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SantaC

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Tales of Berseria to start the year with plenty of good jrpgs
« on: January 06, 2017, 02:24:24 PM »
Tales of Berseria is coming out in the US in about 3 weeks now. For PS4 and PC. (yay steam version with 4K mods)



It is suppose to be Tales back in form and not as crappy as Zesteria.


Himu

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2017, 02:25:24 PM »
Zestiria was shit
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SantaC

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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2017, 02:27:40 PM »
Zestiria was shit

no objections there. I still spent 100 hours on it, but the battle system was really bland and the customization was shit.

demi

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2017, 02:49:30 PM »
So why are you excited for Berseria?
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Bebpo

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2017, 02:52:53 PM »
Berseria is either the best Tales in a decade or terrible.  Depends on your tastes.  I really didn't like it until the end.  It's essentially FFXIII Tales.  Extremely linear with a stone cold unlikable lead Lightning 2.0 + super angst.  Some people really liked this because they have a fetish for shitty angsty leads in rpgs.  Ymmv.

Himu

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 03:00:21 PM »
Berseria is either the best Tales in a decade or terrible.  Depends on your tastes.  I really didn't like it until the end.  It's essentially FFXIII Tales.  Extremely linear with a stone cold unlikable lead Lightning 2.0 + super angst.  Some people really liked this because they have a fetish for shitty angsty leads in rpgs.  Ymmv.

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tales of vesperia port please
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Bebpo

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2017, 03:03:21 PM »
Also the reason I liked it in the last 20% is because like every tale with a shitty angst driven protagonist:

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They eventually get over their angst and then hey they're actually a decent likeable protaginist; too bad it took 40 hours to get there.  But hey character growth right :|
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demi

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2017, 03:05:15 PM »
Zestiria wasnt that bad. I think you guys put too much into this. It's fast food
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SantaC

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2017, 04:22:52 PM »
So why are you excited for Berseria?
import impressions are good.

SantaC

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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2017, 04:23:37 PM »
Berseria is either the best Tales in a decade or terrible.  Depends on your tastes.  I really didn't like it until the end.  It's essentially FFXIII Tales.  Extremely linear with a stone cold unlikable lead Lightning 2.0 + super angst.  Some people really liked this because they have a fetish for shitty angsty leads in rpgs.  Ymmv.

are there any open areas?

Bebpo

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2017, 04:48:42 PM »
Every linear area is a giant open area with nothing to do but take more time to run through.  It's just like Zesteria and Xillia.  Giant useless fields and shitty fast-travel.  I also think the combat is a step down from Graces/Zestiria, but it's still a good battle system and better than all the others.  It's kinda like a 3d Tales of Hearts battle system with less flash.

Also the game is FFX style where you can't backtrack or explore or go anywhere besides your next destination until the final dungeon.  Every other location is almost alway greyed out when traveling.

Bebpo

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2017, 04:55:42 PM »
It's actually kinda interesting playing FFXIV now which is an MMO and the genre originator of these giant open fields.  In FFXIV they actually fill the world with lots of little settlements and locations, you can auto-chocobo travel between settlements, and along the way there's hunting log enemies, places to fish/mine, on the map quest events (FATEs), usually a bunch of sidequests, and generally with fast travel you can get anywhere you want to be within a minute.

Meanwhile Berseria has bigger fields, with absolutely nothing to do in them besides fight junk mobs and the occasional chest (which is junk because like Zest it's all random stat equipment) and you often have to backtrack back and forth over them which takes like 3-5 minutes of running each time and even when you get quicker movement on the hoverboard it's still about half the speed of a chocobo mount in FFXIV.  Also Berseria has basically no sidequests until the endgame.  It's completely linear.

Basically it's interesting seeing how hard Tales keeps fucking up doing open fields.  FFXIV's fields aren't amazing or anything, but at least they aren't tedious boring junk; if Tales is going to keep doing giant open fields it'd be nice if they could at least copy some of the stuff that makes them decent.

Rahxephon91

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2017, 01:40:14 AM »
Berseria is either the best Tales in a decade or terrible.  Depends on your tastes.  I really didn't like it until the end.  It's essentially FFXIII Tales.  Extremely linear with a stone cold unlikable lead Lightning 2.0 + super angst.  Some people really liked this because they have a fetish for shitty angsty leads in rpgs.  Ymmv.
Hmm. I'm interested.

Either, once again I will buy a Tales a game. Hopefully, I actually like this one.

SantaC

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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2017, 10:31:06 AM »
It's actually kinda interesting playing FFXIV now which is an MMO and the genre originator of these giant open fields.  In FFXIV they actually fill the world with lots of little settlements and locations, you can auto-chocobo travel between settlements, and along the way there's hunting log enemies, places to fish/mine, on the map quest events (FATEs), usually a bunch of sidequests, and generally with fast travel you can get anywhere you want to be within a minute.

Meanwhile Berseria has bigger fields, with absolutely nothing to do in them besides fight junk mobs and the occasional chest (which is junk because like Zest it's all random stat equipment) and you often have to backtrack back and forth over them which takes like 3-5 minutes of running each time and even when you get quicker movement on the hoverboard it's still about half the speed of a chocobo mount in FFXIV.  Also Berseria has basically no sidequests until the endgame.  It's completely linear.

Basically it's interesting seeing how hard Tales keeps fucking up doing open fields.  FFXIV's fields aren't amazing or anything, but at least they aren't tedious boring junk; if Tales is going to keep doing giant open fields it'd be nice if they could at least copy some of the stuff that makes them decent.

Actually i dont believe you since so many had glowing import impressions of this game and that it is so much better then zesteria. So something is very off here.

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  Meanwhile Berseria has bigger fields, with absolutely nothing to do in them besides fight junk mobs and the occasional chest

So just like ff15
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bluemax

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2017, 02:04:21 AM »
Tales of and good JRPG never belong in the same sentence.
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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2017, 01:14:47 PM »
I'm interested but waiting for a price drop since who knows when I'd actually get around to playing it.
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SantaC

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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2017, 07:05:58 PM »
Berseria got 8.8 from IGN. Thats surprisingly high.

Rahxephon91

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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2017, 10:45:15 PM »
The game is decent so far. The characters are rather well.....not too stupid and obnoxious. Velvet has an actual engaging motive which is something I can't say about most jrpg protags.

I don't know, compared to Zesteria this has a rather quick begining that hasn't gotten bogged down with something boring.

It also actually has decently done cutscenes and the skits feel even better presented. Maybe Bepo was right about it being a bit higher budget. Even though the Tales engine looks super outdated. Still, 60FPS and clean image quality helps.

SantaC

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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2017, 09:22:02 PM »
Game is dark as shit and the first hour is more tense then entire of zesteria.

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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2017, 09:27:46 PM »
I definitely agree about it being better than Zesteria, story setup and characters so far are a definite step up.
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SantaC

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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2017, 09:48:03 PM »
I definitely agree about it being better than Zesteria, story setup and characters so far are a definite step up.

Also runs like smooth butter on pc and no loadtimes

SantaC

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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2017, 06:39:05 PM »
Berseria is really good. Is noone really playing this?

Freyj

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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2017, 07:23:13 PM »
I burned out on Tales a couple of games ago. I might try this from the bargain bin, but it would take a lot to make me interested again.

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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2017, 07:45:02 PM »
I wish they'd shake up the Tales formula a bit, because the gameplay loop is still virtually the same. But I'm still enjoying it well enough and I've already played it nearly as much as I did Zestiria.
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Rahxephon91

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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2017, 09:51:56 PM »
Yeah, I really wish Tales would spice up the art direction and setting. They all blend together at this point. It was why Xillia 2 interested me with it's more modern looking world, that then decided to re-use most of Xillia 1's assets.

I know Tales is cookie cutter jrpg and they don't actually seem to want to move away from that, but it has gotten stale and very generic. Tale's worlds are never really memorable and since they've decided to go full 3d camera on us the world design has gotten even more bland.

I wish they really would take a steep back and really mix up this series.

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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2017, 12:09:53 AM »
Zestiria looked like a PS3 game with nicer characters but the clash of cel shaded characters and regular 3d world was ugh. That and the equipment system seemed so over designed and pointless, I got bored after maybe 5 hours?

Tales games are all so bland. I beat Symphonia and Vesperia and dropped 40 hours into Abyss and I can barely remember any part of them. Not too mention you could swap characters between each game and none of them would feel out of place because they're all generic animu.
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Rahxephon91

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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2017, 12:41:04 AM »
Zestiria is a PS3 game. So is Beseria, but this time the PS4 version wasn't just a International thing.

Beseria looks better, but is still  dated looking. I'm not sure why they never went back to Vesperia's cell shading and instead keep this strange grey area thing they have going on. I mean the character models look good, but the world is just so basic looking and just boringly designed. It just feels and honestly looks like PS2 level geometry. Not to mention it still feels very copy and pasted.

Still, on PS4 it has great and clean image quality and in general it's far more colorful than Zesteria. 60FPS also helps smooth over many things. It does feel like it has better production values though. It has actual well directed  and animated cutscenes, the skits are better presented, in-game transitions are well done, and it graphically looks decent.

But if Atlus can manage UE4 for SMT, I'm not sure why Namco can't for Tales.

SantaC

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« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2017, 02:23:26 PM »
Zestiria is a PS3 game. So is Beseria, but this time the PS4 version wasn't just a International thing.

Beseria looks better, but is still  dated looking. I'm not sure why they never went back to Vesperia's cell shading and instead keep this strange grey area thing they have going on. I mean the character models look good, but the world is just so basic looking and just boringly designed. It just feels and honestly looks like PS2 level geometry. Not to mention it still feels very copy and pasted.

Still, on PS4 it has great and clean image quality and in general it's far more colorful than Zesteria. 60FPS also helps smooth over many things. It does feel like it has better production values though. It has actual well directed  and animated cutscenes, the skits are better presented, in-game transitions are well done, and it graphically looks decent.

But if Atlus can manage UE4 for SMT, I'm not sure why Namco can't for Tales.
next game will use a new engine. Will be unveiled at Tales festival.

Rahxephon91

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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2017, 03:18:22 PM »
Zestiria is a PS3 game. So is Beseria, but this time the PS4 version wasn't just a International thing.

Beseria looks better, but is still  dated looking. I'm not sure why they never went back to Vesperia's cell shading and instead keep this strange grey area thing they have going on. I mean the character models look good, but the world is just so basic looking and just boringly designed. It just feels and honestly looks like PS2 level geometry. Not to mention it still feels very copy and pasted.

Still, on PS4 it has great and clean image quality and in general it's far more colorful than Zesteria. 60FPS also helps smooth over many things. It does feel like it has better production values though. It has actual well directed  and animated cutscenes, the skits are better presented, in-game transitions are well done, and it graphically looks decent.

But if Atlus can manage UE4 for SMT, I'm not sure why Namco can't for Tales.
next game will use a new engine. Will be unveiled at Tales festival.
Well I mean will it be a Infinity Ward CoD: Ghosts type deal where the new engine is just a heavily modified version of the older engine. They have such a quick turn around I'm not sure they have time to really develop a brand new engine.

SantaC

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« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2017, 07:12:49 AM »
Story definitely is better then FFXV atleast.

SantaC

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« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2017, 06:06:39 PM »
Battle system is also ultra smooth. Loving the flow of it!


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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2017, 01:17:44 PM »
The mystic artes are pretty sick. I love Velvet's VA.

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SantaC

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« Reply #32 on: February 10, 2017, 06:29:51 PM »
Yeah the game as a whole is very enjoyable. Battle system and story is much improved from Zesteria.

SantaC

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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2017, 05:06:02 PM »
Made a quick video of me playing the battle system. So satisfying  :rejoice