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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #gopsucks
« Reply #50700 on: February 02, 2020, 04:10:13 PM »
That's closer to 6'0" than 6'1" :dead
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« Reply #50701 on: February 02, 2020, 04:13:39 PM »
I knew you were the type to round up :dead
6'0 or 6'1 it doesn't really matter to me. But when I asked how it would translate, they said it would be 6'1 :idont
And even though I'm above average in height even here in The Netherlands there's also plenty of people taller than me.
My brother is 6'2 and a guy at work easily 6'3.


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« Reply #50702 on: February 02, 2020, 04:15:42 PM »
Same height as Putin, Lenin, and Lil Wayne
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« Reply #50703 on: February 02, 2020, 04:19:15 PM »
Same height as Putin, Lenin, and Lil Wayne
5'7 then. Well, that's taller than Mini Mike  :trumps
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« Reply #50704 on: February 02, 2020, 04:20:30 PM »
Just wait till shotststa hits puberty tho.

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« Reply #50705 on: February 02, 2020, 04:24:35 PM »
https://twitter.com/business/status/1224064833412354051

These people are absolutely shameless  :lol
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #gopsucks
« Reply #50706 on: February 02, 2020, 04:24:57 PM »
5'7 then. Well, that's taller than Mini Mike  :trumps
Wait, I thought Putin was 5'5". He's the same height whenever he stands next to Merkel!
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« Reply #50707 on: February 02, 2020, 04:30:00 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heights_of_presidents_and_presidential_candidates_of_the_United_States

fortunately, Bernie is no distinguished vertically-challenged fellow




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« Reply #50708 on: February 02, 2020, 04:31:40 PM »
https://twitter.com/philosophrob/status/1224014468407009280

2024 Presidential Election is going to be wild.

bernie so cheap  :lol typical j...  :-[
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« Reply #50710 on: February 02, 2020, 04:33:33 PM »
5'7 then. Well, that's taller than Mini Mike  :trumps
Wait, I thought Putin was 5'5". He's the same height whenever he stands next to Merkel!
Google says he's 5'7 but if it doesn't say that there's probably no more Google  :lol
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« Reply #50711 on: February 02, 2020, 04:35:33 PM »
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« Reply #50712 on: February 02, 2020, 04:49:16 PM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/john-kerry-overheard-discussing-possible-2020-bid-amid-concern-sanders-n1128476


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« Reply #50713 on: February 02, 2020, 04:49:58 PM »
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John Kerry?! :sabu
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« Reply #50716 on: February 02, 2020, 05:59:27 PM »
stealing the cum?

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« Reply #50717 on: February 02, 2020, 06:03:17 PM »
John Kerry vs Trump  :lawd
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« Reply #50719 on: February 02, 2020, 07:00:03 PM »
the trumps super bowl commercial  :lol
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« Reply #50720 on: February 02, 2020, 07:57:26 PM »
Something that crossed my which I think is true: Sanders is unique in that he gets attacked by Trump for his ideas.  That has to be a good sign, right?

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #gopsucks
« Reply #50721 on: February 02, 2020, 07:59:26 PM »
It's not true and it wouldn't be a good sign even if it were.
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« Reply #50722 on: February 02, 2020, 08:02:12 PM »
if you're a socdem who thinks trump has good political instincts, then trump seeing bernie's ideas as a liability would be bad

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« Reply #50723 on: February 02, 2020, 08:30:26 PM »
More that he doesn't have anything else that he can get him on. 

Edit:  Ok, you got me, Mandark.

Wait, it's good because Bernie's policies are actually popular.  The most superficial things that you could make fun of Sanders (hair, waving arms) are more like a trademark so he sort of has Trump like armor there.  He's perceived as authentic and honest so that closes other lines of attack.  Calling him a socialist is a bit of a so what. 
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« Reply #50724 on: February 02, 2020, 08:48:20 PM »
Sanders' policies are not popular and medicare for all is probably more susceptible to a concerted propaganda effort than Obamacare ever was.

EDIT: Perhaps tuition free college and student debt forgiveness is popular.
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« Reply #50725 on: February 02, 2020, 08:55:36 PM »
Wait, it's good because Bernie's policies are actually popular.

well that's why I qualified it: if we think trump's canny about this stuff it's a bad sign, if he's not and it's actually popular then it's all good

personally I don't think trump's political judgment is so special we have to defer to it, but also bernie fans tend to be overly bullish on how much public support his program has

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« Reply #50726 on: February 02, 2020, 08:56:13 PM »
And medicare for all.  Left wing policies are popular.  It's the people supporting them who are not.  It's the point Ralph Nader has been making for over 20 years.

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #gopsucks
« Reply #50727 on: February 02, 2020, 08:59:50 PM »
bernie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ralph

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« Reply #50728 on: February 02, 2020, 09:04:44 PM »
could Esch even invent a hypothetical more damning to american electoralism than the ostensibly left-wing protest candidate writing a book called "only the super-rich can save us?"

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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| #gopsucks
« Reply #50729 on: February 02, 2020, 09:06:50 PM »
M4A is a crapshoot once you tell people you have to raise taxes or they lose their current insurance. On the bright side, elections aren't all about policies, and Bernie himself is an affable person that people do like.
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« Reply #50730 on: February 02, 2020, 09:19:56 PM »
not really, just got a bunch of middlemen siphoning funds
I don't really like it when people call it "free healthcare", it makes it sound unreasonable when it is really just a universal health plan handled by someone who doesn't need to grow profits quarter after quarter or screw you over

is it perfect? no
but it is sure a hell of a lot better than whatever else

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« Reply #50731 on: February 02, 2020, 09:27:17 PM »
"m4a has to be popular, it's objectively good!"

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« Reply #50732 on: February 02, 2020, 09:30:10 PM »
M4A is a crapshoot once you tell people you have to raise taxes or they lose their current insurance. On the bright side, elections aren't all about policies, and Bernie himself is an affable person that people do like.
I think the selling point for people with insurance from their employer is that you could change jobs or not lose insurance if you are fired.  It would do a lot to change the power dynamics in the work place. 

I actually have fairly good insurance while having an otherwise shitty job thanks to working at a unionized grocery store.  It seems like during every contract negotiation the fear of changing the insurance policy contributes a lot to everyone being too fearful to actually bargain for something good.  It also contributes to a division between people are concerned about their insurance and new hires who might just want a living wage.   It's not the only thing weakening the union (tiered contracts based on seniority and the oldest, most reliable voters only being concerned about maintaining what they already have is the biggest issue) but it's part of it.


Edit: my biggest concern about actually implementing m4a (because I'm a crazy person) is what it will do to all of the poor middlemen.  Honestly, wouldn't it really suck to work for Allstate the day that we manage to pass m4a?  There's a lot of losers anytime you change a major policy like that.  But the same could be said for people who work in the justice department and legalizing things like marijuana, but it's a poor reason to keep something unjust because it gives somebody job security.

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« Reply #50733 on: February 02, 2020, 09:44:21 PM »
You don't have to sell me on it - I was in here during the debates moaning like I was passing a kidney stone every time someone attacked M4A for disingenuous reasons. I'm just saying that Sanders isn't backed by some silent majority hankering for socialism. He's a lot more vulnerable and this country is a lot more conservative than his supporters admit. His main advantage isn't really his policies per se but his authenticity - that's partly because of his policies but also for other reasons, like he's a white guy, and he doesn't talk about gay people very much.
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« Reply #50734 on: February 02, 2020, 10:03:49 PM »
Edit: my biggest concern about actually implementing m4a (because I'm a crazy person) is what it will do to all of the poor middlemen.  Honestly, wouldn't it really suck to work for Allstate the day that we manage to pass m4a?  There's a lot of losers anytime you change a major policy like that.  But the same could be said for people who work in the justice department and legalizing things like marijuana, but it's a poor reason to keep something unjust because it gives somebody job security.

obviously the deathpanels are hiring  :)

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« Reply #50736 on: February 02, 2020, 10:26:58 PM »


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« Reply #50737 on: February 02, 2020, 10:33:06 PM »
Thank you, Kansas City 49ers for your great comeback against the Miami Chiefs.
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« Reply #50738 on: February 02, 2020, 10:37:28 PM »
i used to live just south of nevada city, california. someone ought to pass a law that bans confusing names like that.
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« Reply #50739 on: February 02, 2020, 11:40:19 PM »
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« Reply #50740 on: February 02, 2020, 11:44:03 PM »
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« Reply #50741 on: February 02, 2020, 11:45:51 PM »

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« Reply #50743 on: February 03, 2020, 12:25:15 AM »
Praying for Sanders Iowa win so hard
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« Reply #50744 on: February 03, 2020, 12:25:33 AM »
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« Reply #50745 on: February 03, 2020, 12:28:09 AM »
dear diary,

today on the bore i said sanders is unpopular and his supporters are stoopid. for some reason i received no likes. i am starting to wonder if this was ill-considered.
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« Reply #50746 on: February 03, 2020, 12:33:02 AM »
I don't even know what Chapo is.

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« Reply #50747 on: February 03, 2020, 12:40:37 AM »
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« Reply #50748 on: February 03, 2020, 04:00:48 AM »
I don't even know what Chapo is.

A leftist podcast. Never listened to it but it sounds very "How do you do fellow proles ?" in its edginess.
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« Reply #50749 on: February 03, 2020, 04:06:33 AM »
I think they're part of the 'dirtbag left' which as far as I can tell is like people who call right wingers 'tards and what not?
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« Reply #50750 on: February 03, 2020, 05:35:22 AM »
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Because our kids and dogs are so sexy!
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« Reply #50751 on: February 03, 2020, 05:48:35 AM »
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« Reply #50752 on: February 03, 2020, 05:53:15 AM »
:thinking

Joe X Rumbler makes a lot more sense now  :doge
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« Reply #50753 on: February 03, 2020, 06:16:07 AM »
Praying for Sanders Iowa win so hard

Prayin'? Nah.


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« Reply #50754 on: February 03, 2020, 07:22:43 AM »
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Democrats need a 'dark horse,' not a front-runner, to win in November

While uncertainty abounds over what will happen in Iowa on Monday night, it is clear that if the Iowa caucuses were the proverbial smoke-filled back room of the party bosses, rather than a wintry endurance test for activists, Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) would win. After gaming out the pros and cons of the available candidates, the bosses would realize that she is the most electable “dark horse” in the race.

An ideological moderate, Klobuchar’s bipartisan track record makes her broadly acceptable to the wider electorate. She hails from the Midwest and has demonstrated that she can win in Republican districts. She possesses an impressive political resume and has served in the U.S. Senate since 2006. She also offers more benefits than any of the four front-runners.

According to a year’s worth of qualitative data collected by YouGov, Klobuchar is perceived as not only “intelligent,” “competent” and “reliable” but also “likable” and “committed.” This combination is no small feat. Only former vice president Joe Biden and former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg also are thought to be both “intelligent” and “likable,” but neither is considered “competent” or “reliable.” Even though Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) are perceived as “intelligent,” neither is seen as “likable.” While both senators also are believed to be candidates who will “stand up for ordinary people,” neither is viewed as “committed.”

Taken together, Klobuchar appears to be the most relatable. She also is the least likely to prove controversial or have one of her positive traits (such as “passionate”) be turned into a negative one (such as “stubborn” or “inflexible”) with opposition attacks. In short, it’s hard to make “reliable” into a bad thing — maybe “boring”?

Even so, boring could be good for Democrats in this election. Democrats must make this a referendum on President Trump, not just some ugly contest over which party’s base is angrier. A progressive crusader (Warren or Sanders) focused on a mobilization strategy helps Trump because it will push most right-leaning suburban voters back into the GOP fold. Further, a partisan death match fronted by two old, white men shouting insults at each other (Trump and Sanders) would disgust occasional voters who won’t then likely vote but whom the Democrats desperately need to make their Electoral College majority.

Democrats need a candidate Republicans can’t demonize. Of course, it is this knowledge that keeps Biden’s candidacy afloat, but the reality is that Biden’s electability always has been more of a wishful illusion propagated by nostalgia-oriented elites (i.e., Barack Obama’s presidency was a “Golden Age”) than a hard-headed partisan calculation (i.e., many of those who voted for Trump vehemently opposed Obama’s presidency, and Democrats are not likely to win back those voters by nominating Obama’s vice president).

Simply put, Biden is better in theory than in fact. In theory, Biden is the “safe” pick — a former vice president with loads of experience and a likable personality. In fact, he is the weakest “safe” pick by a party since former Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kan.) in 1996. And Dole was a war hero.

What does Biden have? Biden’s legislative record makes him more out of touch with the electorate than former Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), also a war hero, was in 2004. Biden’s propensity for gaffes and touchy-feely tendencies also make him weaker than Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), who sometimes could be too literal or formal for his own good (e.g., “friends that are NASCAR team owners” and “the 47 percent”).

But beyond these long-present liabilities, Biden already has been “swift-boated.” As a result of the Republicans’ desperate search for conspiracy theories to cover their own president’s wrongdoing and abuse of power with respect to Ukraine, Biden has become damaged goods. And now that the Ukraine energy company Burisma is associated in many Americans’ minds with “corruption” (irrespective of any facts or truth), all of Biden’s family ties are sure to not only come under scrutiny but also attack.

The only line of attack that seems likely to reemerge from Klobuchar’s past is the, yes, sexist one (see also, “Women Have to Be Likable”) that she is a tough boss and overly ambitious. Still, in the grand scheme of things, the party bosses also likely would view Klobuchar’s “tough” reputation as an attribute, rather than a defect, given that she would be going up against Trump, whose celebrity status rose on the false impression that he relished firing people.   

There is only one other candidate in the current Democratic field who fits the “boring” bill but in a somewhat different way: Michael Bloomberg. Since Bloomberg isn’t running in Iowa, he poses no competition to Klobuchar on Monday night.

With all of this said, Iowa party activists who don’t want to make a mistake should vote with their heads, not hearts. Although Klobuchar may not make it all the way through what is sure to be a long and expensive Democratic nomination process, they can be assured that if she were to become the party’s standard-bearer, she is a strong “dark horse” and, with room on the track, she could outrun the Republicans’ “favorite.”   

Lara M. Brown is director of the Graduate School of Political Management at the George Washington University and the author of the forthcoming book, "Amateur Hour: Presidential Character and the Question of Leadership." Follow her on Twitter @LaraMBrownPhD. 

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« Reply #50755 on: February 03, 2020, 08:22:02 AM »
Boring = good? Lol

They really think Americans just gonna chill when we are still feeling the effects of the great recession 11 years and some 6 months later. Lmao
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« Reply #50756 on: February 03, 2020, 08:36:58 AM »
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Democrats need a 'dark horse,' not a front-runner, to win in November

While uncertainty abounds over what will happen in Iowa on Monday night, it is clear that if the Iowa caucuses were the proverbial smoke-filled back room of the party bosses, rather than a wintry endurance test for activists, Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) would win. After gaming out the pros and cons of the available candidates, the bosses would realize that she is the most electable “dark horse” in the race.

An ideological moderate, Klobuchar’s bipartisan track record makes her broadly acceptable to the wider electorate. She hails from the Midwest and has demonstrated that she can win in Republican districts. She possesses an impressive political resume and has served in the U.S. Senate since 2006. She also offers more benefits than any of the four front-runners.

According to a year’s worth of qualitative data collected by YouGov, Klobuchar is perceived as not only “intelligent,” “competent” and “reliable” but also “likable” and “committed.” This combination is no small feat. Only former vice president Joe Biden and former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg also are thought to be both “intelligent” and “likable,” but neither is considered “competent” or “reliable.” Even though Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) are perceived as “intelligent,” neither is seen as “likable.” While both senators also are believed to be candidates who will “stand up for ordinary people,” neither is viewed as “committed.”

Taken together, Klobuchar appears to be the most relatable. She also is the least likely to prove controversial or have one of her positive traits (such as “passionate”) be turned into a negative one (such as “stubborn” or “inflexible”) with opposition attacks. In short, it’s hard to make “reliable” into a bad thing — maybe “boring”?

Even so, boring could be good for Democrats in this election. Democrats must make this a referendum on President Trump, not just some ugly contest over which party’s base is angrier. A progressive crusader (Warren or Sanders) focused on a mobilization strategy helps Trump because it will push most right-leaning suburban voters back into the GOP fold. Further, a partisan death match fronted by two old, white men shouting insults at each other (Trump and Sanders) would disgust occasional voters who won’t then likely vote but whom the Democrats desperately need to make their Electoral College majority.

Democrats need a candidate Republicans can’t demonize. Of course, it is this knowledge that keeps Biden’s candidacy afloat, but the reality is that Biden’s electability always has been more of a wishful illusion propagated by nostalgia-oriented elites (i.e., Barack Obama’s presidency was a “Golden Age”) than a hard-headed partisan calculation (i.e., many of those who voted for Trump vehemently opposed Obama’s presidency, and Democrats are not likely to win back those voters by nominating Obama’s vice president).

Simply put, Biden is better in theory than in fact. In theory, Biden is the “safe” pick — a former vice president with loads of experience and a likable personality. In fact, he is the weakest “safe” pick by a party since former Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kan.) in 1996. And Dole was a war hero.

What does Biden have? Biden’s legislative record makes him more out of touch with the electorate than former Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), also a war hero, was in 2004. Biden’s propensity for gaffes and touchy-feely tendencies also make him weaker than Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), who sometimes could be too literal or formal for his own good (e.g., “friends that are NASCAR team owners” and “the 47 percent”).

But beyond these long-present liabilities, Biden already has been “swift-boated.” As a result of the Republicans’ desperate search for conspiracy theories to cover their own president’s wrongdoing and abuse of power with respect to Ukraine, Biden has become damaged goods. And now that the Ukraine energy company Burisma is associated in many Americans’ minds with “corruption” (irrespective of any facts or truth), all of Biden’s family ties are sure to not only come under scrutiny but also attack.

The only line of attack that seems likely to reemerge from Klobuchar’s past is the, yes, sexist one (see also, “Women Have to Be Likable”) that she is a tough boss and overly ambitious. Still, in the grand scheme of things, the party bosses also likely would view Klobuchar’s “tough” reputation as an attribute, rather than a defect, given that she would be going up against Trump, whose celebrity status rose on the false impression that he relished firing people.   

There is only one other candidate in the current Democratic field who fits the “boring” bill but in a somewhat different way: Michael Bloomberg. Since Bloomberg isn’t running in Iowa, he poses no competition to Klobuchar on Monday night.

With all of this said, Iowa party activists who don’t want to make a mistake should vote with their heads, not hearts. Although Klobuchar may not make it all the way through what is sure to be a long and expensive Democratic nomination process, they can be assured that if she were to become the party’s standard-bearer, she is a strong “dark horse” and, with room on the track, she could outrun the Republicans’ “favorite.”   

Lara M. Brown is director of the Graduate School of Political Management at the George Washington University and the author of the forthcoming book, "Amateur Hour: Presidential Character and the Question of Leadership." Follow her on Twitter @LaraMBrownPhD. 

Great post, thanks benji.
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« Reply #50757 on: February 03, 2020, 08:39:01 AM »
Does the average American even know who klobuchar even is?

I remember taking a break from the debates because they'd air while I was working and watched the January Iowa debate and went,"wait, who the fuck is that again?" when I saw her on the stage.

Thinking you can beat trump with a boring ass candidate in 2020 :dead
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« Reply #50758 on: February 03, 2020, 09:34:49 AM »
I'm selling all my predict it positions today

The American people fucked me over in 2016.
I'm not going to rely on a bunch of fucking iowans to protect daddy's nest egg
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« Reply #50759 on: February 03, 2020, 10:21:13 AM »
In my new book I describe a number of scenarios that could lead to election meltdown and put the fate of the 2020 presidential election before the Court. For example, suppose that Russian hackers target the power grid on Election Day in a major democratic city in a swing state (think Detroit or Milwaukee). The outage disrupts voting in that city, depressing Democratic turnout and causing the state to tilt to Trump in the Electoral College and pushing him to victory.