Logan (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[Bebpo]

Yeah I'm making a separate thread because I'm so disappointed in this movie.  I normally don't let myself get excited about movies/games beforehand, but a gritty R-rated Fox hands-off Wolverine film, a fantastic moving trailer, excellent posters, Patrick Stewart talking about how it was so good he'll never play Professor X again because he can't top it, the premise of a post-apocalyptic father/daughter-ish + Captain Picard Professor X road trip; all the pieces were there to be a really great film about my favorite character in comics.

It was an ok movie.  Objectively about as good as the 2nd Wolverine movie or something.  To its credit there were some great performances and some nice shots. 

But the script sucked and it was not the movie I wanted at all.  I hate Mark Millar, but some people do a good job taking his basic ideas and turning them into totally different great films like Kingsman, Kick-Ass or even Civil War.  Like most Mark Millar stuff I hated Old Man Logan, so was hoping that like Kick-ass, Kingsman, etc...that they just took the general premise and made a different and much better story out of it.

Even though it's a different story, unlike those other Millar movies, they kept all the wrong things from Old Man Logan.  The movie has no heart.  It's bleak, feel bad, mean-spirited and almost completely soulless (a Mark Millar trait).  When characters died a long the way I couldn't care at all because the movie was just so negative and bleak there was never any emotional investment at all. 

Plus dumb shit like:

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X-24, come the fuck on.  Movie didn't need an even shittier Dakon and an X-23.

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I was hoping that this was going to be the ultimate Wolverine send-off movie.  Wolverine movie #2 was an improvement (obviously) over the first and it felt on the right track to getting a truly great Wolverine film that captures one of the greatest comic book characters out there.  A character whose constantly funny, heroic, Canadian and fucks up people left and right.  No matter what in Wolverine comics, he's always the character you want to root for because he's the underdog with a lot of heart.  This movie has none of that.  It's lifeless.

If you want a good send-off for Wolverine's character, read Rick Rememder's Uncanny X-Force (2010-2012) & Jason Aaron's Wolverine and the X-men (2011-2013) which run parallel to each other and embody everything great about the character and give a great conclusion to his long character arc.

[Purrp Skirrp]

Colic book movies

[Rahxephon91]

I was with this until Wolverine and the X-Men was recommended. What a trash book.

[Huff]

lol reading comics

[Bebpo]

I was with this until Wolverine and the X-Men was recommended. What a trash book.

Some of it was kinda bad, but the ending is such a good conclusion it makes the entire run worth it. 

[Joe Molotov]

Best comic book movie since Dredd.

[Bebpo]

I basically checked out emotionally at the part where:

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They go visit the farm family & have dinner with them and Laura borrows the ipod and then the bad guys come and kill them all like you expect and ten minutes later when wolverine is listing all the people that have died he doesn't even mention them because who cares, there are no real characters in this movie.

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Or the dumbass shit like:

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Cyborg arm bad guy who never uses his arm and has no strategy against mutant kids and dies instantly once they fight back.  I mean the whole kids running from soldiers scene was really stupid considering they show five mins later that the kids can easily take all these humans.

The magic wolverine killing bullet and then evil terminator wolverine shows up!  What perfect timing.

Oh and immortal yet slowly dying Wolverine ok, time to die for real now because tree smack even though you got shot and smacked eight million times.

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I feel like the script was as bad as your average Fox comic movie and the only thing that set it apart was swearing & violence.  If they were trying to rise above a comic book movie then it's amateur hour regular movie at best.  John Wick 2 had better everything and it's not like JW2 was amazing.

The action scenes were dope, there were some really great scenes with Logan and Xavier, the girl was pretty good. But it felt like half the run time of the movie was dedicated to repeated shots of Logan coughing/drinking/staring. And at some point all the f bombs got ridiculous and gratuitous. Patrick Stewart dropping 5 fucks in one scene. Come on. Or the weird mood whiplashes when Xavier's condition was played for a joke or punchline.

Fucking hate the gringo from Narcos. Dude ruined every scene he was in. The movie easily could have cut 20-30 minutes and been a much better movie. Coming off of Apocalypse it was 5 stars, though.

Sure but Apocalypse was fucking smurf terrible.

[Trent Dole]

You were hype for an Xmen movie in 2017.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

yeah, its flawed. But I liked it all the same.

Patrick Stewart is an underrated user of profanity (and as Green Room taught us, ethnic slurs as well). And there's some actual psychological depth to the characters and the plot. I liked how...

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the villain and the kid are essentially neutral and evil redux of him, and how Logan comes to feel guilty and responsible for both. How Xavier's deterioration plays out. The near future world building. How the villain gets effing got mid evil speech.

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I suppose it was another draft away from smoothing out some of the issues, and its a bit too long and po-faced. But its also got some of the best action of any recent superhero film, a Neo-Western setting that I loved, and it tells a friggin contained story (huzzah!). Its a great conclusion to a series of films that I've only followed intermittedly and haven't even actually cared for all that much.

So, Beps, I love ya man, but I'm gonna have to disagree.

[Kara]

[VomKriege]

Oh it's based on Millar 
As you say, i often felt he's mean spirited and edgy for the sake of it ("Wanted" is kind of disgusting). Like a second rate, cynical, Garth Ennis.

[bork]

Haven't seen Logan yet, but neither of the previous two Wolverine movies were very good.   The best Wolverine-featured X-Men movies are still the first two films and Days Of Future Past.

[brawndolicious]

Well I liked it a lot. The violence and swearing didn't feel off at all since I wanted to see the bleak future that they promised.

[WanderingWind]

It was alright. It tried to have an emotional ending but fucked it up by having no real connective scenes between Logan and Laura. Chuck's ending was earned, because those two characters had scenes that didn't involve snarling at one another and shit. All the actors did great, the action scenes were one big apology for having like 3 Wolverine-featured movies where nobody bleeds, but the script was utter shit. C movie, through and through.

[benjipwns]

Mike calls him Picard almost right off the bat.

[bork]

Oh it's based on Millar 
As you say, i often felt he's mean spirited and edgy for the sake of it ("Wanted" is kind of disgusting). Like a second rate, cynical, Garth Ennis.

Is this really even based on the Old Man Logan story, though?  I read the movie plot and it sounds absolutely nothing like it.

[ToxicAdam]

Mike calls him Picard almost right off the bat.

That part where Mike remarks on Jay's 'perfectly coiffed beard and hair' killed me.

[WanderingWind]

Oh it's based on Millar 
As you say, i often felt he's mean spirited and edgy for the sake of it ("Wanted" is kind of disgusting). Like a second rate, cynical, Garth Ennis.

Is this really even based on the Old Man Logan story, though?  I read the movie plot and it sounds absolutely nothing like it.

Nope. Only commonality is Logan is old. The world is arguable in better shape for the common man in this flick. Sucks for muties.

[bork]

He doesn't even look as old as Old Man Logan. 

Imma LOL hard if they introduce X-23 as his replacement in the X-Men movies.  Wouldn't make a lick of sense since this one takes place in the future.

[chronovore]

He doesn't even look as old as Old Man Logan. 

Imma LOL hard if they introduce X-23 as his replacement in the X-Men movies.  Wouldn't make a lick of sense since this one takes place in the future.

TIME TRAVEL.

Shit, Cable's coming to the Deadpool sequel, isn't he? That's time-travel, right there.

[fistfulofmetal]

I thought it was pretty good. A super solid well made character movie.

But the script was a real bummer. Consistently throughout the movie the characters will express their emotions, or the environment will give context to the world--then a character will proceed to bluntly state exactly what the audience already knows.

In a better written movie the farmer character would not exposite the struggles of working up alongside the massive farming corporation. We've already intuited it through the visuals. In a better written movie Logan wouldn't have blurted out "Fucking auto-trucks" (paraphrased). We get that there's autotrucks by seeing them in the several establishing shots.

This movie exists in two forms, the first that's super well made. Has great shots and editing, great acting and pacing etc etc. Then every 10 minutes or so the script comes barging and makes me feel like it was written with the assumption that I'm an idiot. Each time is relatively small, but it happens so often and consistently throughout the movie.

[fistfulofmetal]

One thing I did like in the writing is the bullet. It's brought up early and is basically used to color Logan's current character. As the movie goes it's references once or twice until Logan has an actual moment with Laura where he has to directly confront why he keeps the bullet. Then it's used for it's exact purpose, but to kill X24. It's a good use of a throughline, especially since it was never really presented as "the thing the movie hinges" on.

[chronovore]

One thing I did like in the writing is the bullet. It's brought up early and is basically used to color Logan's current character. As the movie goes it's references once or twice until Logan has an actual moment with Laura where he has to directly confront why he keeps the bullet. Then it's used for it's exact purpose, but to kill X24. It's a good use of a throughline, especially since it was never really presented as "the thing the movie hinges" on.

You really have a history of just gleefully spoiling all kinds of shit, you fucking fuck.

[Bebpo]

One thing I did like in the writing is the bullet. It's brought up early and is basically used to color Logan's current character. As the movie goes it's references once or twice until Logan has an actual moment with Laura where he has to directly confront why he keeps the bullet. Then it's used for it's exact purpose, but to kill X24. It's a good use of a throughline, especially since it was never really presented as "the thing the movie hinges" on.

You really have a history of just gleefully spoiling all kinds of shit, you fucking fuck.

Fwiw, that's a really stupid plot point that's shoved in your face the whole film.  It's not going to ruin anything.

Oh it's based on Millar 
As you say, i often felt he's mean spirited and edgy for the sake of it ("Wanted" is kind of disgusting). Like a second rate, cynical, Garth Ennis.

Is this really even based on the Old Man Logan story, though?  I read the movie plot and it sounds absolutely nothing like it.

Nope. Only commonality is Logan is old. The world is arguable in better shape for the common man in this flick. Sucks for muties.

Well, you can tell they used Old Man Logan as a base since it's about old grumpy coughing Logan and buddy going on post-apocalyptic road trip through the desert.  But yeah the plot is different.  Still think the movie is too inspired by OML as the tone of both feel similar imo.

[chronovore]

Thanks for the consolation, Bebs.

Just found this article, thought I should share:
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/vfx/cg-actors-logan-never-knew-149013.html

[Rahxephon91]

I was with this until Wolverine and the X-Men was recommended. What a trash book.

Some of it was kinda bad, but the ending is such a good conclusion it makes the entire run worth it.

I was kind of joking even though I find WoTX to be pretty bad, but this kind of hits on what I think and my disagreement with you on the movie(at least some parts).

I just saw it and I do think it was a really good send up to the character and the actor.

See I don't like WoTX because it takes the character into a really different direction. One I don't agree with. Wolverine leading the X-men? Being the headmaster? Being super heroic? Constantly funny? That is'nt the character I see. Maybe it's the one in WoTX, but it's not the one I think chris claremont really wrote or even Grant Morrison(ok maybe sarcastic). To me Wolverine is the reluctant hero, a hard ass who wants to do the right thing, but will complain about while doing it, and even then. He's conflicted. He loves those he considers friends and is willing to sacrifice himself for it.

I really think you see that Wolvie here. Yes the movie is bleak and yes Wolvie is a huge ass, but yet look he's at the end of his rope. Still he takes care of an Xavier who has probably done something that really hurt Logan. He is extremely reluctant to get involved, but obviously the movie is about how deep down he is a good guy who just doesn't want to admit it. To me that really is the Wolverine character and the movie really did that justice. You say it has no soul, but I really feel that it captured the soul of Wolverine as a character. I think it has a lot of heart when it comes to X-23 and Wolerine, it's just not very touchy feely except at the end.

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But I do agree that X-24 was very dumb. Despite being in a world where people have powers it keeps it grounded. X-23 is not really a clone. We can make babies like her now. The Reaver's are not as crazy as they are in the comic. They only have really cyborg arms. Again not something impossible. This movie is set what 10 years in the future? I could believe in 10 years we'd have something close. I don't know a Full Wolverine clone really took me out of the movie. It's like with the 2nd Wolverine movie. Pretty good grounded and un-superheriosh movie, then Wolverine fights a Giant Robot. It was silly and felt like the demand of a Hollywood that thinks you have to fight something big in the 3rd act. It really brings that movie down. Logan seemed like it was going to avoid those pitfalls and it kind of does except it's like they thought Logan has to have something to fight. X-24 just takes me out of the movie. His appearance mid way though feels random and lame(yes I know theres some foreshadowing, but I did'nt expect something so out there) and then they predictably bring him out again. I also thought the death of the farming family was lame and super predictable to the point that it took me out as I waited for them to die. Which is funny because I felt when it seemed the trouble was just the bad farmers we were going to pass this w/o any big problems and then the movie disappointed me.

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Still it was good. The violence was jesus omg awesome. The acting was great(X-23 was really good). It's a really good movie, but I guess you're right it's on the level of The Wolverine, and it was kind of hyped up as being more. So when it seeps back into stereotypical movie it really hurts.

[Bebpo]

Yeah, we just have a disagreement as to the character.

For me, the perfect "ending" for Wolverine as a character is him atoning for his lifetime of murdering and horrible shit he's done by being a "parent" and a "teacher" and running the Xavier school.  The way Wolverine and the X-men is set up with Quentin as the main trouble student and Wolverine not only gets him to graduation, but dozens of years later after everyone is dead and Wolverine is old and tired and the school is closing, Quentin comes back and gives him a new batch of students lighting him up again...that's how I want Wolverine to "go out".  Not in some blaze of glory, but in atonement, finding happiness in leaving his violence behind and raising students.  Like it's a really nice ending and to me that is the canon "end" for Wolverine's arc from his birth as James Howlett.

Wolverine is a character whose an ass, and kills people, but he does what he has to do that no one else will do.  That's the middle of his character growth arc imo.  I think once he's done that transitioning to a positive atonement role just makes a lot more sense and is much more satisfying.

The movie is even going for that with him taking that role for X-23.  It's just not really done well imo.

[bork]

Yeah, we just have a disagreement as to the character.

For me, the perfect "ending" for Wolverine as a character is him atoning for his lifetime of murdering and horrible shit he's done by being a "parent" and a "teacher" and running the Xavier school.  The way Wolverine and the X-men is set up with Quentin as the main trouble student and Wolverine not only gets him to graduation, but dozens of years later after everyone is dead and Wolverine is old and tired and the school is closing, Quentin comes back and gives him a new batch of students lighting him up again...that's how I want Wolverine to "go out".  Not in some blaze of glory, but in atonement, finding happiness in leaving his violence behind and raising students.  Like it's a really nice ending and to me that is the canon "end" for Wolverine's arc from his birth as James Howlett.

The problem is that just wasn't like Woverine at all, personality-wise.  Old Man Logan (the story from Secret Wars and then the current character, I.E. what started with the original Millar-written book but now has nothing to do with Millar at all) is a much better take on his twilight years.

Wolverine also already 'went out' during his death storyline, fighting against the Weapon X people who made him.  Worked for me.  If anything has been handled poorly since that, it's All-New Wolverine (X-23/Laura).  Don't like the way her book has gone at all.  I'm fine with her having a sidekick (her 'clone-sister') and even a little pet wolverine, because Logan ran around with Jubilee in tow during the early 90s, but the stories are just not that great. 

[thisismyusername]

Haven't seen Logan yet, but neither of the previous two Wolverine movies were very good.   The best Wolverine-featured X-Men movies are still the first two films and Days Of Future Past.

Excuse me? The Wolverine was average at best. You can throw X-men Origins: Wolverine into the however.

Anyway, I disagree Bebs. It did character action and parent/child dynamics pretty well. Yes, there's some dumb plot-points, but it's a comic film. You're not supposed to go into it and expect logical shit to happen all the time. I mean do you expect a foot blade to come out of someones foot in a battle in real life? 

[Joe Molotov]

While you were partying, I studied the foot blade.

[demi]

i thought this movie was really fucking good. the ending was nice.

[bork]

Haven't seen Logan yet, but neither of the previous two Wolverine movies were very good.   The best Wolverine-featured X-Men movies are still the first two films and Days Of Future Past.

Excuse me? The Wolverine was average at best. You can throw X-men Origins: Wolverine into the however.

You're reading me wrong.  I said the first two X-Men movies (not Wolverine movies) and DoFP were the best movies that the Wolverine character was in.

[Trent Dole]

Other half and I were both off today and she suggested seeing it so we did. This has a freakin 92 on Rotten Tomatoes, pretty high for a comic book film. Was decent but as others have already noted maybe a bit too long. 2:15?

[Momo]

movie was a 10/10 for me, my favorite comic book movie so far.

[Joe Molotov]

I thought it was fantastic as well.

[bork]

So the thread title should be "Logan :)" it seems.

[Trent Dole]

I vote 'Logan :3' for maximum

[Joe Molotov]

you'll have to settle for a  (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[Bebpo]

I'm ok with that.

Also, glad some of you enjoyed it. 

[Trent Dole]

you'll have to settle for a  (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Honestly, that's even better.

[Reb]

┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)  I liked it.

[thisismyusername]

┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)  I liked it.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ So did I.

[bork]

Finally saw this.  It was pretty good. 

[etiolate]

Finally saw it and it may be one of the best films of its year. Will have to see some others, but it's far more than popcorn fun.