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[Cauliflower Of Love]

Why would she endorse Bernie? There's zero chance he's going to win. It would a terrible move by her

[bdoughty]

[Flannel Boy]

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Bernie will lose either way. Biden is gonna shred him in the south

*checks calendar*

[BisMarckie]

F

[james]

Florida is going to go 54-46 to Trump who gives a shit

Missed this post.
1. Do the delegates not count towards the primary?
2. No one has had more than 52.1 percent since 1988.
3. A Democrat won in 96, 08, and 12.
4. An eight-point victory isn't happening. The margins in favor of the Republican in 92, 00, 04, and 16 were 1.89%, 0.01%, 5.01%, and 1.19%.
5. Since 1992, the average margin has been +0.19 in favor of the Democrats. Ignoring the Perot election, +0.72 in favor of Republicans.
6. Biden is +1.7 is head-to-head match-ups.
7. IF you write off Florida, you have to write off Iowa, Arizona, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, etc.

1. They shouldnt
2. Past results do not predict future earnings
3. So in the past 25 years, Obama won Florida, vs about 57 other statewide races won by Rs
4. Florida imports old people by the bucketload
5. See 4
6. Lol you believe polls lol
7. Those states are not retirement tax havens

[james]

Good news everyone, we're safe from the FEMA death camps!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1235568602696355840

[thisismyusername]

The Bernie coalition needed a lot more shostas and a lot fewer nachobros and Timus.

[...]

The rest of you told me to go fuck myself.

Backing this vote up for a minute... </Juvenile>

Maybe because instead of being a "toxic BernieClintonBro" as you claim some of us to be during 2016, you should've understood why some of us didn't like Clinton? Maybe?

And then you did/did the same shit during the last four years. So, yeah... me telling you to fuck off and stay with the NeoLibs because you CLEARLY didn't want to listen is a valid response.

As Nacho said: What goes around, comes around.

PS: You can continue to go fuck yourself until I see otherwise. Just because you voted for Sanders (#Nice) once doesn't mean you've necessarily learned the lessons that you need to learn.

[benjipwns]

She would have gotten steamrolled. She didn't run because she was stuck around 10% in the late 2014/early 2015 polls.

That's like double what Sanders was polling at though.

[bdoughty]

Judy Garland lost that role, she half assed it kinda like Warren on the Texas State Bar.

[Occam]

So Bernie is going to get his one on one debate with Biden.

[Joe Molotov]

So Bernie is going to get his one on one debate with Biden.

Bernie will drop out too and Biden will get a one-on-one debate with Fats.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/dril/status/1235108800744411137

[Flannel Boy]

Florida is going to go 54-46 to Trump who gives a shit

Missed this post.
1. Do the delegates not count towards the primary?
2. No one has had more than 52.1 percent since 1988.
3. A Democrat won in 96, 08, and 12.
4. An eight-point victory isn't happening. The margins in favor of the Republican in 92, 00, 04, and 16 were 1.89%, 0.01%, 5.01%, and 1.19%.
5. Since 1992, the average margin has been +0.19 in favor of the Democrats. Ignoring the Perot election, +0.72 in favor of Republicans.
6. Biden is +1.7 is head-to-head match-ups.
7. IF you write off Florida, you have to write off Iowa, Arizona, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, etc.

1. They shouldnt
2. Past results do not predict future earnings
3. So in the past 25 years, Obama won Florida, vs about 57 other statewide races won by Rs
4. Florida imports old people by the bucketload
5. See 4
6. Lol you believe polls lol
7. Those states are not retirement tax havens

1. So you're saying the poll is in fact relevant to the primary.
2. State populations aren't that volatile.
3. Which is more relevant? And Rs win a lot of these statewide elections by small margins. Rick Scott won by 0.13%. DeSantis won by 0.40%.
4. Florida has done this for a long time. For the most part, the new old people replace the ones that moved in decades ago and died. Florida also imports lot of immigrants, and no they're not all Cubans.
5. See above.
6. Polls aren't that inaccurate. The polls had Trump by +0.4 in Florida and he won by 1.2.
7. Arizona is to some extent. Anyway, I think you are overstating how much this impacts things. See four above.

[bdoughty]

https://twitter.com/CarpeDonktum/status/1235600470296666112

[benjipwns]

CNN, Univision, and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus BOLD will host the eleventh debate in Phoenix, Arizona.

yep, time to cancel this

[bdoughty]

CNN

yep, time to cancel this

Fixed.

[VomKriege]

shots fired at Hillary:
https://twitter.com/heyjohnnathan/status/1235595184831893504

Endorsement to Hillary ended, now Elisabeth is my most qualified candidate ever.

[Flannel Boy]

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1235591346032959493

Once a frontrunner?


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/national/

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/emilycheath/status/1235600273223094277

[Himu]

Would have easily gone Warren over Hillary in '16. She should have run then.

Her political instincts are shit

[BisMarckie]

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The on one debates with Biden and.Sanders will be epic.

BERNARD will finally have to answer whether he is part of the fourth or fifth international, while Biden gets tossed some softball questions and still manages to ramble incoherently

[benjipwns]

Once a frontrunner?

Go to October 8, 2019: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Do NOT go one day before or one day after.

[Flannel Boy]

Once a frontrunner?

Go to October 8, 2019: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Do NOT go one day before or one day after.

Elizabeth Warren, Once a Front-Runner for a Single Day, Drops Out.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/M2Madness/status/1235254064377737216

 

[kingv]

shots fired at Hillary:
https://twitter.com/heyjohnnathan/status/1235595184831893504

Endorsement to Hillary ended, now Elisabeth is my most qualified candidate ever.

Hillary actually has a claim to being the most qualified candidate ever. I don’t think that makes her the best candidate by any means, but saying she had had a bunch of jobs and experience that were relevant is pretty indisputable.

But many many candidates have been as qualified as Warren.

[kingv]

Would have easily gone Warren over Hillary in '16. She should have run then.

Her political instincts are shit

Counterpoint: she would not have had Hilldawg’s campaign team in 2016.

[Flannel Boy]

shots fired at Hillary:
https://twitter.com/heyjohnnathan/status/1235595184831893504

Endorsement to Hillary ended, now Elisabeth is my most qualified candidate ever.

Hillary actually has a claim to being the most qualified candidate ever. I don’t think that makes her the best candidate by any means, but saying she had had a bunch of jobs and experience that were relevant is pretty indisputable.

But many many candidates have been as qualified as Warren.

Jefferson? Adams?

[Himu]

Man, Bernie campaign going all this establishment Dems this, war on establishment Dems that ain't a good look nor a good way to build a coalition. I love Bernie but the campaign has many flaws. They need to stop with this type of messaging. That doesn't sell with democrats because democrats really like to brow beat and remind you how much moral and good they are compared to republicans so you can't try to cater to their vote by shitting on their party.

[benjipwns]

Ms. Warren has told associates that she does not plan to offer an endorsement when she drops out later on Thursday, according to a person close to her.

Stubborn Bernard The Rich White Man probably not going to accept he needs to drop out today as well and once again will undermine the party despite not being part of it. Especially by throwing huge amounts of his millions of dollars around all for his perverse desires to terrorize minorities rather than trying to help the country by backing President-elect Biden.

He claims to be a socialist but where's the Democratic Centralism? That's the kind of contradiction that makes your average joe voter say "wait a minute" and realize this multi-millionaire is selling them snake oil with his "proletariat revolution" talk.

[Mandark]

really like to brow beat and remind you how much moral and good they are

[nachobro]

You repeatedly pretending not to understand what is being said to you is the only reason Sanders' impending loss will be satisfying.

and your constant bile is the reason you'll never be happy in life

[Himu]

Exactly. As a smart man once said, they need more shostas.

Yeah man, you gotta stroke the democrats cock and remind them how moral they are tbh. Bernie is missing that. He need to start kissing democratic ass. One way he can start is by registering as a D. I get it breh, I don't wanna do that shit either bring lumped up with a bunch of war mongering soccer mom mother fucker types that hate trump but somehow love mini mike but you gotta do what you gotta do my man, and you need to make lemonade out of these lemons

[VomKriege]

The fake Joe Biden gimmick accounts are going hog wild damn !

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1235231527191093250

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Man, Bernie campaign going all this establishment Dems this, war on establishment Dems that ain't a good look nor a good way to build a coalition. I love Bernie but the campaign has many flaws. They need to stop with this type of messaging. That doesn't sell with democrats because democrats really like to brow beat and remind you how much moral and good they are compared to republicans so you can't try to cater to their vote by shitting on their party.

This is the last stand.

Freedom or death!

[Himu]

Bernie you need to Job.

Get on your knees and slurp that Dick, man. Drop the establishment streak my dude. Not a good look even if it's true.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

CNN, Univision, and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus BOLD will host the eleventh debate in Phoenix, Arizona.

yep, time to cancel this

Hola tío bernie

THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE

Biden sulks out.

[Himu]

Latinos LOVE Bernie. He could do very well in the sun belt but we will see.

[Mr. Gundam]

Real heartfelt feelings coming up. You might disagree with me and that's fine. I won't take it personal.

You know, a lot of people in this country have small amounts of Native heritage in their family trees, and most people don't know much about it. That sounds a lot like Warren's situation where her family told her about it but didn't know the whole story. That could be a good opportunity for us a country to talk about why so many people have this, and what were the circumstances that lead to it and then have a good talk about how Natives are still maligned and discriminated against and still viewed as a group that we can still make fun of without consequence (ie. the whole Pocahantas situation). Shit, Trump literally made fun of natives on national TV while those two native Veterans stood behind him at a press conference and just took it. But nope, instead lets just shit on Warren and keep doubling down on making Pocahantas an acceptable thing to say.

For the record, I'm a registered member of the Ottawa Tribe of Oklahoma. My grandfather was born and raised on the reservation before moving to Seattle when he was 12 with his mother and older brother. At the same time, I identify as white and was raised with all the privilege that comes with that. The town I grew up in has a large native reservation up on the hill and I ended up working at the school on the reservation for a long time. My experience was not the same as theirs, and I don't try to claim as such, and I got really pissed when people who knew I'm native tried to portray me as "the white savior." However, the time I spent there seeing the amount of shit they got from the rest of the community and how it was still accepted made me sick. We've done a good job in our society at making it unacceptable to make fun of the disabled and other minority groups, but Natives are still fair game. I really wish we could have a real conversation about all of this and I was hoping Warren's situation might lead to it, but like I said above, that wasn't where it went. It just lead to more memes.

[Himu]

I think Bernie had a better entryist strategy than most other socialists ever had based on years of perfecting his messaging and trying different things. You fail twice as some wackjob socialist party candidate and then you realize people respond positively to "independent" guy who "isn't from either party". The formula he came up with has worked for him for a long time, and it includes attacking the establishment and donning an outsider cape. You shouldn't change identity and strategy unless something goes seriously wrong - like what happened this week.

That said... its limitations should have been clear since 2016 (like a cult of personality and a party anti-immune response). Which is why I had a preference for Elizabeth Ann Warren's radical insider strategy

I think it works well on the state level but is a limited strategy at a national level because democrats LOVE their party and what it represents (nothing). I think Bernie was doing real good before but then the media attacks started and I get email and text after text talking about WE ARE BEING ATTACKED BY THE ESTABLISHMENT which gives credence to the idea that the campaign is not big tent and for radicals rather than every day Americans. He's not going to win a national election with that strategy. Especially after 2016. He needs to completely change strategies. He can no longer blame the establishment for his failures. He needs to come up with something to build his base. That includes older people and older people love being reminded how moral the Democratic party is. So the anti-establishment streak won't work.

They need to dilute it entirely.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

People laughing at Bernie on msnbc for using his 2006 endorsement from Obama.

capped off with "this is something trump would do".

[Mr. Gundam]

Reservations are some of the poorest and most precarious communities in the country and I wish they got a lot more attention.

It's a really interesting dichotomy as many of the ones here in the PNW run tribal casinos and the profits are divided up amongst everyone, but there's not much emphasis on financial responsibility and good planning. I worked with a Native woman who was born on the reseveration and she was saying that if you move away for school or a job opportunity you're often shunned by everyone else. She and her husband both got graduate degrees and then made a point of moving back to help out. There's a lot of resistance at "improving things" as it's viewed as just more fuckery from white people, even when it's coming from people within their own community.

Another depressing thing I saw from my time working with the kids was the racism and animosity between African Americans and Natives, and the poor kids who had one parent from each group. They'd openly hate black people and claim to be full blood Natives which definitely lead to some serious feelings of self-hatred, which wasn't helping with all the other disadvantages they had in their lives.

[Himu]

Real heartfelt feelings coming up. You might disagree with me and that's fine. I won't take it personal.

You know, a lot of people in this country have small amounts of Native heritage in their family trees, and most people don't know much about it. That sounds a lot like Warren's situation where her family told her about it but didn't know the whole story. That could be a good opportunity for us a country to talk about why so many people have this, and what were the circumstances that lead to it and then have a good talk about how Natives are still maligned and discriminated against and still viewed as a group that we can still make fun of without consequence (ie. the whole Pocahantas situation). Shit, Trump literally made fun of natives on national TV while those two native Veterans stood behind him at a press conference and just took it. But nope, instead lets just shit on Warren and keep doubling down on making Pocahantas an acceptable thing to say.

For the record, I'm a registered member of the Ottawa Tribe of Oklahoma. My grandfather was born and raised on the reservation before moving to Seattle when he was 12 with his mother and older brother. At the same time, I identify as white and was raised with all the privilege that comes with that. The town I grew up in has a large native reservation up on the hill and I ended up working at the school on the reservation for a long time. My experience was not the same as theirs, and I don't try to claim as such, and I got really pissed when people who knew I'm native tried to portray me as "the white savior." However, the time I spent there seeing the amount of shit they got from the rest of the community and how it was still accepted made me sick. We've done a good job in our society at making it unacceptable to make fun of the disabled and other minority groups, but Natives are still fair game. I really wish we could have a real conversation about all of this and I was hoping Warren's situation might lead to it, but like I said above, that wasn't where it went. It just lead to more memes.

I have used Pocahontas and I'm sorry if I caused offense. It wasn't my goal to offend anyone of native blood. It wasn't a joke at the expense of natives for me. I just use it to mock Warren. I'm sorry for my insensitivity and will stop using it.

[Mr. Gundam]

I ain't mad at ya, Cindi. Not one bit. I just think we need to talk about why Pocahontas is acceptable. Our society clearly thinks it's ok but why is that?

[nachobro]

People laughing at Bernie on msnbc for using his 2006 endorsement from Obama.

capped off with "this is something trump would do".

same people who analyze everything trump does for evidence of dementia but refuse to acknowledge biden's clearly deteriorating mental state

[Himu]

I ain't mad at ya, Cindi. Not one bit. I just think we need to talk about why Pocahontas is acceptable. Our society clearly thinks it's ok but why is that?

I don't know. I just figured it was done in jest rather than malice. Not making natives a joke so much as Warren.

[BisMarckie]

Not gonna lie if she drops out sans endorsement of either candidate I'll lose a lot of respect for her.

Yeah? Maybe Bernie shouldn't have literally said "I dunno if a bitch can be president... Cuz they get their time of the month and will nuke a country or some shit... Women be shoppin". in what was both a racist and sexist comment at Applebee's.

Doesn’t even have the decency to go to Olive Garden 

[Himu]

Confession: I have never been to Applebee's

[nachobro]

https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1235082903744163841

a worthwhile thread for glenlike morons

[Mandark]

Anecdotally I've met a bunch of white people who will bring up a Native grandparent or great-grandparent. I think they emphasize it because it gives them a tinge of spice or exoticism to the family tree without actually changing how people treat them (a very white person thing to do!). That was the sense I got from Warren.

Agree with Gundam that it could have been nice to use this to spotlight the actual issues, but primary elections just bring out the dumbest shit, especially online. The number of times I saw self-described leftists use "Pocahontas" or post some photoshop of Warren in 1940's MGM Indian clothing was pretty surprising to me.

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1235594180350468097

[Mr. Gundam]

I ain't mad at ya, Cindi. Not one bit. I just think we need to talk about why Pocahontas is acceptable. Our society clearly thinks it's ok but why is that?

I don't know. I just figured it was done in jest rather than malice. Not making natives a joke so much as Warren.

I feel like when that happened nationally, it just ended up showing how it's ok to make fun of them. At least with Trump and his supporters.

Warren's situation should have resulted in an honest dialogue about the current situation that Natives find themelves in because cmon, everyone knows someone who's said "I've got Cherokee blood, I'm 1/128th!" Why did that happen and why did it lead to reservations being setup with groups that have no ties to the area? The Ottawa are originally from the Great Lakes, but the tribe is now in Miami, OK.

[Himu]

My dad my whole life has said he has Cherokee blood. Dna test confirmed zero native blood.

It's not just white people that say the "I'm native" thing.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

What do you all think of a simultaneous endorsement/VP pick from sanders/warren?

Would Biden explode in place?

[Himu]

Man, Bernie campaign going all this establishment Dems this, war on establishment Dems that ain't a good look nor a good way to build a coalition. I love Bernie but the campaign has many flaws. They need to stop with this type of messaging. That doesn't sell with democrats because democrats really like to brow beat and remind you how much moral and good they are compared to republicans so you can't try to cater to their vote by shitting on their party.

It's completely wrong-headed and futile, and I've been saying this for years.

The Sanders Theory of Electoral Politics is that you'll turn out this huge wave of people who don't usually vote and win races across the country. Instead those people didn't materialize, and he lost most of the Super Tuesday states.

The Sanders Theory of Governance is that this huge wave of previously disaffected supporters are going to put so much pressure on House Reps and Senators that they'll be able to pass stuff like Medicare for All. But the people that this strategy depends on couldn't even be bothered to vote on Super Tuesday, so it's likely bullshit as well. Unless he starts turning out massive waves in the upcoming states, it'll be clear that this strategy was always bullshit.

The whole idea has seemed to be that you'll basically morph the Democratic Party into a third party by combining about 40% of it with a huge number of independents and disaffected non-voters who outnumber the other 60% of the Democratic Party, and then that 60% comes on board anyway because they have to, and you have this mega party that ushers in a societal transformation.

Currently, do you see any evidence that this is possible?

In terms of political strategy it's really a non starter. How do you get those people to vote for you if you shit on their party? I think it's too late now and the damage is done.

After 2016 if Bernie were serious, he should have registered D, and cut the establishment talk while just talking his policies and s fight against the billionaire class and why that matters. Because a lot of popular figures in the party like clinton and Obama are a part of the party establishment. It's just bad campaign strategy. He was doing well but the last few weeks they've gone back to 2016 tactics.

[Mandark]

I just think straddling the party split is PEAK careerist bullshit that even pete buttigieg didn't bother with

Really? I'd hope that anyone running for president as a Dem would be trying to rally the various factions together.

On that note, Biden's seeming lack of interest in the youth vote is the thing currently giving me the most anxiety.

[Himu]

What do you all think of a simultaneous endorsement/VP pick from sanders/warren?

Would Biden explode in place?

I'd like it to happen but Warren's goals are hard to guage.

[Himu]

Biden was right about the youth. They ain't shit

[nachobro]

warren not endorsing anyone

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Clearly doesn't want to endore Biden under pressure of threat.