Maybe the real NeoGAF was the friends we made along the way...

[nachobro]

Also, seriously. What the hell is a discord? 

IRC (with seperate channels)+voice chat with built in image/youtube embedding. works in web, desktop app, and mobile app

[TVC15]

Amirox's sentencing might be next week. I wonder which, if any, forum will allow discussion of it.

Next Friday. Not sure if sentencing occurs, but it's some sort of plea date thing.

[Oblivion]

Evilore made hundreds of thousands of dollars and used it for fuck all. He could have turned Neogaf into a business but instead he left it an outdated vb forum with malicious ads because it was easy money.

The site was going to die soon even without the shower escapades because mobile/adblock was killing it and his work ethic is awful and GAF Gold was never going to happen. He should have monetized years ago like SA.

He made Millions. In 2012 alone he claimed to have made $400,000. And the forum grew significantly in the past 4 years.

Even if he makes some livable income off what's left of gaf, the fact that he'll never get back to the highs of its most successful days should probably take a toll on him. Formerly successful people gauge their success based on their best moments, so going from even $400k to $100k should eat him up from the inside.

[Kabouter]

Why did the staff cover for him after the fact? We why did you guys get gagged? Why was the response to people talking about it, which was reasonable, to ban and censor? People still didn't know he was a pedophile after the fact because all the information was hidden. Although not intended it made it look like the staff was defending him and it made no sense why anyone would go the lengths you guys were going to make sure that a former member wasn't in prison for child porn despite the low age requirement for the site (13!) and it be a nerdy hobby site, which means lots of your users were undoubtedly vulnerable. Yet still, no one was allowed to talk about it. I didn't post or anything of course, because I got the axe a few weeks before but I witnessed a lot of people I knew get banned - permanently - for mentioning Amirox was a pedo. It was awkward, lame, and made no sense and frankly, now that gaf is dead and most of you guys aren't staff anymore there need to be answers.

I was honestly so inactive during that period, particularly as a mod, that I never even really paid attention to what our response was and certainly not that Evil actually denied knowing his real name, though I absolutely fault myself for not paying more attention then. I guess I just assumed that the response would have been the obvious "We never knew he was this much of a monstrous shithead, we hope he rots in prison". Never modded in that regard either. I absolutely should have left then.

This also includes why staff banned people for mentioning EviLore shower thing, but then ditched the site two days later. It's like your first line of defense for anything was ban and discussion wasn't allowed.

Was abroad, don't know. Evil's explanation of what happened was the first thing I saw of the entire thing when getting back. I was gone as a mod a few hours after reading it.

[nachobro]

Dear ResetEra mods who may be glimpsing at this thread: just bite the bullet and make a videogame news/sales subforum. Failing that, add tags to thread so I can see all of one type at a time. It would make lurking way more pleasant. You don't have to copy GAF 100% (community is a way better name than "hangouts" tho).

Agreed. Never was a fan of games opinion/discussion mixed in with news/sales stuff.

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1455009

Oh, we don't have to convince people bigotry is bad. They can learn when people shun them.

The discussion has already been had. You didn't have to be around because other people share your views. Those views were shot down.

Y'all just salty you never got to say your piece.

Listen up you:

Just because you are an individual doesn't mean your beliefs are not carried by others. Decent people have already discussed your beliefs without you being present and decided, "hey, these aren't cool or good for people" and decided to curb them. You having your time to defend your beliefs is pointless when the conversation was had without you. Let's use game terms since y'all seem so keen on just discussing video games: you enter a dark souls thread and ask "how do I get to this bonfire?" Let it be known you are the 100th person asking that. Read the thread.

Understand that. Maybe you will grow up from this experience or you will wallow in bitterness because decent people decided to not give you time to defend your bannable views.

Uh, they agree for empathy but go, "Hey, just because someone voted for Trump doesn't make them bad" or "Just because they celebrate Zwarte Piet doesn't make them racist".

Like, they all have the info at their fingertips but parrot these stupid ass talking points.

The labels are justified.

This is some stupid shit.

There's no need to argue whether being a bigot is good or bad.



It's not hate to call you what are you actually are.

Got a problem with that? Don't be that guy.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Holy shit, Evilore. You gotta check out your new audience. They actually want you to not ban them for having the wrong opinion. These guys really are trying hard to pry open that door where they can say whatever the fuck they want without repercussion.

Holy shit. Why can't you guys just accept your beliefs are inherently bigoted?

Why do you guys continuously want to discuss these issues?

Why can't y'all actually take steps after having the billionth fucking discussion?



Well, yeah, and you were never banned for that unless you pushed the gray area envelope and started espousing bigoted perspectives as if they're legit.

These gamer gaters know what they're doing: try to create a dialogue where supporting or defending bigoted views are OK because it's just a "discussion".

Discussion for these folks is key word for "let's keep reinforcing and conditioning other people who come across our text to believe this shit is normal".

Who cares how people label your views? Why are you so hung up on shitty?

Why are you more upset about a truthful label rather than, let's say, people being bigoted or people supporting the right-wing propaganda machine the NRA?

We get your game. You won't convince any decent person with your "let's engage with hate" toxic shit.

Oh my god.

OH MY GOD.

Are you really defending bigotry?

Holy shit.

NeoGAF went to the shitters faster than a port-o-potty being thrown in a dump.



NuGAF is all about meeting in the middle and having discussions.

You can tell the old mod staff took all the backbones.

It's like they don't even respect women and minorities enough to let them have their own thread.



Glass Joe is still here after this shit:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1454989

I would give them a break but it's pretty clear the direction NeoGAF is going.

'cause we know what y'all are doing. It's fun to call out your shit.

You're not going to actually say what views should be defending cause you know contextually it would be fine in the old OT if you did it properly.

But you'll skirt around any kind of detail and retreat to a blanket "banned for different opinion" statements as if we don't know what y'all mean.

 

[Dennis]

$100,000 a year is not enough for a swanky big city lifestyle anymore.

[blaze]

I'm glad gaf still exists simply as a subpar spatula containment zone.

[etiolate]

That's a special child.

[Rise]

i could've sworn hito and lore were bros to the end

they had quite a falling out during the last few years of his life ()

I mean, he quit being an admin for a reason.

[Himu]

Why did the staff cover for him after the fact? We why did you guys get gagged? Why was the response to people talking about it, which was reasonable, to ban and censor? People still didn't know he was a pedophile after the fact because all the information was hidden. Although not intended it made it look like the staff was defending him and it made no sense why anyone would go the lengths you guys were going to make sure that a former member wasn't in prison for child porn despite the low age requirement for the site (13!) and it be a nerdy hobby site, which means lots of your users were undoubtedly vulnerable. Yet still, no one was allowed to talk about it. I didn't post or anything of course, because I got the axe a few weeks before but I witnessed a lot of people I knew get banned - permanently - for mentioning Amirox was a pedo. It was awkward, lame, and made no sense and frankly, now that gaf is dead and most of you guys aren't staff anymore there need to be answers.

I was honestly so inactive during that period, particularly as a mod, that I never even really paid attention to what our response was and certainly not that Evil actually denied knowing his real name, though I absolutely fault myself for not paying more attention then. I guess I just assumed that the response would have been the obvious "We never knew he was this much of a monstrous shithead, we hope he rots in prison". Never modded in that regard either. I absolutely should have left then.

This also includes why staff banned people for mentioning EviLore shower thing, but then ditched the site two days later. It's like your first line of defense for anything was ban and discussion wasn't allowed.

Was abroad, don't know. Evil's explanation of what happened was the first thing I saw of the entire thing when getting back. I was gone as a mod a few hours after reading it.

One criticism we've had is why did the mods leave after the Evi scandal and not after the Amirox gag? Surely forcing your staff to delete and ban any mention of a prominent member being in jail for having child porn on his phone is a step too far? But it wasn't. It just makes the staff look self serving and completely spineless from the outside. I have no idea what it was like from the inside so I'm trying really, really hard not to judge and failing.

[Tasty]

Was abroad, don't know. Evil's explanation of what happened was the first thing I saw of the entire thing when getting back. I was gone as a mod a few hours after reading it.

But what about the sex cult?!

WHAT ABOUT THE ROOFIE SEX CULT

[Occam]

It's good that we are having this NeoGAF post mortem here. After all many of us spent years posting there, so some reflection and closure is needed.

[Optimus]

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This is the horrible mental toll on someone leaving his hugbox for the first time. Protect yourself people, never go out of the circlejerk, never leave your house, life is scary, disagreement is evil.

[Himu]

i could've sworn hito and lore were bros to the end

they had quite a falling out during the last few years of his life ()

I mean, he quit being an admin for a reason.

Bringing up Hito just makes me want to cry.

And now I'm crying.

[Rusty Shackleford]

ResetEra has some mods under 18? Good lord.

See? <25 YOs should speak only when spoken to. Little sh*tstains.

[K]

Correct me if I'm wrong Kab, but I'm getting the sense that EviLore wasn't around much, but when he did, he fucked a lot of things that the moderation team were trying to communicate to the community, so you had to spin a lot to fit Evil's narrative of various bs situations.

[Raist]

Presumably the cops were going to comb through Amir0x's computer. I wonder if they'll have a closer look at GAF.

[Rise]

i could've sworn hito and lore were bros to the end

they had quite a falling out during the last few years of his life ()

I mean, he quit being an admin for a reason.

Bringing up Hito just makes me want to cry.

yeah same. I was a huge ass to him for the first few years I knew him and although we were on good terms and talked often for a while before he passed I still immensely regret how I was to him before then 

[Hobies cat]

Presumably the cops were going to comb through Amir0x's computer. I wonder if they'll have a closer look at GAF.

Maybe if enough anonymous complaints tie Amir0x to shady activity at Gaf...

http://www.monroecountyda.com/anonymouscomplaint/

[Optimus]

nm looked further up the thread. That's depressing.

[etiolate]

The GAF mods not being on the resetera modlist is either reset realizing it's a bad idea or the gaf mods realizing they had a history of fucking up that makes receding to the shadows the best idea.

[Himu]

i could've sworn hito and lore were bros to the end

they had quite a falling out during the last few years of his life ()

I mean, he quit being an admin for a reason.

Bringing up Hito just makes me want to cry.

yeah same. I was a huge ass to him for the first few years I knew him and although we were on good terms and talked often for a while before he passed I still immensely regret how I was to him before then 

hito and I chatted about the new sailor moon anime on twitter regularly and I have not been able to watch it since he died.

[TVC15]

Correct me if I'm wrong Kab, but I'm getting the sense that EviLore wasn't around much, but when he did, he fucked a lot of things that the moderation team were trying to communicate to the community, so you had to spin a lot to fit Evil's narrative of various bs situations.

In all my years there, he never seemed to be around much.

[samir]

Anyone got the deets on how well hung Malka is? Maybe he can go into the porn business.

You know, work his way up. Wasn't there a Japanese porn star who started out with eating shit in his first movie? 

[Rusty Shackleford]

Yes, I see a lot of criticism of EL (justified) handling of gaf but not so much of the former mods, who, let's not forget, were the ones responsible for creating and enforcing the tone of latter-day gaf that so many here found insufferable. If ResetEra found them to be acceptable as members than I would bet it's only a matter of time until that stultifying atmosphere gaf had finds its way into the new forum.

[Marhunchy]

ResetEra has some mods under 18? Good lord.

See? <25 YOs should speak only when spoken to. Little sh*tstains.

What really?

[Trurl]

There's just something a little strange and mysterious about ResetEra. For instance, why is the penis emoji their mascot?

This is going to end like that "to serve man" episode of the twilight zone

[Oblivion]

one thing i dont like (well lots of things but this thing in particular) is that resetera forums only reveals the pages on mouse over... just... why?

what is it with modern websites that fail to keep it simple...

anyways its weird because you see these threads and its hard to see which are big threads because the mario review thread is like 32 pages but you dont see that unless you mouse over and stuff

its not like im gonna post there but if im gonna read it like i used to read gaf, i dunno... it's gonna be annoying

there are some nice things over gaf, like embedded youtube stuff but it feels like one step forward two steps back

they're basically giving evilore the better forum design, and i wonder why you'd give him that advantage (although gaf is a sinking ship regardless)

Yeah, that hovering for page count thing is annoying as fuck. Misleading too because it makes you think an otherwise busy thread is only one page long.

[OnlyRegret]

ResetEra has some mods under 18? Good lord.

See? <25 YOs should speak only when spoken to. Little sh*tstains.

I'll be 25 soon enough punk

[Trurl]

Some of us need young mods to help us out with technology.

[demi]

I have to warm up, just wait breh

I give you dink smallwood and this is what you give? The fuck, Marsu.

[Purple Filth]

Yes, I see a lot of criticism of EL (justified) handling of gaf but not so much of the former mods, who, let's not forget, were the ones responsible for creating and enforcing the tone of latter-day gaf that so many here found insufferable. If ResetEra found them to be acceptable as members than I would bet it's only a matter of time until that stultifying atmosphere gaf had finds its way into the new forum.

But they seem to not be mods over there though.

We will have to see what the new mods do since most of them were "prominent" gaf members that now have powers.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Some of us need young mods to help us out with technology.

Any key? Where's the any key?

[Raist]

Presumably the cops were going to comb through Amir0x's computer. I wonder if they'll have a closer look at GAF.

Maybe if enough anonymous complaints tie Amir0x to shady activity at Gaf...

http://www.monroecountyda.com/anonymouscomplaint/

Sure, making stuff up is great.

I assume a rather significant portion of his browsing history is going to be GAF. So I wonder if they got/will get a subpoena for access to his account.

[Hobies cat]

Yes, I see a lot of criticism of EL (justified) handling of gaf but not so much of the former mods, who, let's not forget, were the ones responsible for creating and enforcing the tone of latter-day gaf that so many here found insufferable. If ResetEra found them to be acceptable as members than I would bet it's only a matter of time until that stultifying atmosphere gaf had finds its way into the new forum.

But they seem to not be mods over there though.

W'ell have to see what the new mods do since most of them were "prominent" gaf members that have powers.

They're not, they're the Thought Police. And they work like the Precrime Division in Minority Report getting rid of people before they do something they find offensive.

[Shakin Stevens]

Retcetera seems to be going smoothly so far, but how will they handle the next big outrage?

e.g. Pewdiepie accidentally sings the Horst Wessel song live on stream while playing Wolfy

[Pills Here]

ResetEra has some mods under 18? Good lord.

See? <25 YOs should speak only when spoken to. Little sh*tstains.

I guess that's why I find so many of them to be emotionally-stunted shut-ins.

[Purple Filth]

Maybe it was mentioned here and i wiped it from my mind somehow but i didn't know that's what happened to HitoKage 

*pours 40*

[maninthemirror]

Amirox's sentencing might be next week. I wonder which, if any, forum will allow discussion of it.

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Front row seats

I can be thebore reporter considering I’m near where his sentencing is

[Rusty Shackleford]

Yes, I see a lot of criticism of EL (justified) handling of gaf but not so much of the former mods, who, let's not forget, were the ones responsible for creating and enforcing the tone of latter-day gaf that so many here found insufferable. If ResetEra found them to be acceptable as members than I would bet it's only a matter of time until that stultifying atmosphere gaf had finds its way into the new forum.

But they seem to not be mods over there though.

We will have to see what the new mods do since most of them were "prominent" gaf members that now have powers.

That is true.

I suppose what I was trying to say is that the exodus to ResetEra was led by the prominent members of gaf, and it stands to reason that they agreed with the tone of gaf and therefore will be bringing it to the new site once the rush of revolution wears off. Too many commissars, not enough apparatchiks.

[Hobies cat]

Presumably the cops were going to comb through Amir0x's computer. I wonder if they'll have a closer look at GAF.

Maybe if enough anonymous complaints tie Amir0x to shady activity at Gaf...

http://www.monroecountyda.com/anonymouscomplaint/

Sure, making stuff up is great.

I assume a rather significant portion of his browsing history is going to be GAF. So I wonder if they got/will get a subpoena for access to his account.

Who said anything about making anything up? That's you that said that. All I am saying is man convicted of child porn had long association with an  individual who demonstrated, questionable sexual behavior. Look at Evilore here at the 8 second mark. Tell me that isn't wrong :

[anime tits]

After the initial rush, it seems like resetera users will be looking around wondering where the guy who posted news on gaf is

[Pills Here]

ResetEra has some mods under 18? Good lord.

See? <25 YOs should speak only when spoken to. Little sh*tstains.

Which mod?

Amir0x?

[Raist]

ResetEra has some mods under 18? Good lord.

See? <25 YOs should speak only when spoken to. Little sh*tstains.

Which mod?

[Himu]

Amirox's sentencing might be next week. I wonder which, if any, forum will allow discussion of it.

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Front row seats

I can be thebore reporter considering I’m near where his sentencing is

Cool. Do it. If possible, tell him that neogaf died while he was in prison. And then report the look on his face.

[Novid]

So they have a thread up on an ex-Bioware developer who I'm pretty sure is this special individual.


Lets see if anyone calls him out, shall we? I'm guessing no.

I’ll call him out here.  Those who view everything through the prism of race are the problem.  The followers of both Richard Spencer and
Ta-Nehisi Coates are two sides of the same coin. 

This, more than anything, is what is so unsettling about Mr. Coates’s recent writing and the tenor of the leftist “woke” discourse he epitomizes. Though it is not at all morally equivalent, it is nonetheless in sync with the toxic premises of white supremacism. Both sides eagerly reduce people to abstract color categories, all the while feeding off of and legitimizing each other, while those of us searching for gray areas and common ground get devoured twice. Both sides mystify racial identity, interpreting it as something fixed, determinative and almost supernatural. For Mr. Coates, whiteness is a “talisman,” an “amulet” of “eldritch energies” that explains all injustice; for the abysmal early-20th-century Italian fascist and racist icon Julius Evola, it was a “meta-biological force,” a collective mind-spirit that justifies all inequality. In either case, whites are preordained to walk that special path. It is a dangerous vision of life we should refuse no matter who is doing the conjuring.

This summer, I spent an hour on the phone with Richard Spencer. It was an exchange that left me feeling physically sickened. Toward the end of the interview, he said one thing that I still think about often. He referred to the all-encompassing sense of white power so many liberals now also attribute to whiteness as a profound opportunity. “This is the photographic negative of a white supremacist,” he told me gleefully. “This is why I’m actually very confident, because maybe those leftists will be the easiest ones to flip.” [the organiser of the Charlottesville demonstration had been an occupy Wallstreet leftist].

However far-fetched that may sound, what identitarians like Mr. Spencer have grasped, and what ostensibly anti-racist thinkers like Mr. Coates have lost sight of, is the fact that so long as we fetishize race, we ensure that we will never be rid of the hierarchies it imposes. We will all be doomed to stalk our separate paths.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/opinion/ta-nehisi-coates-whiteness-power.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

It also distracts from the real struggle.  The number one predictor of the health, happiness, and success of someone born in 2017 in America is the wealth of that person’s parents.  Money is what truly separates people, not sex, race, or religion.

White people are not sith lords or Harry Potter wizards.  Those who peddle that myth on both sides are selling a dagerous fantasy to the maladjusted.

you have a sister because I would love to be your brother in law after this post.

[K]

Elf must be on suicide watch by now. Everybody knows what a scumbag he is.

Should of checked your ego at the door, Malka.

[Oblivion]

It's still so surreal to see people openly shitting on Lore in that "State of gaf" thread (as well as everywhere else) blatantly asking for access to Reset, and EL not having the manpower or resources to mow them all down. 

[maninthemirror]

Amirox's sentencing might be next week. I wonder which, if any, forum will allow discussion of it.

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Front row seats

I can be thebore reporter considering I’m near where his sentencing is

Cool. Do it. If possible, tell him that neogaf died while he was in prison. And then report the look on his face.

Do they allow anyone to sit in court ?

[Raist]

Presumably the cops were going to comb through Amir0x's computer. I wonder if they'll have a closer look at GAF.

Maybe if enough anonymous complaints tie Amir0x to shady activity at Gaf...

http://www.monroecountyda.com/anonymouscomplaint/

Sure, making stuff up is great.

I assume a rather significant portion of his browsing history is going to be GAF. So I wonder if they got/will get a subpoena for access to his account.

Who said anything about making anything up? That's you that said that. All I am saying is man convicted of child porn had long association with an  individual who demonstrated, questionable sexual behavior. Look at Evilore here at the 8 second mark. Tell me that isn't wrong :

There's a significant difference between saying "they seized his computer, I wonder if they're going to look at GAF" and "here's the link to make anonymous complaints tieing Amir0x to shady activity at Gaf..."

[Rusty Shackleford]

Amirox's sentencing might be next week. I wonder which, if any, forum will allow discussion of it.

(Image removed from quote.)

Front row seats

I can be thebore reporter considering I’m near where his sentencing is

Cool. Do it. If possible, tell him that neogaf died while he was in prison. And then report the look on his face.

Do they allow anyone to sit in court ?

Yes. Come sit on daddy's lap.

[Broseidon]

Man I completely forgot about what happened with Hito

[Oblivion]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252879826&postcount=8941

[maninthemirror]

Man I completely forgot about what happened with Hito

What happened ? Natural ? Sudden ?

[OnlyRegret]

ResetEra has some mods under 18? Good lord.

See? <25 YOs should speak only when spoken to. Little sh*tstains.

Which mod?

Amirox is that you?

[demi]

Man I completely forgot about what happened with Hito

What happened ? Natural ? Sudden ?

sudden and natural? he died in his sleep, i forget the reason.

[Transhuman]

Amirox's sentencing might be next week. I wonder which, if any, forum will allow discussion of it.

(Image removed from quote.)

Front row seats

I can be thebore reporter considering I’m near where his sentencing is

Cool. Do it. If possible, tell him that neogaf died while he was in prison. And then report the look on his face.

Do they allow anyone to sit in court ?

Yeah but it's usually boring as shit

[Broseidon]

Man I completely forgot about what happened with Hito

What happened ? Natural ? Sudden ?

Not his death, the whole thing about how he was treated by Tyler after stepping down from his admin(?) duties.

[thehunter116]

i could've sworn hito and lore were bros to the end

they had quite a falling out during the last few years of his life ()

I mean, he quit being an admin for a reason.

Bringing up Hito just makes me want to cry.

yeah same. I was a huge ass to him for the first few years I knew him and although we were on good terms and talked often for a while before he passed I still immensely regret how I was to him before then 

hito and I chatted about the new sailor moon anime on twitter regularly and I have not been able to watch it since he died.

Hearing shit like this makes me legit sad. It's the reason why I tried helping get people back together.