Author Topic: Put Chrono Cross on Steam please (Read 14768 times)

Quote from: a slime appears on July 13, 2017, 08:45:28 AM
I never played it because of how much hate the game got. Still not fondly remembered either.

Hate's pretty undeserved, it's a good game.

I think the problem is that it's like they just slapped "Chrono" onto some random Square RPG to see if it would sell better. Doubt there would be much hate if the game had a different name.

bork · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2017, 10:05:51 AM »

And yes, I know there are some game play similarities and characters from Trigger. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

nachobro · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2017, 10:09:28 AM »

Quote from: a slime appears on July 13, 2017, 08:45:28 AM

I never played it because of how much hate the game got. Still not fondly remembered either.

STILL, I need to play it 'cause I love Trigger.

Same. I liked Trigger a lot but never played Cross cause of all the shit it got. Probably should get on that one day.

demi · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2017, 10:12:19 AM »

You mean Suikoden Trigger?

If the game didn't have a million characters to use it would be a way better game.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2017, 10:20:31 AM »

just checked and it's on psn for $10

it's not a terrible game by any means, just an overall alright game. which, as a sequel to trigger, isn't nearly enough. the biggest problem imo is that the scenario is trash. lots of boring forgettable events, plot holes, and convoluted ties to the original. the gameplay has a ton of great ideas but i don't feel like it's enough to carry the whole thing.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2017, 10:26:16 AM »

Chrono Cross also has a spectacular OST:

Himu · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2017, 11:36:32 AM »

I find Trigger a little simplistic these days. It's really boring. The encounter system is legitimately terrible and often reminds me Crisis Core's. Also terrible. It's an encounter system where many fights aren't even skippable. The battle system is shallow; also simplistic. Trigger feels like one of those "experience" RPGs to me now. Beyond the premise and nostalgia it isn't that interesting anymore, and most of the stories feel kind of a waste. It's interesting how very few of the stories are actually about changing time and the ramifications of it. The dungeons and their design are some of the worst in an rpg as well. Black Omen is legitimately terrible. The one thing is has over Cross are characters.

Cross is far more interesting. You have more branches in your story path. And those branches have more weight. In order to save the girl in this game for instance, you need to commit a mass extinction event, killing an entire forest just to save Kid for instance. And the game even makes this decision reasonably stupid to do because you barely know her. The stories are also better and more relatable. You would see characters and their counterparts in two alternative worlds. Philosophically, it makes the player want to question,"I wonder what I would be like in an alternate world". In Serge's case, he would be dead. Then there's the girl who left her dream on the table in Armi village home world, but in alternate world she hasn't given up and is really, really good. Serge takes some of her writing and shows the Home version her unlimited potential. Cross just simply has more things to say and does it with maturity.

The dungeons are far, far better and not butt like in Trigger. Encounter system isn't ass. The battle system is incredible and has some really tough fights. The difficulty spikes are some of the best in a psx rpg, that truly requires the player to experiment and master the game fundamentals and systems.

And did I mention the music? It's way, way better.

Trigger takes a great premise and kind of toys with it. Cross takes a premise and knocks it out the park. Radiata Historia is much better than Trigger.

Himu · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2017, 11:38:16 AM »

Anyways positive, I feel this way because I replayed cross a few years back on my PS3. I wasn't big on it back in the day, but as an adult, 15 years later, it was an incredible experience. I replayed Trigger on ds a few years before that and...well...I didn't enjoy it as much as I used to beyond the nostalgia.

Himu · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2017, 11:50:07 AM »

Give Cross a shot.

Himu · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2017, 12:28:03 PM »

God like.

Back in the day I really, really wanted Mitsuda on a Final Fantasy project.

benjipwns · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2017, 01:24:54 PM »

Quote from: Dosukebe on July 13, 2017, 07:21:45 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 12, 2017, 11:35:17 PM
better than Trigger.

haha it's funny because you're triggered by fake news about chrono trigger

Positive Touch · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2017, 02:48:25 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 13, 2017, 11:38:16 AM

Anyways positive, I feel this way because I replayed cross a few years back on my PS3. I wasn't big on it back in the day, but as an adult, 15 years later, it was an incredible experience. I replayed Trigger on ds a few years before that and...well...I didn't enjoy it as much as I used to beyond the nostalgia.

haven't played cross since back in the day but i have been thinking about looking at it again recently. just have a lot of newer stuff to play first. i did go thru some of trigger on ds last year and it was still fantastic. it's miles ahead of pretty much anything else in jrpgs in 1995.

Himu · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2017, 03:09:59 PM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on July 13, 2017, 02:48:25 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 13, 2017, 11:38:16 AM
Anyways positive, I feel this way because I replayed cross a few years back on my PS3. I wasn't big on it back in the day, but as an adult, 15 years later, it was an incredible experience. I replayed Trigger on ds a few years before that and...well...I didn't enjoy it as much as I used to beyond the nostalgia.

haven't played cross since back in the day but i have been thinking about looking at it again recently. just have a lot of newer stuff to play first. i did go thru some of trigger on ds last year and it was still fantastic. it's miles ahead of pretty much anything else in jrpgs in 1995.

Give Cross an earnest shot. You might not come away from it thinking it's better than Trigger like me, but you might consider it one of the best on the system. Time allows reflection and measured expectations. I used to think it was a bad sequel to Trigger. On my replay, after letting it sit for a while, I think it's a fantastic sequel to Trigger. But in order to do this you need to go in with an open-mind. It's not perfect or anything, but certainly not as bad as we all made it back then and the game gets a lot of undeserved flack. It's very FF8-esque in that the more you play the better it gets.

Bebpo · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2017, 05:59:49 PM »

Is it on cellphone? I feel like these days SE puts old PS1 ports there first.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2017, 06:17:36 PM »

no. the only ps1 games they ported to ios was ff7 and ff9.

Himu · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2017, 06:18:59 PM »

And tactics.

demi · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2017, 06:32:49 PM »

I just bought a copy to do my part of never playing this game

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2017, 06:36:40 PM »

Cross is good. I agree that if it had been it's own thing instead of trying to connect it as a "sequel" to Trigger it would have been better received.

It's a really, really good game. Very pretty considering the hardware it was on, and as others have said, I think it has the best PSX rpg score.

...it loses points for bullshit furry crap, tho. DO NOT WANT.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #25 on:** July 13, 2017, 07:13:24 PM »

Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2017, 06:36:40 PM

Cross is good. I agree that if it had been it's own thing instead of trying to connect it as a "sequel" to Trigger it would have been better received.

It's a really, really good game. Very pretty considering the hardware it was on, and as others have said, I think it has the best PSX rpg score.

...it loses points for bullshit furry crap, tho. DO NOT WANT.

holy shit look at this weeb

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #26 on:** July 13, 2017, 07:15:38 PM »

Regarding Cross and how it came to be: Masato Kato [who was one of the writers on Trigger] was the lead on a little visual novel from 1996 called Radical Dreamers [slapped together in about 3 months, incredibly]. Despite the compressed development, apparently Square pretty much let Kato write whatever he wanted for the game and that's what he did, eventually tying loosely into the storyline/world of Trigger [which even Kato admitted hadn't been his initial intent].

Fast forward a little bit, and it was Kato who led the Cross team, which was otherwise mostly people who hadn't been involved with Trigger's development [aside from Kato, the other major figure on the dev team was producer/designer Hiromichi Tanaka, who played a major role in the development of Secret of Mana 1 and 3, but wasn't involved with Trigger at all]. So, Kato, for whatever reason, decided to use the characters, world, and plot from Radical Dreamers as the main basis for Cross, rather than anything specifically from Trigger.

Trigger was basically Square's all-star team [3 directors: Takashi Tokita, Yoshinori Kitase, Akihiko Matsui; Kazuhiko Aoki producing; Hironobu Sakaguchi as main designer; Masato Kato as the main writer with input from Tokita and Kitase from an outline by Yuji Horii; and then toss in Akira Toriyama for good measure], while Cross was more the product of just Kato and Tanaka.

Himu · « **Reply #27 on:** July 13, 2017, 07:19:33 PM »

Any good interviews on cross?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #28 on:** July 13, 2017, 07:27:26 PM »

https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Weekly_Famitsu.html
https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Procyon_Studio.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20110709032608/http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/7033/chrono-cross-gamepro-com-interview-fan-questions-part-3/
https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Supporting_Material_Translation.html#Developer_Interviews

Bulleta©™® · « **Reply #29 on:** July 13, 2017, 08:50:05 PM »

Go get it on PSN then, icey.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2017, 09:19:31 PM »

Quote from: Positive Touch on July 13, 2017, 07:13:24 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2017, 06:36:40 PM
Cross is good. I agree that if it had been it's own thing instead of trying to connect it as a "sequel" to Trigger it would have been better received.

It's a really, really good game. Very pretty considering the hardware it was on, and as others have said, I think it has the best PSX rpg score.

...it loses points for bullshit furry crap, tho. DO NOT WANT.

holy shit look at this weeb

Himu · « **Reply #31 on:** July 13, 2017, 09:20:27 PM »

Quote from: Bulleta©™® on July 13, 2017, 08:50:05 PM

Go get it on PSN then, icey.

I have it already. I just want them to release an HD version.

I'd also like more story with some of the optional characters.

bluemax · « **Reply #32 on:** July 13, 2017, 10:53:08 PM »

Given that no PC version existed they would have to do a new, from the ground up port. Considering the game's unfortunate lack of popularity this doesn't seem like the best use of time or money sadly.

Himu · « **Reply #33 on:** July 13, 2017, 11:13:00 PM »

Quote from: bluemax on July 13, 2017, 10:53:08 PM

Given that no PC version existed they would have to do a new, from the ground up port. Considering the game's unfortunate lack of popularity this doesn't seem like the best use of time or money sadly.

Chrono Cross sold better than Trigger. Lack of popularity? It has only been re-released once (psn) and the lack of PC version for IX and X certainly didn't stop them from being made. I'm not saying you might not be wrong or anything, but I think it'd do pretty well. Is it really as unpopular as people say, or is that a loud minority? It was incredibly well reviewed after all. It deserves a second chance.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #34 on:** July 14, 2017, 12:28:15 AM »

pc ports of final Fantasy 9 and 10 were made because they are still hugely popular games, and both had rereleases on other platforms at the time they were put on steam. chrono cross has nothing like that, has no current swell of hype, and niche appeal at best in comparison to the ff games. I dunno why you're talking like it will ever be the remotest consideration for square Enix.

Himu · « **Reply #35 on:** July 14, 2017, 12:47:33 AM »

Because

If they can remake that Mana game and Saga 2 they can remake Chrono across and other ps1 classics. Let me dream for that Sqauresoft PS1 classics collection. Sweet baby Jesus how is that a thing yet?

Bulleta©™® · « **Reply #36 on:** July 14, 2017, 02:37:35 AM »

Most of the Square PS1 games were trash is probably why.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #37 on:** July 14, 2017, 07:12:43 AM »

Himu · « **Reply #38 on:** July 14, 2017, 08:43:48 AM »

Better than the snes era. Which is kind of overrated besides stuff like SaGa and FFV. Let's be real, FF4 gets boring the second you've beaten it because it's always the same and is as linear as FF13. FF6 is easier than FF7; auto crossbow all damn day baby. Secret of Mana isn't that good. CT is another game as easy as or easier than FF7 and somehow still gets a pass. Then there's stuff like Live A Live, which are kinda ok? Games like Front Mission are good and have better sequels on the PlayStation.

Psx era Square has Tactics, 7-9, Parasite Eve, Einhander, Chrono Cross, Front Mission 3, Vagrant Story, Threads of Fate. Personally for me it's not even close.

I'm not saying the sfam/snes era of Square was bad but damn, people ride really to like to ride its nuts.

Himu · « **Reply #39 on:** July 14, 2017, 09:34:37 AM »

Sure.

demi · « **Reply #40 on:** July 14, 2017, 09:56:52 AM »

Quote from: Bulleta©™® on July 14, 2017, 02:37:35 AM

Most of the Square PS1 games were trash is probably why.

[citation needed]

bork · « **Reply #41 on:** July 14, 2017, 12:12:00 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 13, 2017, 11:13:00 PM

Chrono Cross sold better than Trigger.

It did? Even with Chrono Trigger being released on SNES, PS1, and DS?

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #42 on:** July 14, 2017, 12:12:49 PM »

OST is the best thing about Cross.

Himu · « **Reply #43 on:** July 14, 2017, 12:22:34 PM »

Quote from: Dosukebe on July 14, 2017, 12:12:00 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 13, 2017, 11:13:00 PM
Chrono Cross sold better than Trigger.

It did? Even with Chrono Trigger being released on SNES, PS1, and DS?

For the sake of discussion, let's compare first releases only. Since Cross didn't have as many official re-releases as Trigger this is an unfair comparison.

Mr. Nobody · « **Reply #44 on:** July 14, 2017, 12:32:48 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 14, 2017, 09:34:37 AM

Sure.

None of those games you listed are particularly hard though, so its kind of a moot point anyway

I'm a Puppy! · « **Reply #45 on:** July 14, 2017, 12:51:06 PM »

Wow Queen. You have some pretty contraversial opinions but this one? This one really goes above and beyond. I can't even fathom thinking that Cross was better than Trigger.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #46 on:** July 14, 2017, 12:51:19 PM »

The most recent numbers for the different versions of Trigger put its total at somewhere around 3.4 million [2.6 million for SNES and PS1 combined, 800k for DS version]. Cross only sold 1.5 milion.

bork · « **Reply #47 on:** July 14, 2017, 12:59:02 PM »

Yeah, Queen, I'm not seeing it, although this data is VG Chartz so who knows.

Chrono Cross (PS1): Global Total as of 03rd Jun 2017 (units): 1.86m

Chrono Trigger (SNES): Global Total as of 03rd Jun 2017 (units): 2.31m
Chrono Trigger (DS): Global Total as of 03rd Jun 2017 (units): 1.34m

benjipwns · « **Reply #48 on:** July 14, 2017, 01:15:42 PM »

Trigger also had a PS1 release.

edit: as GR notes

edit2: and yourself earlier

benjipwns · « **Reply #49 on:** July 14, 2017, 01:30:04 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 14, 2017, 08:43:48 AM

Let's be real, FF4 gets boring the second you've beaten it because it's always the same and is as linear as FF13.

Let's be real, it's a 1MB console game from 1991 that they made in like a year during a generation transition.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #50 on:** July 14, 2017, 01:45:41 PM »

Quote from: Dosukebe on July 14, 2017, 12:59:02 PM

Yeah, Queen, I'm not seeing it, although this data is VG Chartz so who knows.

The numbers I posted came from S-E's fiscal year reports, so they're accurate [as of March 2003].

Himu · « **Reply #51 on:** July 14, 2017, 01:53:25 PM »

Damn. I thought they were reversed, with Cross at 2.5 and Trigger at 1. soemthing. I stand corrected.

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on July 14, 2017, 12:51:06 PM

Wow Queen. You have some pretty contraversial opinions but this one? This one really goes above and beyond. I can't even fathom thinking that Cross was better than Trigger.

Depends on what you want out of it. Trigger has better action packed pacing and characters. Cross has better everything else. Trigger isn't that fun to play to me anymore.

Bulleta©™® · « **Reply #52 on:** July 14, 2017, 05:10:16 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 14, 2017, 08:43:48 AM

Better than the snes era. Which is kind of overrated besides stuff like SaGa and FFV. Let's be real, FF4 gets boring the second you've beaten it because it's always the same and is as linear as FF13. FF6 is easier than FF7; auto crossbow all damn day baby. Secret of Mana isn't that good. CT is another game as easy as or easier than FF7 and somehow still gets a pass. Then there's stuff like Live A Live, which are kinda ok? Games like Front Mission are good and have better sequels on the PlayStation.

Psx era Square has Tactics, 7-9, Parasite Eve, Einhander, Chrono Cross, Front Mission 3, Vagrant Story, Threads of Fate. Personally for me it's not even close.

I'm not saying the sfam/snes era of Square was bad but damn, people ride really to like to ride its nuts.

I've played FF4 the most # of times aside from 1, so I dunno. Auto Crossbow isn't even a mid-tier ability in 6. Never liked Secret of Mana.

All the imo GOOD Square PS1 games have already gotten a rerelease somewhere. I have PE but can't get into it, Einhander is a shooter. ToF is a no-name game nobody remembers. FM3? Not into strat games. CC/VS/XG form my "trifecta of shit" as you may or may not remember. Those games were so the antithesis of fun for me I stopped playing any rpg's that were not FF or DQ for 10 years until I played P3 FES. So yes, imo, the PS1 era was largely a stinking pile of horse shit. Hope that answers Icy and demi.

I'd rather play games I still find fun than horrid piles of garbage.

bork · « **Reply #53 on:** July 14, 2017, 05:13:30 PM »

Einhander and Tobal 2 were good stuff. And don't people still go crazy for games like Vagrant Story?

I'm not one for RPGs, but I saw and (if only briefly) played just about everything released during the 32-bit era, since I worked at a game shop. Square put out a lot of games and there's plenty of titles people like and plenty of shit from them, too.

Bulleta©™® · « **Reply #54 on:** July 14, 2017, 05:23:45 PM »

I disliked VS very much.

I'm a Puppy! · « **Reply #55 on:** July 14, 2017, 05:59:06 PM »

I loved VS back in the day. BUT I can't play it anymore. The weapons system is so obtuse that I just refuse to put up with it anymore.

Himu · « **Reply #56 on:** July 14, 2017, 06:02:15 PM »

I suggest my friends FAQ for VS. check Phoenix Fire's FAQ on gfaqs if you ever give it another shot.

Himu · « **Reply #57 on:** July 14, 2017, 06:45:12 PM »

I'm not sure what matsuno's magnum opus is. FFXII, VS, FFT, TO all could be described as being just that. If I were to choose one, it'd be TO, though. FFT basically just reiterated what TO already achieved, VS is great but not that influential, and FFXII he left halfway through the project.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #58 on:** July 14, 2017, 06:51:44 PM »

Y'all don't be sleeping on Legend of Mana. Though, to be fair, I love it probably more than just about anybody.

Himu · « **Reply #59 on:** July 14, 2017, 07:07:03 PM »

I tried that. I wanted to go kill rabites and ended up not knowing what to do and taking it out of my system.

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Author Topic: Put Chrono Cross on Steam please (Read 14768 times)