US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[nachobro]

yeah Cody Hillis seems slightly less than genuine

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1235204464044195841

https://twitter.com/cody_hillis/status/1235208997801779200



They've already brought out their go to's. A vote for _____ is a vote for _____.

Democrats utterly disgust me. Unfortunately as of yesterday I'm registered D because of the primary. Fuck!

That person is a troll, Cindi. They’re literally retweeting Trump and Gab.com

Stay in character Joe 

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1235204464044195841

https://twitter.com/cody_hillis/status/1235208997801779200



They've already brought out their go to's. A vote for _____ is a vote for _____.

Democrats utterly disgust me. Unfortunately as of yesterday I'm registered D because of the primary. Fuck!

That person is a troll, Cindi. They’re literally retweeting Trump and Gab.com

https://twitter.com/NJevne/status/1235208685086883840

Please unite

[Brehvolution]

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I won’t lose.

Biggest gaffe yet. Doesn't Joe know what Pontiac stands for?

[BIONIC]

Biden will put up 300+ EVs against Trump, so no idea why everyone is so dour.

He leads in the polling averages in sufficient states to win. We had a +13 Dem Generic Congressional Ballot poll today. Everything is looking good.

I remember when things looked pretty good in 2016 too.

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[Himu]

Biden will put up 300+ EVs against Trump, so no idea why everyone is so dour.

He leads in the polling averages in sufficient states to win. We had a +13 Dem Generic Congressional Ballot poll today. Everything is looking good.

I remember when things looked pretty good in 2016 too.

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Things will be fine. I've been told hundreds of times on this very forum that Hillary Clinton was the only candidate who could lose to Trump.

In 2016 there were only two candidates.

Biden will lose.

[nachobro]

it's fine glen, sometimes you gotta let it out. now that i've gotten that out it's time to continue working for bernie. i hope you continue to use your clearly expensive and very important skillset to build bridges between the moderates and bernie, since you surely were doing that before and definitely not pointing fingers at others while doing nothing.

remember, it's not me. it's US.

[Himu]

I was told repeatedly that we lost because Dems who obviously would have cruised in 2016, like Biden and Warren, stayed out.

I don't know about that and I've never really heard that argument.

Trump is a unique candidate.

[nachobro]

thank you for your patience esch and everyone else i probably annoyed this morning

[Nintex]

Does anyone have a clue why Trump has gotten so many votes on Super Tuesday even in blue states?
He was pretty much uncontested so why was the Republican turn-out higher than 2016 and sometimes even higher than his vote share in the GE of 2016?

[Himu]

Does anyone have a clue why Trump has gotten so many votes on Super Tuesday even in blue states?
He was pretty much uncontested so why was the Republican turn-out higher than 2016 and sometimes even higher than his vote share in the GE of 2016?

Because it's a message and Trump is going to win.

[james]

Does anyone have a clue why Trump has gotten so many votes on Super Tuesday even in blue states?
He was pretty much uncontested so why was the Republican turn-out higher than 2016 and sometimes even higher than his vote share in the GE of 2016?

I noticed this too but nobody is talking about it.

Last I saw he had more votes in texas than all the Ds combined.

[james]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/election-results/texas-democratic-primary-live-results/

King County in Texas had 2 (two) votes. One for Bernie, one for Bloomie.

Julian Castro won a county where 58 people voted for him

[OnlyRegret]

Does anyone have a clue why Trump has gotten so many votes on Super Tuesday even in blue states?
He was pretty much uncontested so why was the Republican turn-out higher than 2016 and sometimes even higher than his vote share in the GE of 2016?

I've no clue, I saw the Kirk tweet but didn't know whether you were conveniently covering up something inconvenient as usual

[nachobro]

the real question is how did bill weld get a delegate?

[james]

the real question is how did bill weld get a delegate?

He was pulling like 10% in Utah, the best state

[Coffee Dog]

why wouldn't i want to work on reaching out to sweethearts like that? i'll stick to getting new voters and hope the rest of you shits can deal with getting dragged along kicking and screaming.

keep doing nothing but lashing out and dismissing your "lessers", i'm sure that'll build whatever coalition you pretend to care about

And you'll fail. Biden will probably win New Mexico, and if he doesn't, he'll still win the nomination. Everything you're doing will amount to absolutely nothing. Your cause is lost, and you won't make even the slightest bit of difference.

Imagine smugly telling people they'll never be able to give healthcare and schooling to the needy

Every Dem wants everyone to have good healthcare and schooling.

...breh.. 

[Himu]

why wouldn't i want to work on reaching out to sweethearts like that? i'll stick to getting new voters and hope the rest of you shits can deal with getting dragged along kicking and screaming.

keep doing nothing but lashing out and dismissing your "lessers", i'm sure that'll build whatever coalition you pretend to care about

And you'll fail. Biden will probably win New Mexico, and if he doesn't, he'll still win the nomination. Everything you're doing will amount to absolutely nothing. Your cause is lost, and you won't make even the slightest bit of difference.

Imagine smugly telling people they'll never be able to give healthcare and schooling to the needy

Every Dem wants everyone to have good healthcare and schooling.

[Himu]

[Himu]

Glenda, something to consider. Biden isn't as popular as Hillary. But he's also not as unpopular as Hillary either. The polling for him might be accurate and you may be right. This also explains why Bernie isn't doing well on the ballot in areas he did well in 2016. Maybe 2016 was due to the Hillary factor and people went for him because he wasn't her. Which gives credence to your sexism argument.

[thisismyusername]

I can tell you I went to vote in the morning for the general and mid-terms only to get out of line because I needed to get to work. I went back after my shift because, thankfully, my shift ended before polls closed. But I don't fault kids for going "fuck, I can't sit here. *bolts out*" due to life-factors.

almost every state has laws for requesting time off to vote and you can also mail in your ballot weeks ahead of time

And according to reddit, those states are "2 hours max, otherwise tough shit" and "unless you're 65+ years old, you more than likely aren't eligible for early voting." So feel free to correct me on that, because I'm dubious that is the panache for getting younger-voters to actually fucking vote over 7+ hour lines if the voting establishments (state, federal) make it a PITA to actually vote early or the day-of.

Every Dem wants everyone to have good healthcare and schooling.

If they did, they'd be voting Sanders. Not Neoliberal Joe "I'M FUCKING INVICIBLE!" Biden, dude.

Sanders stans are the most arrogant, self-righteous fucks on the planet.

If we're annoying, what does that make the DNC who doesn't fucking listen to the younger generation and push these policies that you oh so think they want to push?

[Himu]

I can tell you I went to vote in the morning for the general and mid-terms only to get out of line because I needed to get to work. I went back after my shift because, thankfully, my shift ended before polls closed. But I don't fault kids for going "fuck, I can't sit here. *bolts out*" due to life-factors.

almost every state has laws for requesting time off to vote and you can also mail in your ballot weeks ahead of time

And according to reddit, those states are "2 hours max, otherwise tough shit" and "unless you're 65+ years old, you more than likely aren't eligible for early voting." So feel free to correct me on that, because I'm dubious that is the panache for getting younger-voters to actually fucking vote over 7+ hour lines if the voting establishments (state, federal) make it a PITA to actually vote early or the day-of.

Let's be reality.

Voting ain't hard.

Early voting is a fairly easy act. You have two full weeks. Shit is even open on the weekends.

[thisismyusername]

I can tell you I went to vote in the morning for the general and mid-terms only to get out of line because I needed to get to work. I went back after my shift because, thankfully, my shift ended before polls closed. But I don't fault kids for going "fuck, I can't sit here. *bolts out*" due to life-factors.

almost every state has laws for requesting time off to vote and you can also mail in your ballot weeks ahead of time

And according to reddit, those states are "2 hours max, otherwise tough shit" and "unless you're 65+ years old, you more than likely aren't eligible for early voting." So feel free to correct me on that, because I'm dubious that is the panache for getting younger-voters to actually fucking vote over 7+ hour lines if the voting establishments (state, federal) make it a PITA to actually vote early or the day-of.

Let's be reality.

Voting ain't hard.

Early voting is a fairly easy act. You have two full weeks. Shit is even open on the weekends.

I'm talking mail-in. If you're talking Early (physical) voting that's another can of worms:

-Limited areas (not in rural, hello experience! Sidenote: In said experience, city only has THREE locations max. Not even on the college campus despite being a college town. Hello excluding college-age voters!)
-Long lines just like physical day-of

"BUT TWO WEEKS EARLY!"

Doesn't matter if the experience is just as painful/long as the day-of.

[headwalk]

1200 FACEBOOK FRIENDS

[VomKriege]

Is there a rule that you need money to run?

At some point Trump's campaign was in the red until his people pleaded with him to put in 20 million, which he did sort of.

if you can convince people to work for free you don't have to spend anything, but no money makes it tough to pay for places to host rallies and to put up ads in states that have primaries. plus the whole traveling thing.

You, benji or someone else posted a story that she has 6m/month payroll for her operation (unionized, even). Kudos for that BTW. But yeah she probably needs money even with minimal advertisement running.

[Himu]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/04/joe-biden-probe-2020-election-120924?fbclid=IwAR2zcepsH05mmOTG0WjUZi07Wnv_4Jvb9NZ6OaWjProN0ASfBW94IuDN4UE



Republicans already on the attack.

[thisismyusername]

In any case, here's a meme for these trying times:

[OnlyRegret]

Just where does that animosity come from?

[Himu]

There are so many countries with universal healthcare that aren't single payer. It's ridiculous to have to read day in and day out that single payer is the only option, and anything else is some kind of corrupt or cowardly half-measure. With sufficient political will we could get to something closer to the German system. This would be a much easier transition than trying to tear everything down and do M4A.

Medicare for More combined with some other policy options would be fine and much less disruptive as well.

At the end of the day the single biggest problem in the U.S. healthcare system is price - price per surgery, per drug, per medical device, etc. Just about any system would work better if you could cut prices by 1/3rd or more. Obviously forcing all providers to accept Medicaid reimbursement rates would be one way to do it, but it's not the only way.

Here's my argument for Bernie's M4A single payer system:

It's better to start on something like single payer and negotiate down to a private and public option rather than start with a public option and then end up with the abortion that is ACA. Bernie's M4A gives him rope to negotiate down to something sensible. Starting with public option is a non starter because centrist Democrats ALWAYS sacrifice something to Republicans because they're craven pussies made of a party of failures. If you start in the middle you end up with a neutered healthcare plan that caters to healthcare industries.

[team filler]

the single biggest bigly problem is the dirty dems playing the part of "good cop" to the reps "bad cop". even worse is half the country and majority of the whites love the bad cop 

[BisMarckie]

1200 FACEBOOK FRIENDS

I would literally drop you into a pool filled with irukandji if I could.

1199 Facebook friends now I guess 

[james]

Voting early in a lot of states is a PITA. You have to go to the county office during business hours and do paperwork.

In California, they literally mail you a ballot three fucking weeks in advance. You then put it into any fucking mailbox - no postage needed.

And if you dont like that, you can vote in person at a voting center two weeks in advance.

Theres zero excuse.

[Himu]

Another consideration for M4A:

it has the healthcare lobbyists BUZZING.

This gets them to sound the alarm to do something about the current healthcare to stop from a public only option from forming. It not only gives you rope at the negotiation table, it also literally puts pressure on the industries that control our politicians.

[headwalk]

never heard of them.

i'm duckroll, everyone knows that.

[Himu]

Glenda, something to consider. Biden isn't as popular as Hillary. But he's also not as unpopular as Hillary either. The polling for him might be accurate and you may be right. This also explains why Bernie isn't doing well on the ballot in areas he did well in 2016. Maybe 2016 was due to the Hillary factor and people went for him because he wasn't her. Which gives credence to your sexism argument.

Sexism of course played a role, but honestly if you want to understand how Hillary became "teh most disliked evar!1!", this word cloud gets you most of the way there:

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I personally, as a gamer growing up, hated her for her war on vidya

Later, as an informed adult, I hated her for policies towards black people

After the 2016 election, I hated her for her arrogance and her complete inability to understand her own loss. She felt owed. "I'm with her." lol are you kidding me?

Now I wish she'd die

[Cauliflower Of Love]

What's Medicare for More the pete thing?

[Himu]

Sanders cannot build a big tent. He relies on an age demographic that doesn't vote. He won in a small amount of states. His prospects going forward are small. The rust belt, sun belt and maybe PNW are his only hopes.

The polls are also wrong. Not just on candidates but also issues. Progressive views are not popular.

You don't have to pitch a big tent to become president. You don't even have to have the most votes. See: Donald Trump

Ah, true. But you need a big tent to become the nominee.

[Himu]

Wow, that is even harsher than me wanting to drop headwalk into a pool filled with little jellyfish that cause 48 hours of suffering when they sting you.

Die, really?

Not literally die of course.

I just want her to go far, far away and take her stupid family with her.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Bernie should give poor old biden some of the

This campaign is different. We have received 8.7 million contributions from over 1.9 million donors.

donations.

[El Babua]

Joe spitting truth

https://twitter.com/BetaODork/status/1235321894540324865?

[Himu]

Also esch, it's not just Sanders. What about Warren? Isn't she known as a progressive? Hm?

In the Bible you know how it says you shall know them by their fruit? Where's the fruit for progressive views? Warren got toasted. Sanders can't build a big tent. Fruit means results. Are there any for progressive movements besides marijuana?

Progressive views are niche in America. Accept it. In 20 years you'll still be fighting for crumbs. Bet.

Fruit actually means genitals. It's a passage about all hogs are unique, like finger prints.

Matthew 7:17–18

    17 Even so, every good tree produces good fruit;
    but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit.
    18 A good tree can’t produce evil fruit, neither
    can a corrupt tree produce good fruit.

edit: Oh you were joking.

[OnlyRegret]

Wow, that is even harsher than me wanting to drop headwalk into a pool filled with little jellyfish that cause 48 hours of suffering when they sting you.

Die, really?

Definitely a trial at the Hague for war crimes should be in order. Unfortunately we'd have to invade the Netherlands... Unfortunately....

Thankfully a vote for Biden is a vote for invading the Netherlands, #Joe30330

[OnlyRegret]

https://twitter.com/BetaODork/status/1235186456391536640

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/BetaODork/status/1235186456391536640

I can't wait for these debates and to watch Democratic Party goers excitement turn into depression

Time to get out the popcorn and enjoy the fight

[nachobro]

for the record i would like hillary to literally die as soon as possible, and her pedo husband too.

[Himu]

for the record i would like hillary to literally die as soon as possible, and her pedo husband too.

I forgot about her warmongering so I change my mind. Yeah, I'd like her to die.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://twitter.com/VABVOX/status/1235271085911920642

Bernie Sanders is a lying motherfucker.

That lady was in their private conversation?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/bernie-sanders-president-obama-white-house-hillary-clinton/486416/

[OnlyRegret]

Joe, as long as your heart is in the right place

[Himu]

That Bernie ad is disgusting.

[nachobro]

its perfect

[Cauliflower Of Love]

That Bernie ad is disgusting.

Why, a good portion of that voice over is from Obama endorsing Sanders for the Senate.

[Himu]

That Bernie ad is disgusting.

Why, a good portion of that voice over is from Obama endorsing Sanders for the Senate.

Because it's using Obama - who hasn't endorsed anyone yet  for president - as a pawn. It's a tactic that turns me off. I get it, and I know why they're going that route. Still doesn't mean I have to like it. It's a way to manipulate voters into thinking it's an endorsement from Obama for president, just in the same way Bloomberg used Obama for his ads.

All this over an impotent war criminal deporter in chief.

[nachobro]

hillary said no one liked bernie. guess that's not the case. man has to fight back against the media and dem shills constantly lying about him somehow.

[OnlyRegret]

hillary said no one liked bernie. guess that's not the case. man has to fight back against the media and dem shills constantly lying about him somehow.

hilldawg, snakey snake

[Himu]

Also, can't help but notice but pretty much all of the Bernie people here (TIMU, me, Cats, Nacho) are literally basically the same age bracket which is 33-35.

The Democratic party has done so, SOOO well with older millennials.

[Himu]

hillary said no one liked bernie. guess that's not the case. man has to fight back against the media and dem shills constantly lying about him somehow.

Hm, true.

[Himu]

Cindi, literally every president is a war criminal.

I know.

Canada please take me!!!

[nachobro]

bernie said it himself today, him and obama have both worked together and disagreed at different times and he wants to counteract against people saying that he can't work with anyone and him and obama don't get along.

[james]

I think the Bernie/Obama ad is funny

[team filler]

These posts insinuating that Joe Biden is a pedophile like Amir0x, or like Dennis, are garbage.

you trying to convince me biden doesn't have many fetishes?