US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-russia-investigation-now-has-specific-concrete-and-corroborative-evidence-of-collusion-a7683386.html

[Atramental]

Couldn't have picked a better time to reveal this info. 

[Let's Cyber]

Definitively prove ties with Trump administration to Russia. Eventually get his ass out of office.   


Trump get desperate,
does a lot of stupid shit (possibly including starting another war) to divert attention away from his crumbling House of Cards™. 

[agrajag]

What's this dude's Rentahamster's deal? Why's he stanning so hard for Trumpito?

[zomgee]

Lies, lies, lies! I did it! I did it all! There! Is that what you want, you smarmy little bastards?!

The point is only I could have executed such a masterpiece of electoral fraud and I have the records to prove it! Just look at these! Each one a work of Machiavellian art!

Because you need me, America. Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside, you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalise criminals and rule you like a king!

[agrajag]

He even has crazy hair like sideshow bob

[ToxicAdam]

Reading the gaf threads about any military action post trump  makes it seems like ww3 is happening yesterday. The Syria thread was ridiculous' as is the isis one and so on. I'd just disengage from the 24hour cycle personally.

This happened during the Bush adminstration also. Anytime a military ship passed through the Suez canal it generated a thread/story about an imminent Iranian war.

[FStop7]

NK needs to be dealt with.  If the upcoming test really is a hydrogen bomb then that's enough.  If we keep kicking the can down the road until they develop an ICBM then it's too late.

[Madrun Badrun]

I'm honestly for a war with NK.  I can't help feeling like the future will judge everyone now for our inaction.

I also can't help but feel that no matter who takes down NK, China will end up with it and I'm OK with that. 

[FStop7]

I don't think war is necessarily the solution but it probably will be. NK proved themselves to be dishonest actors when they made that agreement that Jimmy Carter brokered only to proudly declare years later that they'd lied and never intended on honoring that deal.  You can't negotiate with the regime in good faith.  They used VX in the middle of an airport, for fuck's sake.  The lack of international outrage over that was kind of amazing.

It really comes down to China and maybe Russia, too.  If there's not going to be a war then there needs to be enormous pressure from all sides, not just the US acting alone.  Otherwise it's probably going to mean a war.

[Trent Dole]

Sure the NK regime needed to be toppled ages ago, but does it really have to be the current US administration that does so?

[chronovore]

I don't know why you guys wouldn't be shook about North Korea. The people at the top are clearly desperate, crazy, have nothing to lose, depleted of resources, and they have nukes. I wouldn't poke that bee hive.

Enough about the Trump Administration

I have to admit, I kinda wonder what it's like for Li'l Kim to deal with another leader who doesn't care if his actions appear crazy. "You wanna get nuts?! Let's get nuts."

Also, admittedly, I am not happy to be living in the nearest, non-adjacent optimal target country.

[D3RANG3D]

I like how some dude during the fights between Antifa and Trump supporters at Berkeley was trying to hand people Pepsi's like that Pepsi ad that triggered social studies warriors.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/853604334944354305

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/853597199619543041

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/853595628655587334

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/853584968047636480

[Great Rumbler]

Also:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/853583417916755968

[thisismyusername]

Dunno if this has been posted, but:

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/16/trumps-millennial-problem-the-snowflakes-are-becoming-a-blizzard/

 

[curly]

Dunno if this has been posted, but:

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/16/trumps-millennial-problem-the-snowflakes-are-becoming-a-blizzard/

 

Social studies warriors rising up

[etiolate]

I like how some dude during the fights between Antifa and Trump supporters at Berkeley was trying to hand people Pepsi's like that Pepsi ad that triggered social studies warriors.

at least link if you bring it up



anyone arrested should only get bail if they can explain the reasoning behind pushing a dumpster down the street

[Nola]

Dunno if this has been posted, but:

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/16/trumps-millennial-problem-the-snowflakes-are-becoming-a-blizzard/

 

Social studies warriors rising up

It's all fun and well to make a witty sign for a catchy protest 6 months into a presidency, or even punch a Nazi or two when the opportunity presents itself, but until this generation proves they can show up and vote consistently, not just sometimes every four to eight years if the person hits their feels just right, I am going to remain cynical and don't really blame skeptics on either side for remaining skeptical.


... Or for occasionally taking some well earned shots at us for our tendencies to get morally outraged at the drop of a hat, demand immediate gratification, then never follow through by putting in the time and effort in the democratic process to sustain and steadily advance toward the change we claim to want

[curly]

Dunno if this has been posted, but:

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/16/trumps-millennial-problem-the-snowflakes-are-becoming-a-blizzard/

 

Social studies warriors rising up

It's all fun and well to make a witty sign for a catchy protest 6 months into a presidency, or even punch a Nazi or two when the opportunity presents itself, but until this generation proves they can show up and vote consistently, not just sometimes every four to eight years if the person hits their feels just right, I am going to remain cynical and don't really blame skeptics on either side for remaining skeptical.


... Or for occasionally taking some well earned shots at us for our tendencies to get morally outraged at the drop of a hat, demand immediate gratification, then never follow through by putting in the time and effort in the democratic process to sustain and steadily advance toward the change we claim to want

this sort of vague moralizing has been used to concern troll every generation as they came of age since time immemorial and is as effective in inspiring political action as saying "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is at curing poverty. The people punching nazis or marching in protests are much more likely to be politically organized than a bunch of premature olds on a message board. 

[Nola]

Dunno if this has been posted, but:

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/16/trumps-millennial-problem-the-snowflakes-are-becoming-a-blizzard/

 

Social studies warriors rising up

It's all fun and well to make a witty sign for a catchy protest 6 months into a presidency, or even punch a Nazi or two when the opportunity presents itself, but until this generation proves they can show up and vote consistently, not just sometimes every four to eight years if the person hits their feels just right, I am going to remain cynical and don't really blame skeptics on either side for remaining skeptical.


... Or for occasionally taking some well earned shots at us for our tendencies to get morally outraged at the drop of a hat, demand immediate gratification, then never follow through by putting in the time and effort in the democratic process to sustain and steadily advance toward the change we claim to want

this sort of vague moralizing has been used to concern troll every generation as they came of age since time immemorial and is as effective in inspiring political action as saying "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is at curing poverty. The people punching nazis or marching in protests are much more likely to be politically organized than a bunch of premature olds on a message board.

Not sure I was all that vague lol.

Though I wasn't really moralizing about Millennial's except to speak to the larger point about where shifts in political behavior should be measured. The author implies that this 6 months of increased advocacy, matching the population size of boomers, and a cobbled together list of other factors that she thinks sets this generation apart from prior ones, are in part a signal that Trumpanistas and older people should probably watch out because millennial's are ready to make their mark politically!

My main point is mostly that such a shift should be measured by voter turnout results and not everything is signaling this looming blizzard she speaks too( take for instance the work put together for this book making the case for an overall politically unaware youth, and one that is adverse and overwhelmingly negative toward engaging and being a part of the actual political system). And that until such a sustained voting output can be achieved, skepticism is a reasonable position to take. And it is understandable as to why their deepest concerns often get ignored or overlooked. Or why jokes continue to go on.

[Rufus]

Keep in mind that 'millennial' doesn't just refer to people born around the milennium, but also to people who've turned of age around the millennium. I would wager that covers most people active on this board.

Also: https://ssir.org/articles/entry/do_we_actually_want_higher_youth_voter_turnout (tl;dr: scroll down to the first chart)

And that until such a sustained voting output can be achieved,

Don't worry, current young folk will age into old folk, too. (See above.)

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To pointlessy try and tie this whole page together: why do you think Pepsi embarassed themselves with that commercial?

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[zomgee]

Keep in mind that 'millennial' doesn't just refer to people born around the milennium, but also to people who've turned of age around the millennium. I would wager that covers most people active on this board.

FUCK OFF.

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:'(

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[Rufus]

You're not alone, old man.

[T-Short]

https://twitter.com/politico/status/853999491279720457

 

[Madrun Badrun]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39586391

[Joe Molotov]

       https://twitter.com/DRUDGE_REPORT/status/853964297822650372
 

[etiolate]

https://twitter.com/politico/status/853999491279720457

 

He actually tossed it back to the kid. It's the camera angle that hides it.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I'm no chicken little, but it seems that the whole North Korea thing keeps escalating. They need to either do something or de-escalate.

Also, that tweet from Trump on the military. Am i reading it wrong? Is he in essence saying he can't control our military?

[Great Rumbler]

       https://twitter.com/DRUDGE_REPORT/status/853964297822650372
 

Trump actually retweeted that.

[Phoenix Dark]

A lot of people are  going to die, whether China is cool with this or not. SK, specifically Seoul, is going to be fucked. The NYT had a piece about the Obama admin's final days/months of dealing with this and aides said there is little to no intelligence about the specific location of NK leadership, making a decapitating strike impossible. Maybe China has that intelligence? But again, if they aren't on board...

And why would they be on board, given the humanitarian crisis that would occur when refugees flood their border. There is no easy solution here. Well outside of

[Great Rumbler]

Yeah, I just don't see how South Korea, maybe even parts of southwestern Japan, avoid getting blown to hell by a desperate NK leadership [short of a wide-scale, heavy, and surprise bombing campaign by America, South Korea, and China, and even that would be iffy] in the event that a war does happen.

And right now you've got Pence and Trump saying that they're tired of being patient with North Korea on one hand and North Korea saying they're going to start doing weekly missile launches on the other. It's definitely the right time to feel a little nervous.

[Steve Contra]

Trump has to decide whether his brand can withstand Seoul being a smoking crater if any strike goes off the rails. I suspect in his head he has some Osirik like scenario where there is a single precision strike and Kim Jon-Un is left shaking his fist at the sky.

[Madrun Badrun]

Trump has to decide whether his brand can withstand Seoul being a smoking crater if any strike goes off the rails.

because trump voters will care

[Madrun Badrun]

Like all those Trump voters who took their honeymoon in Seoul and have fond memories of the place.  And not like all those Trump voters who only know that Seoul is south of North Korea, maybe. 

[Steve Contra]

When I say "Trump brand" I mean his business interests.

[Madrun Badrun]

Right, I forgot that he's a business man and a president. 

[chronovore]

https://twitter.com/politico/status/853999491279720457

 

If there's a better analogy for Trump voters in the last election, I don't know what it is.

[FStop7]

I'm no chicken little, but it seems that the whole North Korea thing keeps escalating. They need to either do something or de-escalate.

Also, that tweet from Trump on the military. Am i reading it wrong? Is he in essence saying he can't control our military?

I just read that 2 more carrier groups are being sent to join the Carl Vinson.  The Nimitz and the Ronald Reagan.  I can't remember the last time that happened.  The first Gulf War, maybe?

[benjipwns]

the pepsi instantly refused by the cops

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"i can't get to the cabbage because the guy is bleeding"

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[benjipwns]

The Intercept conducted a quantitative study of all 28 TRMS episodes in the six-week period between February 20 and March 31. Russia-focused segments accounted for 53 percent of these broadcasts.

That figure is conservative, excluding segments where Russia was discussed, but was not the overarching topic.

Maddow’s Russia coverage has dwarfed the time devoted to other top issues, including Trump’s escalating crackdown on undocumented immigrants (1.3 percent of coverage); Obamacare repeal (3.8 percent); the legal battle over Trump’s Muslim ban (5.6 percent), a surge of anti-GOP activism and town halls since Trump took office (5.8 percent), and Trump administration scandals and stumbles (11 percent).

Maddow’s focus on Russia has helped her ratings, which are at their highest level since 2008.

g brown
April 17 2017, 4:18 p.m.
Whoa, going after Maddow for doing journalism! It’s only the most important, outrageous political and global scandal of our time. I hope she keeps right on reporting it.

BSdetector
April 17 2017, 3:33 p.m.
Maté, Greenwald, et. al. seem like they would’ve been the type to pooh-pooh the Watergate reporting of Woodward and Bernstein, as being a ‘distraction’ and ‘hyperbolic’.

Think about this: every time Rachel shows the photo of Flynn sitting next to Putin at that RT ‘ideas’ conference in Moscow that he was paid to attend (and bring along his son), she *doesn’t* point out that Jill Stein also is in the photo, also not far from Putin. The thing is, she doesn’t have to. She knows that most of her viewership already knows that Stein was just as much a pawn in Putin’s chess game to balkanize the American left as it seems that Greenwald, Assange, etc. are. And they’re angry about it.

‘When playing poker (or chess), if you can’t figure out who the sucker is, that means it’s you’.

Enemy ofthe Plutocracy
April 17 2017, 10:49 a.m.
why doesn’t my message get posted??
http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/intel-sources-donald-trump-and-three-advisers-caught-on-tape-committing-russian-treason/2327/

John Q Public
April 16 2017, 8:45 a.m.
http://thedailybanter.com/2017/04/the-intercept-goes-to-war-against-rachel-maddow/
“We need to seriously ask why the Greenwald crowd is so concerned about Maddow’s reporting. Why are Greenwald & Company trying to wave us off this one? Who are they protecting? Are they worried Putin will extradite Snowden back to America to face charges? There’s something hinky about this, and it has little to do with the thinness of the story, since it’s far from thin. Dost thou protest too much?”

Carole Craig
April 15 2017, 3:34 p.m.
Given ALL the things going on in the world, why is this worth your time and effort? So she’s lost it? So Democrats couldn’t organise a piss-up in a pub, much less front a resistance. We know that. The question is where are the stories that will help us figure out what to do next? Don’t gloat, organise.

Joe
April 15 2017, 3:02 p.m.
I became a Massachusetts republican in 1987 to help George HW Bush defeat Michael Dukakis. I took a lot of grief then. Once again I’m getting the same grief because I see no problem in Maddow’s coverage of Russian interference in the election or exploring the possibility that the Trump campaign may have colluded with that interference.

The collusion issue must be rigorously pursued until clear evidence either clears or implicates Trump. I knew when Manafort was named Chaiman of the Trump campaign that the connection to Russia was way to obvious based on what was already known about his ties to Putin allies in the Ukraine.

I’m not about to stand by and let anyone gain the power of the presidency in this manner. If elections are not fair then American democracy is a sham. That should be every American’s primary concern after every election and any inappropriate behavior must be thoroughly investigated. No mater what race it occurs.

recliner
April 15 2017, 12:32 p.m.
The fact that your reporter figured out to the minute and the % how much time Maddow spends on Russia story, to the relative exclusion of other stories, suggests that the Intercept is pretty obsessed itself.

People trying to squelch this story almost always point to the fact that there’s no evidence. This is absurd. Detectives, whether the FBI or your local ones, don’t regularly tell the public what the evidence is when they are in the middle of an investigation.

This reeks of desperation from the Intercept.

Ken
April 15 2017, 1:03 p.m.
The Washington Post saw Watergate connections everywhere too….

Ken...M?

[I'm a Puppy!]

The thing that worries me about the whole North Korea build up is I can totally see the armed forces being like "We'll do a lightning strike and take out all there capabilities before they can do anything. Low, almost no collateral damage." And Trump being dumb enough to buy it.

[benjipwns]

the key question is whether or not any military plan contains a proposal to blow all the glass back off the Ryugyong Hotel, it looked way cooler when it was just an empty concrete husk towering over the skyline

plus it's still empty inside, so low, almost no causalities required

[Atramental]

The thing that worries me about the whole North Korea build up is I can totally see the armed forces being like "We'll do a lightning strike and take out all there capabilities before they can do anything. Low, almost no collateral damage." And Trump being dumb enough to buy it.

possible_nuke_area?.jpeg

I could easily see Trump buying into something like that. 

[Great Rumbler]

The thing that worries me about the whole North Korea build up is I can totally see the armed forces being like "We'll do a lightning strike and take out all there capabilities before they can do anything. Low, almost no collateral damage." And Trump being dumb enough to buy it.

It'll be a very short war, the war will pay for itself, hailed as liberators, ect.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/852973977333006342

[Atramental]

the key question is whether or not any military plan contains a proposal to blow all the glass back off the Ryugyong Hotel, it looked way cooler when it was just an empty concrete husk towering over the skyline

plus it's still empty inside, so low, almost no causalities required

Trump: "Wait... we don't want to damage the hotel."
General: "Sir?"
Trump: "*mutters* Trump Hotel Pyongyang... hmmm..."

[Nola]

The thing that worries me about the whole North Korea build up is I can totally see the armed forces being like "We'll do a lightning strike and take out all there capabilities before they can do anything. Low, almost no collateral damage." And Trump being dumb enough to buy it.

Not sure what it says when my only positive sounding counter I can think of to this is that maybe most of our armed forces and intelligence sector, based on the sense that a good amount of these upper level career public servants/military men are not exactly liking the cut of this Trump fellas jib, might feel a bit uneasy advocating engagements where they will ultimately have to rely on Trump and his merry men to make tough strategic calls and balance complex but fragile international relationships.

[Brehvolution]

Aren't there a significant amount of the world's CPU's and memory made in South Korea?

[benjipwns]

I think most of that stuff has shifted further into Southeast Asia over the last few decades. Thailand, Malaysia, etc.

Remember a few years ago when they had all those monsoon floods and HDD prices skyrocketed?

[chronovore]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/17/donald-trump-erdogan-turkey-referendum-congratulations

Trump says hai gratz on the new dictatorial powers; i'm right behind ya!

[benjipwns]

The leaders again discussed the campaign against the the terrorists group on the call on Monday and agreed on “the need to cooperate against all groups that use terrorism to achieve their ends”

don't go too far out on that limb guys

[Cerveza mas fina]

Im sure the US military could take out North Korea fighting capabilities in a night, but maybe not before they can shell Seoul

Im kind of for it though

[Joe Molotov]

The leaders again discussed the campaign against the the terrorists group on the call on Monday and agreed on “the need to cooperate against all groups that use terrorism to achieve their ends”

don't go too far out on that limb guys

Well, if you read the terrorists' constitution, it says that they're devoted to peace and understanding.

[Brehvolution]

https://www.usafacts.org/

[FStop7]

amerifacts.cryingeagle.us

[Joe Molotov]

Let me usasplain it you.

[FStop7]

Apparently it's untrue that the Reagan and Nimitz are being sent to join the Vinson at the Korean peninsula because the Vinson isn't even there.

https://www.stripes.com/news/carl-vinson-strike-group-seen-near-indonesia-not-the-korean-peninsula-1.464071#.WPZgdWnythE

[Raist]

11 dimensional game of Battleship.

[I'm a Puppy!]

So yesterday there was general panic when it was announced Trump was going to make an executive order on H1Bs. It's been a system long abused and everyone was really freaking out that it would go badly for them. Then now that the executive order is just telling some agencies to think about "stuff" there's a collective sigh or relief. So funny how 24 hours ago it was "PANIC!!!!!" now it's "Oh, nevermind."