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Piikm

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6000 on: October 22, 2017, 10:40:46 AM »
Long time lurker here.
My GAF life span lasted about 3 perma'd accounts starting in 2006ish.
Once things went to shit I got a few bans which turned to permas arguing with cheeseburgers and mis-using pronouns
Then a perma for a post about sex..eating ass did me in
Last perm was over a pro-Milo post in an anti-Milo thread.

I've always lurked Opa, NeoFag (Reddit/Voat) and here..

Maybe I'll stay..I got my forum going habits started back in 2002-005ish being a regular on the SickFuckNetwork like ConsumptionJunction and Ogrish..
Not many places around who enjoy laughing at a gore, wierd porn and calling each other slurs.

VomKriege

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6001 on: October 22, 2017, 10:40:56 AM »
From PCGamesN to Rolling Stones.. Tomorrow the NYT titling about GAF ? :lol
Not sure if he can comes back from that to be honest.
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Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6002 on: October 22, 2017, 10:41:04 AM »
Follow up for Opiate and last for me, reading your post mentioning the estrangement with the rest of the staff : Are you Russian ? :thinking

I am an American of primarily German descent. I grew up in Saint Louis, went to Columbia University in New York, lived there for several years afterwards, then returned to Saint Louis to be with family and friends (and because I got a better job with higher pay and lower cost of living).

Was pulling your leg chap, but you maybe missed the McCarthyist craze on GAF.

As I said, because I don't think you adressed it specifically, your interaction with Fiction wrt to the pedo discussion really did not do you any favor, especially here. I can hear all of your intellectual arguments on the matter, but you came out as cold and insensitive at best, apologetic as worst. Did you reflect on that and maybe regretted how you handled it ?

I definitely think I could have handled it better, but it's worth noting several things. First: Fiction and I were friends, in that we messaged each other privately on several occasions previously. We immediately engaged in a private message discussion after that thread which I precipitated, and made it clear I valued her as a member. She did not seem upset with me (and was not herself one of the driving forces behind my condemnation). Second, as noted earlier, many of the posts in that thread were deleted, which makes it difficult to see what I'm even responding to -- and this includes Fiction's responses. In several of her posts, she cursed and yelled at another member (note: I don't just mean she said the word "shit" or something, she directly told another poster to "fuck off"), and refused to listen to arguments that didn't agree with her position.  She deleted those posts herself. They were not deleted by me or another moderator.

And this might be a point on which we disagree, and which might not be resolvable --  while I am highly sympathetic to Fiction's life story, I do not believe anyone's life story entitles them to be irrational jerks to other people. Under virtually any other circumstance, someone who explicitly refuses to listen to contrary opinions and who tells other posters "fuck you" would have been banned. The post to which I assume you refer was my attempt to get her to calm down, because I absolutely did not want to have to ban a victim of child abuse in a thread about pedophilia. But if she continued to say "fuck you" to other members and refuse to engage in civilized discussion, I personally would have felt obligated to do so.

Widdle Puppy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6003 on: October 22, 2017, 10:41:15 AM »
I see... I'm not blind to there having been many silly bans at Neogaf. I was banned for two weeks for calling a guy a "dope" when he first called me a "dumbass." He walked out of the exchange scot-free. Old member with a cool tag and mod friends. It was silly but I didn't care and wasn't offended or sensitive about it like a lot of people are when banned from GAF. I would say most perma bans there were deserved. There were some that might not have deserved losing their account but most bans there were justifiable and you really had little to worry about there as long as you didn't call people names and showed them respect like you would someone in person. It wasn't perfect and yes it was an echo chamber but it was one of the few active places where you could go to avoid scummy GGs and similar tier posters.

Based on what would you believe most perma bans were deserved?  They were so secretive about it, didn't want anyone to know why people were banned or for how long.  Why would put trust in that?  I can give you at least one thread where everyone in it was perma banned just for saying the site slogan was lame.  That last sentence is a myth.  Typical Gaf brainwashing propaganda making you believe everyone not on Gaf was a GG and Trump lover.
The lack of transparency was unfortunate. I will say racist and bigoted content was taken down in haste. I stick by my point that as long as you were reasonably respectful and didn't call people names you had little to worry about regarding a ban. I see your point though. There were some stupid bans handed out.

SeanR1221

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6004 on: October 22, 2017, 10:41:22 AM »
Yes such fair moderation!  Remember. This was my first ban and it was permanent

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zomgee

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6005 on: October 22, 2017, 10:41:24 AM »
Why were you complicit in creating a echo chamber environment where the mods regularly went on power trips, banning everyone they disagreed with, or everyone who wasn't far-left?

If your point is "you should have quit," then that is part of a larger, more complex discussion. Allowing dissent and disagreement among moderators is important, and it would be absurd to quit as soon as you disagreed with other people (even Tyler). But there has to be some breaking point where you say, "This disagreement has grown to severe, I can no longer sanction this behavior," and I personally believe most of the moderators who left yesterday picked exactly the right line in the sand.


Yeah BUUUUUULLLLLLL SHIT.

Like if ghosting Amirox after it was found he had child porn wasn't a line in the sand, then stating that he didn't know his name, and THEN deleting any conversation about Amirox on the site wasn't a line enough? What moderator stands lockstep with that horseshit?

The Besada PM's where an attempt at a forum narrative was being established wasn't a line enough? You were there for that bull shit... what was that conversation like?

 :cmonson :ufup
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Momo

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6006 on: October 22, 2017, 10:41:31 AM »
Who was the guy who did all the server stuff for them? Or the changes to the forum at least? Began with a G I think?
I'm sure he's probably got a DB backup. He could mass mail the membership and get them to move to a site of his choosing - $$$$$
I dont know US law, but that would be pretty illegal and IP theft

The best part is the above is both hilarious and true  :crowdlaff

Himu

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6007 on: October 22, 2017, 10:41:56 AM »
So the gaf mods are going to try to recreate gaf but without Tyler? Now that people don't have cause for their loyalty, no one got time for that. :lol

You can definitely 100% put your faith in all the other mods, Tyler was the only bad one there will ever be. Amir0x doesnt count because reasons, also ignore the other times they all covered for Tyler. They're good people, it's not that this time there was just too much attention, it's because they are pure souls

They defended a convicted pedophile.

Not convicted yet. :P

Oh. :fbm

Well he's still a pedophile.
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Lothar

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6008 on: October 22, 2017, 10:41:57 AM »
Visited NEOGAF since 2000 and became a registered member 13 years ago with one perma-ban imposed by Dragona that was lifted just this year.

Personally don't have a problem with their policy enforcement. You'll get banned if you're a blatant troll - which I was - or for driveby posts reflecting, admittedly, insensitive conservative viewpoints. Normally when you back up any radical perspective with sound, well thought-out support the mods - or at least most of them - will give you leeway. Again, this is just based on my casual observations from watching many, many members get banned.

Jim Jones is dead, the cult is finished, and still some people want to drink the poison kool-aid.

There's no reason to think this horseshit anymore.  You're free! 

Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6009 on: October 22, 2017, 10:44:06 AM »
So the gaf mods are going to try to recreate gaf but without Tyler? Now that people don't have cause for their loyalty, no one got time for that. :lol

You can definitely 100% put your faith in all the other mods, Tyler was the only bad one there will ever be. Amir0x doesnt count because reasons, also ignore the other times they all covered for Tyler. They're good people, it's not that this time there was just too much attention, it's because they are pure souls

They defended a convicted pedophile.

Not convicted yet. :P

Oh. :fbm

Well he's still a pedophile.

Allegedly.

nudemacusers

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6010 on: October 22, 2017, 10:44:26 AM »
So the gaf mods are going to try to recreate gaf but without Tyler? Now that people don't have cause for their loyalty, no one got time for that. :lol

You can definitely 100% put your faith in all the other mods, Tyler was the only bad one there will ever be. Amir0x doesnt count because reasons, also ignore the other times they all covered for Tyler. They're good people, it's not that this time there was just too much attention, it's because they are pure souls

They defended a convicted pedophile.

Not convicted yet. :P

Oh. :fbm

Well he's still a pedophile.
What if those images were placed there remotely by Russian counterop agents trying to interject on his pro Hillary gaf posting
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VomKriege

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6011 on: October 22, 2017, 10:44:54 AM »
Okay. No matter what I think of all of it, I can appreciate you came here to take questions and be on the record with regards to some of that stuff Opiate.
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Dennis

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6012 on: October 22, 2017, 10:44:56 AM »
Since we have former moderators of GAF on here, please tell me how the other moderators responded to/debated the public revelation that Besada engaged in purging out long-time users from GAF based on his personal animosity or just wrong-think?

Surely that most have triggered intense debate amongst the sophisticate group of high-minded individuals?

Crocks

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6013 on: October 22, 2017, 10:45:15 AM »
Kinda crazy how it all went down.  Goes to show how poorly moderated that place was when your userbase can use just turn on you like that.  Tyler never really fostered a healthy, collaborative culture in recent years.

Hey, he fostered that environment. Cater to ultra-Social Studies Warriors and they will turn on you the second they find out that you're not the paragon of virtue they imagined you to be.

Yeah, all he needed to do is say I was drunk, did dumb things, apologized. Let's move on.  It's funny how GAF became so puritanically unforgiving.

Oh gosh, don't say that. Next thing you know sobriety will be a requirement of the website. Let the purity tests begin!

I actually like Evilore.  He's obviously far from a perfect dude and has some issues with having an ultra thin skin.  But recent posts of his have shown that he knows where the site ended up and basically was not sure how to stop it.  But he created a Frankenstein monster that turned on him.

Also, I think Bish will be back to him salvage what's left. He was his closest bro on the site

Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

I was once banned for saying that I thought something wasn't racist. I was also banned for replying to a topic with "The left being holier-than-thou? Well I never." Or words to that effect. There's not a snowball's chance in hell I'd have caught a ban for that if I'd said "right" instead of "left". I was banned six or seven times, and tbh I'm surprised I never caught a perma. I only had one account, no alts. CyclopsRock.

nudemacusers

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6014 on: October 22, 2017, 10:45:45 AM »
Opiate just cut to the chase and tell Dennis how to become a mod, this is where the conversation is heading anyway
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Propagandhim

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6015 on: October 22, 2017, 10:45:50 AM »
What did Tyler do all day?  I'm not asking this rhetorically, I'm genuinely curious.  Never updated the forum infrastructure and software, never fixed the malicious ads, didn't pay out any contractors for moderation or maintenance, used Gromph for database shit which he did for free....

How did he fill those 180 hour work weeks?

Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6016 on: October 22, 2017, 10:45:52 AM »
Normally when you back up any radical perspective with sound, well thought-out support the mods - or at least most of them - will give you leeway.
Except when this perspective is about women, feminism, LBGT, Trump or moderators.

What perspective might that be, and don't pull punches now as I suspect you probably want to include minorities to that list but voluntarily left it out.

Rman

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6017 on: October 22, 2017, 10:46:09 AM »
Yes such fair moderation!  Remember. This was my first ban and it was permanent

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100 percent Tyler ban lol. 

Mrtoughpants

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6018 on: October 22, 2017, 10:46:16 AM »
Yes such fair moderation!  Remember. This was my first ban and it was permanent

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What's up Sean!

All the cool kids ended up here then, officer Boogie!  :lol

Optimus

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6019 on: October 22, 2017, 10:46:26 AM »
Visited NEOGAF since 2000 and became a registered member 13 years ago with one perma-ban imposed by Dragona that was lifted just this year.

Personally don't have a problem with their policy enforcement. You'll get banned if you're a blatant troll - which I was - or for driveby posts reflecting, admittedly, insensitive conservative viewpoints. Normally when you back up any radical perspective with sound, well thought-out support the mods - or at least most of them - will give you leeway. Again, this is just based on my casual observations from watching many, many members get banned.

You can't be fucking serious. People make drive-by posts because if you invest in the discussion the loons will find a reason to ban you for the tiniest infraction while they let their SJ W buddies bully and spam you with their own drive-by "I can't even" posts.

zomgee

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6020 on: October 22, 2017, 10:46:28 AM »
What did Tyler do all day?  I'm not asking this rhetorically, I'm genuinely curious.  Never updated the software, never fixed the malicious ads, didn't pay out any contractors for moderation or maintenance, used Gromph for database shit....

How did he fill those 180 hour work weeks?

Half with the ad team, half with more fights
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EightBitNate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6021 on: October 22, 2017, 10:46:41 AM »
Since we have former moderators of GAF on here, please tell me how the other moderators responded to/debated the public revelation that Besada engaged in purging out long-time users from GAF based on his personal animosity or just wrong-think?

Surely that most have triggered intense debate amongst the sophisticate group of high-minded individuals?

Interested in hearing this as well. Surely everyone wasn’t so complicit.

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6022 on: October 22, 2017, 10:47:12 AM »
Why were you complicit in creating a echo chamber environment where the mods regularly went on power trips, banning everyone they disagreed with, or everyone who wasn't far-left?

If your point is "you should have quit," then that is part of a larger, more complex discussion. Allowing dissent and disagreement among moderators is important, and it would be absurd to quit as soon as you disagreed with other people (even Tyler). But there has to be some breaking point where you say, "This disagreement has grown to severe, I can no longer sanction this behavior," and I personally believe most of the moderators who left yesterday picked exactly the right line in the sand.


Yeah BUUUUUULLLLLLL SHIT.

Like if ghosting Amirox after it was found he had child porn wasn't a line in the sand, then stating that he didn't know his name, and THEN deleting any conversation about Amirox on the site wasn't a line enough? What moderator stands lockstep with that horseshit?

The Besada PM's where an attempt at a forum narrative was being established wasn't a line enough? You were there for that bull shit... what was that conversation like?

 :cmonson :ufup

That discussion with Besada was indeed very heated, and was one of the times where I strongly objected to the direction of the forum because I felt it encouraged an echo chamber.

Please note that other moderators' objections are not necessarily congruent with my own. I personally objected to the ideological purification of the forum, but other moderators were less concerned. I think I was one of the first to sound the alarm, but I suppose others may have since crossed their own threshold (and note that I did not leave any when "sounding the alarm," since I didn't leave of my own accord).

Dennis

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6023 on: October 22, 2017, 10:47:28 AM »
Opiate just cut to the chase and tell Dennis how to become a mod, this is where the conversation is heading anyway

 :shh

Transhuman

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6024 on: October 22, 2017, 10:48:12 AM »
I remember back in the day reading Opiate's sensibly put post, agreeing with it, and thinking "If any post is going to open up people's perspectives and bring them closer to respecting the sanctity of human life, it's this one". But it turns out even advocates of peace and nonviolence would jump at the chance to relish how they wish they could light some kiddie fiddlers on fire and watch their eyes bubble out of their skull.

And this was before Amirox

Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6025 on: October 22, 2017, 10:48:20 AM »
I caught a couple of unwarranted bans, which admittedly made me more snipey and jaded with the whole thing - and after that I had a bit of an angry meltdown one day which got me perma'd. Wasn't in a healthy place tbh, a break from the forum did me some good. I've been back on GAF quietly under a different name for some time and getting along just fine, but that's purely because I know better than to get involved in some conversations I might naturally jump on.

Moderation was automatically a hell of a lot better the day Amir0x got shitcanned. He was awful. Exactly the kind of power tripping wanker that should never be given that kind of power. He attacked his mother, scammed a forum for loads of money and ended up being a paedophile. Has there ever been a day we were so richly rewarded with schadenfreude than the day all that stuff came out? Until maybe now?

Shame it's been dealt with this so badly. That post with the guy freaking out, saying there will be "blood on his hands" is embarrassingly extreme, but he's clearly not well. For people that liked the place and liked each other, it's a shame that self preservation and ego are putting and end to it.

Would IGN or anyone still be interested in the brand? Or do we think it's too late?

Nere

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6026 on: October 22, 2017, 10:48:30 AM »
Kinda crazy how it all went down.  Goes to show how poorly moderated that place was when your userbase can use just turn on you like that.  Tyler never really fostered a healthy, collaborative culture in recent years.

Hey, he fostered that environment. Cater to ultra-Social Studies Warriors and they will turn on you the second they find out that you're not the paragon of virtue they imagined you to be.

Yeah, all he needed to do is say I was drunk, did dumb things, apologized. Let's move on.  It's funny how GAF became so puritanically unforgiving.

Oh gosh, don't say that. Next thing you know sobriety will be a requirement of the website. Let the purity tests begin!

I actually like Evilore.  He's obviously far from a perfect dude and has some issues with having an ultra thin skin.  But recent posts of his have shown that he knows where the site ended up and basically was not sure how to stop it.  But he created a Frankenstein monster that turned on him.

Also, I think Bish will be back to him salvage what's left. He was his closest bro on the site

Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

All you had to say was that you voted for Trump and you would get banned.
good

Did you ever hear of that? "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", it's your way of thinking that creates an echo chamber with only one way of thinking and it seems you are carrying your awesome way of thinking here too.

Lactose_Intolerant

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6027 on: October 22, 2017, 10:49:09 AM »
What did Tyler do all day?  I'm not asking this rhetorically, I'm genuinely curious.  Never updated the forum infrastructure and software, never fixed the malicious ads, didn't pay out any contractors for moderation or maintenance, used Gromph for database shit which he did for free....

How did he fill those 180 hour work weeks?

MMA training

NickFire

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6028 on: October 22, 2017, 10:49:12 AM »
1  - The past few years of observing gaf (post cheeseburger wrongthink ban) has been about the same as watching a massive and nut filled turd swirl and stain the bowl over and over after the shitter was clogged. 

2 - it’s great to see what appears to be genuine free exchange of opinions here.  Kinda stunned this slipped my attention until the shitstorm of the past 2 days.

3 - I don’t believe in wrongthink bans ever, even for former gaf mods.  I do believe they are all pieces of shit though, and hope posters here are free to express that over and over. 

4 - the mods or admins here should give people a heads up to make sure they use a different password than used at gaf.  I wouldn’t put it past any displaced mod to try using gaf passwords on other accounts they can connect their posters to.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 07:23:41 PM by NickFire »

EVOL

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6029 on: October 22, 2017, 10:49:26 AM »
What did Tyler do all day?  I'm not asking this rhetorically, I'm genuinely curious.  Never updated the forum infrastructure and software, never fixed the malicious ads, didn't pay out any contractors for moderation or maintenance, used Gromph for database shit which he did for free....

How did he fill those 180 hour work weeks?

Sexually harassing women, apparently

Would IGN or anyone still be interested in the brand? Or do we think it's too late?

The brand is radioactive at this point, it's dead

zomgee

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6030 on: October 22, 2017, 10:50:23 AM »
Why were you complicit in creating a echo chamber environment where the mods regularly went on power trips, banning everyone they disagreed with, or everyone who wasn't far-left?

If your point is "you should have quit," then that is part of a larger, more complex discussion. Allowing dissent and disagreement among moderators is important, and it would be absurd to quit as soon as you disagreed with other people (even Tyler). But there has to be some breaking point where you say, "This disagreement has grown to severe, I can no longer sanction this behavior," and I personally believe most of the moderators who left yesterday picked exactly the right line in the sand.


Yeah BUUUUUULLLLLLL SHIT.

Like if ghosting Amirox after it was found he had child porn wasn't a line in the sand, then stating that he didn't know his name, and THEN deleting any conversation about Amirox on the site wasn't a line enough? What moderator stands lockstep with that horseshit?

The Besada PM's where an attempt at a forum narrative was being established wasn't a line enough? You were there for that bull shit... what was that conversation like?

 :cmonson :ufup

That discussion with Besada was indeed very heated, and was one of the times where I strongly objected to the direction of the forum because I felt it encouraged an echo chamber.

Please note that other moderators' objections are not necessarily congruent with my own. I personally objected to the ideological purification of the forum, but other moderators were less concerned. I think I was one of the first to sound the alarm, but I suppose others may have since crossed their own threshold (and note that I did not leave any when "sounding the alarm," since I didn't leave of my own accord).

Well I'm sure then it was one mark on a list of many that was placed on you to get demodded, then.
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pj

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6031 on: October 22, 2017, 10:52:09 AM »
I see... I'm not blind to there having been many silly bans at Neogaf. I was banned for two weeks for calling a guy a "dope" when he first called me a "dumbass." He walked out of the exchange scot-free. Old member with a cool tag and mod friends. It was silly but I didn't care and wasn't offended or sensitive about it like a lot of people are when banned from GAF. I would say most perma bans there were deserved. There were some that might not have deserved losing their account but most bans there were justifiable and you really had little to worry about there as long as you didn't call people names and showed them respect like you would someone in person. It wasn't perfect and yes it was an echo chamber but it was one of the few active places where you could go to avoid scummy GGs and similar tier posters.

Based on what would you believe most perma bans were deserved?  They were so secretive about it, didn't want anyone to know why people were banned or for how long.  Why would put trust in that?  I can give you at least one thread where everyone in it was perma banned just for saying the site slogan was lame.  That last sentence is a myth.  Typical Gaf brainwashing propaganda making you believe everyone not on Gaf was a GG and Trump lover.
The lack of transparency was unfortunate. I will say racist and bigoted content was taken down in haste. I stick by my point that as long as you were reasonably respectful and didn't call people names you had little to worry about regarding a ban. I see your point though. There were some stupid bans handed out.

I was perm banned after the election for saying it might be a bad idea to write off all white people who voted for Trump.  I hate trump and did not vote for him, I was on gaf since 2004, and I even had a beer with evilore once, on the night of his infamous times square cam adventure.

They absolutely banned people for little to no reason.  That's basically why this site exists

FStop7

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6032 on: October 22, 2017, 10:52:32 AM »
GAF still down?  Wherever will I get the latest news on fine YUM! Brands and Sony products?

Marhunchy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6033 on: October 22, 2017, 10:52:46 AM »
What did Tyler do all day?  I'm not asking this rhetorically, I'm genuinely curious.  Never updated the forum infrastructure and software, never fixed the malicious ads, didn't pay out any contractors for moderation or maintenance, used Gromph for database shit which he did for free....

How did he fill those 180 hour work weeks?

Drafting statements

zomgbbqftw

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6034 on: October 22, 2017, 10:52:54 AM »
Why did you decide to be a pedophile?

Why did you hate the Wrestling community?

(that was you, right?)

I'm not a pedophile. I wasn't then, and I'm not now. Since leaving GAF, I have gotten married, and I love my wife dearly. It's worth noting that the thread I left GAF over was heavily redacted -- except for my posts, since I didn't feel obligated to rescind statements I still believed were reasonable -- which makes it difficult to read, since it's not clear what happened or what prompted my responses.

If you want a short response: I believe that it's a really big bummer that people grow up with pedophilic tendencies through no fault of their own. It sucks that we can never let them express their sexual needs (and to be clear, we really can't) the way we can let everybody else do so, and it must feel horrible to keep your sexual desires bottled up inside your entire life or else face (justifiable) persecution. It's a horrible life to be born in to.

One other point I made is that this discussion is so toxic, so emotionally driven for most people, that simply suggesting a shred of sympathy for pedophiles made people suspect you of being a pedophile yourself --  a point that was rather amply demonstrated by the response.

As for Wrestling GAF, I legitimately do not know where that sense came from. I had no particular issues with Wrestling GAF. It's possible that Wrestling GAF hated me, but I did not hate them.

You know why the discussion is charged and everyone hates paedos? Because they abuse children or encourage abuse by consuming the content created by child abusers. There is no shade of grey, you trying to create one or even showing sympathy to the bastards is disturbing.

All pedos either abuse or consume content? No gray? What are all these gay rights things? What's up with men born in a women's body and vice versa? You're telling me pedos are the one exception where the way they're wired should send them to jail from birth? You might be a hypocrite.

A gay person or transgender person doesn't harm others or intend harm on others by the sexual orientation. Unless you are saying that being gay or trans is harmful to other people and children there is no equivalence to be drawn. Wiring or not, paedos are a danger to society and need to be kept separate.
Anyone can harm anyone. Mere existence does not mean they intend to harm. They've not committed crimes just from wiring alone. There should be things in place to convince those types to come forward before crimes occur. The lock them all up way of thinking is why they're in the shadows committing crimes. Your ideas place them in jail at birth. I would never suggest such a thing for gays and trans people whose orientation is also not their fault.

I don't dispute that anyone can harm, a gay, trans or hetero person is just as likely to be a cunt as anyone. Tyler is yet another example of that. The difference is that paedos are required to be cunts in order to get any sexual gratification. There is a difference and I don't think gay or trans people would appreciate their sexuaity being compared to paedos as inherently harmful.

tiesto

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6035 on: October 22, 2017, 10:53:32 AM »
I guess we'll never see the final picks for the top RPGs of 2017 now :P
^_^

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6036 on: October 22, 2017, 10:53:33 AM »
Since we have former moderators of GAF on here, please tell me how the other moderators responded to/debated the public revelation that Besada engaged in purging out long-time users from GAF based on his personal animosity or just wrong-think?

Surely that most have triggered intense debate amongst the sophisticate group of high-minded individuals?

I don't feel it's my place to name names, but I will stress that I was strongly against Besada's position and so were a few other moderators. Not necessarily the majority, however.

What made the conversation more awkward was that most of us superficially agreed with Besada -- for example, I am personally liberal and identify as a feminist. I am "on his side," as it were. But that doesn't mean I believe alternative viewpoints should be purged, and it is that issue which personally divided me from some other moderators.

It's also worth appreciating their perspective here. Take an extreme example to see what I mean: let's imagine some poster was openly a Nazi, and not in the vague way it's often used now, but literally a Nazi advocating for the extermination of Jews. Would I support that person's right to spread their views on NeoGAF? No, I would not have. There is a line, and it looks like this forum also has lines. The question is where you draw that line. From their perspective, they were keeping cruel/bad positions off of NeoGAF: from my perspective I believe the line was drawn far too aggressively, curbing all sorts of dissonant views. Perhaps worst of all, certain wrong or bigoted views were excommunicated, but other wrong views were not, simply because those bigoted views happen to leftist ones, or which appealed to leftist sensibilities. For example, you might see someone engaging in misogyny be banned, but someone engaging in misandry would not be. These wrinkles made the conversation difficult to engage in, because it's hard to impress on someone that you agree with their conclusions but not the manner in which they are executing on those conclusions.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 10:58:45 AM by Opiate »

Luxray

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6037 on: October 22, 2017, 10:53:58 AM »
What perspective might that be, and don't pull punches now as I suspect you probably want to include minorities to that list but voluntarily left it out.
I'm not looking for trouble, so please cool your jets. This is just what I noticed over the past, like, two years (?) on NeoGAF. As soon as someone even tries to start a, let's say, pro-Trump argument, this person will be shot down within the minute, no matter how well thought-out, detailed or comprehensive said argument was written. The SJW hivemind would immediately jump on every little thing, rip it out of context and be fake-outraged about it until the moderation swoops in and does what the mob demands.

This is true for all the topics I mentioned. You are simply not allowed to say things like "women are more emotional than men", because that's apparently sexist and will get you banned almost immediately. It's quite insane, really.

Again. Not trying to stir shit up. Merely stating what I observed over time.

zomgee

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6038 on: October 22, 2017, 10:54:12 AM »
They absolutely banned people for little to no reason.  That's basically why this site exists

No. No no no. No.

This site exists for the free and open exchange of dick pics without Russian influence. All pics go to Demi and they are distributed by size and shape based upon preferences set in your control panel here and your operating system/browser.
rub

EightBitNate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6039 on: October 22, 2017, 10:54:35 AM »
How long until the Wikipedia page changes verbs from “is” to “was”?

Coax

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6040 on: October 22, 2017, 10:55:23 AM »
They absolutely banned people for little to no reason.  That's basically why this site exists


hungrynoob

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6041 on: October 22, 2017, 10:56:18 AM »
Shit, Im not entirely sure our timeline didnt die off and we woke up in another timeline, a GAF mod admitting it was a echo chamber.

Either NK/Russia or Cern one way or another the existence we once knew isnt exactly quite the same.

Boogie

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6042 on: October 22, 2017, 10:58:04 AM »
Yes such fair moderation!  Remember. This was my first ban and it was permanent

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What's up Sean!

All the cool kids ended up here then, officer Boogie!  :lol

Yo!

Our FitnessBore thread is right here:

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32900.7695

 ;)
MMA

omensetter

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6043 on: October 22, 2017, 10:58:08 AM »
Russia used advanced photoshop technology to make my dick look smaller than it actually is. This is why i'm homeless and destitute now

daycru

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6044 on: October 22, 2017, 10:58:15 AM »
Follow up for Opiate and last for me, reading your post mentioning the estrangement with the rest of the staff : Are you Russian ? :thinking

I am an American of primarily German descent. I grew up in Saint Louis, went to Columbia University in New York, lived there for several years afterwards, then returned to Saint Louis to be with family and friends (and because I got a better job with higher pay and lower cost of living).

Was pulling your leg chap, but you maybe missed the McCarthyist craze on GAF.

As I said, because I don't think you adressed it specifically, your interaction with Fiction wrt to the pedo discussion really did not do you any favor, especially here. I can hear all of your intellectual arguments on the matter, but you came out as cold and insensitive at best, apologetic as worst. Did you reflect on that and maybe regretted how you handled it ?

I definitely think I could have handled it better, but it's worth noting several things. First: Fiction and I were friends, in that we messaged each other privately on several occasions previously. We immediately engaged in a private message discussion after that thread which I precipitated, and made it clear I valued her as a member. She did not seem upset with me (and was not herself one of the driving forces behind my condemnation). Second, as noted earlier, many of the posts in that thread were deleted, which makes it difficult to see what I'm even responding to -- and this includes Fiction's responses. In several of her posts, she cursed and yelled at another member (note: I don't just mean she said the word "shit" or something, she directly told another poster to "fuck off"), and refused to listen to arguments that didn't agree with her position.  She deleted those posts herself. They were not deleted by me or another moderator.

And this might be a point on which we disagree, and which might not be resolvable --  while I am highly sympathetic to Fiction's life story, I do not believe anyone's life story entitles them to be irrational jerks to other people. Under virtually any other circumstance, someone who explicitly refuses to listen to contrary opinions and who tells other posters "fuck you" would have been banned. The post to which I assume you refer was my attempt to get her to calm down, because I absolutely did not want to have to ban a victim of child abuse in a thread about pedophilia. But if she continued to say "fuck you" to other members and refuse to engage in civilized discussion, I personally would have felt obligated to do so.
Her position was anti-pedo and anti-molestation. It’s the only valid one. There’s no debate here, freak.

nudemacusers

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6045 on: October 22, 2017, 10:59:14 AM »
Opiate was I in your top 10 favorite posters?

Please consider this question carefully, I have my systems of self worth tied to this answer.
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Widdle Puppy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6046 on: October 22, 2017, 11:00:13 AM »
Kinda crazy how it all went down.  Goes to show how poorly moderated that place was when your userbase can use just turn on you like that.  Tyler never really fostered a healthy, collaborative culture in recent years.

Hey, he fostered that environment. Cater to ultra-Social Studies Warriors and they will turn on you the second they find out that you're not the paragon of virtue they imagined you to be.

Yeah, all he needed to do is say I was drunk, did dumb things, apologized. Let's move on.  It's funny how GAF became so puritanically unforgiving.

Oh gosh, don't say that. Next thing you know sobriety will be a requirement of the website. Let the purity tests begin!

I actually like Evilore.  He's obviously far from a perfect dude and has some issues with having an ultra thin skin.  But recent posts of his have shown that he knows where the site ended up and basically was not sure how to stop it.  But he created a Frankenstein monster that turned on him.

Also, I think Bish will be back to him salvage what's left. He was his closest bro on the site

Bish would not be the one to salvage that site. Hell, he was one of the main people that turned that place into the echo chamber it was.

I am kind of happy all this shit is going down because it may result in a better Neogaf without all the shitty narrative. EviLore just needs to provide a sincere and honest explanation. If that causes a mass exodus then that's fine, those people that leave are what made NeoGAF simply intolerable in the first place.

NeoGAF is fine for talking about videogames and off topic garbage, but it sure did make you feel like you had a huge fucking target on your back if you said something that didn't fit in (and we are not even talking about historically offensive viewpoints, you could simply go bye bye for having a contrasting opinion that most normal people wouldn't bat an eye at).
for instance?

All you had to say was that you voted for Trump and you would get banned.
good

Did you ever hear of that? "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it", it's your way of thinking that creates an echo chamber with only way of thinking and it seems you are carrying your awesome way of thinking here too.

Have you ever heard of the paradox "In order for there to be peace you have to be prepared for war?" Or "In order for there to be tolerance, the tolerable must be intolerant of the intolerable?" Why on earth should should one defend the rights of another who is actively advocating for the former's demise? Tolerance of all speech isn't some moral law, it's a social contract that's relative to the situation as long as everyone abides by it. If someone is associating with or, if brazenly enough cause it's 2017 and look who is president, advocating for the destruction and oppression of another of course you're going to get attacked for it.

Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

brob

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6047 on: October 22, 2017, 11:01:40 AM »
sorry if this has been covered in the last 50+ pages, but is gaf just permanently down now? I kept up with several of the fighting game threads there and I would like at least enough access to find out where key people end up migrating to.

Sai

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6048 on: October 22, 2017, 11:02:11 AM »
You know, it really hit me as I’m finally exhausted and need sleep.

I put too much time and effort into caring about any of this shit. I could’ve been spending all this time making fun of NeoGAF and Tyler and all this bullshit doing something actually productive with my time but I have no value or purpose to guide me through the day and I latch on to the most low-energy inconsequential things to just have a reason to keep moving. My life is garbage and I’m everything I hated and made fun of about NeoGAF users. Man, I guess I should kill myself. What a depressing day. Goodbye forever. It’s been awful.

is this an eightbitnate post?
ilysm

Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6049 on: October 22, 2017, 11:03:26 AM »
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How do we know you're the real beep boop android we know? :thinking

I suppose I could log in to NeoGAF (if it ever comes back up) and post some sort of cryptic message as proof, but it is true that one of the downsides of internet anonymity is that it becomes difficult to prove ones identity should it ever become necessary.

I also think I'd be an odd choice to imitate if someone wanted to come here and impersonate a mod, both because I wasn't there until the very end and because (for most people) my speech patterns would be particularly difficult to imitate. Regardless, it is I.

If it truly is you, what was your name on Diablo III on PC?
We used to play that a bunch back in the auction house days.
You also used to play in your dad's account a lot. What was his name on there?


ileflottante

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6050 on: October 22, 2017, 11:04:02 AM »

Another ex gaf poster in here. I didn't post as much as I was because of how the community changed. What has emerged is how pathetic Evilore is. Part of why this statement is taking so long is I think that he realizes now that he might actually have to hold a job. NeoGAF was curated by him, but it did not grow and allow him to not have to work because of the quality of the posting from him. I always felt that Evilore said a lot of stupid shit, but you could never challenge him as the bans in gaf were often so petty. The fact that bans could never be discussed and threads closed when it was discovered that long term posters were gone for little to no reason. When the forum started to neuter the sports threads was when I posting count went down completely where I was mostly lurking since.

It is good to see some familiar faces here who were great GAF posters and were let go for stupid reasons. I don't know if I will go back if the GAF servers come back. Evilore is a colossal idiot given how he fucked his golden goose and will probably not recover from. No more trips to the Nurbergring, Evilore.

Clockwork

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6051 on: October 22, 2017, 11:04:26 AM »
Have you ever heard of the paradox "In order for there to be peace you have to be prepared for war?" Or "In order for there to be tolerance, the tolerable must be intolerant of the intolerable?" Why on earth should should one defend the rights of another who is actively advocating for the former's demise? Tolerance of all speech isn't some moral law, it's a social contract that's relative to the situation as long as everyone abides by it. If someone is associating with or, if brazenly enough cause it's 2017 and look who is president, advocating for the destruction and oppression of another of course you're going to get attacked for it.

Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

So my cancer statement was accurate then? At least have some friggin self awareness. NeoGAF is where it is today because of people having the mindset you do.

If EviLore was at least honest and transparent about what happened then rational minds might have given him a pass. But the cult of intolerence that was bred on that site has grown so strong that this has not happened and his own people have turned on him.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 11:11:02 AM by Clockwork »

brobuzz

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6052 on: October 22, 2017, 11:04:49 AM »
Since we have former moderators of GAF on here, please tell me how the other moderators responded to/debated the public revelation that Besada engaged in purging out long-time users from GAF based on his personal animosity or just wrong-think?

Surely that most have triggered intense debate amongst the sophisticate group of high-minded individuals?

I don't feel it's my place to name names, but I will stress that I was strongly against Besada's position and so were a few other moderators. Not necessarily the majority, however.

What made the conversation more awkward was that most of us superficially agreed with Besada -- for example, I am personally liberal and identify as a feminist. I am "on his side," as it were. But that doesn't mean I believe alternative viewpoints should be purged, and it is that issue which personally divided me from some other moderators.

It's also worth appreciating their perspective here. Take an extreme example to see what I mean: let's imagine some poster was openly a Nazi, and not in the vague way it's often used now, but literally a Nazi advocating for the extermination of Jews. Would I support that person's right to spread their views on NeoGAF? No, I would not have. There is a line, and it looks like this forum also has lines. The question is where you draw that line. From their perspective, they were keeping cruel/bad positions off of NeoGAF: from my perspective I believe the line was drawn far too aggressively, curbing all sorts of dissonant views. Perhaps worst of all, certain wrong or bigoted views were excommunicated, but other wrong views were not, simply because those bigoted views happen to leftist ones, or which appealed to leftist sensibilities. For example, you might see someone engaging in misogyny be banned, but someone engaging in misandry would not be. These wrinkles made the conversation difficult to engage in, because it's hard to impress on someone that you agree with their conclusions but not the manner in which they are executing on those conclusions.
Not towing the company line was probably one of the main reasons you got demodded. Nothing you're saying is shocking, the fact the mods created this extreme-left environment has been evident for years.

Honestly, if you have any juicy mod forum leaks/screenshots I'd just post them now. Not like there's any bridges left to burn and I'd be really interested to see which people were exactly responsible for pushing this agenda.

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6053 on: October 22, 2017, 11:05:36 AM »
Her position was anti-pedo and anti-molestation. It’s the only valid one. There’s no debate here, freak.

Again, this might be an unresolvable point of disagreement, here. I am personally less concerned with someone's conclusions and far more concerned with the manner by which they reach those conclusions and how they convey them.

One constant point of frustration for me -- both on the internet forums I have moderated and in real life -- is that people have difficulty believing I agree with their conclusions but not their methods, or the basis upon which they reached those conclusions.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 11:15:16 AM by Opiate »

FStop7

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6054 on: October 22, 2017, 11:05:40 AM »
Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

 :woody

Neogaf community’s leftness is as fake as Evilore.

EightBitNate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6055 on: October 22, 2017, 11:06:09 AM »
sorry if this has been covered in the last 50+ pages, but is gaf just permanently down now? I kept up with several of the fighting game threads there and I would like at least enough access to find out where key people end up migrating to.

I doubt it. It’s heen 12 hours since he brought it down. He was supposed to make a statement about the whole thing but never did (possibly consulting with lawyers). Some people believe we’ll get a “NeoGAF is under new management” post in order to try and keep the site afloat. Communities like this never bounce back, though, so if it does go back online, I’d try working with all the communities you’re involved with to find a new place to talk.

Lothar

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6056 on: October 22, 2017, 11:06:18 AM »
Neogaf community was openly left. The site did not want conservative posters or anyone who sympathized with ideologies in that sphere. It was also not a place for centrists or fence sitters which was also good but you could still post on the site as one. It wasn't some free speech Libertarian playground nor do I think this is a good quality to have for any forum.

Yep, a bubble for the most sensitive people of the internet who believed everyone outside of their bubble was crazy and evil.  It was so hilarious how shocked they were election night that Trump was getting any votes at all.  Why people would put any value in being inside a echo chamber is beyond me.

Sapiens

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6057 on: October 22, 2017, 11:06:58 AM »
GAF still down?  Wherever will I get the latest news on fine YUM! Brands and Sony products?

And Disney's LucasFilm's StarWars.

I wonder how much kickback tyler got for all the burger and disney threads that were created non-stop.

Widdle Puppy

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6058 on: October 22, 2017, 11:07:18 AM »
I see... I'm not blind to there having been many silly bans at Neogaf. I was banned for two weeks for calling a guy a "dope" when he first called me a "dumbass." He walked out of the exchange scot-free. Old member with a cool tag and mod friends. It was silly but I didn't care and wasn't offended or sensitive about it like a lot of people are when banned from GAF. I would say most perma bans there were deserved. There were some that might not have deserved losing their account but most bans there were justifiable and you really had little to worry about there as long as you didn't call people names and showed them respect like you would someone in person. It wasn't perfect and yes it was an echo chamber but it was one of the few active places where you could go to avoid scummy GGs and similar tier posters.

Based on what would you believe most perma bans were deserved?  They were so secretive about it, didn't want anyone to know why people were banned or for how long.  Why would put trust in that?  I can give you at least one thread where everyone in it was perma banned just for saying the site slogan was lame.  That last sentence is a myth.  Typical Gaf brainwashing propaganda making you believe everyone not on Gaf was a GG and Trump lover.
The lack of transparency was unfortunate. I will say racist and bigoted content was taken down in haste. I stick by my point that as long as you were reasonably respectful and didn't call people names you had little to worry about regarding a ban. I see your point though. There were some stupid bans handed out.

I was perm banned after the election for saying it might be a bad idea to write off all white people who voted for Trump.  I hate trump and did not vote for him, I was on gaf since 2004, and I even had a beer with evilore once, on the night of his infamous times square cam adventure.

They absolutely banned people for little to no reason.  That's basically why this site exists
A permaban for that does sound harsh and if that was all you said and had a clean history on the site otherwise you didn't deserve that ban

but I wouldn't have had a problem with the echo chamber there dog piling on you for saying that.

Opiate

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Re: TheBore Safe Haven from GAF Alt-Right Mods - *THE STATEMENT*
« Reply #6059 on: October 22, 2017, 11:07:23 AM »
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How do we know you're the real beep boop android we know? :thinking

I suppose I could log in to NeoGAF (if it ever comes back up) and post some sort of cryptic message as proof, but it is true that one of the downsides of internet anonymity is that it becomes difficult to prove ones identity should it ever become necessary.

I also think I'd be an odd choice to imitate if someone wanted to come here and impersonate a mod, both because I wasn't there until the very end and because (for most people) my speech patterns would be particularly difficult to imitate. Regardless, it is I.

If it truly is you, what was your name on Diablo III on PC?
We used to play that a bunch back in the auction house days.
You also used to play in your dad's account a lot. What was his name on there?

My battle tag is Verse, and most of my characters also had that name. My father's battletag is Ikemu.