Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[injurai]

"' Moderators weren't allowed to make any follow-up statements, resulting in understandable criticism over why the board would make such a milquetoast statement over its own history.

"I very nearly resigned back then," said the moderator. "I think many of us did. I still am not sure why I didn't. I guess it's because GAF itself is still very important to me, even now."

These are the people who lectured gaffers about morality, values and integrity for years.

 

Yup. For all of Malka's wrongs, the mods weren't any better. What made gaf great was the positives that normal user's contributed.

If I had to pick between the self-righteous ilk or a new forum with fresh mods and the marred history of it's owner. I'd pick the latter.

He doesn't exactly have a great track record with picking mods though. What are you going to do when you make your glorious return to GAF only to see that rinsfury is the admin?

Well, for one I doubt I'd make a return at all. I fucked off over a year ago. I just so happened to have joined the bore 2 years back, so I've dropped in for the drama. I always enjoyed dropping by this place as gaf was undergoing its demise.

Thing is it seemed Tyler for most of the former way of running things cared about ad revenue and growing the user base. So he let the mods form their own inner circle to some degree. Gaf's user base liked the mods too much for him to really go against the gaf-populism. He probably won't choose perfect mods right away, but I bet he wouldn't let the same sort culture redevelop.

[etiolate]

He really does sound like Dennis from Its Always Sunny in that Waypoint article.

[bmoequalsGOAT]

Has Malka put his statement out yet? Or anything new from him?

[Qazcv]

Looks like I cannot set my avatar, it says everything is alright but I cannot see it. [I don't know where to post this, sorry]

The URL has to be http, not https. Just remove the s and it should work fine.

[benjipwns]

lore should lessen up the e-mail requirements and waiting time if he's going to go gaming-mostly, especially with RESET Y OR N going with an e-mail and registration policy that sounds like the one fake Besada tweeted about taking 28 days to do a background check

[MIMIC]

https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/qv384d/inside-the-sexual-misconduct-allegations-rocking-neogafs-last-48-hoursd?utm_source=wptwitterus

Interesting read. And this article made me finally get around to reading about the "2012 incident."

That came off to me as brazenly inappropriate. Grabbed a woman's butt in an act of dominance? That is absolutely repugnant. I had no idea that the context of the incident was that bad. It wasn't even about sex/flirting. It was a "me man, you woman" sort of thing. Very disappointing.

Anyway, says the site should be back later tonight and that the future of the site is to move away from off-topic and focus more exclusively on gaming...which makes sense for all sorts of reasons. And the article also notes that he has yet to address the community. I wonder if he'll do it when the site comes back up (and if it'll go to a "I said something, now it's over" kind of moderation).

[tummyfat]

Has Malka put his statement out yet? Or anything new from him?

He gave his statement to Patrick Klepek, here it is

"Bitch was currrazy. Fuck an OT board"

[dishwalla]

Man GAF could come back tonight, this is going to be a disaster.  I can't wait.

Tyler is an idiot for not only retaining ownership of the site, but planning to restructure it on gaming and shedding the off topic sections.  Like what the hell is the point?  Hope the new NeoGAF crashes and burns.

[Pwnz]

Looks like I cannot set my avatar, it says everything is alright but I cannot see it. [I don't know where to post this, sorry]

The URL has to be http, not https. Just remove the s and it should work fine.

I member when I had this problem.

[Makai]

They locked down posting links in the resetera discord lol

[Swollen Bowels]

I understand not trusting white people. I mean, their track record in this country is....dire. I still don't fully, in a way. But I'm at a point where I'm not sure where not trusting them and going full on with it really achieves anything besides creating hate in your heart. At the same time, I don't blame anyone else for doing so. The hate is justified, but at the same time the hate is well and truly poisonous if you get me.

Yeah, but it goes beyond simply not trusting white people though. If you've watched any of the MTV decoded videos you would know it is full on political rhetoric. There was a decision by some people on the left to intentionally use this type of rhetoric. It is that which is beyond my comprehension.

Another thing I have problem with is the lack of perspective. Western countres (i.e. white dominant countries) are actually the most tolerant in the world. There are no other countries in the world more tolerant (lol). Yet the rhetoric coming out of the left you would think it is the exact opposite. Sure, historically white people have done some fucked up things, but there has also been a clear line of progress. You'd think nothing has changed.

Tolerant how, exactly? Look at the leaders of industry - almost all white men. Look at the metrics gauging the quality of life among the races, and you'll see that everything from health to education is at staggering lows for black people. Is that just some coincidence? Record unemployment among the black community, ever since Obama was elected, but that's just a small and immaterial blip on the road to progress. Black men and women being lynched in public view by police officers who are never held to account. NFL football players can't even do something as peacefully kneel during the national anthem, in protest of police brutality, without the dominant (white) class erupting in anger. You're fucking delusional or a liar.

[Tasty]

He really does sound like Dennis from Its Always Sunny in that Waypoint article.

Damn this really puts it in a new light.

[tummyfat]

They're already eating eachother 

[Bravotyler]

Evilore is a creep and all but NeoGAF was the last bastion against the Nazis. They're marching down my street right now and won't go away no matter how vicariously I live through a gif of someone punching Richard Spencer. Resetera needs to become #Resistera if it wants to truly carry on the noble spirit of its predecessor.

[Makai]

They’re not freaking out the leaker is on the LLC filing. 

[benjipwns]

[Nola]

Did he really throw his entire mod team under the bus

His ego is fucking G I G A N T I C.

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He has hated his mod team for years. It was open secret he hated Social Studies Warriors politics.

TBH, and hot-taking my ass off on this one, but possibly the most economically viable thing he could do is try and re-position himself as a woke red-piller and just embrace the dark side with a fucking fury for as long as he can. Or at a minimum fling the doors open and let the trolls free flow back in and create a populated nexus of message board chaos.

Trump makes a killing off swindling his idiot followers with merchandise and over-priced foreign goods, there is certainly a viable short-term market opportunity to play into the hand that the alt-right conquered GAF, with pepe avatars, GAF drones too scared to leave, and ads for MAGA gear bannering the site while everyone laps up the fuckery for a few weeks. Swing the doors wide open and grab as much marketing money as he quickly can and let the thing burn.

Though realistically that would require Evilore to show a level of ego management, emotional, social, and business intelligence I think he has shown himself entirely incapable of.

At this point he can't sell the thing and getting it back to the good-ole-days is just unrealistic. So liquidate and grab what money you can and go kung fu in Europe again and invade exotic woman's shower spaces, or whatever the fuck that weirdo does.

[Hock]

I tried to catch up from when I last read the thread yesterday but holy shit it was like 50 pages and people would keep having long arguments about Nazis and pedophilia.

Outside of the waypoint article, has anything new happened in the past 24 hours or so?

[ModernBoxes]

Tolerant how, exactly? Look at the leaders of industry - almost all white men. Look at the metrics gauging the quality of life among the races, and you'll see that everything from health to education is at staggering lows for black people. Is that just some coincidence? Record unemployment among the black community, ever since Obama was elected, but that's just a small and immaterial blip on the road to progress. Black men and women being lynched in public view by police officers who are never held to account. NFL football players can't even do something as peacefully kneel during the national anthem, in protest of police brutality, without the dominant (white) class erupting in anger. You're fucking delusional or a liar.

Oh boy.

[Dennis]

things are going well over in the reset era too:
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They're already eating eachother 

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ResetEra ouroboros is giving me life 

[John Dunbar]

why would anyone think lore would step down? even a zombie gaf will probably have enough traffic to keep his groping in business.

[etiolate]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/articles/heres-my-story-about-neogaf-and-why-its-good-that-its-exploding/85499191/

[RoystonBurn]

They're already eating eachother 

(Image removed from quote.)

Sentry is going to splinter off and form his own forum.

[benjipwns]

I tried to catch up from when I last read the thread yesterday but holy shit it was like 50 pages and people would keep having long arguments about Nazis and pedophilia.

Outside of the waypoint article, has anything new happened in the past 24 hours or so?

THE RESET ERA BEGAN

[studyguy]

I tried to catch up from when I last read the thread yesterday but holy shit it was like 50 pages and people would keep having long arguments about Nazis and pedophilia.

Outside of the waypoint article, has anything new happened in the past 24 hours or so?

Site might come back up tonight and release us all from this nightmare.

[Piikm]

Holy fuck..the balls on Malka..

I have gained a new respect for him. Dis ninja went full "Bitches be acting cray"

Please open OT back up and bring this mentality to it. Let us have a hot babe thread! Draw stick men sexually assualting people!
Put the lulz back in GAF dammit!

[SeanR1221]

Ah so the thing I was permanently banned for was "patently false" in the waypoint article.

What a shit hole.

[Assimilate]

https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/qv384d/inside-the-sexual-misconduct-allegations-rocking-neogafs-last-48-hoursd?utm_source=wptwitterus

so now she's concerned for her safety??? really? did she bother to look online? no one seems to be going after her even though her story is pretty shit.

she doesn't seem right to me.

[Dennis]

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[ToxicAdam]

Oh boy.

Dude, don't nest-quote a bunch of shit just so you can post two words. It's annoying.

[injurai]

Evilore is a creep and all but NeoGAF was the last bastion against the Nazis. They're marching down my street right now and won't go away no matter how vicariously I live through a gif of someone punching Richard Spencer. Resetera needs to become #Resistera if it wants to truly carry on the noble spirit of its predecessor.

I hear if you articulate someone's self-conscious you can make them self-destruct. Might want to find that discord and post this exact thing in there.

[Boredfrom]

"' Moderators weren't allowed to make any follow-up statements, resulting in understandable criticism over why the board would make such a milquetoast statement over its own history.

"I very nearly resigned back then," said the moderator. "I think many of us did. I still am not sure why I didn't. I guess it's because GAF itself is still very important to me, even now."

These are the people who lectured gaffers about morality, values and integrity for years.

 

Yup. For all of Malka's wrongs, the mods weren't any better. What made gaf great was the positives that normal user's contributed.

If I had to pick between the self-righteous ilk or a new forum with fresh mods and the marred history of it's owner. I'd pick the latter.

He doesn't exactly have a great track record with picking mods though. What are you going to do when you make your glorious return to GAF only to see that rinsfury is the admin?

Well, for one I doubt I'd make a return at all. I fucked off over a year ago. I just so happened to have joined the bore 2 years back, so I've dropped in for the drama. I always enjoyed dropping by this place as gaf was undergoing its demise.

Thing is it seemed Tyler for most of the former way of running things cared about ad revenue and growing the user base. So he let the mods form their own inner circle to some degree. Gaf's user base liked the mods too much for him to really go against the gaf-populism. He probably won't choose perfect mods right away, but I bet he wouldn't let the same sort culture redevelop.

But he just needed to pay attention to his Twitter feed and metions to see that the mods hype was manufactured, that he realizes that Bish was taking advantage of his position should have been a warning that his moderation team was ineffective and the forum was getting bad rep. The Chapelle thread was other warning that he choose to not enforce at the end.

[Rich!]

Oh man, this is gonna be fun to watch if he does bring it back. I have no idea what to expect, but it'll be a riot

[Dennis]

Y'all thought Tyler was down for the count but the boy got some fight in him 

And we got those ringside seats! 

[agrajag]

I would like to remind everyone that I coined resist era* pages back, you are all free to use it for a small royalty fee.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*also priming the pump and fake news

 

[close]

[benjipwns]

lol they didn't back off, they added more forums: http://forums.opencritic.com/

[who is ted danson?]

They're already eating eachother 

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1. Whole lotta penis emoji.

2. Emily Rogers + Cerium = NintendERA confirmed?

[Nintex]

They're already eating eachother 

(Image removed from quote.)

That introduction 

How do these people communicate in real life.
"Hi I'm John, I work at McDonalds next door."
"Hi I'm Patty, I'm a transgender lesbian woman with a bi-sexual curiosity who moderates an internet message board and I voted for Bernie, how do you do?"
"Eerrr... too much information lady"
"DID YOU ASSUME MY GENDER?"

 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Whats really funny is we have like 18 years of neogaf posters here and all of them pinpoint another time where the forum went to shit

[nudemacusers]

Principles matter except for things I do for free and my own self interest that have no material impact on society.

Other than thinking, can any action really have no material impact on society? 

why r u still alive

[Kyougar]

@ everyone Some news on ownership: There is an LLC with multiple members. @Cerium is paying for the whole thing out of pocket. We're not taking donations or thinking about monetization yet. Our priority is to get the forum up and running for people.

ResetEra patching in lootboxes?

[VomKriege]

lol at people thinking the only alternative to how gaf was the last year is "going full gator heaven"
no wonder he pulled out those excuses

For all the edgy shit I post here, I'm usually not one for this sort of stuff but it's really weird to see articles in Kotaku and Waypoint leaning so heavily on this framing. The Kotaku article was very jarring with that weird aside that the site suddenly moderated less progressively (though as said a couple of days ago it seems GirlGAF and backslashbunny pretty much bailed recently after Lore latest sermon on how women shouldn't be believed sometimes in those claims). You'd think a sketchy, knee-jerk owner, inconsistent moderation, mods made complicit in hushing up controversies regarding the site (all aknowledged in the Waypoint piece) would be enough to explain some of the hostility faced by GAF irrespective of political battlelines. It's getting to absurd levels with everyone tossing the GamerGate label at each other.

That said, the Waypoint piece is actually pretty good : it adresses all the recent major stories, has sources, extensives statements from Lore and the person doing the allegations. It's miles ahead of the Kotaku think who was basically the same 3 paragraphs copy-pasted in every other gaming site (an horrible tendency. At least in the past, they copied from the wire of a robust news agency).

[Averon]

To be honest this is the best move Malka can make. If he brings back GAF with gaming being the only focus, it could be salvageable. Much of the cancerous aspects of GAF will be moving to the ResetEra and will stay far away from GAF once it reopens. It is like GAFs gaming side and OT side split into two different sites.

But GAF will never be as big as it was just a few days ago. The NeoGAF name has become too poisonous.


Also I want to say how fucking sad it is that those mods valued their modship to such a degree that they only jumped out of the sinking boat when the situation became completely untenable. They were all complicit in that Amir0x shitshow, so they are all guilty in my eyes. All of their moral grandstanding was fake and insincere. It was just a way for them to lord over--and ban--others and feel good about it.

[Dennis]

It was a hard crash after the drama wound down but now we high again!

I may open a bottle of wine tonight.

[Stormhammer]

this is like narcos for nerds

[ModernBoxes]

Oh boy.

Dude, don't nest-quote a bunch of shit just so you can post two words. It's annoying.

Fixed, I can even fit more words in there now.

[injurai]

"' Moderators weren't allowed to make any follow-up statements, resulting in understandable criticism over why the board would make such a milquetoast statement over its own history.

"I very nearly resigned back then," said the moderator. "I think many of us did. I still am not sure why I didn't. I guess it's because GAF itself is still very important to me, even now."

These are the people who lectured gaffers about morality, values and integrity for years.

 

Yup. For all of Malka's wrongs, the mods weren't any better. What made gaf great was the positives that normal user's contributed.

If I had to pick between the self-righteous ilk or a new forum with fresh mods and the marred history of it's owner. I'd pick the latter.

He doesn't exactly have a great track record with picking mods though. What are you going to do when you make your glorious return to GAF only to see that rinsfury is the admin?

Well, for one I doubt I'd make a return at all. I fucked off over a year ago. I just so happened to have joined the bore 2 years back, so I've dropped in for the drama. I always enjoyed dropping by this place as gaf was undergoing its demise.

Thing is it seemed Tyler for most of the former way of running things cared about ad revenue and growing the user base. So he let the mods form their own inner circle to some degree. Gaf's user base liked the mods too much for him to really go against the gaf-populism. He probably won't choose perfect mods right away, but I bet he wouldn't let the same sort culture redevelop.

But he just needed to pay attention to his Twitter feed and metions to see that the mods hype was manufactured, that he realizes that Bish was taking advantage of his position should have been a warning that his moderation team was ineffective and the forum was getting bad rep. The Chapelle thread was other warning that he choose to not enforce at the end.

Well what do I really know, at some point are crawled into community threads and ignored all the drama on gaf. I never cared to follow it closely to have an accurate read. My point was really that Tyler mostly fucked off and it was his mods that ran the looney bin. So from that logic Tyler could matter less to the future of gaf if mods of different philosophy got a turn at the wheel helm.

[VomKriege]

lol they didn't back off, they added more forums: http://forums.opencritic.com/

2017 bubble crash of archaic game internet forums

In the end, GameFAQs win.

[I'm a Puppy!]

The Bore: A perfect storm of misanthropy and opportunism

[Mr Gilhaney]

So the defense is: The bitch is crazy.

[K]

Tyler be reading TheBore

Who honestly believes in this resetera bs?

The forum will mainly be a "progressive forum" with a gaming section slapped on. NeoGAF, how terrible it once became was mainly a gaming forum that let its OT section take over the discourse.

If EviLore was smart, he'd shut that section down to get rid of the aids. Instead of running his joint, he was busy sexually assaulting women.

Enjoy unemployment Tyler.

at least you're learning, Tyler.

[Leadbelly]

I understand not trusting white people. I mean, their track record in this country is....dire. I still don't fully, in a way. But I'm at a point where I'm not sure where not trusting them and going full on with it really achieves anything besides creating hate in your heart. At the same time, I don't blame anyone else for doing so. The hate is justified, but at the same time the hate is well and truly poisonous if you get me.

Yeah, but it goes beyond simply not trusting white people though. If you've watched any of the MTV decoded videos you would know it is full on political rhetoric. There was a decision by some people on the left to intentionally use this type of rhetoric. It is that which is beyond my comprehension.

Another thing I have problem with is the lack of perspective. Western countres (i.e. white dominant countries) are actually the most tolerant in the world. There are no other countries in the world more tolerant (lol). Yet the rhetoric coming out of the left you would think it is the exact opposite. Sure, historically white people have done some fucked up things, but there has also been a clear line of progress. You'd think nothing has changed.

Tolerant how, exactly? Look at the leaders of industry - almost all white men. Look at the metrics gauging the quality of life among the races, and you'll see that everything from health to education is at staggering lows for black people. Is that just some coincidence? Record unemployment among the black community, ever since Obama was elected, but that's just a small and immaterial blip on the road to progress. Black men and women being lynched in public view by police officers who are never held to account. NFL football players can't even do something as peacefully kneel during the national anthem, in protest of police brutality, without the dominant (white) class erupting in anger. You're fucking delusional or a liar.

First of all you're simply stating truisms. Yes this is all true, but it doesn't tell you the causes of these problems. These are all complex issues that are not a result of a single cause.

In terms of Black people being lynched by police officers, can you tell me how often this occurs statistically? I'm not saying it doesn't occur but you must know that it is actually statisitically insignificant right? I will stress that it is terrible when it occurs, and that it needs to be addressed, but it should also be pointed out that the chances that a black person will be shot by a cop are extremely low.

However, this is all kind of irrelevant as the point I made isn't about the issues Western countries face, which undoubtedly there are many, it is what are those issues like in comparison to other countries.

[fistfulofmetal]

Now that Lore has thrown his mods and the OT under the bus and plans to relaunch as Gaming exclusive, I hope he enjoys his userbase of racist, sexist, pedophile anime lovers who used to hid in the gaming section where their shitty opinions could be secret.

[injurai]

What I mean is that community threads would grow bigger, because they would be the default way to engage in off-topic content. And lots of short lived community threads would be made for news of the day stuff, just like OT. That is unless that usage was moderated.

Oh hey, I mostly frequented the hip-hop and beer thread. I knew I recognized you but couldn't remember.

Well i just would stick to the community threads I like.

But it would be a little weird to keep the Community around and not OT;  currently threads can't be created there I believe, instead they get "promoted" to Community from OT. 

But if they just had a list of topics, and stayed away from political topics I could see it working.  Maybe one sticky "open" thread for requesting community threads.

Threads did get promoted but I'm pretty sure people could always directly create community threads.

[Mr. Nobody]

Have we officially gotten the statement? Been like 15 pages since I checked in here

[Boredfrom]

lol at people thinking the only alternative to how gaf was the last year is "going full gator heaven"
no wonder he pulled out those excuses

For all the edgy shit I post here, I'm usually not one for this sort of stuff but it's really weird to see articles in Kotaku and Waypoint leaning so heavily on this framing. The Kotaku article was very jarring with that weird aside that the site suddenly moderated less progressively (though as said a couple of days ago it seems GirlGAF and backslashbunny pretty much bailed recently after Lore latest sermon on how women shouldn't be believed sometimes in those claims). You'd think a sketchy, knee-jerk owner, inconsistent moderation, mods made complicit in hushing up controversies regarding the site (all aknowledged in the Waypoint piece) would be enough to explain some of the hostility faced by GAF irrespective of political battlelines. It's getting to absurd levels with everyone tossing the GamerGate label at each other.

That said, the Waypoint piece is actually pretty good : it adress all the recent major stories, has sources, extensives statements from Lore and the person doing the allegations. It's miles ahead of the Kotaku think who was basically the same 3 paragraphs copy-pasted in every other gaming site (an horrible tendency. At least in the past, they copied from the wire of a robust news agency).

Welcome to my world circa 2015. GG is a shit hole of delusional alt righters , but you don't have any idea how much BS was buried because "we need to fight off GG"

[Piikm]

Whats really funny is we have like 18 years of neogaf posters here and all of them pinpoint another time where the forum went to shit

I think everyone can agree that its when the ads came?

The place had to be super progressive and not ruffle a single feather. Problem is that shit clearly becomes an oroborus.

[nudemacusers]

Principles matter except for things I do for free and my own self interest that have no material impact on society.

Other than thinking, can any action really have no material impact on society? 

why r u still alive

[Trent Dole]

https://twitter.com/richard_kyanka/status/922111937311330306

[Boredfrom]

Now that Lore has thrown his mods and the OT under the bus and plans to relaunch as Gaming exclusive, I hope he enjoys his userbase of racist, sexist, pedophile anime lovers who used to hid in the gaming section where their shitty opinions could be secret.

Amirox didn't like anime