US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Nola]

Not from the same article but:

On top of that, companies would get some new tax breaks to help lower their bills, such as the ability to deduct all the costs of purchasing new equipment for five years, as well as a special low rate on any money they bring back to the United States from low-tax countries such as Ireland. Many businesses have been holding cash overseas to avoid 35 percent U.S. taxes. Now they would get to bring the money home at a tax rate of 12 percent.

Bargain buying 

It’s like the scaled up version of that time Fred Trump illegally bought 3 million dollars in poker chips for his son’s failing casino, and didn’t cash them, used as a daddy bail-out loan, which violated state casino laws. As a penalty for that the state fined the casino 65,000 dollars.

So basically what you are signaling is that if you are wise, you will leave your money overseas to avoid the normal taxation, than just repatriate it under a lower rate when the government extends that leniency....Or you just keep the money where you don’t even pay that 12%.

[Nola]

Does the Washington Post limit everyone's article access count per month, or is it just for viewers outside their advertising region? I've seen both in action, I'm just curious.

Just people without private browser mode.

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[benjipwns]

Does the Washington Post limit everyone's article access count per month, or is it just for viewers outside their advertising region? I've seen both in action, I'm just curious.

It may depend on the section of the site. The New York Times and Wall Street Journal have both had schemes were certain sections were unlimited and others gave you so many articles, they may do something similar, especially for foreigners.

ublock seems to stop whatever the WaPo uses for me if they use anything (i whitelist the bore of course)

[chronovore]

Does the Washington Post limit everyone's article access count per month, or is it just for viewers outside their advertising region? I've seen both in action, I'm just curious.

Just people without private browser mode.

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Damnit, I should have thought of cookies as the culprit; why would they track my IP server side if they can just put it in a browser cookie?

[VomKriege]

So basically what you are signaling is that if you are wise, you will leave your money overseas to avoid the normal taxation, than just repatriate it under a lower rate when the government extends that leniency....Or you just keep the money where you don’t even pay that 12%.

Hold on, I thought we didn't negotiate with terrorists?

We had a grace period in France for people willing to repatriate money stashed in tax h(e)avens, just after it was publicized some list of names (UBS leak, IIRC) made it to the tax administration. It "works" in the sense you're likely to see exceptional one off surplus of tax collected next budget but it doesn't do anything to adress the issue.

[benjipwns]

Well, clearly then there should just be a permanent grace period.

Along with the lower rates.

[benjipwns]

Nope, we should man up and tell Google that we're tired of their games and we don't even want their filthy tax money anyway, they can keep it. And the same goes for all the rest of these corporations, we're better than needing their tainted funds. Make them see how it feels when someone doesn't even want their forced charity.

And as for the personal taxes, if they don't learn their lesson from our hardline on not accepting their corporate tax money then we'll extend it there too. Aren't they going to feel dumb for hiring all those accountants.

[benjipwns]

this scorched earth book tour

FORMER INTERIM DEMOCRATIC National Committee Chair Donna Brazile said Bill Clinton “paid a huge price” for the Monica Lewinsky scandal and that talking about his past at this time distracts from the “pervasive problem” of sexual harassment in “our society and the workplace.”

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-N.Y., recently told the New York Times that Bill Clinton stepping down during the scandal involving Lewinsky, a White House intern at the time, would have been an “appropriate response.”

During an event at Politics & Prose bookstore in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday evening for her new book “Hacks: The Inside Story of the Break-ins and Breakdowns That Put Donald Trump in the White House,“ Brazile weighed in on Gillibrand’s statement about Clinton and whether Democratic candidates should campaign with the Clintons during the 2018 midterm election campaign.

“Absolutely, no doubt, and let me tell you something,” Brazile said. “I worked for Bill Clinton and Al Gore, OK, part of my formative years. Bill Clinton was impeached. In 1998, I went over to the DNC, I left my job with [Reps.] Eleanor Holmes Norton and Dick Gephardt to go over to the [Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee] and the [Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee] and the DNC, and we came within five seats [of taking the House in the 1998 midterm elections]. Bill Clinton paid a huge price and I know everybody wants to re-litigate it today and rather than talk about Roy Moore, a man who has been banned from the mall, and not want to talk about sexual harassment — sexual harassment is a pervasive problem in our society and the workplace.”

At the book event, Brazile said she was worried that the focus on individuals like Bill Clinton would distract from the broader problem. “It’s not just celebrities. It’s not just politicians. It’s not just comedians. Rather than address this issue, we’re trying to make this out of a political issue like, ‘Oh, should he do this and should he’ — this is a pervasive problem in the workplace, and we need to give encouragement to the people who are coming forward with their story,” she added.

“I believe the women and we should stop trying to distract from the issue at hand, which is sexual harassment. It is immoral, it’s wrong, and it doesn’t matter if it occurred 30 years ago or if it occurred last night. We need to speak out and give voice to what is happening in our society.”

We need Bernie Sanders out there. We need Hillary Clinton out there. We need Joe Biden out there. When your party has been in the wilderness; when you’ve lost 932 state legislative seats and 11 gubernatorial seats; when you’ve lost over 63 congressional seats, we can’t afford to be going out there and saying, ‘Donna, sit your butt home. Bill, sit your butt home.’

“My book is above love — love of country and love of my party and the candidate that I wanted to help get into the Oval Office, and I have no regrets that I went over to the Democratic National Committee.”

Brazile recalled someone asking her in Louisiana why she didn’t quit given the problems at the DNC that she described in her new book.

“After being on the road for almost three weeks, it made me cry and I’m a tough old lady. It made be cry because, why would I quit when I wanted to see Hillary in the White House? And why would I quit when my staff, my friends, my colleagues — they were under attack?” she said. “I would never leave the battlefield as long as I had people out there fighting on my behalf and your behalf and on behalf of those who were running. It was not just a hack, it was a crime, and no one has been brought to justice yet.”

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/933296141587791873

[benjipwns]

Oh wait, this one is better:
https://twitter.com/NishaChittal/status/933143346578706432
https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/933143604222201856

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https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/932242461270867968

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[Assimilate]

https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/933296141587791873

The sexism thing is blown out of proportion. She was too easy of a target. She had too many skeletons.

[benjipwns]

Julian Assange was apparently trying to get Twitter to reinstate a Daou parody account (according to Daou) but are we sure this hasn't always been it?
https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/931930154942849025

[VomKriege]

Julian Assange was apparently trying to get Twitter to reinstate a Daou parody account (according to Daou) but are we sure this hasn't always been it?
https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/931930154942849025

The real one is in for a rough reenactment of the Body Snatchers ending.

[agrajag]

Jack's been busy on twitter

[Valhelm]

not-at-all-hot-take: Peter Daou is the Democrats' Gorka

[Nola]

Lawyers for Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, notified the president’s legal team in recent days that they could no longer discuss the special counsel’s investigation, according to four people involved in the case, an indication that Mr. Flynn is cooperating with prosecutors or negotiating such a deal.

Defense lawyers frequently share information during investigations, but they must stop when doing so would pose a conflict of interest. It is unethical for lawyers to work together when one client is cooperating with prosecutors and another is still under investigation.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/us/politics/flynn-mueller-russia-trump.html

 


Trump’s Twitter Thanksgiving should be interesting.

[thehunter116]

Lawyers for Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, notified the president’s legal team in recent days that they could no longer discuss the special counsel’s investigation, according to four people involved in the case, an indication that Mr. Flynn is cooperating with prosecutors or negotiating such a deal.

Defense lawyers frequently share information during investigations, but they must stop when doing so would pose a conflict of interest. It is unethical for lawyers to work together when one client is cooperating with prosecutors and another is still under investigation.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/us/politics/flynn-mueller-russia-trump.html

 


Trump’s Twitter Thanksgiving should be interesting.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mueller-has-enough-evidence-bring-charges-flynn-investigation-n817666

Yep, those walls are closing in. Getting harder and harder for people to keep saying "this is nothing" or "DNC just salty". 

[kingv]

not-at-all-hot-take: Peter Daou is the Democrats' Gorka

I think those are just a troll posting. None of them are verified by veritt.

Also, trump supporters will continue to say it’s just the DNC is salty until and even after DJT is goose walked out of the Oval Office in handcuffs.

[Nola]

not-at-all-hot-take: Peter Daou is the Democrats' Gorka

I think those are just a troll posting. None of them are verified by veritt.

Also, trump supporters will continue to say it’s just the DNC is salty until and even after DJT is goose walked out of the Oval Office in handcuffs.

Absolutely, same thing happened with Nixon.

Nixon still received 50%+ popularity with the Republican party right up until he resigned. And Nixon didn't even have a Fox News, Breit Bart, and countless internet echo chambers to go to war on his behalf 24/7.

Trump ain't lying when he said he could shoot someone on fifth avenue.

[Madrun Badrun]

to be fair Nixon didn't commit fucking treason

he broke in some DNC shit and tried to cover it up... who cares

Trump is literally a traitor

Nixon did commit treason  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/opinion/sunday/nixons-vietnam-treachery.html

[Boogie]

Lawyers for Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, notified the president’s legal team in recent days that they could no longer discuss the special counsel’s investigation, according to four people involved in the case, an indication that Mr. Flynn is cooperating with prosecutors or negotiating such a deal.

Defense lawyers frequently share information during investigations, but they must stop when doing so would pose a conflict of interest. It is unethical for lawyers to work together when one client is cooperating with prosecutors and another is still under investigation.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/us/politics/flynn-mueller-russia-trump.html

 


Trump’s Twitter Thanksgiving should be interesting.

Geez, Flynn, a little late in the game to decide to play ball, don’tcha think?

[Transhuman]

to be fair Nixon didn't commit fucking treason

he broke in some DNC shit and tried to cover it up... who cares

Trump is literally a traitor

Nixon did commit treason  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/opinion/sunday/nixons-vietnam-treachery.html

[Nola]

Geez, Flynn, a little late in the game to decide to play ball, don’tcha think?

There was word a while ago he sought immunity for testimony, but most I think saw that as a leverage play on his part and prosecutors almost never take such deals and didn’t. Now I think Mueller reportedly has his son wrapped up in this with potentially heavy charges. So it seems Mueller is using that leverage to force Flynn to either cooperate or give his son up for Trump and/or his people.

[agrajag]

Flynn



 

[kingv]

Flynn’s son is a real shit burger.

[agrajag]

Michael Flynn wouldn't be privy to Kushner being involved in Comey firing, that happened after Flynn was fired and was already under investigation.

[Nola]

so who do you think flynn has information on

it's gotta be kushner right?

im guessing mueller doesn't give a shit about don j because he's not part of the white house

and the whole reason why there's a special counsel is because of comey being fired and the kush was part of that or something

it's probably either kushner or trump himself

it's gonna be glorious when the shit show finally comes crashing down

I mean the other possibility that does still exist is that Flynn ends up not having anything, or enough at least for Mueller to be willing to cut a deal. Or, he might just have corroborating evidence on Manafort.

I’m no lawyer, but it seems like the case is strong enough against Manafort that they wouldn’t take a deal with Flynn simply for that. But IDK.

[Nola]

Michael Flynn wouldn't be privy to Kushner being involved in Comey firing, that happened after Flynn was fired and was already under investigation.

There was a meeting with Kushner, Flynn, and Kislyak that was disclosed as having happened, with a lot of vague lines about what was supposedly discussed and not, and there certainly remains the possibility of additional meetings that Kushner did not disclose which could present some major problems for him.

Kushner is definitely a person that seems like he is both naive and dumb enough to have caught himself up into some shady and stupid shit that could bring him down. But that’s just my own speculation.

[agrajag]

Be ready to be underwhelmed, better to keep your expectations low.

I'm gonna go on a limb and say that Flynn is going to reveal that Trump knew what the subject of his conversation with Kisliyak, or perhaps even was instructed to discuss the sanctions by Trump. In other words, further evidence for those that already believe in Trump's guilt, or something to be brushed off by his supporters. No criminal charges towards Trump will come from this.

Michael Flynn wouldn't be privy to Kushner being involved in Comey firing, that happened after Flynn was fired and was already under investigation.

There were meetings with Kushner, Flynn, and Kislyak that were disclosed as having happened, and there certainly remains the possibility of additional meetings that Kushner did not disclose which could present some major problems for him.

Kushner is definitely a person that seems like he is both naive and dumb enough to have caught himself up into some shady and stupid shit that could bring him down. But that’s just my own speculation.

Right. I was specifically responding to Dufus's speculation that Kushner was a part of Comey's firing and that Flynn would know something about this. I highly doubt that.

[kingv]

If Flynn cuts a deal then he has something meaningful on somebody. It’s probably trump or Sessions. Though sessions seems to have been reacting in horror as it all played out and didn’t seem to start covering it up until later.

I agree that the piece of information Flynn turns over (or at least what gets leaked) might not mean much to trumps diehards but literally nothing will mean anything to them.

It’s actually pretty phenomenal how far the trump campaign has changed it’s story. It went from “nobody talked to Russians” to “ok we talked to Russians but it was normal transition stuff” to “ok it wasn’t normal transition stuff but nothing came of it” to “ok, something came of it, but we didn’t know something was going to come of it”. Literally, the piss tape could drop and Russia could pay trump off in cash on video and they would say “taking money just makes him smart, Russians are our friends anyway, it’s ok to pee on hookers if you repent, and besides Hillary killed Vince foster.”

If you approach it from a view of “this will finally convince his supporters or it’s disappointing, you will always be disappointed 100% of the time.

[agrajag]

Peeing on underage russian hookers and taking bribes from hostile foreign nations is deeply disturbing, but at least it's not a democrat in the white house slowing down our america first agenda 

[Phoenix Dark]

oh yeah

oh well

this is why I love Dufus and like his posts. Taking responsibility

[Phoenix Dark]

https://twitter.com/jeremyslevin/status/934064837268852737

[Mandark]

I'm so old I remember when Ben Shapiro was a professional virgin.

[etiolate]

The press greatly mislead the public on Trayvon Martin

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[Human Snorenado]

Fortunately, time has borne out the fact that Zimmerman isn't a scumbag with anger management issues, so we can be sure etoilet is, as always, correct.

[thisismyusername]

Julian Assange was apparently trying to get Twitter to reinstate a Daou parody account (according to Daou) but are we sure this hasn't always been it?
https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/931930154942849025

Did Verrit even blend, or did it bomb like everyone mocked it to do?

https://twitter.com/crushingbort/status/905282210122563584

[etiolate]

Zimmerman may indeed be an asshole.

But Martin was shot because he attacked Zimmerman, punched his face and, yes, knocked the back of his head against the cement.

We went from innocent Trayvon being shot by an old white racist, to Trayvon doing bad shit and attacking a hot headed hispanic community watch guy.  So you hang on temper issues because you had to move the goal post that fucking far. That's what upsets people about Ben's statement. It cuts them in their deep well of bullshit.

[Phoenix Dark]

I forgot that defending yourself against a racist, aggressive stalker harassing you at night is punishable by death.

[zomgee]

Fortunately, time has borne out the fact that Zimmerman isn't a scumbag with anger management issues, so we can be sure etoilet is, as always, correct.

you engaged

why

[Joe Molotov]

The press greatly mislead the public on Trayvon Martin

dealwithit.gif

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/934189999045693441

[Boredfrom]

The press greatly mislead the public on Trayvon Martin

dealwithit.gif

He didn't deserve to die, thought.

[zomgee]

HELLO THIS IS TIME MAGAZINE CAN WE TALK TO THE PRESIDENT ABOUT HOW MUCH WE LOVE HIM

WE WANT TO CALL HIM MAN (PERSON) OF THE YEAR

YES THAT IS HOW WE SAY IT JUST LIKE THAT

OK WE WILL HOLD

[Mandark]

community watch guy

huh

[thisismyusername]

Zimmerman may indeed be an asshole.

But Martin was shot because he attacked Zimmerman, punched his face and, yes, knocked the back of his head against the cement.

We went from innocent Trayvon being shot by an old white racist, to Trayvon doing bad shit and attacking a hot headed hispanic community watch guy.  So you hang on temper issues because you had to move the goal post that fucking far. That's what upsets people about Ben's statement. It cuts them in their deep well of bullshit.

Please regale us on how a 15 year old beating a 30 year old in the face and then *gasp* the 30 year old hitting cement means pulling a gun when the 15 year old was using his bare-hands/no knife/no weapon to justify another weapon/firearm being pulled out. And if you're going to talk "moving goal-posts," Etoilet, at least defend:

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and his other numerous legal cases since.

(*gasp* PARALLAX LOOK I'M ACTUALLY DEFENDING BLACK PEOPLE, you moron)

[etiolate]

The press greatly mislead the public on Trayvon Martin

dealwithit.gif

He didn't deserve to die, thought.

I generally don't find most people deserving of death. I am certainly not a shoot first person. I don't want a Trayvon shot.

However, the narrative was made around him, the tape was edited, facts left out, and then that narrative crumbled into a lie that I bet most of the public still believes, and those that know they were mislead still  try to rearrange reality to fit the bias the false narrative created. That tweet attack falls in line with this. Trayvon isn't innocent. Zimmerman is not a nice guy. No law was broken. No guilty white man got away.

[Boredfrom]

The press greatly mislead the public on Trayvon Martin

dealwithit.gif

He didn't deserve to die, thought.

I generally don't find most people deserving of death. I am certainly not a shoot first person. I don't want a Trayvon shot.

However, the narrative was made around him, the tape was edited, facts left out, and then that narrative crumbled into a lie that I bet most of the public still believes, and those that know they were mislead still  try to rearrange reality to fit the bias the false narrative created. That tweet attack falls in line with this. Trayvon isn't innocent. Zimmerman is not a nice guy. No law was broken. No guilty white man got away.

Come on Etiolate, try for one time on your life to understand why people are still mad about a law the handwaves a teeneger getting killed because a shitty hispanic white (there is white hispanic people, dude) asshole decide to stalk him because he looked suspicious to the point of provoke him.

[agrajag]

Ben Shapiro

 

George Zimmerman
 

[etiolate]

The press greatly mislead the public on Trayvon Martin

dealwithit.gif

He didn't deserve to die, thought.

I generally don't find most people deserving of death. I am certainly not a shoot first person. I don't want a Trayvon shot.

However, the narrative was made around him, the tape was edited, facts left out, and then that narrative crumbled into a lie that I bet most of the public still believes, and those that know they were mislead still  try to rearrange reality to fit the bias the false narrative created. That tweet attack falls in line with this. Trayvon isn't innocent. Zimmerman is not a nice guy. No law was broken. No guilty white man got away.

Come on Etiolate, try for one time on your life to understand why people are still mad about a law the handwaves a teeneger getting killed because a shitty hispanic white (there is white hispanic people, dude) asshole decide to stalk him because he looked suspicious to the point of provoke him.

Do you know what actually happened? Because the real sequence of events changes the whole outlook.

[Boredfrom]

The press greatly mislead the public on Trayvon Martin

dealwithit.gif

He didn't deserve to die, thought.

I generally don't find most people deserving of death. I am certainly not a shoot first person. I don't want a Trayvon shot.

However, the narrative was made around him, the tape was edited, facts left out, and then that narrative crumbled into a lie that I bet most of the public still believes, and those that know they were mislead still  try to rearrange reality to fit the bias the false narrative created. That tweet attack falls in line with this. Trayvon isn't innocent. Zimmerman is not a nice guy. No law was broken. No guilty white man got away.

Come on Etiolate, try for one time on your life to understand why people are still mad about a law the handwaves a teeneger getting killed because a shitty hispanic white (there is white hispanic people, dude) asshole decide to stalk him because he looked suspicious to the point of provoke him.

Do you know what actually happened? Because the real sequence of events changes the whole outlook.

Oh boy, hope is not a medium link.

[Mandark]

Do you know what actually happened?

no

[etiolate]

The press greatly mislead the public on Trayvon Martin

dealwithit.gif

He didn't deserve to die, thought.

I generally don't find most people deserving of death. I am certainly not a shoot first person. I don't want a Trayvon shot.

However, the narrative was made around him, the tape was edited, facts left out, and then that narrative crumbled into a lie that I bet most of the public still believes, and those that know they were mislead still  try to rearrange reality to fit the bias the false narrative created. That tweet attack falls in line with this. Trayvon isn't innocent. Zimmerman is not a nice guy. No law was broken. No guilty white man got away.

Come on Etiolate, try for one time on your life to understand why people are still mad about a law the handwaves a teeneger getting killed because a shitty hispanic white (there is white hispanic people, dude) asshole decide to stalk him because he looked suspicious to the point of provoke him.

Do you know what actually happened? Because the real sequence of events changes the whole outlook.

Oh boy, hope is not a medium link.

I don't know what you mean here, but if you don't know the available info then I'd start with the full unedited 911 call. Then the various witness testimony and the info that came out after the trial.

[seagrams hotsauce]

You know you're on the wrong side of an issue when your argument gets Timu to defend a black person

[thehunter116]

I for one can't wait to hear all the arguments from certain people how Trump being arrested is a conspiracy from the DNC/Establishment.

[TakingBackSunday]

Please stop quoting that fucking idiot

[Nola]

It's interesting that the thing that chaps the ass of etoilet to come out of hiding is not the dead 17 year old, or the asinine gun laws that made it possible, or the racism embedded in Zimmerman that was the poison that sparked the entire event and eventual death regardless of the timeline you want to buy into, but that the "media"(whatever that even means) didn't frame Martin as more of a degenerate. That really gets him going.

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And its fucking "misled" not "mislead"

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[agrajag]

Priorities. It'sike this dude at my work that's raging against Roy Moore's accusers because "why step forward NOW"

[thehunter116]

Priorities. It'sike this dude at my work that's raging against Roy Moore's accusers because "why step forward NOW"

They're just asking the tough questions agra. 

[agrajag]

It's all about ethics in media journalism

[thehunter116]

It's all about ethics in media journalism malls and school dances

Fixed.