US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Assimilate]

That was probably one of the most straightforward posts that Benji has written here.

 

[benjipwns]

Their right to free movement? Who gave them that right?

The Creator obviously.

What i'm arguing for is common sense immigration law. Stop talking gibberish.

We currently have a system with a kafkaist legal system for immigrating, a hundred mile zone around the border where the law is not in effect by government decree, ethnically and nationally based quotas, and are even one of the few states to continue putting hurdles on emigration. Yet you seem to be arguing with the same arguments as those clamoring for greater restriction, greater militarization of enforcement and more specific ethnic targets. And this, not lifting the existing garrison state is "common sense"?

The kid is....

It is not the duty, and rarely has it been shown to be within the ability, of the United States Government to be enforcing Article 4, Section 4 of its Constitution against other sovereign nations. (It doesn't even have the best record of enforcing this clause domestically.) Plus, there's that whole part where Congress alone has the power to declare war.

Failed states are practically by definition not an actual existential threat to the United States.

a fucking pretentious asshat.

what does this have to do with anything that i was saying?

You were bitching that people in this thread might complain if the President launched a military invasion of Venezeula to overthrow the Chavistas. Much like with Saddam Hussein, Hudson Austin or Slobodan Milosevic there's no love lost for these scumbags, but that doesn't mean the President can violate the law and use American military force to topple governments as he sees fit.

No matter how many of his predecessors have done so.

I'd much like to see the Chavistas driven from power. But I'd much more like to see our President re-restrained from using military forces as simply another option within his purview of the free hand conduct of foreign policy so blatantly.

[Mandark]

common sense

There were no immigration laws during the lifetime of Thomas Paine, author of Common Sense. 

[benjipwns]

Hasn't the US been in a constant state of major demographic change since the start? We just redefined what populations were acceptable once they had been established long enough and there was a new immigrant menace. The solution is to just move up Latinos' admission into whiteness a few decades and the crisis will be solved.

It's almost comical how the current anti-immigrant rhetoric is just replaying panics from 100, 170 years ago. The Germans aren't learning our language! The Irish and Italians are poor, illiterate, and prone to crime. The Jews are loyal to their own religion over the country they live in.

you made the secret reference!

Politik was so different in the 1920s:

As the former President of MIT has said:

He argued that the “indiscriminate hospitality” to more whose homes would be “filled by others as miserable as themselves” would not make up for any “permanent injury done to our republic,” and that with the success of the American “experiment” more would be done for the [home nations] than “allowing its city slums and its vast stagnant reservoirs of degraded peasantry to be drained off upon our soil.”

And Representative Johnson warns:

in a few years down the road without further restriction the currently despairing immigrants “will be pounding heavily at the very pillars of our government, where those who have come ahead of them a few years back with their socialism, their communism, their [revolutions], have merely gnawing like rats at our foundations.”

Representative Box of Texas has outlined our future:

if America destroyed the “work of our fathers” and became “another Europe or Asia” leaving a world that would “grow visibly darker, even to the people of foreign lands, and all that is worth living for will have been lost to us, whether we came recently or our fathers came long ago.”

Senator Heflin pointed out that in past wars we went:

“across the seas to defeat a foreign foe and prevent a foreign army from invading America” the current immigration laws were allowing “the enemy through loopholes … to come right into the American household.” Heflin asserted that if American troops had “fought to keep the enemy out, surely we can vote for a law that will keep out the dangerous and deadly enemies of the country

Republican Congressman Cable of Ohio:

called for the two parties to “unite in forming an ‘American bloc’ and that neither yield to the foreign influence,” declaring that “partisan politics have no place in this patriotic question.”

He also noted that in certain cities, illegal immigrants were being favored by local policy:

eighty percent of the city’s population was “foreign-stock” and that the vote displayed “the effect of the foreign born in the United States in attempting to dictate to Congress what laws should [be made].”

Representative Box was on point when he argued this isn't discrimination, instead that:

“America has the gift of citizenship, home and opportunity to bestow as she chooses upon the worthy alien people who she many select, no Government and no group … has the right to question the exercise of America’s discretion in making such a choice.”

He also pointed out of that many of these illegal immigrant groups are basically making the equivalent of a threat that:

“we already have admitted among us large, dangerous elements, and that we must admit more of them to keep them in a good and orderly humor.”

While Republican Bill Vaile has knocked down all the hooey about how important immigrants are to America:

“it seems rather illogical … to claim that those who have been for the shortest time in the process of assimilation and in the work of the Republic should have even greater or even equal consideration because of this very newness.” And that it was “a fact, not merely an argument, that this country was created, kept united and developed … almost entirely by people who came here from the countries of Northern and Western Europe.”

But it's Democrat Stengle of New York who might best sum up the importance of borders, language, culture:

“many of the inhabitants of these cities appear to be tied up to foreign countries by their sympathies, customs, interests, and aspirations, and apparently but little interested in the future welfare of their adopted country.” 

[Trurl]

It's time to take Trump's immigration policies further and also ban the Germans, Italians and Irish.

[benjipwns]

It's time to take Trump's immigration policies further and also ban the Germans, Italians and Irish.

if American troops had fought to keep the enemy out, surely we can vote for a law that will keep out the dangerous and deadly enemies of the country

[Assimilate]

You were bitching that people in this thread might complain if the President launched a military invasion of Venezeula to overthrow the Chavistas. Much like with Saddam Hussein, Hudson Austin or Slobodan Milosevic there's no love lost for these scumbags, but that doesn't mean the President can violate the law and use American military force to topple governments as he sees fit.

No matter how many of his predecessors have done so.

I'd much like to see the Chavistas driven from power. But I'd much more like to see our President re-restrained from using military forces as simply another option within his purview of the free hand conduct of foreign policy so blatantly.

But the President should allow anyone that wants to flee into the country to do so? Make sense bro. The country has laws on illegal immigration, every nation in the world has borders and laws prohibiting anyone from coming in but apparently you don't care about those, don't see the use in it, etc, but toppling a horrible regime is "against the law". Ok dude 

It's time to take Trump's immigration policies further and also ban the Germans, Italians and Irish.

You do realize becoming a citizen even from Canada is still a lengthy process right? You still have to do it legally, and in most instances in the way of Marriage or Job sponsorship.

You guys are fucking idiots lol

[benjipwns]

There were no immigration laws during the lifetime of Thomas Paine, author of Common Sense. 

and look where he wound up, in a French prison to be executed!

[benjipwns]

But the President should allow anyone that wants to flee into the country to do so? Make sense bro. The country has laws on illegal immigration, every nation in the world has borders and laws prohibiting anyone from coming in but apparently you don't care about those, don't see the use in it, etc, but toppling a horrible regime is "against the law". Ok dude 

The law invests Congress and only Congress with the power to declare war.

The law does not invest anyone with the authority to restrict or regulate immigration. Especially not the President, even if we are to broadly read the former into one of the other powers granted Congress, he is merely enforcing their laws. He doesn't have authority to "allow" or "not allow" by personal diktat beyond that which Congress delegates him.

The United States had no laws prohibiting anyone* from immigrating into the country until the 20th Century. "Illegal immigration" is still not a crime in the United States, it's a civil offense.

*Interestingly though, certain states did have laws prohibiting free blacks from entering them.

You do realize becoming a citizen even from Canada is still a lengthy process right? You still have to do it legally, and in most instances in the way of Marriage or Job sponsorship.

You guys are fucking idiots lol

Immigrating to become a resident and become a citizen are two entirely separate things, why are you randomly conflating them?

[Assimilate]

But the President should allow anyone that wants to flee into the country to do so? Make sense bro. The country has laws on illegal immigration, every nation in the world has borders and laws prohibiting anyone from coming in but apparently you don't care about those, don't see the use in it, etc, but toppling a horrible regime is "against the law". Ok dude 

The law invests Congress and only Congress with the power to declare war.

The law does not invest anyone with the authority to restrict or regulate immigration. Especially not the President, even if we are to broadly read the former into one of the other powers granted Congress, he is merely enforcing their laws. He doesn't have authority to "allow" or "not allow" by personal diktat beyond that which Congress delegates him.

The United States had no laws prohibiting anyone* from immigrating into the country until the 20th Century. "Illegal immigration" is still not a crime in the United States, it's a civil offense.

*Interestingly though, certain states did have laws prohibiting free blacks from entering them.

Benji this isn't a high school Gov class 

go apply to be a substitute teacher or something broooooooo

Filler make him stop

[Boredfrom]

“Give me a like, filler”

[benjipwns]

It's entirely within your own power to stop thumping your chest about how you're a thrice-failed remedial student.

[Great Rumbler]

It would be hilarious if we could take away filler's ability to dispense Like's. Demi, is this something that we can do?

[Mandark]

smh getting posterized by a libertarian

shameful

[Assimilate]

It would be hilarious if we could take away filler's ability to dispense Like's. Demi, is this something that we can do?

Are you purposely trying to crash the bore for good?

[benjipwns]

weaponized likes

[Assimilate]

It's in my rights to get likes.

Opti, look at them trying to silence filler now.

[Boredfrom]

Are you serious?

[Tasty]

Assy & Opti

[Tasty]

weaponized likes

A weapon to
surpass Metal Gear?!

[benjipwns]

Sean Spicer's Common Ground 

I think we can do better than that.

- The Spice Rack
- Spicey's Hot Takes
- Hold the Spice
- Extra Spicey
- Sugar and Spice (Co-starring Sugar Ray Leonard)
- Cooking with Spice (this one's just a cooking show)

Between Two Ferns Bushes With Sean Spicer

[Coitus]

But the President should allow anyone that wants to flee into the country to do so? Make sense bro. The country has laws on illegal immigration, every nation in the world has borders and laws prohibiting anyone from coming in but apparently you don't care about those, don't see the use in it, etc, but toppling a horrible regime is "against the law". Ok dude 

The law invests Congress and only Congress with the power to declare war.

The law does not invest anyone with the authority to restrict or regulate immigration. Especially not the President, even if we are to broadly read the former into one of the other powers granted Congress, he is merely enforcing their laws. He doesn't have authority to "allow" or "not allow" by personal diktat beyond that which Congress delegates him.

The United States had no laws prohibiting anyone* from immigrating into the country until the 20th Century. "Illegal immigration" is still not a crime in the United States, it's a civil offense.

*Interestingly though, certain states did have laws prohibiting free blacks from entering them.

You do realize becoming a citizen even from Canada is still a lengthy process right? You still have to do it legally, and in most instances in the way of Marriage or Job sponsorship.

You guys are fucking idiots lol

Immigrating to become a resident and become a citizen are two entirely separate things, why are you randomly conflating them?

Entering at a point not designated as a point of entry is a misdemeanor. Like bringing in a non-native plant.  Hard-working American plants are entitled to strong borders.

[benjipwns]

Latinos are the kudzu of ethnicities.

[Mandark]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is gonna her primary against Joe Crowley.

[benjipwns]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is gonna her primary against Joe Crowley.

she the whole primary

[benjipwns]

mandark finally annihilated

free at last! free at last! thank etoliate almighty we are free at last!

[Mandark]

You either die in the digital realm a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the noob.

[agrajag]

You either die in the digital realm a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the noob.

You either cam into a realm that reflected me and run or come straight at the horsefuckers. That is not a bubble.

[benjipwns]

drew beat you the punch with a weaponized your mom joke long ago. We treat it like Hiroshima.

so you're saying that his toxic, vile, cowardly nature was the resulting side effect of many years after nuclear fallout

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/katie_honan/status/1011795518106800128

[benjipwns]

We're saved!

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/06/26/bloomberg-considering-2020-presidential-run/

Michael Bloomberg is revving up to run for president in 2020, making him both the oldest and richest person to seek the job.

Bloomberg considered running in 2016 as an Independent, but sources tell CBS2’s Political Reporter Marcia Kramer that if he runs in 2020, he would run as a Democrat.

A source close to the former three-term mayor says the move is fueled in part by regret that he didn’t stay in the race in 2016, because he feels he could have either won outright or prevented Donald Trump from winning.

Political consultants point out Bloomberg is making a number of key moves, including spending $80 million to help Democrats win Congressional races and collecting a lot of political IOUs in the process.

[Mandark]

A source close to the former three-term mayor says the move is fueled in part by regret that he didn’t stay in the race in 2016, because he feels he could have either won outright or prevented Donald Trump from winning.

If Bloomberg thinks he would have siphoned more votes off of Trump than Hillary...

[benjipwns]

Both rich New Yorkers, they're practically clones!

[kingv]

But the President should allow anyone that wants to flee into the country to do so? Make sense bro. The country has laws on illegal immigration, every nation in the world has borders and laws prohibiting anyone from coming in but apparently you don't care about those, don't see the use in it, etc, but toppling a horrible regime is "against the law". Ok dude 

The law invests Congress and only Congress with the power to declare war.

The law does not invest anyone with the authority to restrict or regulate immigration. Especially not the President, even if we are to broadly read the former into one of the other powers granted Congress, he is merely enforcing their laws. He doesn't have authority to "allow" or "not allow" by personal diktat beyond that which Congress delegates him.

The United States had no laws prohibiting anyone* from immigrating into the country until the 20th Century. "Illegal immigration" is still not a crime in the United States, it's a civil offense.

*Interestingly though, certain states did have laws prohibiting free blacks from entering them.

You do realize becoming a citizen even from Canada is still a lengthy process right? You still have to do it legally, and in most instances in the way of Marriage or Job sponsorship.

You guys are fucking idiots lol

Immigrating to become a resident and become a citizen are two entirely separate things, why are you randomly conflating them?

So where does the power for trump to institute a travel ban even come from? A law where congress stupidlyngave the President unilateral power?

[benjipwns]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182#

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

Roberts essentially said that because Congress has in the past written lots of legislation related to immigration, this is totes fine, must defer to legislature, et al.

[benjipwns]

Also Breyer continues to be my favorite secretly crappy justice nobody ever talks about:

In a second, milder dissent, Justice Stephen G. Breyer, joined by Justice Elena Kagan, questioned whether the Trump administration could be trusted to enforce what he called “the proclamation’s elaborate system of exemptions and waivers.”

"If this Court must decide the question without this further litigation," Breyer wrote, "I would, on balance, find the evidence of antireligious bias."

everything here is cool, just dunno about Trump doing it so I would have sent it back to the lower courts for a while, hope that helps!

Kennedy's concurrence says everything here is cool, but boy I hope it doesn't violate the First Amendment, someone should watch for that.

Thomas's concurrence suggests his often "ya know, Congress might have fucked up here, but look at it you doofuses it's pretty plain what it says" stance when he's trying to hide behind precedent.

[benjipwns]

Sotomayor obviously dissents because of her "wise Latina" bias.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I wonder if she set the new record for Supreme Court opinion references to someone "tweeting" and "retweeting" in a case not involving Twitter.

[close]

[benjipwns]

"The Executive Branch is presumptively dishonest, and its stated reasons for anything are always to be assumed pretextual until proven otherwise."

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1011675772568965122

Konrad Adenauer, Joseph Bech, Johan Willem Beyen, Winston Churchill, Alcide de Gasperi, Walter Hallstein, Sicco Mansholt, Jean Monnet, Robert Schuman, Paul-Henri Spaak, Altiero Spinelli, Donald Trump.

[benjipwns]

We're saved!

https://www.gq.com/story/jimmy-carter-for-higher-office

SENATOR Romney 

We're saved!

[benjipwns]

peanut

Great Moments in Fox News History:

[benjipwns]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/26/angela_rye_maxine_waters_criticism_has_everything_to_do_with_an_intimidating_black_woman_telling_the_truth.html

this segment

RCP link because i can't find it on YouTube

5:30+ is where it really starts popping off

[benjipwns]

Analysis: Crowley's loss leaves gaping void for next generation of Democratic leaders

i suppose that's one takeaway

[benjipwns]

someone named Joseph Lieberman won the Conservative nomination in NY US District 7, I can't confirm it's not THE Joseph Lieberman as searching for anyone who's not THAT Joseph Lieberman is seemingly impossible

Piute County in Utah voted against Mitt Romney, he won 89% of the Presidential vote there in 2012, it's not even the challengers House district or anything, it doesn't seem to be one of those locations of mormon cults either (more on this soon?)

[Optimus]

Analysis: Crowley's loss leaves gaping void for next generation of Democratic leaders

i suppose that's one takeaway

The neoliberal shitrag is starting to sweat. Glorious.

[Optimus]

Checked the page, liberals getting triggered by likes now and their censorship queen Rumbler is gonna do something about it! It's just for the lols guys, it's not like he's butthurt about it like he was butthurt about various posters he has banned!


...this is just pathetic

[Great Rumbler]

oh man how am i ever gonna come back from this E P I C R O A S T

[Assimilate]

Checked the page, liberals getting triggered by likes now and their censorship queen Rumbler is gonna do something about it! It's just for the lols guys, it's not like he's butthurt about it like he was butthurt about various posters he has banned!


...this is just pathetic

Yeah this place is getting bad. 

[Great Rumbler]

Checked the page, liberals getting triggered by likes now and their censorship queen Rumbler is gonna do something about it! It's just for the lols guys, it's not like he's butthurt about it like he was butthurt about various posters he has banned!


...this is just pathetic

Yeah this place is getting bad. 

yeah it's terrible you and optimus and filler should probably leave and find a better forum that appreciates your contributions

[Assimilate]

Checked the page, liberals getting triggered by likes now and their censorship queen Rumbler is gonna do something about it! It's just for the lols guys, it's not like he's butthurt about it like he was butthurt about various posters he has banned!


...this is just pathetic

Yeah this place is getting bad. 

yeah it's terrible you and optimus and filler should probably leave and find a better forum that appreciates your contributions

Every time you oppress someone on the bore a child gets separated from their parents at the border. Don't you have a heart dog?

 

[benjipwns]

it's kinda adorable how they think filler actually gives a shit about them and isn't just in it for the fuckery like a true proud glorious shitposter extraordinaire

i trust that he's too principled to hand out pity likes, especially for those begging for them

his pamphlet on it really went into detail about the value of a like and its importance as a regulatory system to promote discussion

the way he tied the entire thing into Aquinas' theory of just war was a masterpiece of the genre

[Assimilate]

it's kinda adorable how they think filler actually gives a shit about them and isn't just in it for the fuckery like a true proud glorious shitposter extraordinaire

 

he cares.

[Optimus]

it's kinda adorable how they think filler actually gives a shit about them and isn't just in it for the fuckery like a true proud glorious shitposter extraordinaire

i trust that he's too principled to hand out pity likes, especially for those begging for them

his pamphlet on it really went into detail about the value of a like and its importance as a regulatory system to promote discussion

the way he tied the entire thing into Aquinas' theory of just war was a masterpiece of the genre

I don't give a flying fuck about likes, if I wanted to be liked I'd go to a forum not full of Clinton voters I have openly expressed my contempt for, I do care though about butthurt liberals that want to censor everything that triggers them.

filler upvotes drama and maybe posts he likes but I like his style regardless.

[Assimilate]

We're getting to a point with these libtards that they'll even try to sensor likes... isn't that fucking wild?

 

[Coitus]

college intellectual’s so 2003.

[Optimus]

college intellectual’s so 2003.

It's 2018 we should use the correct term, lib-capable.

[Optimus]

Is this a Great Rumbler reaction video to filler's likes?

[benjipwns]

[I don't give a flying fuck about] a forum ... I have openly expressed my contempt for, I do care though about butthurt liberals that want to censor

but...like...why?

[nachobro]

own the libs by making them hit the ignore button. that means you won because...triggered? i'm still not sure how this works

[Great Rumbler]

Optimus being perpetually triggered by libs on The Bore is the best, tbh.

It's the kind of entertainment that's good for the whole family, even benji.