what her favorite 5 ATCQ songs are. I'd bet she can't name one. But hey, this is what they think appeals to young folk.

Can't wait for a liberal site to write a think piece attacking The Needle Drop for daring question a woman expressing her - zzzzzzzzz
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« Reply #4541 on: March 30, 2017, 03:15:47 PM »
Chelsea Clinton is a bougie white woman who was a teen in the 90's. ATCQ should be right in her wheelhouse.

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« Reply #4542 on: March 30, 2017, 03:50:27 PM »
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« Reply #4543 on: March 30, 2017, 04:49:48 PM »
http://www.businessinsider.com/eric-garland-twitter-game-theory-russia-trump-2017-3?op=1
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Time for some fame theory: Meet the eccentric liberal analyst whose unhinged tweetstorms have made him Twitter-famous
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Eric Garland went to sleep on December 10 with 5,000 Twitter followers. When he woke up the next day he had 30,000.

"It was pretty awesome," Garland told Business Insider in an interview.

"When you're used to one level of Twitter and you see Luke f---ing Skywalker liked your tweets — he didn't ask me to raise his kids if he died or anything — but it's like, I'm 43 years old, so 'Star Wars' took the place of all religions."

Garland wasn't used to national media attention — his work was relatively obscure with a few exceptions. He previously published a handful of economic articles on The Atlantic, appeared on little-watched shows on HuffPost Live and Russia Today, and attempted unsuccessfully to kick-start a US stand-up comedy tour titled "WTF is up with the economy?"

A self-described "DC technocrat" based in St. Louis, Garland runs the small consulting firm Competitive Futures, which examines economic and political situations and advises corporate clients. Although he said many of his clients are confidential, he said governments in Monaco and France, as well as companies like Energizer, paid his firm for "strategic analysis" on topics like energy and housing. He boasted that his firm "predicted the housing crisis" in 2008, and it provides similar insights to corporate and government clients.

But since December, that hasn't been Garland's primary calling card.

Garland struck a nerve last year with a 127-tweet polemic supposedly describing the "game theory" of how almost every prominent aspect of recent American political history culminated in Russia's interference in the US 2016 election.
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The tweetstorm was instantly praised for stringing together disparate pieces into a grand narrative. It earned shout-outs from politically engaged celebrities like Mark Hamill (which excited Garland) and Patton Oswalt, as well as a number of prominent journalists. Washington Post reporter David Fahrenthold said the thread was "great writing," while Mother Jones editor Clara Jeffrey declared it the "Federalist Paper of 2016."
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Indeed, his passion has been misconstrued for inebriation. Suggestions that he was on cocaine irked Garland initially, and he told Business Insider he asked several lawyers if he had grounds to sue Twitter users for libel. (They said he didn't.)

But Garland has come to embrace his haters.

"I've never done hard drugs in my life. I'm naturally wired this way," he said. "For all these people saying I do all this cocaine, it's like — when is someone going to offer me cocaine? I've never done it, but pass the coke, guys. Where's the blow here?"

He claimed his detractors are a combination of leftists and misguided journalists, while some were "Russians and bots" certainly programmed by malicious foreign actors to be used against people attempting to expose injustice.

"A great number of journalists who supposedly have gravitas want to tag me with very juvenile high-school-like taunts," Garland said. "I guess this is the culture on Twitter."

Asked specifically to whom he was referring, Garland wouldn't say.

"I'm not going to justify the beefs — I got two hours of sleep last night. Yeah, f--- them," he said.
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« Reply #4544 on: March 30, 2017, 05:33:05 PM »
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127-tweet polemic

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« Reply #4545 on: March 30, 2017, 06:39:40 PM »
They flipped Flynn.  :lol   Offered to testify in exchange for immunity.

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« Reply #4546 on: March 30, 2017, 06:41:32 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

Flynn is reportedly going to testify (edit: offering to testify) in exchange for immunity. Now the same thing did happen with one of the people involved in the Clinton email server thing...
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« Reply #4547 on: March 30, 2017, 06:43:55 PM »
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Senators Joe Manchin and Heidi Heitkamp on Thursday became the first Democrats to support the confirmation of President Donald Trump's Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch, giving Republicans two of eight Democratic votes needed to avoid a nasty fight on the U.S. Senate floor next week.
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« Reply #4548 on: March 30, 2017, 06:44:38 PM »
http://designobserver.com/feature/im-with-her/39523
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Almost two years before, I was invited to volunteer my services on a secret project: the design of a logo for the possible presidential bid of the former First Lady and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton. I was excited. I had never met Secretary Clinton, but I liked her when she was my senator and I was impressed with her performance as Secretary of State. I had assumed she’d be the candidate in 2004, until Barack Obama had come along. Eight years later she was even more qualified. This was a historic moment. I said yes immediately.

I put together a three-person team: me, designer Jesse Reed, and project manager Julia Lemle. We would work in secret for the next two months.

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« Reply #4549 on: March 30, 2017, 06:56:53 PM »
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Barry Tapped My Wires • 7 minutes ago
The Watergate breakin and John Dean volunteering to testify: 581 days

Flynn Hired and volunteering to testify: 215 days

Donnie SHATTERING records... tards GOTTA BE TIRED of all the WINNING LOL
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Malcontent • 3 minutes ago
Trump would be fleeing to Russia right about now if he weren't surrounded by Secret Service.
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Freedom foundation • a few seconds ago
From "lock her up" to "please don't put me in jail" in only 3 months. My oh my how fast things can change.
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Dannyboy • a few seconds ago
Manafort, Stone, Page ...do yourself some good

Talk to the FBI while there is still time
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« Reply #4550 on: March 30, 2017, 06:58:57 PM »
Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

 Nobody has taken his offer fwiw

Interesting turn of events

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« Reply #4551 on: March 30, 2017, 07:02:37 PM »
Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

 Nobody has taken his offer fwiw

Okay, now we can all commence excited speculation.

Although I can't speak to the considerations involved in an investigation of this magnitude/sensitivity, my "professional" speculation on why there are no takers yet:

1) They are still mulling over the pros and cons and implications.  It wasn't even a week ago that Brawndolicious posted the rumours of Flynn flipping.  Decisions of that magnitude aren't made quickly.

2) They don't need Flynn's testimony to get what they want in the investigation. (This would be the dream option, imo, but possible)

3)  What Flynn has to offer in testimony, or what he is willing to offer in testimony, isn't sufficient/juicy enough to give him immunity for.  This would be the disappointing possibility, but could just be that Flynn is playing "silly bugger" by "offering" to cooperate while not FULLY offering to cooperate in good faith.

4) (and the option I can't speak much to) the people who could make the choice to give him that deal are being pressured politically in some way to not allow Flynn to blow the whole thing up.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #4552 on: March 30, 2017, 07:06:18 PM »

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #4553 on: March 30, 2017, 07:09:42 PM »
 :trumps

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #4554 on: March 30, 2017, 07:12:11 PM »
Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

 Nobody has taken his offer fwiw

Okay, now we can all commence excited speculation.

Although I can't speak to the considerations involved in an investigation of this magnitude/sensitivity, my "professional" speculation on why there are no takers yet:

1) They are still mulling over the pros and cons and implications.  It wasn't even a week ago that Brawndolicious posted the rumours of Flynn flipping.  Decisions of that magnitude aren't made quickly.

2) They don't need Flynn's testimony to get what they want in the investigation. (This would be the dream option, imo, but possible)

3)  What Flynn has to offer in testimony, or what he is willing to offer in testimony, isn't sufficient/juicy enough to give him immunity for.  This would be the disappointing possibility, but could just be that Flynn is playing "silly bugger" by "offering" to cooperate while not FULLY offering to cooperate in good faith.

4) (and the option I can't speak much to) the people who could make the choice to give him that deal are being pressured politically in some way to not allow Flynn to blow the whole thing up.

There's also the possibility that he has good information to provide but investigators are worried about the heat they'll get for offering immunity to a traitor.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #4555 on: March 30, 2017, 07:17:16 PM »
Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw

 Nobody has taken his offer fwiw

Okay, now we can all commence excited speculation.

Although I can't speak to the considerations involved in an investigation of this magnitude/sensitivity, my "professional" speculation on why there are no takers yet:

1) They are still mulling over the pros and cons and implications.  It wasn't even a week ago that Brawndolicious posted the rumours of Flynn flipping.  Decisions of that magnitude aren't made quickly.

2) They don't need Flynn's testimony to get what they want in the investigation. (This would be the dream option, imo, but possible)

3)  What Flynn has to offer in testimony, or what he is willing to offer in testimony, isn't sufficient/juicy enough to give him immunity for.  This would be the disappointing possibility, but could just be that Flynn is playing "silly bugger" by "offering" to cooperate while not FULLY offering to cooperate in good faith.

4) (and the option I can't speak much to) the people who could make the choice to give him that deal are being pressured politically in some way to not allow Flynn to blow the whole thing up.

There's also the possibility that he has good information to provide but investigators are worried about the heat they'll get for offering immunity to a traitor.

That's sort of encompassed in 4) (and 1), but really, Federal law enforcement depends upon making deals with bad people for cooperation.  That ain't no thang.  People with squeaky clean records don't need immunity, and don't make for very good sources of information, generally.  ;)
« Last Edit: March 30, 2017, 07:23:04 PM by Boogie »
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #4556 on: March 30, 2017, 07:23:25 PM »
maybe he's offering to testify against his former boss, Barack HUSSEIN Obama

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #4559 on: March 30, 2017, 10:54:22 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/29/politics/ivanka-trump-white-house-job/index.html

Theoretically, does this give her some protection from having to answer certain questions under oath?

Now I'm certain of it.  This move was about formally extending some kind of privilege because she was privy to Russia dirt.