Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[Himu]

Jason claims to be an rpg fan but has never really played a Dragon Quest in earnest. He's one of those journalists who claims to be an expert in games but surprisingly has played jack shit. The one thing I like about him is that he's a Suikoden fan.

[Nuitangg]

I just see Ted Cruz when I look at Jason Schreier.

[John Dunbar]

Seems like people have fractured off into 4 communities: the secretive discord group, The Bore, Slaent, and waypoint.vice.

This is exactly what happened with Alexander the Great. He built an empire of boy lovers and it fractured in to warring kingdoms overnight.

this is the worst break up since yugoslavia.

[Rocky]

Besada and Cerium involved with newgaf. 

“Hey lets not address any of the problems from before!”

This makes me so angry. Now would be the perfect opportunity for a fresh start. Why not assemble a couple of smart former members and create a new forum without the baggage?

Because most of those mods need some form of power in order to feel good about themselves.  Else they'd be sitting around being depressed all day.

[Kurt Russell]

Seems like people have fractured off into 4 communities: the secretive discord group, The Bore, Slaent, and waypoint.vice.

Bronie GAF, Normie GAF, Woke GAF and Hipster GAF

[Boredfrom]

Jason Schreier reaction to Kotaku's article :

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

HALF A WEEKEND ? SHOE IN FOR PULITZER !

Schreier is such an insufferable asshole. "I ignored the accusations because GamerGate and babygoats"? Nobody expected him to blindly believe anything, but that's such a weak excuse, especially for a supposed journalist. It wouldn't have been hard to verify that shit. I witnessed the Europe story first hand, thousands of people have seen that shit, and after reading about the nude pics story in a suicide post, it took me three minutes on Google to verify those claims.

No one here really bought the current episode initially until Poly showed up for similar reasons tho

Everybody knew about the Euro Incident, thought. Everybody knew about stuff like Besada banning sprees or Amirox getting hushed.

[omensetter]

if you think about it Evilore is basically Oda Nobunaga, 16th century daimyo of Japan. He tried to invade a space where he wasn't welcome (Korea/the shower), he was brought down after one of his most faithful retainers rebelled against him (Akechi Mitsuhide/Bobby Roberts), and then factional rivalries and feuding warlords split the kingdom for centuries.

[Dennis]

How is Besada going to explain hushing up Amir0x to all the woke new members of his new forum?

[BlackMage]

Seems like people have fractured off into 4 communities: the secretive discord group, The Bore, Slaent, and waypoint.vice.

Bronie GAF, Normie GAF, Woke GAF and Hipster GAF

The bore is prison gaf cause we use carton of cigarettes as currency and buttfuck each other

[Boredfrom]

How is Besada going to explain hushing up Amir0x to all the woke new members of his new forum?

Ban

[Opiate]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

[Blair]

How is Besada going to explain hushing up Amir0x to all the woke new members of his new forum?

He didn't know his real name and he didn't like him

Done, move on please

[radioheadrule83]

I'm trying to imaging how discussion on the girl would go if it were on GAF and I'm pretty sure anyone casting aspersions on her character would be met with "HOW DARE you question the victim" type talk.

The fact this girl had a boyfriend at the time, and was being driven to other cities by a wealthy forum owner to drink and party was a red flag. The fact she admits entering a physical relationship with him later is another. She's finished that relationship with him in what, 2005 - and just now opening up to friends about the ordeal? Getting in the shower after the girl had vomited and stuff was high on the creep-factor scale, but to be fair, on her own account of things he backed out when told to. You can go out in any city in the world and see unwanted advances where people have to try a lot harder to get people to fuck off. I'm not saying that makes it excusable or that such behaviour is a good thing, definitely not by GAF OT standards, but relatively speaking, EL's behaviour is a misdemeanour he could have easily played down or damage controlled.

I don't know him. I know a few of the BritGAF guys met him on a meet, I think one or two of them said he seemed ok. Feels to me like his achilles heel is his ego for sure. He's not defended himself. Hasn't given his side of the story. Sounds like he tried to win the mods over and censor it as a first resort. It's like he's got no true honest friends advising him. The victim here claims it affected her relationship, that it led to a break up and stuff. If that's true he might owe her an apology. He might not have known it had that affect on her.. but letting the internet take him to town while he just sits with the site in maintenance mode

I wonder if Jason Schreier has ever hopped in the shower or copped a feel. Bet he's no saint. Nobody is.

[Sugar Pie Honey Bunch]

All of these offshoots are DOA. Message boards in general are done, for the most part.

Nah.  The "super secret discord" (not really; just check Waypoint) has like 1150 people already.

Wow, over one thousand people talking about the train wreck they just witnessed? That's amazing!  Message boards are done. You'll always have your Reddits, your Chans, your SAs, and other collectives that serve up multiple forums which cover a wide spectrum interests, but the days of single dedicated forums like Neogaf are just about over. The majority of these places don't even cover their own server costs anymore.

[CatsCatsCats]

Wait Vom you witnessed the Euro thing?

[seagrams hotsauce]

How is Besada going to explain hushing up Amir0x to all the woke new members of his new forum?

Ban

Nah he'll just pass the buck and say the final choice was lore's like Opiate did itt earlier

[Himu]

if you think about it Evilore is basically Oda Nobunaga, 16th century daimyo of Japan. He tried to invade a space where he wasn't welcome (Korea/the shower), he was brought down after one of his most faithful retainers rebelled against him (Akechi Mitsuhide/Bobby Roberts), and then factional rivalries and feuding warlords split the kingdom for centuries.

Who is his Ranmaru Mori?

[thisismyusername]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

Fuck off, pedo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He was outed as a Pedo like you were, but by Mulder and Scully. Evilore did MariahCareyIDon'tKnowHer.gif and nuked any theads mentioning it.

[close]

No, seriously: Fuck off.

[knux-future]

if you think about it Evilore is basically Oda Nobunaga, 16th century daimyo of Japan. He tried to invade a space where he wasn't welcome (Korea/the shower), he was brought down after one of his most faithful retainers rebelled against him (Akechi Mitsuhide/Bobby Roberts), and then factional rivalries and feuding warlords split the kingdom for centuries.

Who is his Ranmaru Mori?

amirox

[Opiate]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

Fuck off, pedo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He was outed as a Pedo like you were, but by Mulder and Scully. Evilore did MariahCareyIDon'tKnowHer.gif and nuked any theads mentioning it.

[close]

No, seriously: Fuck off.

This doesn't really answer the question. I'm asking what the "hushing" was about. Wasn't Amirox banned? Are we saying there was a temporary lag between the permanent ban and the initial revelation? How do you distinguish between "hushing up" and simply "waiting for actual confirmation before rampant, rabid speculation?"

[Kurt Russell]

Fuck off, pedo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He was outed as a Pedo like you were, but by Mulder and Scully. Evilore did MariahCareyIDon'tKnowHer.gif and nuked any theads mentioning it.

[close]

No, seriously: Fuck off.

Tell us how you really feel

[nudemacusers]

Seems like people have fractured off into 4 communities: the secretive discord group, The Bore, Slaent, and waypoint.vice.

Bronie GAF, Normie GAF, Woke GAF and Hipster GAF

The bore is prison gaf cause we use carton of cigarettes as currency and buttfuck each other

Wow, I haven’t gotten any of this 😔

[Let's Cyber]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

After the initial news broke, lots of posts about Ami started popping up in OT and community threads. Mods locked/deleted per usual with meta stuff.

 EviLore was finally pushed to making a statement, in which he lied and claimed he didn't know Ami's real name. Initially there were a few threads were it was ok to discuss the matter.

A few days later, any new posts or pertaining to or involving Amir0x were deleted. A few weeks later, they'd perma you for even mentioning his name.

[thisismyusername]

See: I don't know her.gif and nuking.

That's the "hushing." Evilore did not want that shit on the boards. If you can't understand that, well... that's on you, pedo.

[el gringo blanco]

besada doesn't have it in him to orchestrate the creation of a new forum. it'd detract from his valuable time spent drinking butter milk.

[omensetter]

if you think about it Evilore is basically Oda Nobunaga, 16th century daimyo of Japan. He tried to invade a space where he wasn't welcome (Korea/the shower), he was brought down after one of his most faithful retainers rebelled against him (Akechi Mitsuhide/Bobby Roberts), and then factional rivalries and feuding warlords split the kingdom for centuries.

Who is his Ranmaru Mori?

Besada committed forum seppuku after Lore was outed so he could have been a good candidate

[seagrams hotsauce]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

Fuck off, pedo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He was outed as a Pedo like you were, but by Mulder and Scully. Evilore did MariahCareyIDon'tKnowHer.gif and nuked any theads mentioning it.

[close]

No, seriously: Fuck off.

This doesn't really answer the question. I'm asking what the "hushing" was about.

what do you not get? Ami got arrested for kiddie porn, lore mad a brief post claiming to not know him like that, thread was locked shortly thereafter and almost every day after someone would reference it and like 6 people would go "wait what?"

[Billy Big Bollocks]

All of these offshoots are DOA. Message boards in general are done, for the most part.

which is a shame, really, because talking about nigh on anything on social media is a fucking mess.

 An active message board with a reasonable mod team and a good layout (sorry reddit) is still the best way to gather info and talk about stuff online. think I'm going to go buy a cabin in wyoming and shoot at planes if continue to die out.

[Boredfrom]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

After the initial news broke, lots of posts about Ami started popping up in OT and community threads. Mods locked/deleted per usual with meta stuff.

 EviLore was finally pushed to making a statement, in which he lied and claimed he didn't know Ami's real name. Initially there were a few threads were it was ok to discuss the matter.

A few days later, any new posts or pertaining to or involving Amir0x were deleted. A few weeks later, they'd perma you for even mentioning his name.

And this was not the straw that broke the camel's back for the moderation team.

[radioheadrule83]

Jason Schreier reaction to Kotaku's article :

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

HALF A WEEKEND ? SHOE IN FOR PULITZER !

Schreier is such an insufferable asshole. "I ignored the accusations because GamerGate and babygoats"? Nobody expected him to blindly believe anything, but that's such a weak excuse, especially for a supposed journalist. It wouldn't have been hard to verify that shit. I witnessed the Europe story first hand, thousands of people have seen that shit, and after reading about the nude pics story in a suicide post, it took me three minutes on Google to verify those claims.

What's the Europe story and the suicide post story?

[Himu]

if you think about it Evilore is basically Oda Nobunaga, 16th century daimyo of Japan. He tried to invade a space where he wasn't welcome (Korea/the shower), he was brought down after one of his most faithful retainers rebelled against him (Akechi Mitsuhide/Bobby Roberts), and then factional rivalries and feuding warlords split the kingdom for centuries.

Who is his Ranmaru Mori?

amirox

Ranmaru died in the fires though.

[Opiate]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

Fuck off, pedo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He was outed as a Pedo like you were, but by Mulder and Scully. Evilore did MariahCareyIDon'tKnowHer.gif and nuked any theads mentioning it.

[close]

No, seriously: Fuck off.

This doesn't really answer the question. I'm asking what the "hushing" was about.

what do you not get? Ami got arrested for kiddie porn, lore mad a brief post claiming to not know him like that, thread was locked shortly thereafter and almost every day after someone would reference it and like 6 people would go "wait what?"

I don't get the hushing since the only thing I know about it is that Amirox was pretty promptly permanently banned. That doesn't seem like hushing, to me.

[helios]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

Fuck off, pedo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He was outed as a Pedo like you were, but by Mulder and Scully. Evilore did MariahCareyIDon'tKnowHer.gif and nuked any theads mentioning it.

[close]

No, seriously: Fuck off.

This doesn't really answer the question. I'm asking what the "hushing" was about.

what do you not get? Ami got arrested for kiddie porn, lore mad a brief post claiming to not know him like that, thread was locked shortly thereafter and almost every day after someone would reference it and like 6 people would go "wait what?"

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[Himu]

if you think about it Evilore is basically Oda Nobunaga, 16th century daimyo of Japan. He tried to invade a space where he wasn't welcome (Korea/the shower), he was brought down after one of his most faithful retainers rebelled against him (Akechi Mitsuhide/Bobby Roberts), and then factional rivalries and feuding warlords split the kingdom for centuries.

Who is his Ranmaru Mori?

Besada committed forum seppuku after Lore was outed so he could have been a good candidate

Besada was def about that Lore dick so he's our guy.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

Fuck off, pedo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He was outed as a Pedo like you were, but by Mulder and Scully. Evilore did MariahCareyIDon'tKnowHer.gif and nuked any theads mentioning it.

[close]

No, seriously: Fuck off.

This doesn't really answer the question. I'm asking what the "hushing" was about.

what do you not get? Ami got arrested for kiddie porn, lore mad a brief post claiming to not know him like that, thread was locked shortly thereafter and almost every day after someone would reference it and like 6 people would go "wait what?"

I don't get the hushing since the only thing I know about it is that Amirox was pretty promptly permanently banned. That doesn't seem like hushing, to me.

What does banning someone have to do with the attempt at shutting down any discussion about his charges? That's the 'hushing' people are talking about ya dunce

[Nola]

All of these offshoots are DOA. Message boards in general are done, for the most part.

Nah.  The "super secret discord" (not really; just check Waypoint) has like 1150 people already.

Wow, over one thousand people talking about the train wreck they just witnessed? That's amazing!  Message boards are done. You'll always have your Reddits, your Chans, your SAs, and other collectives that serve up multiple forums which cover a wide spectrum interests, but the days of single dedicated forums like Neogaf are just about over. The majority of these places don't even cover their own server costs anymore.

I think the other barrier is I have yet to see a community message board successfully scale up without turning to shit? Are there any examples? We focus on GAF here but I haven't really seen any place get it right so to speak.

I honestly can not think of a single place that has managed it? Even places like Reddit that have solid sub forums are typically because they are not highly populated(thinking of niche hobbies or places like NeutralPolitics).

[thisismyusername]

"Hushing" = nuking the threads and ALL discussion about Pedr0x, you bleeting pedo bot. Update your street slang, Jesus.

[Widdle Puppy]

discussion about the banning and amirox was the hushing. it wasn't allowed during and after the controversy.

[John Dunbar]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

After the initial news broke, lots of posts about Ami started popping up in OT and community threads. Mods locked/deleted per usual with meta stuff.

 EviLore was finally pushed to making a statement, in which he lied and claimed he didn't know Ami's real name. Initially there were a few threads were it was ok to discuss the matter.

A few days later, any new posts or pertaining to or involving Amir0x were deleted. A few weeks later, they'd perma you for even mentioning his name.

not one to defend evilore, but is that really what he said? as i recall, he said that moderators didn't know his name, not that he didn't know it. i am pretty sure it wasn't evilore personally deleting the first threads about amir0x getting busted. i can believe that most of the moderation team probably didn't know his name or what he looked like.

[injurai]

All of these offshoots are DOA. Message boards in general are done, for the most part.

which is a shame, really, because talking about nigh on anything on social media is a fucking mess.

 An active message board with a reasonable mod team and a good layout (sorry reddit) is still the best way to gather info and talk about stuff online. think I'm going to go buy a cabin in wyoming and shoot at planes if continue to die out.

Rumor has it normal maintain social groups, where they share stuff through the air between them.

[Boredfrom]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

Fuck off, pedo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He was outed as a Pedo like you were, but by Mulder and Scully. Evilore did MariahCareyIDon'tKnowHer.gif and nuked any theads mentioning it.

[close]

No, seriously: Fuck off.

This doesn't really answer the question. I'm asking what the "hushing" was about. Wasn't Amirox banned? Are we saying there was a temporary lag between the permanent ban and the initial revelation? How do you distinguish between "hushing up" and simply "waiting for actual confirmation before rampant, rabid speculation?"

There was also a news article about a pedophile being arrested with a photo of Amirox on it. That's how people identify him.

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

You're aware that he pled guilty to child pornography charges, right? When that information surfaced, it was removed from the forums and bans were handed out. Amirox' account was banned and some of his posts that were lascivious in retrospect were deleted. Eventually, Evilore made a brief statement, disavowing knowledge of amirox' behavior and character. He admitted that amirox was a mod at one point, but said it was over a decade ago (lie) and that amirox' name wasn't on file (which seems to imply he didn't know amirox personally - lie, evilore donated 1k to help amirox' mother when she was ill). After that statement, all future discussions of amirox, including new articles related to his trial, were not allowed.

Evilore's statement: https://archive.is/VGJkM#selection-97.1-105.36

[Dougstyles]

Schreier has been a slimy piece of shit for as long as he's been around. Posting 4chan photoshops as legit news and telling fucking forum posters to do his job and prove they were bullshit (surprise! they were), calling George Kamitani a 14 year-old boy for his art, refusing to cover a story about Ubisoft giving journos free shit at a junket because it "wasn't newsworthy" while unboxing video and articles about ~lol so randum~ Oreo cookies went up on his site.

He's the worst kind of enthusiast blogger masquerading as a journalist. Fuck him.

[Opiate]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

After the initial news broke, lots of posts about Ami started popping up in OT and community threads. Mods locked/deleted per usual with meta stuff.

 EviLore was finally pushed to making a statement, in which he lied and claimed he didn't know Ami's real name. Initially there were a few threads were it was ok to discuss the matter.

A few days later, any new posts or pertaining to or involving Amir0x were deleted. A few weeks later, they'd perma you for even mentioning his name.

I suppose when I imagine labeling something as "hushing," I imagine a person getting away scott free and all reference to his bad behavior becoming verboten. An actual example here might be Evilore's behavior in Spain.

But Amirox was permanently banned: I don't really know what more the moderation staff is supposed to do to punish him. They don't have powers outside of GAF. If you're simply saying they didn't allow people to discuss it, that sounds more like "not trusting people to behave like adults when discussing a provocative topic," rather than "hushing," but our definitions may differ.

[Himu]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

Fuck off, pedo.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He was outed as a Pedo like you were, but by Mulder and Scully. Evilore did MariahCareyIDon'tKnowHer.gif and nuked any theads mentioning it.

[close]

No, seriously: Fuck off.

This doesn't really answer the question. I'm asking what the "hushing" was about.

what do you not get? Ami got arrested for kiddie porn, lore mad a brief post claiming to not know him like that, thread was locked shortly thereafter and almost every day after someone would reference it and like 6 people would go "wait what?"

I don't get the hushing since the only thing I know about it is that Amirox was pretty promptly permanently banned. That doesn't seem like hushing, to me.

Okay, for the last fucking time, mods closed and deleted every thread or mention of Amirox and banned (perma) any mention of the incident. It was hushed you dumb, fucking, robot.

Mods please change any and all Opiate posts to 010110101010 sequence if at all possible from henceforth for the love of GOD.

[Clockwork]

It is also pretty fucking opportunist for some of these people to try and start a new site, looking for that EviLore recognition, power, and and potential ad money.

The more disgusting thing is half of these folks are doing it so that they can continue on the shit path NeoGAF was headed with heavy handed moderation and echo chamber group think. This was evident before geonaf shut itself down...it was already handing out bans and nuking threads. The funny thing is they don't even think they are the real problem. No, it was that bad guy EviLore (which may be true, I don't really have an opinion on that) who "assaulted" this woman nevermind the fact that just a short while later she was (via self admission) likely slobbing his knob and being penetrated by him.

What a monster!

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Cerium - Today at 6:03 PM
@everyone Progress on the new forum is going well, we have secured hosting and are waiting for the server to come online. Assuming no unforeseen complications, we should be up and running by tomorrow.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Like I said earlier in this thread, any rational person (even without the new info coming to light) would have written this off as some socially distinguished mentally-challenged incident for which although slightly offensive and disgusting really isn't worth destroying EviLore over or nuking NeoGAF.

The problem is that the culture that has permeated over there is anything but rational and unfortunately EviLore is now paying the price for it.

I'd be perfectly fine if the site opened tomorrow with revised moderation. Hopefully it would also mean the virtue signaling shit tards that have that much of a problem problem with what happened (mah sexual assaaaault...reeeeee!) stay away as well.

tbqhfam, I think had Evilore been open and honest about this, the drama would have ended then and there.  "I fucked up, I'm sorry" would have been enough.  However he is such a fucktard that he created a convoluted story about cults and love triangles instead.  Then it was too late for him to issue a statement at all and now a few media outlets are reporting on it.  A half assed mea culpa could have ended all of it but that would mean Evilore would have to show empathy and self awareness, which he has neither of those.  Shit, he wouldn't have even needed to step down or go to "rehab."  Not posting a couple of sentences cost him millions of dollars of lost passive income.

Or alternate theory: Evilore has done this to other girls and was freaking out that others would come forward so he decided to flee until the whole thing blows over

[hampster]

Rumor has it normal maintain social groups, where they share stuff through the air between them.

Disgusting. All those germs and shit

[Kurt Russell]

Okay, for the last fucking time, mods closed and deleted every thread or mention of Amirox and banned (perma) any mention of the incident. It was hushed you dumb, fucking, robot.

Mods please change any and all Opiate posts to 010110101010 sequence if at all possible from henceforth for the love of GOD.

Not to look like I'm defending GAF, but is there a chance that they *had* to say as little as possible and nuke any mention of Amirox due to the ongoing trial?

[Nuitangg]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

You're aware that he pled guilty to child pornography charges, right? When that information surfaced, it was removed from the forums and bans were handed out. Amirox' account was banned and some of his posts that were lascivious in retrospect were deleted. Eventually, Evilore made a brief statement, disavowing knowledge of amirox' behavior and character. He admitted that amirox was a mod at one point, but said it was over a decade ago (lie) and that amirox' name wasn't on file (which seems to imply he didn't know amirox personally - lie, evilore donated 1k to help amirox' mother when she was ill). After that statement, all future discussions of amirox, including new articles related to his trial, were not allowed.

Evilore's statement: https://archive.is/VGJkM#selection-97.1-105.36

Yes!  He had that silly Bowie avatar when he made that post.

[Opiate]

not one to defend evilore, but is that really what he said? as i recall, he said that moderators didn't know his name, not that he didn't know it. i am pretty sure it wasn't evilore personally deleting the first threads about amir0x getting busted. i can believe that most of the moderation team probably didn't know his name or what he looked like.

That would be correct. I was one of the few moderators to explicitly seek out first names: most were comfortable using aliases and no further life exposition was requested. At least one moderator (who shall remain nameless) explicitly scolded me for using his first name in the moderator channel. I am not remotely that private, but I suppose others are, and that's fine. Regardless, perfectly believable that many moderators would not have known Amirox's name, first or last.

[thisismyusername]

suppose when I imagine labeling something as "hushing," I imagine a person getting away scott free and all reference to his bad behavior becoming verboten.

Put this into your data banks, beep boop: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hush #3, download it.

There's even a Buffy episode if you need to update your wordbanks to where "hush" means "quiet."

[Blair]

It is also pretty fucking opportunist for some of these people to try and start a new site, looking for that EviLore recognition, power, and and potential ad money.

The more disgusting thing is half of these folks are doing it so that they can continue on the shit path NeoGAF was headed with heavy handed moderation and echo chamber group think. This wad evident before geonaf shut itself down...it was already handing out bans and nuking threads. The funny thing id they don't even think they ate the real problem. No, it was that bad guy EviLore (which may be true, I don't really have an opinion on that) who "assaulted" this woman nevermind the fact that just a short while later she was (via self admission) likely slobbing his knob and being penetrated by him.

What a monster!

Any forum that has any association with neogaf will never gain any clout in the game industry. Not a good look to capitulate to a baying mob of what the rest of the internet percieve as 'rapey pedos'

[Boredfrom]

Can someone explain the "hushing" of Amirox for me? I obviously was not around then (I really did leave this entire world behind for a year+, and I'm here because a friend mentioned the cataclysm had arrived).

After the initial news broke, lots of posts about Ami started popping up in OT and community threads. Mods locked/deleted per usual with meta stuff.

 EviLore was finally pushed to making a statement, in which he lied and claimed he didn't know Ami's real name. Initially there were a few threads were it was ok to discuss the matter.

A few days later, any new posts or pertaining to or involving Amir0x were deleted. A few weeks later, they'd perma you for even mentioning his name.

I suppose when I imagine labeling something as "hushing," I imagine a person getting away scott free and all reference to his bad behavior becoming verboten. An actual example here might be Evilore's behavior in Spain.

But Amirox was permanently banned: I don't really know what more the moderation staff is supposed to do to punish him. They don't have powers outside of GAF. If you're simply saying they didn't allow people to discuss it, that sounds more like "not trusting people to behave like adults when discussing a provocative topic," rather than "hushing," but our definitions may differ.

Dude, come on. People started to give you the benefit of doubt.

[CatsCatsCats]

Like I said earlier in this thread, any rational person (even without the new info coming to light) would have written this off as some socially distinguished mentally-challenged incident for which although slightly offensive and disgusting really isn't worth destroying EviLore over or nuking NeoGAF.

The problem is that the culture that has permeated over there is anything but rational and unfortunately EviLore is now paying the price for it.

I'd be perfectly fine if the site opened tomorrow with revised moderation. Hopefully it would also mean the virtue signaling shit tards that have that much of a problem problem with what happened (mah sexual assaaaault...reeeeee!) stay away as well.

tbqhfam, I think had Evilore been open and honest about this, the drama would have ended then and there.  "I fucked up, I'm sorry" would have been enough.  However he is such a fucktard that he created a convoluted story about cults and love triangles instead.  Then it was too late for him to issue a statement at all and now a few media outlets are reporting on it.  A half assed mea culpa could have ended all of it but that would mean Evilore would have to show empathy and self awareness, which he has neither of those.  Shit, he wouldn't have even needed to step down or go to "rehab."  Not posting a couple of sentences cost him millions of dollars of lost passive income.

Or alternate theory: Evilore has done this to other girls and was freaking out that others would come forward so he decided to flee until the whole thing blows over

Your alternate theory seems plausible when take into “the Euro incident”

[John Dunbar]

Okay, for the last fucking time, mods closed and deleted every thread or mention of Amirox and banned (perma) any mention of the incident. It was hushed you dumb, fucking, robot.

Mods please change any and all Opiate posts to 010110101010 sequence if at all possible from henceforth for the love of GOD.

Not to look like I'm defending GAF, but is there a chance that they *had* to say as little as possible and nuke any mention of Amirox due to the ongoing trial?

what, the cops called evilore and told him to delete all posts about amir0x?

makes sense.

[VomKriege]

Wait Vom you witnessed the Euro thing?

In what sense (isn't it wsippel who said that) ? Physically ? Nah.
I don't remember really. I have been aware  of the incident for quite some time. Maybe from the original post or shortly thereafter. I do think I read Lore's message about how he got scammed via the classic "escort bar billing champagne at obscene prices" in Turkey directly on GAF (if only because it is often less discussed).

[Himu]

Okay, for the last fucking time, mods closed and deleted every thread or mention of Amirox and banned (perma) any mention of the incident. It was hushed you dumb, fucking, robot.

Mods please change any and all Opiate posts to 010110101010 sequence if at all possible from henceforth for the love of GOD.

Not to look like I'm defending GAF, but is there a chance that they *had* to say as little as possible and nuke any mention of Amirox due to the ongoing trial?

Doubt that's the case. All was said was the basic acknowledgement that he was arrested for kiddie porn. That's no different than his local news reporting it or the police report, all public information. If that was the case, none of this would be public. And if that's how they really felt, then they could have articulated that instead of banning people. What you said just makes them off just as bad and incompetent and utterly lacking transparency. It doesn't give anyone confidence to want to post on any future off shoot they make either.

If they make a new site, it will be raided with,"why did you hush the fact that Amirox was a pedophile?" until there is a satisfactory answer given.

[Kurt Russell]

what, the cops called evilore and told him to delete all posts about amir0x?

makes sense.

No - aren't there laws that you can't publicly speculate on active cases going through the courts as it compromises jurors or somesuch? I'm not for one minute doubting that GAF would have acted in exactly the same manner as they did regardless, but there may at least have been a legal reason in this instance.