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« Reply #61560 on: August 08, 2020, 07:42:48 PM »
outflanked from the left again  :trumps
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« Reply #61561 on: August 08, 2020, 08:18:15 PM »
Would a federal national ID actually do anything for presidential elections since they are ran by states, and states don't have to acknowledge the IDs if they don't want to (see sanctuary cities)?

Well obviously it was a thought experiment from a foreign point of view that, for the sake of the argument, supposes the USA is not a basket case.

But to repeat myself, if would probably be simpler and more impactful to make the customary Presidential election Tuesday an holiday.

Is a passport good enough for voter registration? or do you have to go through the get-id-to-get-id thing to get a state ID

In France ?

Passports are of equal "value" in justifying your identity as the National ID Card. Those are the two documents accepted as such. I think in some lower stakes situations (not voting though) you may use a driver's licence (Managed by the "Secure ID titles agency") or your Healthcare card (mandatory, universal, and free) since those now have an ID photo (that must follow official guidelines).

Voter registration is mandatory. You're automatically added if you turn 18 or after being naturalized.

If you change residence you need to ask to the town hall to re-assign you at your new address.
To justify registration at your new address you can use : An ID card or a passport OR a tax return, pay slip, ownership title OR a recent utility bill.

Town halls manage the voter rolls but the record is consolidated at the national level (Apparently by the INSEE, the national agency for statistics. In charge of the census too if I'm not mistaken).

When voting, you must present either an ID card or a passport alongside an electoral card (free and automatically mailed) which is stamped after casting the ballot. I'm not even sure the electoral card is mandatory, I was able to do without last time.

All paper ballots. Ballots are pre-printed for all options and at disposal at the station. No write-ins allowed (any added mark on a pre-printed ballot is nullified and discarded).

No, not france I meant in good ol glory bursting in the sky.

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« Reply #61562 on: August 08, 2020, 08:19:29 PM »
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« Reply #61563 on: August 08, 2020, 08:28:47 PM »
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/08/900516854/in-executive-actions-trump-extends-unemployment-benefits
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"The Treasury Secretary is authorized to delay the deadline for any action required under tax law up to one year," said Rudalevige, in case of a federally declared disaster, and all states are currently operating under one due to the pandemic. "So payroll tax payments could under this provision be delayed. But, not forgiven — those taxes are still owed."
So the tax thing they can just do, at least delay until after the election because of the Pandemic.

The part of the Code he is referring to applies to the affected taxpayer and the obligations they are responsible for. In the case of payroll tax collection and transmission the taxpayer is the employer and not the employee. So no, they can't just do it.

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« Reply #61564 on: August 08, 2020, 09:24:05 PM »
Who's the guy who keeps on telling Trump that a payroll tax cut will do anything?


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« Reply #61565 on: August 08, 2020, 09:27:34 PM »
Who's the guy who keeps on telling Trump that a payroll tax cut will do anything?



Every GOP congressperson.


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« Reply #61567 on: August 08, 2020, 09:56:40 PM »
I'm sorry, yo solo hablo espanol.

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« Reply #61568 on: August 08, 2020, 10:01:13 PM »
The voter fraud worries are just more cult of the voting process. The costs of altering an election through mass fake voting compared to simply altering the results* are completely out of whack and yet we're obsessed with the voting ritual itself like the rest of the system doesn't exist. This leads to absurd laws like it being illegal to take and share a picture of your ballot for whatever insane reason.

About the only valid restriction on voting is the residency requirement because we have representative government by geographical location. And that can simply be sworn to or via the voter card I suppose if we really need a document of some kind.

*For example, as Papa Lukashenko had to resort to when the people voted for him simply too much so he ordered it only be reported as 86%.

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« Reply #61569 on: August 08, 2020, 10:47:17 PM »
semis cross posting, but I aint copying shit.

navarro on the biden campaign is such a stupid fucking move.

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« Reply #61570 on: August 08, 2020, 10:52:16 PM »
The voter fraud worries are just more cult of the voting process. The costs of altering an election through mass fake voting compared to simply altering the results* are completely out of whack and yet we're obsessed with the voting ritual itself like the rest of the system doesn't exist.

okay but "voter fraud" is overwhelmingly invoked as a danger by one party and its media ecosystem for p obvious reasons

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« Reply #61572 on: August 09, 2020, 01:25:24 AM »


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« Reply #61574 on: August 09, 2020, 06:14:37 AM »
Can someone just tell Joe to stop putting his hands on people? Handshakes = good. Everything else = leave it be. Maybe in some other countries/cultures contact and personal space is perceived differently (which is fine), but this keeps making you look not so great within social norms of the US of A.

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« Reply #61575 on: August 09, 2020, 06:34:20 AM »
Remember that time Al Franken was killed in that photo op session?

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« Reply #61576 on: August 09, 2020, 06:35:19 AM »
The voter fraud worries are just more cult of the voting process. The costs of altering an election through mass fake voting compared to simply altering the results* are completely out of whack and yet we're obsessed with the voting ritual itself like the rest of the system doesn't exist. This leads to absurd laws like it being illegal to take and share a picture of your ballot for whatever insane reason.

About the only valid restriction on voting is the residency requirement because we have representative government by geographical location. And that can simply be sworn to or via the voter card I suppose if we really need a document of some kind.

*For example, as Papa Lukashenko had to resort to when the people voted for him simply too much so he ordered it only be reported as 86%.

Good old ballot stuffing or bags of votes being conveniently lost is still a thing though. There's a lot of reasons why you'd still want to use it in conjunction with just putting the thumb on the reporting scale.
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I think it's a bit much to label it purely fetishistic cultish.
Definitely overblown in the current US discourse though.
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« Reply #61577 on: August 09, 2020, 06:36:08 AM »
Can someone just tell Joe to stop putting his hands on people? Handshakes = good. Everything else = leave it be. Maybe in some other countries/cultures contact and personal space is perceived differently (which is fine), but this keeps making you look not so great within social norms of the US of A.
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« Reply #61578 on: August 09, 2020, 06:39:05 AM »
Remember that time Al Franken was killed in that photo op session?

RIP Al Franken and the cast of Friends  :(
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« Reply #61579 on: August 09, 2020, 08:43:28 AM »
Anyone other than Rice would be political theatre, and as much as biden is hands on in that arena, his handlers aren't stupid.

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« Reply #61580 on: August 09, 2020, 12:04:47 PM »
I thought Trump was resentful that Obama got a payroll tax cut in the stimulus...

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« Reply #61581 on: August 09, 2020, 12:07:24 PM »
Do you think Trump even knows that cutting the payroll tax is effectively trying to cut Medicaid and SSN, or was he just convinced it'd a great idea by scumbags that actually know what it will do

This guy



Doesn't even know what a payroll tax is.

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« Reply #61582 on: August 09, 2020, 01:27:52 PM »
Good old ballot stuffing or bags of votes being conveniently lost is still a thing though. There's a lot of reasons why you'd still want to use it in conjunction with just putting the thumb on the reporting scale.
That's just altering the results and providing paperwork to justify it. It's not trying to do anything through the legitimate voting process.

The Republican/Trumpist/etc. fear is that Democrats will swarm the ballot box with millions of Mexicans and other illegal immigrants (predominantly Islamic) to vote Marxist, well, not anymore, now it's just that they'll mail in billions more ballots than there are registered voters. It always assumes someone will try to cheat the fairly airtight process, not do anything after the fact to alter the results which are somehow inherently sacrosanct. Someone voting without an ID or whatever "loophole" would lead to the polls being rushed by trillions of these voters is only a problem if they're doing it in another persons name denying that person a chance to cast their ballot. If they're not and merely adding a few votes to the total who gives a fuck. Especially if they're a resident.

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« Reply #61583 on: August 09, 2020, 01:28:38 PM »
Do you think Trump even knows that cutting the payroll tax is effectively trying to cut Medicaid and SSN, or was he just convinced it'd a great idea by scumbags that actually know what it will do

I think that's a fringe benefit to him. Whatever the primary motivation is I don't know, though.

There was a Wall Street Journal editorial recently touting it, but that was after he was pushing for it iirc, and I very much doubt he reads the Wall Street Journal, even its benighted editorial page.

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« Reply #61584 on: August 09, 2020, 02:03:08 PM »
How else are you gonna find out about the next iphone advances?

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« Reply #61586 on: August 09, 2020, 03:00:44 PM »
Yes he would, and so would his 1200 friends.

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« Reply #61587 on: August 09, 2020, 04:11:40 PM »
:lol the south
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« Reply #61588 on: August 09, 2020, 04:29:07 PM »
Florida's looking directly at what's happening in Georgia and Mississippi's schools and saying I want that and more.

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« Reply #61589 on: August 09, 2020, 04:46:09 PM »
:lol the south
Florida's is normally an exception from the South, as such our leader is more of a sociopath than an ignorant BelieverR.

Florida is south as far as I'm concerned. I don't really care what people say. That place is southern as fuck. If it doesn't count for the south, it should. It's cut from the same cloth.
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« Reply #61590 on: August 09, 2020, 05:44:15 PM »
:lol

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« Reply #61591 on: August 09, 2020, 05:48:53 PM »
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"I started laughing," she said. "He wasn't laughing, so he was totally serious."

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« Reply #61592 on: August 09, 2020, 06:10:40 PM »
You know how in Pilotwings 64 you can shoot missiles into Mt Rushmore?

I like that
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« Reply #61593 on: August 09, 2020, 06:23:43 PM »
that skydiving in pilotwings was so fucking annoying

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« Reply #61594 on: August 09, 2020, 07:50:28 PM »
:lol the south
Florida's is normally an exception from the South, as such our leader is more of a sociopath than an ignorant BelieverR.

Florida is south as far as I'm concerned. I don't really care what people say. That place is southern as fuck. If it doesn't count for the south, it should. It's cut from the same cloth.

Florida is the place where the further north you are, the more "south" it feels....
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« Reply #61595 on: August 09, 2020, 07:54:11 PM »
florida and texas are both southern but not the south  :ufup
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« Reply #61596 on: August 09, 2020, 07:59:15 PM »
neither state is poor enough to be part of the true south  :engel
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« Reply #61597 on: August 09, 2020, 08:12:41 PM »
Florida is the place where the further north you are, the more "south" it feels....

Sadly true. North Florida is truly a shithole. Not that there aren't big stretches of redneck people in the central part of the state. Florida is a weird mix of georgia and new york having a baby. Although in recent years the "southern" trumpist parts of the state has been in slow accession. I use to take a small bit of pride that Florida was "better" than the rest of the South when I was younger but that isn't really the case anymore.

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« Reply #61598 on: August 09, 2020, 08:28:14 PM »
florida and texas are both southern but not the south  :ufup

Drive a few miles outside of any Texas city and you'll see this isn't accurate.
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« Reply #61599 on: August 09, 2020, 08:42:27 PM »
florida and texas are both southern but not the south  :ufup

Drive a few miles outside of any Texas city and you'll see this isn't accurate.
texas is western steers n queers  :lol
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Re: US Politics Thread |OT| RIP Cain Train #pizzagate
« Reply #61601 on: August 09, 2020, 08:59:47 PM »
Good time to listen to the OLC episode of the ALAB Podcast.

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« Reply #61602 on: August 09, 2020, 09:38:55 PM »
Assigned Libertarian At Birth

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« Reply #61603 on: August 09, 2020, 09:44:14 PM »
It's actually All Lawyers Are Bastards.

The OLC episode basically explains that the Office of Legal Counsel has no authority to set legal precedent in the same way as judges, but the executive branch likes to act like they do, because the people hired for the OLC have strong incentives to always find legal justification for the current administration.


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« Reply #61605 on: August 09, 2020, 10:05:00 PM »
lol how tf that happen

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« Reply #61606 on: August 09, 2020, 10:09:25 PM »
Apparently the college football season is about to be canceled.

Good luck with those elections Republicans. The people have lost their circus and the bread is running low
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« Reply #61608 on: August 09, 2020, 10:43:55 PM »
imagine if trump is the reason they demolish mount rushmore.

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« Reply #61609 on: August 09, 2020, 10:51:07 PM »
If Trump gets on the squatter billboard maybe people will come around to returning it to the Sioux. :thinking

After all, the rule of law is very important!

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« Reply #61610 on: August 09, 2020, 11:41:04 PM »
lol how tf that happen

She endorsed Tlaib too. Also apparently cut a five figure check to Omar's campaign.

The leader of the House Dems endorsing a couple incumbent members of her caucus is one of the less surprising developments in American politics recently IMO.

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« Reply #61611 on: August 09, 2020, 11:57:17 PM »
They showed her all the hipster ice cream places and she loves them now

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« Reply #61612 on: August 10, 2020, 12:09:07 AM »
Brokering an intraparty truce at Ice Cream Jubilee by the Trader Joe's on 14th.  :lawd


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« Reply #61613 on: August 10, 2020, 01:46:07 AM »
It's actually All Lawyers Are Bastards.

The OLC episode basically explains that the Office of Legal Counsel has no authority to set legal precedent in the same way as judges, but the executive branch likes to act like they do, because the people hired for the OLC have strong incentives to always find legal justification for the current administration.

That’s one of my favorite podcasts. Funny and topical.

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« Reply #61614 on: August 10, 2020, 01:46:56 AM »
Apparently the college football season is about to be canceled.

Good luck with those elections Republicans. The people have lost their circus and the bread is running low

I live in a big college football red state. And I can’t wait to read the comment sections.

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« Reply #61615 on: August 10, 2020, 06:25:37 AM »
https://www.newsweek.com/chicago-looting-riots-officer-shooting-police-1523909
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There is a heavy police presence on the streets following reports of people breaking into businesses and setting vehicles on fire.


https://www.fox5ny.com/news/shipments-of-nearly-20000-fake-drivers-licenses-seized-at-chicago-airport

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In fact, federal customs officers have seized 1,513 shipments from overseas containing fraudulent documents—19,888 counterfeit U.S. driver's licenses—just at Chicago O'Hare International Airport this year through the end of June.

Most of the shipments came from Hong Kong and mainland China, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Other shipments came from South Korea and the U.K.



So let me get this straight. We are to believe that people are shipping in fake licenses that are usually made in person and on the spot?

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« Reply #61616 on: August 10, 2020, 06:35:01 AM »
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/unrest-erupts-after-man-shot-by-police-in-chicagos-englewood-neighborhood/2319518/
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At a news conference Sunday night, Talley encouraged people to "take a step back" and listen to officers, adding that officers will listen to the community to.

"We want to hear what they have to say..." she said. "Right now, in this climate, everyone is feeling a certain way about the police, and it's really unfair to us. It really is."

It's really unfair guys.

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« Reply #61617 on: August 10, 2020, 06:54:32 AM »


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« Reply #61618 on: August 10, 2020, 07:20:19 AM »
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/09/opinions/biden-biking-trump-debate-attack-line-obeidallah/index.html
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But here's an idea that might convince even higher numbers. Instead of a fourth debate that Trump's team wants, why not hold a good old-fashioned bicycle race between the two?!
Let's settle the Presidential election with a bike race :rejoice

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