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« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2017, 09:35:08 PM »
Nothing of value will come to adding to this shit-thread.
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« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2017, 09:48:34 PM »
You can't talk down to people when you're full of shit yourselves. The public figured that out abot the left, as well as much of the media, and that's what they need to address. For all of Hildog's faults, she could have won if the Dems acted as honorable and good as they think they are. Instead, they called a large part of the country deplorable, disgusting people while sucking banker dick, getting caught having the press do their bidding, and twice ruckfucked over while covering for Mister Dick Pix.

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« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2017, 09:52:05 PM »
Nothing of value will come to adding to this shit-thread.

Jesus, Brandknew is right.

Nevermind, himu. You're right and if we just punch some hippies once in a while to appease middle America, they'll vote for Democrats all of a sudden.

I know, why don't we throw black transgender people under the bus first? That's a particular convergence of demographics that the people you seem to be concerned about all of a sudden REALLY hate, so if we stop caring about them and show real merikans that we hate the weirdos too, they'll wake up and vote for Dems.
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« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2017, 10:08:59 PM »
there was no way to prevent her winning the nom.

I dunno about that. Surely someone (not Sanders) would've taken Sander's policies ran with them and Clinton's "I can take care of you" for gays and other minorities (without Clinton's baggage on that, see: Superpredators) AND not have the baggage of either (Communist/history respectively)?

There was no way of preventing her from being the nominee because her strength prior to the beginning of the primaries was unprecedented.

She entered 2015 polling at about 67% vs the hypothetical Democratic field. That's unheard of. Kerry entered 2003 polling below 30%. Clinton was below 40% in 2007. A very strong front-runner gets between 30-40% in pre-primary polls. 67% in pre-primary polls is such a dominant position that the primary itself is thought of as a formality, which it was. Incumbents might not poll that high some of the time.

Sanders deserves credit for getting from 10% to over 40%, but no one had a chance.

Sure a great candidate could have beaten her (see: 08). But there was no one like that this time.
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« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2017, 10:19:03 PM »
There’s an awful habit some people of making light of others for expressing emotions.  Not just on The Bore, but all over the internet.  It sucks.  There’s a lot of despair in the US right now and there totally should be.  The election was less than 2 months ago.  I understand why people are worried.  Trump’s presidency is going to be harmful for most us.  Where I disagree with the thread linked in the OP, and what I’ve seen through the lens of my own social media bubble is the suggestion that our situation is completely hopeless.  The far right is not “basically unstoppable”, but it’ll continue to gain momentum if you don’t vote, if you don’t demand more from your candidates, or if you don’t vote locally.

The sky isn’t falling.  Things can and will turn around eventually.  It doesn’t take an expert to see that Trump’s presidency will be marked by gross incompetence, deception, and bigotry.  He’s starting his term with the lowest approval rating of any incoming president in decades (by a pretty wide margin too).  I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a tough time getting re-elected in 2020.  Even if he does win again that’s still no reason to give up.

I’m personally very hopeful for the future.  We’ve literally had slave owners in the White House before.  The country’s least empowered kept pushing back and got us where we are today: a much more enlightened yet still cold and ugly society.  I like that people are acknowledging that racism played a role in Trump’s election.  Republicans have been courting the racist vote for a long ass time.  The Republican candidate can usually count on them the same way Democrats can expect to win the black vote.  Were Trump’s voters exclusively racist? Heck no, but he heavily relied on racism to win.  Democrats can’t win with only the black vote, but they can usually expect it even if you’re Clinton and have made anti-black comments in the past. 

As a liberal the way to respond isn’t “Hey everyone I know on Facebook, please unfriend me if you voted Trump,” but instead make the effort to have those uncomfortable conversations with your friends and relatives.  Don’t wait until after the election to decide “Well, I’m not visiting my folks for Thanksgiving this year.”  What you should be doing is showing up to dinner prepared to discuss why communities of color and LGBT people are terrified.  Don’t do it just that one time of the year either.  It has to be an ongoing discussion.  They’ve had years for those views to ossify.  They aren’t going to do a 180 in one weekend.  For people of color, it is tiring and occasionally life threatening to be the one confronting racists about this stuff.  We need our white liberal friends to talk to their parents, grandparents, aunts, and uncles even more.  A lot of them are very poorly informed and sadly are more likely to believe racism exists when they hear white people complaining about it.  I don’t mean to suggest that we coddle racists, just that we can approach the problem from more than one angle.

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« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2017, 10:20:12 PM »
Nothing of value will come to adding to this shit-thread.

Jesus, Brandknew is right.

Nevermind, himu. You're right and if we just punch some hippies once in a while to appease middle America, they'll vote for Democrats all of a sudden.

Hillary lost due to blue wall states flipping. Appease middle America "all of a sudden?" Punching hippies? What are you talking about?

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I know, why don't we throw black transgender people under the bus first? That's a particular convergence of demographics that the people you seem to be concerned about all of a sudden REALLY hate, so if we stop caring about them and show real merikans that we hate the weirdos too, they'll wake up and vote for Dems.

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« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2017, 10:24:17 PM »
ITT we pretend that some kind of liberal smugness even comes close to the seething hatred for liberals that gets jammed into conservative brains every day by their media sources.

Do you guys read conservative media at all? If you think liberals are abrasive, boy do I have some reading recommendations for you.

I do agree that "basket of deplorables" probably hurt Clinton about as much as "47%" hurt Romney.

I think both are ridiculous and unfortunately it's very easy to get caught into either side. I'm not sure what conservative attitudes have to do with this topic besides more pointless deflection however.
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« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2017, 10:28:51 PM »
So many words in this thread that I will never read

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« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2017, 10:38:04 PM »
So many words in this thread that I will never read

Better that way
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« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2017, 10:42:57 PM »
So many words in this thread that I will never read

would you like to discuss music instead. I'm posting underrated deep cuts
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« Reply #70 on: January 03, 2017, 10:50:40 PM »
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We're at high tide panicking that the water will keep rising forever. These things have an ebb and flow. There will be pushback and things will change.
much deep so tide goes in wow :doge

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« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2017, 10:52:09 PM »
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The same way they smothered and combated us. By smothering the conversation and removing their ability to perpetuate talking points.

Freedom of speech is a privilege.
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Stronger forum vetting prior to being able to comment. Stronger forum monitoring for new users with a zero tolerance policy.

Monitoring behavior and posting frequencies to determine if things are consistently orchestrated to undermine a good thread or debate

An authoritative debate thread that doesnt accomodate perpetuating talking points. Using that data to build rules.

You can be anyone and create/bury any topic if you are clever or persistent enough.
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Scale that to any medium that creates content. Be it a forum user, or journalist.

The fairness doctrine is also a good concept as long as it is backed with honest integrity that has a genuine social obligation to everyone.

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« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2017, 10:57:55 PM »
Bunch of figgurts around here. Do I go into your shitty threads and post lol, didn't read gifs?

This is actually a pretty important discussion to have.

It encapsulates the mindset I was talking about. Granted, I haven't done a good job by going "fucking liberals" but still. AIA is right.
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« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2017, 11:11:39 PM »
So himu hits full on t_d poster level by what, March at the latest?

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« Reply #75 on: January 03, 2017, 11:14:42 PM »
Bunch of figgurts around here. Do I go into your shitty threads and post lol, didn't read gifs?

This is actually a pretty important discussion to have.

It encapsulates the mindset I was talking about. Granted, I haven't done a good job by going "fucking liberals" but still. AIA is right.

AiA is right about pretty much only sports stuff, and not even always in that case.

I honestly have no idea what you're TRYING TO SAY with your walls of text.

That we shouldn't mention that everyone that voted for Trump is at least tacitly ok with a racist being President, if not just blatantly racist themselves? That it's ok for them to be racist if we're nicer to them they might vote for Dems? That Dems have done a shitty job trying to address the economic interests of the middle and lower middle class, especially whites in the rust belt, so it makes perfect sense to vote for someone that wants to cut taxes on rich people?

Seriously. THAFUQYOUTRYINTOSAY???
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« Reply #76 on: January 03, 2017, 11:14:45 PM »
So himu hits full on t_d poster level by what, March at the latest?

:lol

"You don't agree with us so must agree with...THEM!"

:lol

:rofl

:sabu

Liberal ideology really is looking weaker by the minute. Becoming an I is hilarious so far.
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« Reply #77 on: January 03, 2017, 11:15:52 PM »
Y'all just need to chill, even I special fellow out every once in awhile but everyone here is too reactionary and tapped in.

 AiA came in and got y'all mad even though you know his shtick and shooed him off even though he's a relatively good poster otherwise. Then came very strong reactionary posts. Then came more posts following up the reactionary posts and riding the wave so they can drop some real dumb stuff. Then came the essay fight that, looking through a couple sentences, seems really not well-thought-out.

 You just gotta tap out for a bit. For people who realize they're being reactionary and aggressive, how about you use that time to live in your headspace and know yourself as opposed to being extreme "liberal" or "anti-liberal" (or both) at a seconds notice. I've been at fault here a little bit, but just constantly posting essays about it with little introspection and whatever just makes y'all look like fools.

AiA is easily ignored. Far more inexplicable imo is QoI's reaction to the election.
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« Reply #78 on: January 03, 2017, 11:19:12 PM »
Maybe I'm missing where AiA's position is beyond "grow some balls lefties" and posting a link to a GAF thread in which he denigrates the humble and upstanding posters within?

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« Reply #79 on: January 03, 2017, 11:19:48 PM »
Maybe I'm missing where AiA's position is beyond "grow some balls lefties" and posting a link to a GAF thread in which he denigrates the humble and upstanding posters within?

Exactly. He has nothing to say, but his position is clear.

Conversely, QoI has everything to say but her position is... Jesus. I don't even know.
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« Reply #80 on: January 03, 2017, 11:25:14 PM »
So many words in this thread that I will never read

would you like to discuss music instead. I'm posting underrated deep cuts


Nah, no music... what this thread needs is some good ol fashioned FF rankings.

5 > 4 > 7 > 9 > 6 etc.
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« Reply #81 on: January 03, 2017, 11:27:16 PM »
back to back posts in that thread:
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I assume you're referring to WWII? I don't know, though, who would actually be there to fight the rise? I mean, really, who major is left that's not caught up completely in this right wing rise? The US has fallen, the UK, Russia, a large part of Europe also has it on the rise like Poland, France and German (the latter two at this point I realize haven't fallen as of yet, but God, would anyone be surprised at this point?). Most of the major powers have either fallen to it or are in the process of fending it off. I mean, maybe the EU can hold together...? I really don't know how another major war would play out.

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I think the problem you describe in the OP happens when we try to play the game that the far right plays. When we try to use buzz word talking points to go after 'enemies' - we just can't do it anywhere near as good as the right.

We shouldn't play the game like them. I think, like someone else mentioned, this is just a part of the ebb and flow, and this is an opportunity to take a look at what we've been doing as a socio-political group and think about what our strengths are and how we can convey our ideas through those strengths.

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« Reply #82 on: January 03, 2017, 11:32:16 PM »
Reading this thread
(Image removed from quote.)

 Not even once.

ofc ::)

Stay ignant pussy liberals, lemme get some of that well thought out ish..


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« Reply #83 on: January 03, 2017, 11:36:00 PM »
Many of you acting exactly like what AiA and Himu are talking about. Maybe you should try reading.

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« Reply #84 on: January 03, 2017, 11:51:43 PM »
This is literally everything AiA said in this thread:
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Good Christ I hope nobody in that thread ever obtains a leadership position. You're your own problem.
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Utter and complete weakness.

"How can a cry and have everybody see me?"

Grow some balls, lefties. You needed to hear that.

Have a super day.

This was Himu's first extended post:
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After losing an election for multiple reasons liberals have retreated and started to become absolutely puerile in their philosophy. I realized after the election that it showed how weak and infallible the state is if someone like Trump can be elected. Liberals refuse to take any part in accepting that our method of communication, talking down to people, arrogantly kicking people we don't agree with off our social media, blaming each and every thing except Clinton and her campaign for why the democrats lost the election. When I felt after the election I needed to buy a gun for self defense purposes similar "allies" attempted to throw me under the bus and classify me as stupid and anti-intellectual for wanting one.

With some self reflection after the election, the loss was deserved, the arrogance was real, and I've truly become to realize how weak neo liberalism truly is as a philosophy, that empathizes only with people they agree with, who so ostensibly think they have the answers for all people. We were temporary allies in the fight against Donald Trump but two weeks ago, because of what I saw in the minds and behavior of liberals I decided to end my relationship with the Democratic Party. Before the election I was more of a Marxist but more and more I am starting to relate to libertarian socialism of the Chomsky school, although I refuse to put all my eggs in one basket. Liberals are indeed ideologically weak but telling them to grow balls and stuff just doesn't make you look remotely good, especially since pointing fingers and laughing is what liberals do and you should be above it. Rather than descend into their tactics, rise above it, and fight it with argumentation.

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« Reply #85 on: January 03, 2017, 11:51:46 PM »
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blaming each and every thing except Clinton and her campaign for why the democrats lost the election.

No one does this. She ran a poor campaign. She also got railroaded with the help of a complicit media, and completely fucked over twice by an FBI Director who abused his authority in July, and violated the Hatch Act in October. All of these things can be true.

Your statement here sounds like one of those fucktarded redditors that wants all Clinton supporters to apologize to them for not voting Bernie in the primary.

A lot of people blame everything but how Clinton ran her campaign sadly.

"Should've picked Bernie!"

"Half the country is racist!"

Etc etc
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« Reply #86 on: January 03, 2017, 11:53:08 PM »
Soundgarden :trash

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« Reply #87 on: January 04, 2017, 12:01:00 AM »
It's worth noting that in our system the major parties are not primarily ideological but oppositional.

The Democratic Party is battered pretty badly, but this says nothing about liberalism however you want to define liberalism. It says nothing about the left, socialism, conservatism, Tory Democracy, etc. A lot of support the Democratic Party receives is because they're not the Republican Party.

Especially in an election where the victor, the standard bearer for the winning coalition, is an ideological hobgoblin like Donald Trump.

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« Reply #88 on: January 04, 2017, 12:11:27 AM »
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blaming each and every thing except Clinton and her campaign for why the democrats lost the election.

No one does this. She ran a poor campaign. She also got railroaded with the help of a complicit media, and completely fucked over twice by an FBI Director who abused his authority in July, and violated the Hatch Act in October. All of these things can be true.

Your statement here sounds like one of those fucktarded redditors that wants all Clinton supporters to apologize to them for not voting Bernie in the primary.

A lot of people blame everything but how Clinton ran her campaign sadly.

"Should've picked Bernie!"

"Half the country is racist!"

Etc etc

And then other people wanna ignore that Comey torpedoed her and that all of the late breaking undecideds broke for Trump and GEE I WONDER WHY THIS COULD BE.
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« Reply #89 on: January 04, 2017, 12:16:20 AM »
It's worth noting that in our system the major parties are not primarily ideological but oppositional.

The Democratic Party is battered pretty badly, but this says nothing about liberalism however you want to define liberalism. It says nothing about the left, socialism, conservatism, Tory Democracy, etc. A lot of support the Democratic Party receives is because they're not the Republican Party.

Especially in an election where the victor, the standard bearer for the winning coalition, is an ideological hobgoblin like Donald Trump.

This is exactly what makes them weak: they have no ideology, just opposition. I'm sorry but that's not good enough. Not anymore. How can you really claim to be better when you can't even define what you believe in besides that it isn't what "those" people believe in? Your statement cuts into why I went independent and this is true for Republican's as well.
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« Reply #90 on: January 04, 2017, 12:21:13 AM »
The fact that the left has recently lacked actual liberal values is sort of the point.

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« Reply #91 on: January 04, 2017, 12:24:06 AM »
Mass politics isn't ideological. Especially in the United States at the Presidential level.

134.8 million people voted for the four largest parties at the top of the ticket, only one of them approaches anything resembling a truly ideological party. And that party nearly felt it was compromising too much with their candidates. And still got most of its largest vote share/count ever because of who their Presidential candidate wasn't more than it had support for its ideological stances.

The fact that the left has recently lacked actual liberal values is sort of the point.
This is more a matter of how we're defining "the left" and "liberal" than anything.

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« Reply #92 on: January 04, 2017, 12:43:11 AM »
Neither party is #5. Bush didn't exactly limit Gov and neither is preventing corp shenanigans with their Gov power.

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« Reply #93 on: January 04, 2017, 12:47:35 AM »
What's the ideological hook there though? And how does it apply to the rest of the platform?

Just take the first one, as you yourself noted, to quote Benjamin King, that's not a plan, that's a goal.

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« Reply #94 on: January 04, 2017, 12:54:26 AM »
Democrats preventing corporate shenanigans.

:beli

I'll give you they're consistent on taxes. I feel like that's the one thing they're consistent on.
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« Reply #95 on: January 04, 2017, 12:57:01 AM »
It's worth noting that in our system the major parties are not primarily ideological but oppositional.

The Democratic Party is battered pretty badly, but this says nothing about liberalism however you want to define liberalism. It says nothing about the left, socialism, conservatism, Tory Democracy, etc. A lot of support the Democratic Party receives is because they're not the Republican Party.

Especially in an election where the victor, the standard bearer for the winning coalition, is an ideological hobgoblin like Donald Trump.

This is exactly what makes them weak: they have no ideology, just opposition. I'm sorry but that's not good enough. Not anymore. How can you really claim to be better when you can't even define what you believe in besides that it isn't what "those" people believe in? Your statement cuts into why I went independent and this is true for Republican's as well.

WELL GEE IT SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED OUT OK FOR THE REPUBLICANS
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« Reply #96 on: January 04, 2017, 01:16:48 AM »
I'd argue the net neutrality regulations were a pretty big measure aimed at preventing corporate shenanigans. That's getting undone this year.

Also, even the watered down, shitty final versions of Dodd-Frank and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau were something, and they're also going to get taken behind the barn and ol' yellered.

BUT DEMS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MIDDLE AND WORKING CLASSES AND HAVE NO IDEAS TO HELP THEM, IT'S NO WONDER THEY LOST RACISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT
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« Reply #97 on: January 04, 2017, 01:18:34 AM »
I don't want to blame Hillary, Russia, or the FBI or anybody. Democrats have been too relaxed and let gerrymandering/voter suppression kill their votes while Republicans got a big black thorn up their no-college-or-job-having asses enough to vote for what will be the most disgusting president in a century.

That happened. Get over it. Now do something.

With just a bit of luck, he'll be a colossal failure of a president without breaking the law so it won't be Penceolicy getting passed until 2020. Our shit got fucked up so quickly get checked for STDs (unlike some people) and do some actual things about it.

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« Reply #98 on: January 04, 2017, 01:33:07 AM »
That happened. Get over it. Now do something.

With just a bit of luck, he'll be a colossal failure of a president without breaking the law so it won't be Penceolicy getting passed until 2020. Our shit got fucked up so quickly get checked for STDs (unlike some people) and do some actual things about it.
typical lieberal, telling everybody what to do

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« Reply #99 on: January 04, 2017, 01:44:28 AM »
I'd argue the net neutrality regulations were a pretty big measure aimed at preventing corporate shenanigans. That's getting undone this year.

And yet corporations funded 60 million towards the DNC?

The TPP being an actual line of support in the party platform?

The same party that house democrats supported a Wall Street deregulation bill in September 2014, and later opposed it when the same thing came up to vote lead by republican's?

Wouldn't be shocked if Democrats' stance on net neutrality is because it runs directly opposed to the republican stance. Which isn't a real stance and is just more political theater done to oppose the other party. If all you ever hope to do is oppose the other party, there's an opportunity to be highly wrong on an issue just because it runs oppositional down the party line.

Reading your post and then going back to this is highly puzzling.
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« Reply #100 on: January 04, 2017, 01:53:58 AM »
A good chunk of that $85 million they raised for the DNC came from the taxpayer and Comcast, the new owner of the building though.
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the Pennsylvania Department of Community and Economic Development gave $10 million.

The City of Philadelphia donated more than $8.6 million through a $43 million U.S. Department of Justice grant that helped cover security costs for the event, city spokeswoman Lauren Hitt told NewsWorks.

Comcast made the third biggest donation of more than $5.6 million, most of which consisted of in-kind contributions of services, staff and advertising as well as reconstruction on the Wells Fargo Center, which the company recently acquired. The corporation’s executive vice president, David Cohen, served as an adviser to the host committee. And Independence Blue Cross, of which host committee finance chairman Daniel Hilferty is president and CEO, gave more than $1.5 million.

Other donors include the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (which gave more than $2 million), PECO ($1.7 million) and Facebook ($1.4 million).

Former Gov. Ed Rendell told NewsWorks that this will be the first Democratic convention in 32 years to not leave a deficit. Rendell also told NewsWorks that the committee is not yet sure how much money is left over nor how the money will be used.

Plus, the committee is required to reimburse a $5 million loan from the Philadelphia Industrial Development Corporation by the end of the year, and Mayor Jim Kenney’s office told the publication that city taxpayers will be reimbursed for roughly $520,000.

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« Reply #101 on: January 04, 2017, 06:48:49 AM »
This thread should come with a trigger warning.
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« Reply #102 on: January 04, 2017, 04:37:36 PM »
Trigger warnings are on your team
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« Reply #103 on: January 05, 2017, 02:02:04 AM »
this thread pwns all the people who thought the Hope/Snow arc from FF13 was forced and contrived! Toriyama vindicated AGAIN! :smug
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