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« Reply #9060 on: September 19, 2017, 09:54:45 PM »
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« Reply #9061 on: September 19, 2017, 10:01:03 PM »
I have no idea what Mandark's cowardly, vile and worthless post is supposed to mean with the context of what he quoted so I take my fill of all your filth and exit.

If we can't compare social service and military budgets because of the misleading implication of a zero-sum game between the two, then we can't respond to proposed limits on CO2 emissions with "well we should pay more attention to AIDS in Africa instead."

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« Reply #9062 on: September 19, 2017, 10:11:59 PM »
keep dishing out the L's benji
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« Reply #9063 on: September 20, 2017, 09:29:27 AM »
The deflection is so desperate, it's borderline lunacy.
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« Reply #9064 on: September 20, 2017, 09:36:45 AM »
How is no one talking about this new bid to repeal the ACA?

This shit is serious and fucking infuriating
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« Reply #9065 on: September 20, 2017, 01:29:34 PM »
How is no one talking about this new bid to repeal the ACA?

This shit is serious and fucking infuriating

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Jeff Stein
But why does this bill make things better for Americans? How does it help?

Pat Roberts
Pardon me?

Jeff Stein
Why does this make things better? What is this doing?

Pat Roberts
Look, we’re in the back seat of a convertible being driven by Thelma and Louise, and we’re headed toward the canyon. That’s a movie that you’ve probably never seen —

Jeff Stein
I do know Thelma & Louise, sir.

Pat Roberts
So we have to get out of the car, and you have to have a car to get into, and this is the only car there is.
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« Reply #9066 on: September 20, 2017, 01:31:48 PM »
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Jeff Stein
But why does this bill make things better for Americans? How does it help?

Pat Roberts
Pardon me?

Jeff Stein
Why does this make things better? What is this doing?

Pat Roberts
Look, we’re in the back seat of a convertible being driven by Thelma and Louise, and we’re headed toward the canyon. That’s a movie that you’ve probably never seen —

Jeff Stein
I do know Thelma & Louise, sir.

Pat Roberts
So we have to get out of the car, and you have to have a car to get into, and this is the only car there is.

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« Reply #9067 on: September 20, 2017, 01:32:06 PM »
Probably because it's been ongoing for 6 years now?

There must have been 50+ proposals/votes to scrap (or alter) it by now.


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« Reply #9068 on: September 20, 2017, 01:44:57 PM »
Really hate this narrative that no one was paying attention, liberals/activists/democrats dropped the ball, etc. The reality of the matter is that the senate has been about 1 vote away for quite some time. This has nothing to do with the opposition. Nor do I think it makes sense to argue that everyone should have been on high alert 24/7 after McConnell, Trump, the WH, etc moved on to tax reform. I was seeing multiple people talk about this amendment on twitter for weeks, this is not a surprise or something new.

This is what happens when people don't vote, or stay home during midterms, etc. You've got a republican president, house, and senate. If Obamacare is repealed and you want to blame people, blame republicans. And perhaps blame those who simply didn't give a fuck until the reality of republican governance became reality. This isn't a game. I know a lot of people on Obamacare who didn't vote last year, either because they thought Hillary would win or didn't care for her. She lost the state by <10k votes.

Maybe now people will take things seriously. But...they won't. Because even after W Bush people still allowed this party to waltz back into power. People don't give a shit, bro.
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« Reply #9069 on: September 20, 2017, 02:16:13 PM »
Can't trust people

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« Reply #9070 on: September 20, 2017, 02:40:14 PM »
Really hate this narrative that no one was paying attention, liberals/activists/democrats dropped the ball, etc. The reality of the matter is that the senate has been about 1 vote away for quite some time. This has nothing to do with the opposition. Nor do I think it makes sense to argue that everyone should have been on high alert 24/7 after McConnell, Trump, the WH, etc moved on to tax reform. I was seeing multiple people talk about this amendment on twitter for weeks, this is not a surprise or something new.

This is what happens when people don't vote, or stay home during midterms, etc. You've got a republican president, house, and senate. If Obamacare is repealed and you want to blame people, blame republicans. And perhaps blame those who simply didn't give a fuck until the reality of republican governance became reality. This isn't a game. I know a lot of people on Obamacare who didn't vote last year, either because they thought Hillary would win or didn't care for her. She lost the state by <10k votes.

Maybe now people will take things seriously. But...they won't. Because even after W Bush people still allowed this party to waltz back into power. People don't give a shit, bro.
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« Reply #9071 on: September 20, 2017, 04:17:10 PM »
What still drives me nuts is that if that Ebola scare in 2014 had happened like 4 months earlier or later, or hadn't happened at all, there would be 50 or 51 Dem senators right now, and we wouldn't be in this mess.

I wonder how CO feels about Gardner being all over this bill. His victory was one of the biggest WTF moments of 2014, and CO is going to lose a ton of money under Graham-Cassidy. It's a state that went Obama - Obama - Clinton, btw.

wait, wat

am I missing something here
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« Reply #9072 on: September 20, 2017, 04:54:16 PM »
https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/910251338805760000

No joke, this is what pure evil looks like.

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« Reply #9073 on: September 20, 2017, 05:02:35 PM »
What still drives me nuts is that if that Ebola scare in 2014 had happened like 4 months earlier or later, or hadn't happened at all, there would be 50 or 51 Dem senators right now, and we wouldn't be in this mess.

I wonder how CO feels about Gardner being all over this bill. His victory was one of the biggest WTF moments of 2014, and CO is going to lose a ton of money under Graham-Cassidy. It's a state that went Obama - Obama - Clinton, btw.

Cassidy's own bill, is raw-fucking his own state!!

That is what is so fucking crazy about this to me. Cassidy's immersion into the GOP healthcare snake-oil business is just baffling(though he is slime, so I'm a little hyperbolic here). Much more so then Graham.

The guy that 6 months ago cried about the GOP needing to be more compassionate for poor and low income people with serious healthcare needs. Who started the senate process as a slight undecided. Acknowledging the need to have some type of mandate for the free-rider problem and market stability(his was an automatic enrollment idea with first dollar coverage, that was at least interesting to delve into) to encourage more healthy people to sign up and spread the risk in the pools. Now the fucker has swallowed the red pill and is trying to OD with them with his smarmy bullshit answers on TV today. Knowing full well that he has the cover of lying because the CBO won't be able to score his bill in time.

Which the etoilet in me, with a CBO director appointed by Republicans, recommended by Tom Price, might just be doing this whole thing with insider knowledge about the CBO unable to put out certain things in time. Building a passage strategy around avoiding the thing that did the greatest damage the last go round: CBO coverage numbers.
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« Reply #9075 on: September 21, 2017, 02:06:10 AM »
If we can't compare social service and military budgets because of the misleading implication of a zero-sum game between the two, then we can't respond to proposed limits on CO2 emissions with "well we should pay more attention to AIDS in Africa instead."
Oh, sorry, I can see where things got off track especially as I roped in the France comparisons, I wasn't actually trying to argue for/against any kind of reallocation but meant my reply to Raist in the context of explaining how the split is setup and funding is decided in the United States precludes a simple switch through the standard budgetary process and how the discretionary budget definitely misleads as to funding allocation regarding almost anything. Even shifting all federal military funding to federal line items for education, the states and especially local governments would still dominate it both in budgetary amounts but also in its usage determination.

Comparison is certainly fine, as I did with the not entirely serious poking at the French allocation of funding being vastly inferior per student. But I think trying to "balance" it within the framework of the discretionary budget which is a fraction of a fraction of the total federal budget (let alone the total budget where education spending is done) seems to be pursuing a more evenly divided pie chart more than anything regarding actual budgetary priorities. (For example, a "semi-realistic" Presidential budget I would submit would drastically cut the military budget but I'm not sure it still wouldn't be a massively outsized portion even if I didn't cut everything else as much or more. And I'm also not sure that it's entirely wrong for military spending to be a large share of the federal discretionary budget considering our system.)

I revoke one of the appropriate adjectives applied to your post. Maybe.

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« Reply #9076 on: September 21, 2017, 03:30:03 AM »
60 years from now, the number one cause of death in US retirement homes will be "arguments about the 2016 preliminary election".

"The retired citizen was bludgeoned to death by a fellow resident with his own 1st edition copy of What happened"

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« Reply #9077 on: September 21, 2017, 08:04:42 AM »
I think it's because Bernie is ultimately more of a stand-in for a long simmering internal feud within the Democratic Party that the DLC won thirty years ago, and Clinton and Obama's victories papered over, that is now coming back as part of the self-evaluation period of a defeat, especially a shocking and surprising defeat like this and especially a shocking primary like this was. Bernie's ballot support essentially didn't exist outside Iowa and NH until two months before 2016 and he arguably got stronger as the primary went on (especially in terms of fundraising) even as his chances evaporated.

Bradley, Romney and Gingrich never represented a stark ideological division within their party (and Santorum was arguably the runner-up to Romney in 2012 and also didn't) especially with Romney coming back four years later to get the nomination. Dean didn't really either other than it was a preview of how Obama would be able to use his not being in the Senate during Iraq against the rest of the field which had to make those votes. Plus he became the head of the DNC and they won back Congress.

Reagan/Ford forty years earlier led to this debate in the Republican Party that lasted pretty much until Reagan beat Carter. Ford was more of a conservative than those who ran the GOP for the prior thirty years but Reagan flanked him and made him a stand-in for the moderate-to-"liberal" Republicans like Rockefeller, Mathias, Baker, Richardson, Weicker, Nixon, etc. much like Bernie made Hillary into a defender of the DLC/status-quo versus a more progressive "vision" in a way that prior runner-ups hadn't because none of them were ever as far "left" within the Congressional spectrum as Bernie is. Dean, Edwards, Bradley were all DLC/moderate types who took one or two issues to the "left" of the field (and arguably Edwards only did this in his disastrous 2008 incarnation) but in other cases were often to "the right" of the field.

In the case of Reagan/Bernie, as they were in unique positions politically, they could essentially just swing entirely in that direction. And with Ford trying to defend his record, and Hillary effectively trying to defend the Obama record plus her husbands, they locked themselves into positions that let them get hammered by an ideological wing within the party even more so than even the wing might truly support because they expected to hold territory for the general. Hillary even more than Ford was trying to out maneuver everyone to a safe center that she could drift "left" from, which would have been great, except she went up against Bernie and Trump who had no problem with assaulting these positions for being centrist or moderate or what have you rather than getting say Rubio or Cruz who would try to paint her as socialist and to the "left."

Bernie's the stand-in because who else is going to be that? Nina Turner? :lol

Elizabeth Warren and Sherrod Brown are up for re-election so they can't exactly run out there as carrying the progressive banner against the Democratic Party itself. Even if they're likely to win. And anyone who wants to go for 2020 isn't going to do it except in the half-assed way Martin O'Malley tried to.

Which leaves Roque "Rocky" De La Fuente. And Geoffrey Fieger. :american

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« Reply #9078 on: September 21, 2017, 12:22:56 PM »
If Obama had lost the general in '08, we'd definitely have heard about how the Democratic Party needed to do more to reach out to Hillary Clinton voters (which would have included rural white Dems, ironically).

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« Reply #9079 on: September 21, 2017, 12:32:11 PM »
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I see the election as less of an indictment on the democrat party's agenda/focus/etc and more an example of what happens when your candidate is downright unlikable/uninspiring/lazy/etc. And even still, she barely lost. I see no need to drastically change things for 2020. Just don't nominate someone who has been a partisan lightning rod for most of the last 3 decades. Pretty easy to avoid.
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« Reply #9080 on: September 21, 2017, 12:48:37 PM »
Alternate, pessimistic hot take: Hillary Clinton did better than the Democratic House candidates. There are deeper problems for the party.

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« Reply #9081 on: September 21, 2017, 12:58:32 PM »
Gotta take gerrymandering into account as well.
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« Reply #9082 on: September 21, 2017, 01:06:54 PM »
https://twitter.com/DKElections/status/910577326412505092

As well as geographic clustering. Maryland's a very Democratic state, but basically requires a crazy gerrymander just so that will be reflected in the Congressional delegation (Dem votes are heavily concentrated in DC suburbs and Baltimore).

Also, y'know, Clinton got almost 3 million more votes than Trump and lost.

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« Reply #9083 on: September 21, 2017, 01:09:32 PM »
My hot take that no one asked for: Facebook did more harm to Hillary than the Comey letter.
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« Reply #9084 on: September 21, 2017, 07:13:52 PM »
I honestly don't get why every analysis of the 2016 campaign has to include the primary loser.

Do we talk about Howard Dean when looking back on how Kerry lost to Bush? Do we talk about Bill Bradley when looking back on how Gore blew a slam dunk? Do Republicans talk about Romney 08 or Gingrich '12?

The crusty old fuck was irrelevant after April 2016. He doesn't need to be brought up at all. Honestly, Clinton shouldn't have even talked about him in her book, but this shit was going on way before those pages even got leaked.


I thought Sanders lost her the election by not dropping out soon enough, now he was irrelevant after April? Make up your mind.

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« Reply #9085 on: September 21, 2017, 08:02:03 PM »
Signal boosting to target voters who were on the verge of becoming disaffected was absolutely an effective tactic.

Dems should just copy this playbook for 2020, or even 2018. Register a couple thousand fake accounts, infiltrate conservative pages, and just signal boost the fuck out of any dissatisfaction they see, or even start it where it doesn't yet exist. Post stuff like, "After ___, Trump has let me down for the last time. I will NEVER vote Trump again." Then have your fake accounts make that the most-liked comment in the thread. You could use that for GOP senators/House reps too.
Like Verrit I can't think of a number that would be enough to properly fund this plan.

In fact, Verrit should be at the center of it. People love memes!

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« Reply #9086 on: September 21, 2017, 09:11:30 PM »
My hot take that no one asked for: Facebook did more harm to Hillary than the Comey letter.

Signal boosting to target voters who were on the verge of becoming disaffected was absolutely an effective tactic.

Dems should just copy this playbook for 2020, or even 2018. Register a couple thousand fake accounts, infiltrate conservative pages, and just signal boost the fuck out of any dissatisfaction they see, or even start it where it doesn't yet exist. Post stuff like, "After ___, Trump has let me down for the last time. I will NEVER vote Trump again." Then have your fake accounts make that the most-liked comment in the thread. You could use that for GOP senators/House reps too.

And if it doesn't work, we can all move our money into BRAWNDOtm stocks.




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« Reply #9087 on: September 21, 2017, 09:14:51 PM »
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Valerie Plame Wilson offered another apology Thursday hours after tweeting an anti-Semitic article titled "America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars," telling Business Insider that she had been multitasking when she posted the story on her account.

"I made a mistake and should not have retweeted that article," Wilson said in an email. "I sincerely apologized. I was just so focused on the neocons lust for war: 'If you liked the Iraq war, you’ll love an Iranian one.'"

She continued:

"On a personal note, one should not tweet while moving, 8 workmen are in a small space, the dog is going nuts, and kids are texting one asking for things they forgot for school. Social media very unforgiving.

I feel badly and will gladly shake the hand of anyone who has never made a mistake."
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The article, published on the website The Unz Review, made a number of blanket statements about Jewish people.

The piece blamed Jews for the rise of American neoconservatism and proposed that presidential administrations avoid placing them in "national security positions involving the Middle East, where they will potentially be conflicted."

Wilson's tweet sparked backlash almost instantly, drawing condemnation on social media, as several users noted that Wilson has been tweeting similar links from the website for years.

Wilson declined to say whether she would continue raising money to purchase Twitter so she could boot President Donald Trump from the platform.
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« Reply #9088 on: September 21, 2017, 09:28:37 PM »
ohhhh what's that music



Quote from: Kurt Schlichter
In a culture where humorless leftists scolds seek to impose their rule upon us normals by sucking every drop of joy out of life, it is the conservative smartass who is the true subversive. Don’t look to Hollywood’s allegedly edgy comics to zing the zeitgeist – hacky proggy stand-ups and interchangeable liberal late-night hosts are the opposite of rebels, with their dreadfully generic opinions and lockstep jokes designed to get the herd of trained seals that makes up their fish-breathed audience beating their flippers. No, if you want someone who snarks truth to power instead of speaking consensus coastal truth to the powerless, you gotta step to the right.

And Lisa de Pasquale is one of these conserva-revolutionaries, a young woman who is in equal parts funny and fearless. She has a new book dropping, The Social Studies Warrior Handbook: A Practical Survival Guide for Snowflakes, Millennials, and Generation Z, and it does exactly what today’s embattled conservatives need to do – it goes full bull in the progressive china shop.
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Felonia von Pantsuit might think the central message of 1984 was “Mindlessly obey the ruling caste,” but the undeniable fact is that our institutions have failed us, and no one presuming to speak from authority deserves your unthinking, reflexive trust. Sarcasm and cynicism are not merely appropriate responses to decades of lies and failure by those posing as our betters; they are torches we can now use to burn down the whole rotten edifice of progressive cultural tyranny.

Lisa is all about the arson. With The Social Studies Warrior Handbook, she turns her flamethrower on that most annoying manifestation of liberalism's intellectual bankruptcy and infatuation with tyranny, the Social Studies Warrior. Lisa sums up their twisted world-view thusly: “Every day we see people driving their cars, going to their jobs, spending time with their friends and families. They are oblivious to how they contribute to the problems in America.”

You need to understand that Social Studies Warriors are the leads in a giant personal psychodrama they want to suck us all into. But they aren’t traditional heroes – they’re far too goofy. Think of Social Studies Warriors as the nerds in Revenge of the Nerds, except these nerds aren’t sympathetic fringies. They’re malignant manipulators who act like the jocks and want to make the rest of us as miserably friendless and loveless as they are. Instead of giving their victims wedgies, the babbling bullies of the left want to whine us into submission.

These suburban-born aspiring Red Guards aim to lead their own Cultural Revolution from safe havens within academia and deep in the fetid bowels of the internet, but they'd just be yet another group of hapless leftist losers except that they discovered how to exploit a key vulnerability. They learned they can rely upon the dedication to reason and essential decency of normal people to protect them from what should be the painful consequences of their actions. Social Studies Warriors succeed for one reason, and one reason only – too few people simply burst into laughter when these mayo-loving white people with dreads and daddy issues announce that today they identify as black, or that prominent Jewish conservatives are “Nazis,” or that some women have penises.

Social Studies Warriors deserve nothing but contempt and the merciless ridicule that goes with it. Yet, sadly, we Americans are usually reflexively too polite to deliver the verbal beatdowns these dorks deserve. Because we are genuinely nice people, we generally assume that other people are acting in good faith even when what they are saying is manifestly idiotic. We tend to think, “Hmmmm, that sounds really insane, but I should give this person the benefit of the doubt and react in a polite manner when she bursts into tears because, she says, my not accepting that men can menstruate is a hate crime.”

What we should think, and say, is “You’re stupid, so stop talking and finish filling my latte order, weirdo.”
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Social Studies Warriors prey on that default presumption of good faith, knowing that normals will assume Social Studies Warriors sincerely mean whatever idiocy they spew. But the truth is that all this nonsense about microaggressions and such is just a way to impose their fussy control over us. The remedy, as these Millennial morons might say, is for us normals to “get woke” to the Social Studies Warrior okie-doke, and to recognize that their whole deal is to silence us by socially criminalizing anything we say, do, and believe.
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And Lisa gets medieval on them.

The Social Studies Warrior Handbook is just that, a faux guide to how to be a crying, bitter baby demanding that mommy and daddy submit to his, her or xir's increasingly ridiculous commands. And by writing it, Lisa provides a template for us to do what we all need to do all the time – see through their lies and strip them of their power by ruthlessly mocking these proto-fascist geebos until they flee back to their safe spaces.

As Lisa writes, “If you’re new to fighting, your best option is the sucker punch.” The Social Studies Warriors have brilliantly provoked a battle within the Octagon, except the only weapon allowed is the one they excel at using, whiny words (They would so not dig a real fight on us normals’ terms). Sure, they sometimes throw on masks, gather into groups, and start some actual violence, but that only happens on the rare occasions where they vastly outnumber their opponents and the cops are ordered to retreat. When there’s push-back, they fold. It’s all a pose; they aren’t really about violence beyond trying to score with woke sophomorettes by wearing shirts memorializing Cuban butchers. The Social Studies Warrior’s weapons are words, and they depend on our default courtesy to make us respectfully listen to whatever stupid thing they have to say.

That needs to stop. Lisa’s book is a welcome diss track that should motivate us all to provide the proper response to these campus communists and academic anarchists the next time they start flapping their quinoa holes: “Hey jerks, I got your revolution right here.”
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« Reply #9089 on: September 21, 2017, 09:59:32 PM »
I envision him firing up some youtube compilation of LIEBERALS GETTING REKT by various conservative pundits, scrolling through Breitbart comments and then checking out Truthfeed before laying back in his chair staring at the ceiling intensely through closed eyes while letting it all wash over him before suddenly bursting forward with "GOT IT" and just blasting out the column and hitting send without reading it.

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« Reply #9090 on: September 21, 2017, 10:05:16 PM »
oh, for those wondering, truthfeed is for people who find Breitbart headlines too nuanced and complex and Drudge's links to be fake news, also they have the hottest conservative memes:

BREAKING: DNC in SHAMBLES With Over $4 Million in Debt!


LOL: New Poll Shows More People Regret Voting for Hillary Than Trump


Morning Joe Joins the View for the ULTIMATE Anti-Trump WHINE-FEST!


VIDEO: Maine Woman ORDERED to Take Down Trump Sign But REFUSES To!

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« Reply #9091 on: September 21, 2017, 10:18:27 PM »
benji maybe take some time away from the internet
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« Reply #9092 on: September 21, 2017, 10:28:16 PM »
You say that again to me and we might actually have a problem here.

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« Reply #9093 on: September 21, 2017, 10:29:14 PM »
benji maybe take some time away from the internet
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« Reply #9094 on: September 21, 2017, 10:39:26 PM »
define "time" and "away" and "internet" first :bolo

mang u make a couple jokey garbage posts in a silly thread and the social studies warriors try and silence your brave voice by calling the police

you make an earnest response to jack with a better historical parallel and nobody tells you to not talk to them and their son again because nobody reads it anyway

this is just like when Bernie faced the rigged DNC primary debates

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« Reply #9095 on: September 21, 2017, 11:24:56 PM »
Thank you for being extremely online all the time Benji.

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« Reply #9096 on: September 22, 2017, 03:30:51 AM »
Benjipwns, I'm revoking your copy-paste privileges.

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« Reply #9097 on: September 22, 2017, 12:42:54 PM »
Benjipwns, I'm revoking your copy-paste privileges.
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« Reply #9098 on: September 22, 2017, 12:49:32 PM »


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« Reply #9100 on: September 22, 2017, 03:07:48 PM »
If McCain's a No that pretty much kills the bill.
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« Reply #9101 on: September 22, 2017, 04:12:15 PM »
So I kept hearing from American political commenters last few weeks that when the precedent repeal failed it was pretty much the end of it because the window for a simple majority vote on the matter was closing. It was obviously inaccurate since you're here doing that dance again.
Is there really anything stopping from floating a repeal as long as they are in the majority ?
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« Reply #9102 on: September 22, 2017, 04:36:55 PM »
It's always possible that they could change the rules to allow for it, but under the current rules they only have until September 30 to pass the repeal with just 50 votes. After that, they either need 60 votes [which they won't get] or they have to wait until next year to do another budget reconciliation bill [which they probably won't want to use again on Obamacare repeal, given its repeated failures].
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« Reply #9103 on: September 22, 2017, 04:41:10 PM »
It's basically dead until 2019 if it misses this deadline. No one will touch it while campaigning.
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« Reply #9104 on: September 22, 2017, 05:59:29 PM »
So I kept hearing from American political commenters last few weeks that when the precedent repeal failed it was pretty much the end of it because the window for a simple majority vote on the matter was closing. It was obviously inaccurate since you're here doing that dance again.
Is there really anything stopping from floating a repeal as long as they are in the majority ?

September 30th is the deadline for passing a majority-only bill this year.

What had given the previous failure a sense of finality was the way the people involved had reacted (moving on to other priorities, beginning bipartisan talks on a bill with smaller-scale changes, etc). Even so, Graham-Cassidy was always in the background and at least the liberals I follow on Twitter were monitoring it. "Repeal is not defeated until the Democrats take back either the presidency or one chamber of Congress" was a bit of a mantra.

It's a really weird dynamic. "Repealing Obamacare" has been a huge priority for the Republican party and a repeated promise made by their elected officials but the actual effects of doing so are wildly unpopular, which is why they resorted to such an unusual process (and why they've lied about the bill so blatantly). I really think they could have passed a bill with only cosmetic changes, declared victory, and been fine with their base. But they probably have enough ideologues in the House that this could have caused problems.

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« Reply #9105 on: September 22, 2017, 09:39:46 PM »
well, there's been a shitload of batshit-crazy judges getting confirmed to the less prestigious lower courts by this administration. And the dems aren't ruthless/dirty enough to employ all the same stalling tactics the Pub's did for Obama. So there's a bunch of lousy judges getting through already. Even if Trump and eventual President Pence get nothing else done, they've already made a significant mark on the long term tilt of the government.

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« Reply #9106 on: September 22, 2017, 11:43:52 PM »
Really hate this narrative that no one was paying attention, liberals/activists/democrats dropped the ball, etc. The reality of the matter is that the senate has been about 1 vote away for quite some time. This has nothing to do with the opposition. Nor do I think it makes sense to argue that everyone should have been on high alert 24/7 after McConnell, Trump, the WH, etc moved on to tax reform. I was seeing multiple people talk about this amendment on twitter for weeks, this is not a surprise or something new.

This is what happens when people don't vote, or stay home during midterms, etc. You've got a republican president, house, and senate. If Obamacare is repealed and you want to blame people, blame republicans. And perhaps blame those who simply didn't give a fuck until the reality of republican governance became reality. This isn't a game. I know a lot of people on Obamacare who didn't vote last year, either because they thought Hillary would win or didn't care for her. She lost the state by <10k votes.

Maybe now people will take things seriously. But...they won't. Because even after W Bush people still allowed this party to waltz back into power. People don't give a shit, bro.
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I know this is like a 3 day necro response but you voted for a Republican for governor of Michigan after the Bush presidency and now you don't ever get to talk again. Shh.
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« Reply #9107 on: September 23, 2017, 12:13:54 AM »
I gotta defend PD here.

Well, I don't, but the Snyder landslide was a bit of an unique situation. And us in this actually not a terrible hellhole have to bond together.

There were actual Bush admin friendlies running for Governor in the GOP primary while Snyder had never even donated to them but he ran in as BUSINESS DUDE LEMME RUN THINGS LIKE BUSINESS and crushed the field by running an ad during the Super Bowl about how he was a nerd rather than a politician. (Which is like epic out of the box campaign stuff at the time.) Snyder also was, at the time, semi-pro-choice, not anti-gay and other stuff and complained about the legislature wasting time on that kind of stuff but he dealt with a MIGOP that is entirely socially conservative focused and controlled so to get his business/tax/etc. legislation he has unfortunately compromised on a bunch of that crap. (Thankfully, it hasn't been as bad as say, Mike Pence or John Kasich's "compromises" on the same.)

And also, Snyder was running against Virg Bernero. Which meant the election was over before it started. It's like if the GOP nominated for President 2002 Mitt Romney before anyone could know anything about him except that he SAVE THE OLYMPICS and ran him against the recently elected Mayor of Denver or something.

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Had Snyder not run, the likely MI Governor would be Pete Hoekstra. The guy who ran the Debbie Spenditnow ad with the fake Chinese engrish lady. Who has regularly introduced bills to bring back prayer in schools or deny funding to schools who didn't allow it.

Who apparently recently was nominated to be Ambassador to the Netherlands. And I totally did not know he was actually born there, no wonder he's so dominant on the West Side. Also his real name is Pieter.

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so like, it's not like PD voted for Snyder's re-election (even if he may arguably still be a better Governor than Schauer ever would be anything in life based on how they ran that campaign) :doge

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« Reply #9108 on: September 23, 2017, 12:24:17 AM »
President Trump told a crowd of supporters in Alabama on Friday night that his proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border would be "see through."

"The wall is happening. In fact, you probably saw, you know, we have a wall up there now, and re-renovating it already. It's being made pristine, perfect, just as good as new, though we may go a little higher than that, but that's OK. And we are building samples of a new wall. You know, it has to be a see-through wall," Trump said.

"If you can't [see] through it, you don't know who's on the other side. Let's say we build a pre-cast concrete wall and now we have people on the other side," he continued. "It's going to stop drugs. It's going to stop a lot of bad things."
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« Reply #9109 on: September 23, 2017, 12:32:03 AM »
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« Reply #9110 on: September 23, 2017, 12:43:22 AM »
If you can't see through it, you don't know who's on the other side.

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« Reply #9111 on: September 23, 2017, 02:00:00 AM »
That see through wall shit got me :confused

Like, why even bring that up as an idea.

this see-through wall of yours sounds a lot like a fence


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« Reply #9112 on: September 23, 2017, 03:42:22 PM »


more like bill fuckley

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« Reply #9113 on: September 23, 2017, 06:03:18 PM »
This is how Trump got elected.
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« Reply #9114 on: September 23, 2017, 06:05:59 PM »
Amazing what an aristocratic accent can do for your intellectual reputation.

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« Reply #9115 on: September 23, 2017, 06:39:22 PM »
I know this Steph Curry thing is dumb and childish, but it amazes me just how much Donnie managed to screw up what is a totally normal, easy thing to do.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/911572182060453893

Mr. Curry had already declined the invitation, months ago in fact. Trump likely never knew of this until twenty minutes before this tweet when Fox and Friends did a segment about it. Now the entirety of the Golden State Warriors will be skipping the White House Trip and every pro athlete worth their salt is scoring easy points off of solidarity with the least objectionable megastar in sports today.

https://twitter.com/KingJames/status/911610455877021697

this is one of the most liked tweets ever btw. Its astonishing, how Trump united a huge, disparite group of nominally apolitical celebrities against him simply by being a huge asshole. Its something we've seen before, we'll see again, but its simply amazing to me how little thought goes into this shit.

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« Reply #9116 on: September 23, 2017, 07:02:04 PM »
Trump kind of give up any sort of say in protesting after Charlestonvile. Like he cares about people saluting or not the flag.

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« Reply #9117 on: September 23, 2017, 07:31:44 PM »
Trump goading NFL players and other sports players to do or say something stupid is damn amazing. The sad part is it will happen.

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« Reply #9118 on: September 23, 2017, 10:22:13 PM »
Trump goading NFL players and other sports players to do or say something stupid is damn amazing. The sad part is it will happen.

Fuck off with that 4D chess BS...

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« Reply #9119 on: September 23, 2017, 10:30:02 PM »
Trump goading NFL players and other sports players to do or say something stupid is damn amazing. The sad part is it will happen.


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