Put Chrono Cross on Steam please

[demi]

No mention of the Zelda killer Musashi? Reminder that there was never a sequel

[Himu]

Musashi was great too

[Bulleta©™®]

I thought a 2nd one came out for PS2?

[Positive Touch]

Vagrant Story is the closest we will ever come to truly knowing God

I thought a 2nd one came out for PS2?

that never happened and is a dirty lie

[demi]

Next you'll say there was a sequel to Legend of Legaia and Alundra LOL

[Rufus]

If it were to exist, hypothetically speaking, how much worse than Legaia would Legaia 2 be?

[Bulleta©™®]

Alundra was so bad. I gave it to a friend.

[Bulleta©™®]

Yeah, RPG's became more popular in the PS1 era, yet that era had the WORST FUCKING RPG'S THERE HAVE BEEN.

Chrono Cross: shitty battle system, WORST BATTLE MUSIC THERE EVER WAS, don't get XP from regular fights only bosses wtf?, THE STORY MADE CT POINTLESS, one of the big bad guys was a fucking furry.  This game was shit and shat on CT. It deserves no love. Mitsuda can do some good music, but not fight songs. And when the fight song in an RPG is THIS FUCKING BAD, it's just a piece of shit. Worst fucking game song I've ever heard. Ever notice those guys up top didn't link it? BECAUSE ITS THAT FUCKING BAD.

Vagrant Story: pristine example of why Matsuno is a fucking hack.  Shit everything. YOU FUCKING LOST ATTACK POWER IF YOUR EQUIPMENT WASN'T LINED UP CORRECTLY. Fucking stupid. And the battle system was just 'time your attacks' bullshit. Goddamn stupid ass distinguished mentally-challenged "game". I  spent 2.5 hours driving to buy it (each way) and returned it the next fucking day. It was that goddamn stupid.

Xenogears: The antithesis of a good rpg. YOU TALK SO GODDAMN MUCH YOU GET SAVE POINTS BETWEEN TALKING POINTS. The battle system was lame MK3 shit. Dial-a-combo.  The mech fights were boring as shit.  The story was an Evangelion ripoff.  All the fucking characters looked the goddamn same. Shitty artist.

Saga Frontier: Shit sequel to 3 shitty SNES sequels. Romancing SaGa remake was a pile of ass. Only good SaGa games are the first 3.

Parasite Eve: I played this the most at E3 1998. Yet when it released I got bored of it within an hour. Shitty battle system. Sequel I guess was ass too.

The PS1 era of Square RPG's woke me up. I discovered they sometimes made shit. I didn't really like Secret of Mana but I didn't find it shit.  The trifecta of ass from Xenogears, Chrono Cross, and then Vagrant Story repelled me from rpg's for 10 years. And they're what I mostly play. Those 3 games are total shit. Nothing in any of them is redeemable in a gameplay standpoint.  They're mostly talking bullshit. Oh and fuck you KOR'CHA CHA CHA CHA asshole.

And this is why none of the PS1 era RPG's you want weren't remade. Because they were pieces of shit. And fuck you if you say otherwise. You're a goddamn poser.

Now I'm going to bed cause I'm pretty drunk.  But that's my true feelings about the "great PS1 RPG era" that fucking licked my taint. Sorry ass excuses for games.

[tiesto]

Queen, have you ever played the Baten Kaitos games? Chrono Cross was made with a bunch of people who would later move on to Monolith, and I think that BK/BK:Origins have a lot of elements that remind me of Cross, but more refined. Origins is one of the best Cube games.

I think Cross would have been better received if it didn't have the hefty weight of expectations of being a CT sequel. There were some great ideas, but frustrating areas (some boring dungeons and scenarios), and I wasn't too crazy about the not gaining EXP system or the too-large cast of goofy characters with little to distinguish from one another.

Also Buletta, go home you're drunk PS1 was the best for RPGs, imo. PS2 and DS are the most overrated platforms for the genre.

[Human Snorenado]

It's almost like everyone views the system they probably first really got into rpgs on as the best or something

In that spirit, I would just like to point out that the Genesis probably had the best hit/miss ratio

[a slime appears]

Most of the Square PS1 games were trash is probably why.

Can we please rename this thread to "Bulleta goes through a midlife crisis"

[Great Rumbler]

If we're talking about the system that I'd most rather replay RPGs from, for me it's the PS1. Probably a lot of that is due to nostalgia, I'm sure [first RPG I played was Dragon Warrior on the NES, but I missed out on the SNES era due to having a Genesis], but I regularly go back and play the Final Fantasies, Legend of Mana, Star Ocean 2, Saga Frontier 1, Xenogears, Chrono Cross, Breath of Fire 3 and 4, Grandia, Legend of Legaia, Valkryie Profile, Wild Arms, and whatever other ones I'm forgetting and still love playing them.

[Human Snorenado]

The only thing I'll really agree with Scarlet on is that Xenogears is trash and that if you like it you are bad and should feel bad

Bad, I say

[Great Rumbler]

[Himu]

It's almost like everyone views the system they probably first really got into rpgs on as the best or something

In that spirit, I would just like to point out that the Genesis probably had the best hit/miss ratio

Uhhh. No.

I got into RPGs with ps1 but ps2 easily has the best RPGs.

I replayed XG a few years back and still loved the shit out of it.

[Positive Touch]

Alundra was so bad. I gave it to a friend.

MODS HELP OH GOD HELP

[Human Snorenado]

It's almost like everyone views the system they probably first really got into rpgs on as the best or something

In that spirit, I would just like to point out that the Genesis probably had the best hit/miss ratio

Uhhh. No.

I got into RPGs with ps1 but ps2 easily has the best RPGs.

I replayed XG a few years back and still loved the shit out of it.

The veracity of the bolded statement is undermined by the opinion expressed in the underlined statement.

 

(From a sheer volume standpoint though, you may be right. I just don't think anything on the PS2 hits quite the same heights as the 16/32 bit eras. But then again- nostalgia, etc.)

[Positive Touch]

fwiw i also gave up on almost all rpgs after the ps1 era too up until fairly recently - but that was because i was so bored by every rpg that wasn't made by square that i played.

[Himu]

In terms of gameplay, ps2 has yet to be topped. Ps2 is the goat rpg system. Even then it gave two Classic Suikoden's.

Valkyrie Profile 2 has the best gameplay a jrpg ever had.

Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter

Final Fantasy XII

SUIKODEN III and V

SMT3/DDS/RAIDOU 2/P3/P4

DARK CLOUD 1 and 2

FFX-2 what can I do for youuuuuu

Ps2 even has remakes of classics from other systems like phantasy star II and dragon quest V.

GOAT SYSTEM. Nothing has ever topped it and nothing ever will. Ps2 era took a fucking dump on the story-based approach of the ps1 era (not that it's bad) and we got delicious gameplay out of it WHICH IS WHAT MATTERS MOST

[Himu]

TBH I'm right now with this gen where Scarlet was with ps1 RPGs.

I'm just sticking to classics and a couple of RPGs that catch my attention from now on. I have now ascended to the point where I'd rather play classics than have to play a new rpg. The fact that my autocorrect just changed rpg to dog was so, so apt.

MAKE VALKYRIE PROFILE 3 OR 2 HD. Fuck Stink Ocean. It has always been shit.

[Himu]

Sure.

None of those games you listed are particularly hard though, so its kind of a moot point anyway

It isn't a moot point because snes rpg stans say ps1 RPGs are so easy. Especially FF ones. The same people who stan FF6 are the same ppl who bitched about psx era FF being for babies when I can literally clear the majority of FF6 just spamming auto crossbow.

[Himu]

I'm just glad Grandia II is on steam(in before Bulleta yells at me for liking it).

I wouldn't worry about it. Scarlet had the tendency to only play FF and DQ back in the day because of what she wrote above. She was disappointed by so many RPGs in the ps1 era she decided to stick to what she liked. Literally. People would ask why she played the same games all the time. I highly doubt she has played Grandia II but I could be wrong. It took me years of effort to convince her to get into SMT because I knew for a fact that she'd like it. So I have doubts she'd give Grandia II a shot.

I'm where you used to be at Scar: classics only + FF/DQ.

[tiesto]

I think my issues with the PS2 era is it doubled the length while budgetary concerns first started creeping up, so you had the issue of filler and them dragging on. Even the legendary P3 and 4 suffered from terrible procedurally generated dungeons. Not to mention the voice acting, which was fairly painful. And FF first started taking a dive that gen (didn't care for FFX2 or 12). And some of the RPG subgenres were fairly weak - the action RPGs didn't compare favorably to the 16 and 32 bit eras, and the strategy RPGs were riddled with grindy NIS games

Oh don't get me wrong, there were still plenty of awesome games during that era:

DQ8, Skies of Arcadia, Baten Kaitos: Origins, Shadow Hearts 1 and 2, Tales of the Abyss, Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter, Suikoden 5, Suikoden Tactics, Valkyrie Pofile 2, Dark Cloud 2, and the SMT games finally getting their due in the US.

[Himu]

The random dungeons in persona games comes from the fact you climb a tower to make it similar to games such as Druaga...it wasn't because of budget concerns especially given SMT3/DDS/Raidou. It was a deliberate design decision and nod.

[Human Snorenado]

The PS2 era is problematic for me to rate because Dragon Quarter skews things, but it's such a departure from most of the rest of the era in just about every way that I'm almost fine giving it its own separate category.

Also, most of the titles for me fall into the "fine, but..." category, where I like some aspect of it (sphere grid and battle system in FFX, job/outfit system in FFX-2) but others I find- and this is totally personal preference, and subjective, and I'm willing to acknowledge it- so god awful that they actively detract from the overall exprience. (eg, story and characters in FFX, story and characters in FFX-2, collect em all BS in various Suikodens)

Wait... has Scarlet not played Dragon Quarter???

[Himu]

That's fair. I love FFX, and while FFX-2 has flaws I think there's enough to like other stuff. I'm usually never bothered enough by story to drop it if the gameplay is good and while FFX-2 for instance had some weird, wild stuff I also think it has a lot of great story stuff for fans of X.

I have always been addicted to the Suikoden formula but you certainly don't have to catch em all if you don't want to.

Another problem is that all the games you listed are story-based games. I truly think you would have came out liking the generation better if you played more gameplay focused titles like VP2, FFXII, both Dark Cloud's, and the SMT's. I seriously didn't give a shit about story at all by the end of the gen and only played Suikoden games for story. The great thing about the gen is that if you liked story you had options there too (Xenosaga, Shadow Hearts, Tales of the Abyss and Symphonia;etc) there was literally something for everyone that gen. I just gravitated towards the gameplay focused ones with a nice helping of Suikoden and DQ for my story needs.

[Himu]

You mispelled Stink Ocean.

[Rufus]

There's a reason they're named Tri-Ace.

[Himu]

Vallyrie profile 1 and 2 are godlike I won't let you besmirch their name because of Stink Ocean

[archnemesis]

I want to play Resonance of Fate, but that's because of a weird cut scene I saw on youtube once.

The combat is repetitive, but otherwise it is a pretty great game.

I could never get into Chrono Cross, but otherwise I like most of the popular PS1 RPGs.

[tiesto]

As long as we all agree that the Star Ocean series sucks I think we'll be fine.

Star Ocean 2 is better than like every game mentioned in this thread so far

[Great Rumbler]

Star Ocean [especially the PSP remake] and Star Ocean Second Story are both great games. I will absolutely stand by that.

5 is a garbage-tier game and feels bare, though. 4 is at least a complete game, just not a very good one. 3 is alright, though.

[Positive Touch]

playing star ocean is worse than dying from untreated septic shock. including star ocean 2.

[Great Rumbler]

FAKE NEWS

[mormapope]

Vagrant Story shits on everything from the ps1 and ps2 era of rpgs. Combat system built around experimentation, knowledge, and skill. Fantastic writing and not too much of it. Skippable cutscenes. Oppressive and dark atmosphere without trying too hard.

 

[Positive Touch]

you ever seen a random dog slowly bleed out on the side of the road? I guarantee you it's more enjoyable than your memories of star ocean.

[Himu]

My experience with SO3: meeting a cat girl and taking it out of my system.

[Positive Touch]

my experience with so2: whole team gets wiped by a boss except for one girl who can avoid all his attacks as long as she stays put and keeps doing the same move. however, she screams like a donkey every single time she does the move. the fight takes forty-five minutes.

[Great Rumbler]

you ever seen a random dog slowly bleed out on the side of the road? I guarantee you it's more enjoyable than your memories of star ocean.

Who's talking about old memories? I dropped 20 hours into Star Ocean 2 just this past year, breh.

my experience with so2: whole team gets wiped by a boss except for one girl

lmao git gud scrub

[Trent Dole]

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[Human Snorenado]

As long as we all agree that the Star Ocean series sucks I think we'll be fine.

Star Ocean 2 is better than like every game mentioned in this thread so far

HOW DO YOU WEEB SO WRONG???

[tiesto]

Vagrant Story shits on everything from the ps1 and ps2 era of rpgs. Combat system built around experimentation, knowledge, and skill. Fantastic writing and not too much of it. Skippable cutscenes. Oppressive and dark atmosphere without trying too hard.

Wasn't too enthused with Vagrant Story tbh. I mean it looks and sounds great, and has some cool ideas, but I'm past the point where I need to take a college course to learn about a weapon affinity system, and Matsuno political drama stories are

[mormapope]

For Vagrant Story, I guessed a monster's type, figure out if they're armored, craft weapons that fit different needs or types, adapt and use magic along the way.

The story is pretty straight forward too, compared to other games at the time. Its paced pretty well with gameplay.

[Positive Touch]

vagrant story makes you do shit beyond using weapons with various affinities and that seems to piss people off lol. you gotta use counters, break arts, item buffs, etc. cant just cheese your way thru the game.

[Bulleta©™®]

I have Grandia 2 for the Dreamcast. Bought it like 10 years ago. Started it up, then got distracted and forgot about it. Someday I'll play it.  Won't play Dragon Quarter. Got burned by BoF 1 and 2 and refuse to play any other games in the series. Dragona tried to get me to get Dragon Quarter but no.

Icy, you should try a fan hack of FF6 sometime called Brave New World. It rebalances a LOT in the game and it's a good deal harder. Not stupid hard like FFT 1.3, a good challenge. I played it co-op last year and it was a lot of fun. Stats other than magic affect a lot of abilities.

[Great Rumbler]

Dragon Quarter is drastically different from any of the previous games in the series, to the point where there was actually some backlash against it initially. And 3 and 4 are significantly better iterations of what 1 and 2 were doing.

[Rufus]

Dragon Quarter is SO different from the prior games it may as well be from a different series. But I'm sure you've heard that already.

edit: I really need to refresh tabs before I post...

[Himu]

I have Grandia 2 for the Dreamcast. Bought it like 10 years ago. Started it up, then got distracted and forgot about it. Someday I'll play it.  Won't play Dragon Quarter. Got burned by BoF 1 and 2 and refuse to play any other games in the series. Dragona tried to get me to get Dragon Quarter but no.

Icy, you should try a fan hack of FF6 sometime called Brave New World. It rebalances a LOT in the game and it's a good deal harder. Not stupid hard like FFT 1.3, a good challenge. I played it co-op last year and it was a lot of fun. Stats other than magic affect a lot of abilities.

Sounds like a blast. FFT is already challenging without cheesing it IMO. Never got the point of 1.3

[Bulleta©™®]

Some fights in that took me 6+ hours. The first part of the last boss took me about 10. Very last boss took about 30 mins.

[Himu]

Wait, what game

[Human Snorenado]

FFT 1.3 I'm guessing

[Bulleta©™®]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/47700919

[bluemax]

I have Grandia 2 for the Dreamcast. Bought it like 10 years ago. Started it up, then got distracted and forgot about it. Someday I'll play it.  Won't play Dragon Quarter. Got burned by BoF 1 and 2 and refuse to play any other games in the series. Dragona tried to get me to get Dragon Quarter but no.

Icy, you should try a fan hack of FF6 sometime called Brave New World. It rebalances a LOT in the game and it's a good deal harder. Not stupid hard like FFT 1.3, a good challenge. I played it co-op last year and it was a lot of fun. Stats other than magic affect a lot of abilities.

Brave New World is so bad. I get the appeal but ugh.

[recursivelyenumerable]

Star Ocean 4 has the best story and cut scenes in the series imo, the others are just tediously bad while 4's are entertainingly awful

[Bulleta©™®]

I have Grandia 2 for the Dreamcast. Bought it like 10 years ago. Started it up, then got distracted and forgot about it. Someday I'll play it.  Won't play Dragon Quarter. Got burned by BoF 1 and 2 and refuse to play any other games in the series. Dragona tried to get me to get Dragon Quarter but no.

Icy, you should try a fan hack of FF6 sometime called Brave New World. It rebalances a LOT in the game and it's a good deal harder. Not stupid hard like FFT 1.3, a good challenge. I played it co-op last year and it was a lot of fun. Stats other than magic affect a lot of abilities.

Brave New World is so bad. I get the appeal but ugh.

I thought it was fun in co-op.