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etiolate

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10380 on: January 15, 2018, 10:37:02 PM »
GAFReset is a cocktail of facebook intellectualism

one part Marxism/Communism
one part Globalist Interests
and one part Progressive Critical Theory

You have to understand that America and capitalism is awful, but the only thing worse is exposing their corruption via The Intercept or Wikileaks, because if you take out the people who keep bombing everyone then the real white supremacists will take control, like Chelsea Manning.


benjipwns

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« Reply #10381 on: January 15, 2018, 10:45:21 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/chelsea-manning-files-to-run-for-u-s-senate-in-maryland.16236/page-22#post-3336917
Quote from: The Adder, Resettlement Advisor
"They're not neo-nazi's guys. They're just saying all that anti-semetic shit to be contrarian! Also, stop talking about that thing we know is factually true, it's exhausting."
Quote from: some new age neonazi Chelsea Assange supporter
That's absolutely not what I said. I want to be clear that I was referring to their support of an insurgent candidacy (and Manning is very clearly not running on a platform of white nationalism), not neo-Nazism. That said, I'm out of here. Thanks for the discussion.
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They always tuck tail.
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« Reply #10382 on: January 15, 2018, 10:48:06 PM »
Now that women in the media are saying the Aziz Ansari story isn't literal rape the narrative is that the media loves Aziz and is trying to protect him?

who the fuck loves Aziz?

To be honest, I'm not even sure how I am supposed to take this revelation.

A woman goes back to his apartment with him. They get naked. He performs oral sex on her, she performs oral sex on him. She then goes on about 'non-verbal' cues, and that she wasn't sure whether he read those non-verba cues. He wanted to have sex, she said no, they didn't have sex.

Another thing I notice in the story is a lot of it is about what she felt. She felt uncomfortable, she felt pressured.

This is not to say he wasn't necessarily aggressive, I just don't know what I am supposed to think about it. It seems like a really clumsy get together in which she didn't like the experience. And that is fine. However, I can't help noticing it was a situation where both are naked, she performs oral sex on him, hormones are flying everywhere with him having a raging boner, expecting him to read her mind in that moment to know how she is feeling, and read 'non-verbal' cues that she doesn't really want it. Men at the best of times are a bit dumb at reading cues.

This just reads like a bad-hookup.
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Assimilate

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10383 on: January 15, 2018, 10:54:35 PM »
Now that women in the media are saying the Aziz Ansari story isn't literal rape the narrative is that the media loves Aziz and is trying to protect him?

who the fuck loves Aziz?

To be honest, I'm not even sure how I am supposed to take this revelation.

A woman goes back to his apartment with him. They get naked. He performs oral sex on her, she performs oral sex on him. She then goes on about 'non-verbal' cues, and that she wasn't sure whether he read those non-verba cues. He wanted to have sex, she said no, they didn't have sex.

Another thing I notice in the story is a lot of it is about what she felt. She felt uncomfortable, she felt pressured.

This is not to say he wasn't necessarily aggressive, I just don't know what I am supposed to think about it. It seems like a really clumsy get together in which she didn't like the experience. And that is fine. However, I can't help noticing it was a situation where both are naked, she performs oral sex on him, hormones are flying everywhere, with him having a raging boner, and expecting him to read her mind in that moment, to know how she is feeling, and 'non-verbal' cues that she doesn't really want it. Men at the best are a bit dumb at reading cues.

This just reads like a bad-hookup.

VICTIM BLAMING? how dare you not realize how men are evil with their raging boners.

The best part about that write up is how they throw shit in like "he lives in the same building as taylor swift" lol as if she was so enchanted by his fame and wealth that she just had to suck his dick.  :omg


Leadbelly

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« Reply #10384 on: January 15, 2018, 11:00:30 PM »
Now that women in the media are saying the Aziz Ansari story isn't literal rape the narrative is that the media loves Aziz and is trying to protect him?

who the fuck loves Aziz?

To be honest, I'm not even sure how I am supposed to take this revelation.

A woman goes back to his apartment with him. They get naked. He performs oral sex on her, she performs oral sex on him. She then goes on about 'non-verbal' cues, and that she wasn't sure whether he read those non-verba cues. He wanted to have sex, she said no, they didn't have sex.

Another thing I notice in the story is a lot of it is about what she felt. She felt uncomfortable, she felt pressured.

This is not to say he wasn't necessarily aggressive, I just don't know what I am supposed to think about it. It seems like a really clumsy get together in which she didn't like the experience. And that is fine. However, I can't help noticing it was a situation where both are naked, she performs oral sex on him, hormones are flying everywhere, with him having a raging boner, and expecting him to read her mind in that moment, to know how she is feeling, and 'non-verbal' cues that she doesn't really want it. Men at the best are a bit dumb at reading cues.

This just reads like a bad-hookup.

VICTIM BLAMING? how dare you not realize how men are evil with their raging boners.

The best part about that write up is how they throw shit in like "he lives in the same building as taylor swift" lol as if she was so enchanted by his fame and wealth that she just had to suck his dick.  :omg

It's just...  It's moved to bad experiences.

Clockwork5

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10385 on: January 15, 2018, 11:01:46 PM »
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The first thing to fixing a problem is admitting you have one. And America has too many to count.

Maybe for people born into this society with a silver spoon in their mouths, or fortunate enough to rise to a position of privilege through pure luck they can ignore everything that goes on in favor of their own fortunes, but most of us are not lucky enough to be apart of that segment of the population.

Only in America where you can have the country spend twice as much on bombs, guns, bullets and the military in general as the next 5 other world nations combined, yet have a huge portion of the country barely being able to survive on less than basic necessities will you have people still try and call it great. All the while the government is bought and paid for by anyone with enough money to lobby the politics against the citizens and the media is disinterested in covering anything worth half a damn from a global perspective.

Its a damn shitshow.

What is going on in this place? Why are they all little socialist marxists ? Everything is luck, everything is rigged. America is the big bad wolf and all these innocent middle eastern countries are wonderful places that get treated poorly by superpowers.

Can you link this post so I can rip into them?

God damnit assimilate, you are fucking worthless.

Jansen

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« Reply #10386 on: January 15, 2018, 11:04:52 PM »
hobbit loberts hasn't posted since getting called out yesterday

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« Reply #10387 on: January 15, 2018, 11:09:37 PM »
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The first thing to fixing a problem is admitting you have one. And America has too many to count.

Maybe for people born into this society with a silver spoon in their mouths, or fortunate enough to rise to a position of privilege through pure luck they can ignore everything that goes on in favor of their own fortunes, but most of us are not lucky enough to be apart of that segment of the population.

Only in America where you can have the country spend twice as much on bombs, guns, bullets and the military in general as the next 5 other world nations combined, yet have a huge portion of the country barely being able to survive on less than basic necessities will you have people still try and call it great. All the while the government is bought and paid for by anyone with enough money to lobby the politics against the citizens and the media is disinterested in covering anything worth half a damn from a global perspective.

Its a damn shitshow.

What is going on in this place? Why are they all little socialist marxists ? Everything is luck, everything is rigged. America is the big bad wolf and all these innocent middle eastern countries are wonderful places that get treated poorly by superpowers.

Can you link this post so I can rip into them?

God damnit assimilate, you are fucking worthless.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3339205/

sphagnum

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10388 on: January 15, 2018, 11:10:40 PM »
What is going on in this place? Why are they all little socialist marxists ?

If only.

Momo

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« Reply #10389 on: January 15, 2018, 11:14:07 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/chelsea-manning-files-to-run-for-u-s-senate-in-maryland.16236/page-22#post-3336917
Quote from: The Adder, Resettlement Advisor
"They're not neo-nazi's guys. They're just saying all that anti-semetic shit to be contrarian! Also, stop talking about that thing we know is factually true, it's exhausting."
Quote from: some new age neonazi Chelsea Assange supporter
That's absolutely not what I said. I want to be clear that I was referring to their support of an insurgent candidacy (and Manning is very clearly not running on a platform of white nationalism), not neo-Nazism. That said, I'm out of here. Thanks for the discussion.
Quote from: The Adder, Resettlement Advisor
They always tuck tail.
:delicious
How is this idiot not banned yet?  :heh

Let's Cyber

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10390 on: January 16, 2018, 12:04:11 AM »
That Aziz Ansari thread was a rollercoaster.

You know shit is off the rails when the mods are just forced to lock down the thread to stop the regulars from eating each other.  Seeing some of the old gang attacking the WaPo and NYT, god damn.

Pwnz

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« Reply #10391 on: January 16, 2018, 12:04:25 AM »
Now that women in the media are saying the Aziz Ansari story isn't literal rape the narrative is that the media loves Aziz and is trying to protect him?

who the fuck loves Aziz?

To be honest, I'm not even sure how I am supposed to take this revelation.

A woman goes back to his apartment with him. They get naked. He performs oral sex on her, she performs oral sex on him. She then goes on about 'non-verbal' cues, and that she wasn't sure whether he read those non-verba cues. He wanted to have sex, she said no, they didn't have sex.

Another thing I notice in the story is a lot of it is about what she felt. She felt uncomfortable, she felt pressured.

This is not to say he wasn't necessarily aggressive, I just don't know what I am supposed to think about it. It seems like a really clumsy get together in which she didn't like the experience. And that is fine. However, I can't help noticing it was a situation where both are naked, she performs oral sex on him, hormones are flying everywhere with him having a raging boner, expecting him to read her mind in that moment to know how she is feeling, and read 'non-verbal' cues that she doesn't really want it. Men at the best of times are a bit dumb at reading cues.

This just reads like a bad-hookup.

This was my take away from it, but not posting that there because I'd just get banned. I also see this devaluing the me too movement and honestly a bit immature to effectively take out Aziz's career for a bad hookup.

Regardless better sex ed classes about consent, communicating it, and when it becomes assault and how to report it seem prudent.

I've discussed the Aziz case with my wife and her friends  they all agree it was a bad, sloppy date and some are even mocking the me too movement. On reset any moderate skepticism of the accuser is immediately blaming the victim, and everyone else is wrong. 

shosta

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10392 on: January 16, 2018, 12:08:46 AM »
Now that women in the media are saying the Aziz Ansari story isn't literal rape the narrative is that the media loves Aziz and is trying to protect him?

who the fuck loves Aziz?

To be honest, I'm not even sure how I am supposed to take this revelation.

A woman goes back to his apartment with him. They get naked. He performs oral sex on her, she performs oral sex on him. She then goes on about 'non-verbal' cues, and that she wasn't sure whether he read those non-verba cues. He wanted to have sex, she said no, they didn't have sex.

Another thing I notice in the story is a lot of it is about what she felt. She felt uncomfortable, she felt pressured.

This is not to say he wasn't necessarily aggressive, I just don't know what I am supposed to think about it. It seems like a really clumsy get together in which she didn't like the experience. And that is fine. However, I can't help noticing it was a situation where both are naked, she performs oral sex on him, hormones are flying everywhere with him having a raging boner, expecting him to read her mind in that moment to know how she is feeling, and read 'non-verbal' cues that she doesn't really want it. Men at the best of times are a bit dumb at reading cues.

This just reads like a bad-hookup.
It's hard to appreciate what intimidation is like until you're in that situation. One time someone threatened to rape and kill me in a bar and I was so completely frozen I couldn't tell anyone I needed help. At first I thought if I ignored him he'd go away. I didn't want to agitate him or else I thought I'd really be in trouble. But eventually as he got more aggressive in tone and started grabbing my inner thigh I was stuck in a thought loop about how I didn't want to die yet. It took a bartender giving me the "you good?" thumbs up and me responding with just terror in my eyes that a bouncer had to step in.

I wasn't there and I don't know what Aziz did. I will say that if she cried in the cab back home then I'm willing to give her side of the story the benefit of the doubt.

I have also been in Aziz's situation. It is already hard to tell what someone else wants. It is much harder when you're pumping with testosterone to consider the needs of the person you're trying to fuck. You'll consider anything consent. If that Babe article resonated with a lot of women then what I'm writing here should resonate with a lot of men.

Whatever happened, it's unfortunate.
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Leadbelly

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10393 on: January 16, 2018, 12:15:23 AM »
Now that women in the media are saying the Aziz Ansari story isn't literal rape the narrative is that the media loves Aziz and is trying to protect him?

who the fuck loves Aziz?

To be honest, I'm not even sure how I am supposed to take this revelation.

A woman goes back to his apartment with him. They get naked. He performs oral sex on her, she performs oral sex on him. She then goes on about 'non-verbal' cues, and that she wasn't sure whether he read those non-verba cues. He wanted to have sex, she said no, they didn't have sex.

Another thing I notice in the story is a lot of it is about what she felt. She felt uncomfortable, she felt pressured.

This is not to say he wasn't necessarily aggressive, I just don't know what I am supposed to think about it. It seems like a really clumsy get together in which she didn't like the experience. And that is fine. However, I can't help noticing it was a situation where both are naked, she performs oral sex on him, hormones are flying everywhere with him having a raging boner, expecting him to read her mind in that moment to know how she is feeling, and read 'non-verbal' cues that she doesn't really want it. Men at the best of times are a bit dumb at reading cues.

This just reads like a bad-hookup.

This was my take away from it, but not posting that there because I'd just get banned. I also see this devaluing the me too movement and honestly a bit immature to effectively take out Aziz's career for a bad hookup.

Regardless better sex ed classes about consent, communicating it, and when it becomes assault and how to report it seem prudent.

I've discussed the Aziz case with my wife and her friends  they all agree it was a bad, sloppy date and some are even mocking the me too movement. On reset any moderate skepticism of the accuser is immediately blaming the victim, and everyone else is wrong.

Well, the thing is, if you don't want to suck his dick, don't suck his dick. She goes on about 'non-verbal' cues. Well, did you push him away and put your clothes back on? it seems no. At least nothing in the sotry indicates that. How are people supposed to read these cues? When you actually agree to suck his dick at the very least it is mixed messaging.

Again a lot of it is about how she felt. She felt pressured and that's why she agreed to suck his dick. Okay, but how is he supposed to know this?

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« Reply #10394 on: January 16, 2018, 12:18:45 AM »
I have a friend on FB that shared a story of Aziz being overly aggressive with two uninterested 18 year olds backstage at a concert in 2008 or 2009. Without giving specifics since it isn’t my story, he just comes across as a sleazy dude. It wasn’t assaulty behavior or anything, but it was definitely unflattering and fratty behavior. Nick Kroll was involved too.
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« Reply #10395 on: January 16, 2018, 12:26:40 AM »
Now that women in the media are saying the Aziz Ansari story isn't literal rape the narrative is that the media loves Aziz and is trying to protect him?

who the fuck loves Aziz?

To be honest, I'm not even sure how I am supposed to take this revelation.

A woman goes back to his apartment with him. They get naked. He performs oral sex on her, she performs oral sex on him. She then goes on about 'non-verbal' cues, and that she wasn't sure whether he read those non-verba cues. He wanted to have sex, she said no, they didn't have sex.

Another thing I notice in the story is a lot of it is about what she felt. She felt uncomfortable, she felt pressured.

This is not to say he wasn't necessarily aggressive, I just don't know what I am supposed to think about it. It seems like a really clumsy get together in which she didn't like the experience. And that is fine. However, I can't help noticing it was a situation where both are naked, she performs oral sex on him, hormones are flying everywhere with him having a raging boner, expecting him to read her mind in that moment to know how she is feeling, and read 'non-verbal' cues that she doesn't really want it. Men at the best of times are a bit dumb at reading cues.

This just reads like a bad-hookup.

This was my take away from it, but not posting that there because I'd just get banned. I also see this devaluing the me too movement and honestly a bit immature to effectively take out Aziz's career for a bad hookup.

Regardless better sex ed classes about consent, communicating it, and when it becomes assault and how to report it seem prudent.

I've discussed the Aziz case with my wife and her friends  they all agree it was a bad, sloppy date and some are even mocking the me too movement. On reset any moderate skepticism of the accuser is immediately blaming the victim, and everyone else is wrong.

Well, the thing is, if you don't want to suck his dick, don't suck his dick. She goes on about 'non-verbal' cues. Well, did you push him away and put your clothes back on? it seems no. At least nothing in the sotry indicates that. How are people supposed to read these cues? When you actually agree to suck his dick at the very least it is mixed messaging.

Again a lot of it is about how she felt. She felt pressured and that's why she agreed to suck his dick. Okay, but how is he supposed to know this?

I agree and she needed to communicate more clearly if she wasn't interested.

Honestly her account to me seemed selfish and immature. She sent mixed messages, focused on her feelings, and expected Aziz to read these feelings, and attacks Aziz from anonymity putting his career in jeopardy. There's not much thought with regard with Aziz's feelings or wellbeing. 

benjipwns

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« Reply #10396 on: January 16, 2018, 12:27:46 AM »
I have a friend on FB that shared a story of Aziz being overly aggressive with two uninterested 18 year olds backstage at a concert in 2008 or 2009. Without giving specifics since it isn’t my story, he just comes across as a sleazy dude. It wasn’t assaulty behavior or anything, but it was definitely unflattering and fratty behavior. Nick Kroll was involved too.
ha heard the same kind of thing about the same exact two people from someone who worked where they did a show

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hopefully those TWO uninterested 18 year olds have learned their lesson  :ohyou
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Leadbelly

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10397 on: January 16, 2018, 12:29:09 AM »
Now that women in the media are saying the Aziz Ansari story isn't literal rape the narrative is that the media loves Aziz and is trying to protect him?

who the fuck loves Aziz?

To be honest, I'm not even sure how I am supposed to take this revelation.

A woman goes back to his apartment with him. They get naked. He performs oral sex on her, she performs oral sex on him. She then goes on about 'non-verbal' cues, and that she wasn't sure whether he read those non-verba cues. He wanted to have sex, she said no, they didn't have sex.

Another thing I notice in the story is a lot of it is about what she felt. She felt uncomfortable, she felt pressured.

This is not to say he wasn't necessarily aggressive, I just don't know what I am supposed to think about it. It seems like a really clumsy get together in which she didn't like the experience. And that is fine. However, I can't help noticing it was a situation where both are naked, she performs oral sex on him, hormones are flying everywhere with him having a raging boner, expecting him to read her mind in that moment to know how she is feeling, and read 'non-verbal' cues that she doesn't really want it. Men at the best of times are a bit dumb at reading cues.

This just reads like a bad-hookup.
It's hard to appreciate what intimidation is like until you're in that situation. One time someone threatened to rape and kill me in a bar and I was so completely frozen I couldn't tell anyone I needed help. At first I thought if I ignored him he'd go away. I didn't want to agitate him or else I thought I'd really be in trouble. But eventually as he got more aggressive in tone and started grabbing my inner thigh I was stuck in a thought loop about how I didn't want to die yet. It took a bartender giving me the "you good?" thumbs up and me responding with just terror in my eyes that a bouncer had to step in.

I wasn't there and I don't know what Aziz did. I will say that if she cried in the cab back home then I'm willing to give her side of the story the benefit of the doubt.

I have also been in Aziz's situation. It is already hard to tell what someone else wants. It is much harder when you're pumping with testosterone to consider the needs of the person you're trying to fuck. You'll consider anything consent. If that Babe article resonated with a lot of women then what I'm writing here should resonate with a lot of men.

Whatever happened, it's unfortunate.

Yeah. I guess it felt hard for her to communicate what she wanted.

Again though, it is hard for Aziz to fully understand this.

shosta

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10398 on: January 16, 2018, 12:29:47 AM »
Well, the thing is, if you don't want to suck his dick, don't suck his dick. She goes on about 'non-verbal' cues. Well, did you push him away and put your clothes back on? it seems no. At least nothing in the sotry indicates that. How are people supposed to read these cues? When you actually agree to suck his dick at the very least it is mixed messaging.

Again a lot of it is about how she felt. She felt pressured and that's why she agreed to suck his dick. Okay, but how is he supposed to know this?
This is that weird place socially where men don't understand they're causing this to happen because women are agreeable. It's really easy to pressure people into having sex with you. I am speaking from years of experience doing just this before I ever noticed I was doing anything wrong. It's not a good thing. I think the fact that it happens so frequently is kind of the point.

To empathize with this, imagine someone guilted you into sleeping at your place regularly after parties. You don't like them all that much but you decide to because you don't want them drunk driving or they live pretty far and an uber is like $30 to where they're going. You'd feel a little used and annoyed. Now imagine that instead of the favor being sleeping over, it's them sticking their penis inside of you while their schlubby body grunts on top of you.
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curly

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10399 on: January 16, 2018, 12:31:07 AM »
Now that women in the media are saying the Aziz Ansari story isn't literal rape the narrative on Era is that the media loves Aziz and is trying to protect him?

who the fuck loves Aziz?

uhh Refinery29 called him a "certified woke bae," way to betray your ignorance


shosta

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« Reply #10401 on: January 16, 2018, 12:32:56 AM »
Yeah. I guess it felt hard for her to communicate what she wanted.

Again though, it is hard for Aziz to fully understand this.
Yeah, that's why I'm admitting that I've been here, too. People are really accommodating and end up doing the opposite of the rational thing you think you'd do in certain social situations. That's like, the whole plot of Seinfeld.
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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10402 on: January 16, 2018, 12:34:59 AM »
Well, the thing is, if you don't want to suck his dick, don't suck his dick. She goes on about 'non-verbal' cues. Well, did you push him away and put your clothes back on? it seems no. At least nothing in the sotry indicates that. How are people supposed to read these cues? When you actually agree to suck his dick at the very least it is mixed messaging.

Again a lot of it is about how she felt. She felt pressured and that's why she agreed to suck his dick. Okay, but how is he supposed to know this?
This is that weird place socially where men don't understand they're causing this to happen because women are agreeable. It's really easy to pressure people into having sex with you. I am speaking from years of experience doing just this before I ever noticed I was doing anything wrong. It's not a good thing. I think the fact that it happens so frequently is kind of the point.

To empathize with this, imagine someone guilted you into sleeping at your place regularly after parties. You don't like them all that much but you decide to because you don't want them drunk driving or they live pretty far and an uber is like $30 to where they're going. You'd feel a little used and annoyed. Now imagine that instead of the favor being sleeping over, it's them sticking their penis inside of you while their schlubby body grunts on top of you.

That sounds like a big ass generalization and that example is kind of terrible, no offense. I think that is the reason why some people have actually reacted with such backlash about this.

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Re: The Other Forums Gentlemen's Thread for Refined Discussion of Uncouth Behavior
« Reply #10403 on: January 16, 2018, 12:37:35 AM »
I hope John Fugelsang is clean. He's like the only political comedian I like any more.

etiolate

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« Reply #10404 on: January 16, 2018, 12:37:46 AM »
Girls need to exercise their agency. If you want the standard that the male must be the aggressor but any sort of pressure is wrong then I don't know how you untangle that without women stepping forward to say what they want or don't want.

Read my mind signals is not the answer.

I think the age difference between the two was a major factor in the situation. Different expectations and experiences.

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« Reply #10405 on: January 16, 2018, 12:44:02 AM »
Well, the thing is, if you don't want to suck his dick, don't suck his dick. She goes on about 'non-verbal' cues. Well, did you push him away and put your clothes back on? it seems no. At least nothing in the sotry indicates that. How are people supposed to read these cues? When you actually agree to suck his dick at the very least it is mixed messaging.

Again a lot of it is about how she felt. She felt pressured and that's why she agreed to suck his dick. Okay, but how is he supposed to know this?
This is that weird place socially where men don't understand they're causing this to happen because women are agreeable. It's really easy to pressure people into having sex with you. I am speaking from years of experience doing just this before I ever noticed I was doing anything wrong. It's not a good thing. I think the fact that it happens so frequently is kind of the point.

To empathize with this, imagine someone guilted you into sleeping at your place regularly after parties. You don't like them all that much but you decide to because you don't want them drunk driving or they live pretty far and an uber is like $30 to where they're going. You'd feel a little used and annoyed. Now imagine that instead of the favor being sleeping over, it's them sticking their penis inside of you while their schlubby body grunts on top of you.

I can understand the way in which women can feel pressured into doing something. And it seems to be the case with her.

The problem though is exactly how should we view this case. Because okay Aziz may have been very forward, lets say, but ultimately the notion that it means sexual assault, it seems a stretch to call it that.




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« Reply #10406 on: January 16, 2018, 12:46:22 AM »
Crap on a stick.


I was just saying it's strange how the Aziz defense is now some conspiracy story instead of people realizing that there are different levels of sexual pressure ranging from rape to coercion and we need to create new buckets in our heads to label them.  Now I've got a half-dozen people quoting my OG post and saying she should have said "no" more forcefully. 

Gloria Allred is gonna have my legs.   


Edit: And again, why the fuck would the media love Aziz?  What does he bring to the table?
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« Reply #10407 on: January 16, 2018, 12:48:19 AM »
Both people can have misrepresented and misread cues of the other person, accidentally or even deliberately, and one person can still be predominantly at fault for any actions after that point. At least to where they should apologize.

The whole point of the continual consent thing originally, at least from non-crazy people, was not absurdist notions of vengeance but ideally one empowering enough so that people did not feel bad doing what at least in one version of this story I read, this woman actually did and Aziz to his credit accepted, that she was no longer comfortable and shouldn't be assumed to be continued consenting to anything further.

I'll let the peanut gallery decide if the fact that we need to promote such an idea or that not only are there people who fear being entrapped by social common sense but people who seemingly wish to promote that fear is more distressing.

The answer is of course that the Nintendo Switch needs that consent app built-in.

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« Reply #10408 on: January 16, 2018, 12:49:50 AM »
That sounds like a big ass generalization and that example is kind of terrible, no offense. I think that is the reason why some people have actually reacted with such backlash about this.
I'm not going to take offense from you expressing your opinion, as I'm not that type of person.

I'm not saying it's impossible for the onus to be on a girl to speak up. I should mention that that's also part of the movement (for some people; I've seen others call it victim blaming): "you don't have to have sex". Hell, people have been teaching their daughters that since the 80s. We probably both agree there is a happy middle somewhere here where everyone learns something. I'm just trying to explain why someone might give someone else a blowjob and still feel violated after.
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« Reply #10409 on: January 16, 2018, 12:51:52 AM »
I hope John Fugelsang is clean. He's like the only political comedian I like any more.
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« Reply #10410 on: January 16, 2018, 12:54:08 AM »
The problem though is exactly how should we view this case. Because okay Aziz may have been very forward, lets say, but ultimately the notion that it means sexual assault, it seems a stretch to call it that.
It isn't sexual assault. Sexual assault is assaulting someone and then having sexual contact with them. At least that's how I, as what benji would call a non-crazy person, view that.

The way I view this case in general it is that it was unfortunate and I wish I knew more details.

And when it comes to correcting social conduct like this I think obviously the correct avenue to debate it is the public sphere, where everyone is engaging in good faith and thinking clearly and rationally.  :american oh shit hold on
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« Reply #10411 on: January 16, 2018, 12:55:41 AM »
What I don't get is why this had to be public. It was awkward, messy and Aziz doesn't end up looking good, but it's more a personal encounter for those involved to work out.


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« Reply #10412 on: January 16, 2018, 01:03:03 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/posts/3344870/

The trickle down effect of poor reading comprehension. Resettlers never had a chance. :(
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« Reply #10413 on: January 16, 2018, 01:12:13 AM »
I will say. I agree this should never have been made public.

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« Reply #10414 on: January 16, 2018, 01:27:14 AM »
At least that's how I, as what benji would call a non-crazy person, view that.
says the guy expressing his slow mental breakdown through his tag

that reminds me i should have saved that wonderfully accurate description of my public politics you made

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« Reply #10415 on: January 16, 2018, 01:31:14 AM »
Now let's get back to joke characters

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3344330/

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« Reply #10416 on: January 16, 2018, 01:35:08 AM »
From that link it’s really sad to see MLK rip off Supreme like that.
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benjipwns

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« Reply #10417 on: January 16, 2018, 01:36:22 AM »
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a freaking alt right Nazi sympathizer in Assange nor Russia who tried creating discord and animosity through hijacking the BLM movement
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« Reply #10418 on: January 16, 2018, 01:36:29 AM »
need emoji of MLKMAGA

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« Reply #10419 on: January 16, 2018, 01:38:58 AM »
all these "SHE'S NOT QUALIFIED TO BE A SENATOR" posts make me laugh

i feel like "THEY'RE NOT QUALIFIED!!!" is the last refuge of the partisan scoundrel

also, semi-ironic to be coming increasingly from the party that proudly traces its lineage back to the Jacksonian concept of The Democracy, and before that Jeffersonian Republicanism

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« Reply #10420 on: January 16, 2018, 01:42:08 AM »
So what happens when a certified woke bae becomes a cheeseburger shark  ???

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« Reply #10421 on: January 16, 2018, 01:44:22 AM »
that reminds me i should have saved that wonderfully accurate description of my public politics you made
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Benji's like an anarcho social democrat who desires a strong and robust healthcare system and universal basic income for anyone below 300% of the poverty line but 1) rightly fosters an undying hatred of the state and its history of crimes against humanity, and 2) accepts the indisputable effiency of human markets over state machinery.
I ended up in the same place some time ago so it's easy for me to recognize.
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« Reply #10422 on: January 16, 2018, 01:47:58 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/posts/3344870/

The trickle down effect of poor reading comprehension. Resettlers never had a chance. :(

137 posts in and slayven still never read the op.
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« Reply #10423 on: January 16, 2018, 01:51:14 AM »
all these "SHE'S NOT QUALIFIED TO BE A SENATOR" posts make me laugh

i feel like "THEY'RE NOT QUALIFIED!!!" is the last refuge of the partisan scoundrel

also, semi-ironic to be coming increasingly from the party that proudly traces its lineage back to the Jacksonian concept of The Democracy, and before that Jeffersonian Republicanism

I trace my lineage back to Rasputin

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« Reply #10424 on: January 16, 2018, 02:01:50 AM »
i swear you could hear at least one poligaffers head explode whenever i made clear i was totally serious about supporting/preferring UBI to social welfare states, especially in food stamp whining threads :lol

the funnier thing to me is that it's not even an unusual or radical position within right-libertarians or anarcho-capitalists, in fact i probably see support for it there more than among the rest of the dunce corner of the nolan chart

speaking of Milton Friedman, he wasn't even a full libertarian and his version of it (mostly an inverse tax) was his bugaboo for so long and popular among the Goldwater-Reagan conservatives that he nearly convinced Nixon of it as worth pursuing but Greenspan (OBJECTIVIST!) talked him out of it in the best way to convince Nixon of something policy-wise, meet privately to insult the person personally ... Reagan wanted foremost to reform the tax code and had to choose that over anything truly revolutionary like UBI, at least according to Stockman, though admittedly I give Reagan probably too much benefit of the doubt on things due to his management style

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« Reply #10425 on: January 16, 2018, 02:03:31 AM »
I trace my lineage back to Rasputin
i take this as a sly hint that you actually are Rasputin, still alive, and trying to influence my personal election voting


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« Reply #10427 on: January 16, 2018, 02:08:13 AM »
i take this as a sly hint that you actually are Rasputin, still alive, and trying to influence my personal election voting
I remember when a whole thread on GAF lost their minds that you didn't vote and it was ironic to me because the effect you have on politics is probably way greater than a vote would ever produce, namely that you use your position of power in a university to indoctrinate our youth. At least this is what Michael Savage and Art Bell told me.
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« Reply #10428 on: January 16, 2018, 02:26:01 AM »
I tried to illustrate the scope of actual political participation by making the argument that our collective GAF posts were potentially more important than our individual votes many times, especially since our GAF debates continued before and after the scheduled election dates. I don't think many people could grasp that argument even when I blew smoke up GAF's ass about its self-importance.

And I would never use any kind of teaching role to harm the perfect virgin beauty that was our electoral system until Trump and Putin grabbed its pussy and deflowered it forever.

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« Reply #10429 on: January 16, 2018, 02:30:00 AM »
Everything has reverted back to play ground "boys are gross and girls are icky!". I remember it used to be "it's 2015. Head is head." Now we're at "it's 2018. You might get cooties." :goty
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« Reply #10430 on: January 16, 2018, 02:47:30 AM »
The worst thing about cooties is that the viral payload will always be present in your bloodstream and you can only really treat the symptoms.

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« Reply #10431 on: January 16, 2018, 02:56:25 AM »
On reset any moderate skepticism of the accuser is immediately blaming the victim, and everyone else is wrong.

Morrigan must have had some really bad dates to be so reactive any time anybody expresses anything other than 100% unequivocal belief in a #metoo accuser.
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« Reply #10432 on: January 16, 2018, 02:59:49 AM »
Morrigan must have had some really bad dates to be
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« Reply #10433 on: January 16, 2018, 03:03:43 AM »
Without giving specifics since it isn’t my story, he just comes across as a sleazy dude. It wasn’t assaulty behavior or anything, but it was definitely unflattering and fratty behavior. Nick Kroll was involved too.

For a second there, I thought you were talking about Nick Offerman


Edit: And again, why the fuck would the media love Aziz?  What does he bring to the table?

He's a useful token ethnic and Westernized just enough to be palatable to most of America.
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« Reply #10434 on: January 16, 2018, 03:04:28 AM »
The worst thing about cooties is that the viral payload will always be present in your bloodstream and you can only really treat the symptoms.


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how come when i search for cooties the results are all some 2014 zombie movie and not the game that i never understood how it was really a game probably because nobody actually had the whole contents or made up their own shitty rules
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i wonder how much i'm dating myself by talking about the "game" which is probably illegal in half the Western nations at this point:
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« Reply #10435 on: January 16, 2018, 03:05:31 AM »
I know you stupid fucking cunts really do not give a shit at all what Aziz Ansari and some random woman did or didn't do in their sexual encounter so please shut the fuck up and move on
I WAS A FAN OF HUMAN GIANT, I ENCOURAGE ANYTHING THAT FORCES HIM BACK TO THAT RATHER THAN AN ACTUAL CAREER

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« Reply #10436 on: January 16, 2018, 04:31:10 AM »
maybe he's Assimilate

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« Reply #10437 on: January 16, 2018, 04:53:36 AM »
all these "SHE'S NOT QUALIFIED TO BE A SENATOR" posts make me laugh

Will totally riot and take to the streets to stop Trump if needed yet stuck in the foetal position when party candidate doesn't get an uncontested landslide to nomination.
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« Reply #10438 on: January 16, 2018, 05:55:49 AM »
I'm endlessly amused at americans ability to make everything a partisan issue, even literal facts/information.

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« Reply #10439 on: January 16, 2018, 06:00:10 AM »
It's amusing until you live here.
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