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[Rman]

dp

[etiolate]

Now that I realize feminists tell people about creeps, I think we need to revisit this whole subject. I've begun to have some real questions!

[bork]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/revisiting-when-the-left-turns-on-its-own-from-back-in-june-2017-and-healing-neogaf-off-topic-in-2018.1460712/

........

That's why we talk about things."

"OK, but I disagr--"

Banned from NeoGAF and account nuked for responding to His showerliness, Thug1, directly.

Lore trying his hardest to get his forum back on track.  That thread was posted over an hour ago and only has a few replies.  Never thought I'd see GAF in such a sad state.

[Dennis]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/revisiting-when-the-left-turns-on-its-own-from-back-in-june-2017-and-healing-neogaf-off-topic-in-2018.1460712/

Last June we had a thread about the Evergreen campus scandal, and I felt like things had completely gone off the rails on NeoGAF Off-Topic, manifesting in that thread in particular. My mods were either on board with the thread or scared of the backlash for speaking out, and I take responsibility for my failures there, but at any rate I ended up writing something in there that I feel is still relevant to circumstances now. It was concerning hate mobs on the left, echo chambers, and the damage that was done when bishoptl went rogue and banned hundreds of people immediately after the election in secret. It did a lot of harm and I think contributed at least to some extent to the powderkeg that ended up forming later in the year. Anyway, since it was thrown deep in an existing thread and didn't get much visibility, I figured I'd repost it here. For full context, read a bit of the rest of the thread regarding Evergreen.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/when...own-nyt-opinion.1384767/page-6#post-239047632

"
This is all very reminiscent of what happened to off-topic for a couple months post-election. Of course, that madness turned out to be directly induced through sabotage by a now-former admin secretly banning *hundreds* of members totally outside of any justifiable grounds (not that any attempt at justification was made to begin with, being undisclosed and undocumented bans) in some 85-90% of each of those bans that were subsequently investigated after we became aware of the incident.

NeoGAF is a discussion forum; the whole point is to disseminate information and debate it, on civil terms, in an atmosphere that encourages healthy skepticism, fact-checking and credible sourcing, challenging preexisting worldviews and talking points and biases by providing a platform for a diverse audience to contribute, etc. And yes, the site does lean progressive, because it is inclusive and evidence-based and intolerant of hate speech. But while there are core values associated with this place, there's no point in discussion without providing a framework that allows for multiple perspectives to engage with each other.

I mention all this because, particularly for those couple months I mentioned when anyone trying to operate in good faith within the aforementioned parameters I've set up for this place ended up sniped en masse, Off-Topic suddenly became unrecognizable to me some 15 or 16 years after we set this side of the forum up. The place kinda turned into what this Evergreen outcome sounds like: with everyone who tried to contribute to civil discourse systematically thrown down the well, the remaining members either stayed silent or radicalized up, and we were left with a squad of polarized "progressives" unwilling to have a conversation with anyone about issues, repeating the same talking points in every thread to each other in a self-righteous echo chamber, newly confident that any non-conformity would be driven out or otherwise made to disappear. This was not just ostracizing people attempting to challenge reductive, exclusionary "with us or against us" polarized rhetoric, either (and that should absolutely be challenged), but also anyone even trying to have a conversation within that radicalized bubble. People were driven out, character assassinated, labeled traitor for "not sounding angry enough," or for not being entirely on board with ostracizing someone else for the same reasons.

There's nothing righteous, informed, or progressive about that. It's just a sanctimonious, vitriolic, self-destructive circle jerk that drives out the kind of people most valuable to discussion: not the "retweet my Side and quote it in yells or else you're The Enemy" people, but the people engaging on each individual issue with critical thought and an open mind, willingness and capacity to perform independent investigation into the materials initially presented, come to an independent conclusion and present it, and to allow the same from folks who have made similar effort but with different credible sources or different justifiable conclusions than your own.

That's the sort of thing I'm seeing here. Professor's conclusions about the event that prompted the protests should certainly be challenged, but he did justify his positions reasonably and stay civil throughout the argument he presented. Yeah, that annual event change-up is a complicated issue, as we can see by all the folks here struggling with the right and wrong of it, so it's absolutely a legitimate topic for an academic debate. And that's all he did: debate the merits of it and the campus ethics of an exclusionary event with what he felt were undercurrents of pressure to comply or end up branded a racist/traitor/whatever.

...and now we're seeing exactly that, with an aggressive push for his removal, threats against him, and even an order issued that the chief of campus police not take measures to ensure the professor's safety on campus.

Smear campaign articles posted earlier here that attribute *swastikas* being spraypainted by some apparent alt-right dickwads who have involved themselves here, and doxxing alleged to have occurred at some point along the way by third parties unrelated to the professor (alt-right again apparently latching onto this), all somehow ultimately being the the fault of this *progressive activist Jewish professor* (who as far as I can tell has sound credentials, and who one of his long-time students personally vouched for in this thread as someone who wouldn't have a disingenuous, racially motivated angle with this thing) for daring to break formation and have an academic conversation that scrutinized something on "the progressive side" that day.

Nope. Nope. Nope.

World isn't binary, folks. Hyper-partisan, radical, binary, "us or them" environments with constant purity tests demanding adherence to the pre-established talking point of the hour breeds ignorance, intolerance, hate, and self-destruction.

This is why we talk about things. This is why diversity of background/ethnicity/orientation/culture is important within an environment like a campus or a message board: not just as an outcome better representing the diversity of the population it's pulling its membership body from, but critically for the diversity of perspective that results from that intense microcosm you've built, and the insight and nuance of thought it can bring to each participant when they share an appropriately moderated space and each have a fair voice.

That's why we talk about things."

 

Just checked, still banned.

SO MUCH FOR OVERTURNING THE BANS OF BESADA

[Assimilate]

ketkat

Why does it matter that he said unconscious? He still said that feminists have a desire for brutal male domination. Like, he's still saying they have those feelings.

these trans are the fucking worst. why are they so insufferable? i guess because you're taking awkward guys that turned into women and now feel empowered in certain circles. this is the shit you get

 

[bork]

And that last line he wrote is still incredibly hilarious with all the bans.

[bork]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cant-access-resetera-from-sega-dreamcast.18467/

Apparently whatever he started messing with actually fucked with the site for a bit, iirc they said 20 mins.

 Some of the more special people here who F5 all day spotted that and freaked out.

When I got my dreamcast, we ran a 56k phone line across the house and into my room, giving me FINALLY porno in a room where I could lock the door.

The first weekend I had my DC, I legitimately hosted a porno party with some friends who spent the night. It was... awkward.

But damn we abused the shit out of the zoom button in the browser.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Like he has friends
 

[close]

[bork]

Just checked, still banned.

SO MUCH FOR OVERTURNING THE BANS OF BESADA

...

Thanks for the ban reversal by the way @EviLore

[Dennis]

Just checked, still banned.

SO MUCH FOR OVERTURNING THE BANS OF BESADA

...

Thanks for the ban reversal by the way @EviLore

[etiolate]

In the end, Tyler realized that the forum had become nothing but a giant pukefest.

Now he only wants to be showered with love.

[D3RANG3D]

In the end, Tyler realized that the forum had become nothing but a giant pukefest.

Now he only wants to be showered with love.

 

[etiolate]

 



(she's bipartisan)  (she's bi)

[Bravotyler]

Ban lengths on ERA are getting much longer now.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3711092/

wtf, dude should be perm'd for that comment.

He said he was preparing for an impending race war on GAF and planned to assassinate white politicians and didn't catch a perm for it. He's a voice we need to hear.

[agrajag]

If it makes you feel better Dennis, confirmed child connoisseur Amir0x, like you is still banned.

[Dennis]

If it makes you feel better Dennis, confirmed child connoisseur Amir0x, like you is still banned.

Well, that is something at least.

[nudemacusers]

If it makes you feel better Dennis, confirmed child connoisseur Amir0x, like you is still banned.

And freenudemacusers 🙍‍♂️

[Transhuman]

Didn't you get banned for being against herpes or something Dennis?

[Transhuman]

Double fucking post

[etiolate]

You guys keep doing DPs just for filler likes. Truly shameful pandering.

[agrajag]

Didn't you get banned for being against herpes or something Dennis?

A hack job by the pro-herpes lobby on neogaf

[Dennis]

Didn't you get banned for being against herpes or something Dennis?

Eh, OK sure.

[shosta]

If you're getting 503s, it probably still posted. Check in another tab.

[team filler]

I prefer dping the board

[nudemacusers]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3723134/

MEMBER USING MOD-EXCLUSIVE COLOR FORMATTING

[Transhuman]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/would-you-date-a-girl-who-had-genital-herpes.852454/page-3#post-120304702

Dennis is it true that if I bathe my genitals in cucumber water it will prevent the herpes molecules from taking root in my junk?

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Don't be a narc.

[Assimilate]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3723134/

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yet they will ban you outright if you PM them with complaints 

[railGUN]

Shots fucking fired 

Yeah. The new platform we're on is way better about logging all moderation activity transparently. My mods manually logged all bans but since bish had admin-level access that caused some issues as well. Unfortunately...I trusted him. He'd been an admin with this community since the damned '90s. Post-election I was mobilizing all the mods during that time period to try to course correct the forum and he said nothing, while continuing to sabotage it all and systematically forge the worst echo chamber we've ever had. It was only when I caught him in the admin logs and uncovered the hundreds of unlogged bans over the course of like a month or two that were absolutely destroying the site, that he confessed to it all and gave me his reasons. It was really disappointing.

[shosta]

So what's the solution, where the community can voice discontent (and resolve each others' concerns) without derailing threads? An Etcetera Hangouts thread dedicated to moderation complaints and/or site issues.

This is already that thread. Era mods love to read this, or at least they did before it was just the same few posters grinding the same axe over and over again.

[EightBitNate]

Someone with a NeoGAF account:

Please ask Evilore to unban EightBitNate

[railGUN]

I have no interest in getting anyone targeted by internet hate mobs or anything,

*editors note: I think he's talking about Benji

which is why I was very reluctant to even post on the site about it during that time period, since everyone was at each other's throats and the internet was all about doxxing and blowing people up. He claimed that a family member had been the victim of a racial hate crime immediately after the election and that it had tilted him. I was sympathetic initially, but I hadn't uncovered the full extent of the thing during that initial conversation. I found hundreds more undocumented bans, went back and saw that he appeared to be intentionally logging some bans but not others, and when I started going over all the bans one by one, I found about 90% of the undocumented ones to be completely unjustifiable, while the documented ones were more justifiable. That seemed like malicious intent to me.

Anyway, that's all in the past now. Seriously, don't go try to fuck with him or something, just let it be. I've carefully hand-picked the new mod team and I've been guiding them personally and we've all been talking about this interesting opportunity that's emerged to start fresh and take things in a positive direction, and our sysadmins are very talented and we're finally able to actively develop for the site here on xf 2.0. @Gromph pulled off the forum migration in ways that a lot of folks in the field didn't think would be possible while retaining our whole database, with just a few hours of downtime. I'm planning on a separate write-up about that, since it was a seriously badass feat.

What a life!

[Optimus]

Dennis doesn't want a fuck a girl with herpes? No one warned me about him being such an intolerant asshole, I'm keeping an eye on you Dennis.

Personally, I'd get AIDS just to prove how progressive I am.

[Averon]

Evilore is acting like he was some poor, powerless owner with good intentions that was in over his head.  There was just nothing he could have done!

There are idiots who will actually believe this shit 

[Clockwork5]

I really want that mod bitching thread...

I would complain exclusively about Slayven's grammatical challenges.

[VomKriege]

I've carefully hand-picked the new mod team and I've been guiding them personally and we've all been talking about this interesting opportunity that's emerged to start fresh and take things in a positive direction, and our sysadmins are very talented and we're finally able to actively develop for the site here on xf 2.0. @Gromph pulled off the forum migration in ways that a lot of folks in the field didn't think would be possible while retaining our whole database, with just a few hours of downtime. I'm planning on a separate write-up about that, since it was a seriously badass feat.

[HaughtyFrank]

Shots fucking fired 

Yeah. The new platform we're on is way better about logging all moderation activity transparently. My mods manually logged all bans but since bish had admin-level access that caused some issues as well. Unfortunately...I trusted him. He'd been an admin with this community since the damned '90s. Post-election I was mobilizing all the mods during that time period to try to course correct the forum and he said nothing, while continuing to sabotage it all and systematically forge the worst echo chamber we've ever had. It was only when I caught him in the admin logs and uncovered the hundreds of unlogged bans over the course of like a month or two that were absolutely destroying the site, that he confessed to it all and gave me his reasons. It was really disappointing.

So... why didn't he tell this shit the neogaf community?

[Dennis]

NeoGAF and ResetERA don't need dedicated threads for bitching about moderation.

That is what this thread on The Bore is for.

[VomKriege]

Shots fucking fired 

Yeah. The new platform we're on is way better about logging all moderation activity transparently. My mods manually logged all bans but since bish had admin-level access that caused some issues as well. Unfortunately...I trusted him. He'd been an admin with this community since the damned '90s. Post-election I was mobilizing all the mods during that time period to try to course correct the forum and he said nothing, while continuing to sabotage it all and systematically forge the worst echo chamber we've ever had. It was only when I caught him in the admin logs and uncovered the hundreds of unlogged bans over the course of like a month or two that were absolutely destroying the site, that he confessed to it all and gave me his reasons. It was really disappointing.

So... why didn't he tell this shit the neogaf community?

Well he kinda spoke of all that already (with less specifics) but obviously buried as a tangent in some random thread rather than a statement clearing the reasons of the Bish demotion.

He seem pretty adamant that he overturned over "a hundred unjust bans". Like, it wasn't exactly a secret GAF was a ban mill at that time, I find it hard to believe he didn't receive some appeals from people about this. Even being dismissive of complaints and trusting his team, it still sound pretty negligent a way to run a forum.

[Boredfrom]

Somehow he missed Besada being as bad as Bish while trying to reign on his mods. Also how the fuck this explains modbot.

[Dennis]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/would-you-date-a-girl-who-had-genital-herpes.852454/page-3#post-120304702

Dennis is it true that if I bathe my genitals in cucumber water it will prevent the herpes molecules from taking root in my junk?

Oh wait, I really did get banned for that, now I remember.

 

[EightBitNate]

I really want that mod bitching thread...

I would complain exclusively about Slayven's grammatical challenges.

Who do y’all think Slayven’s tag is directed at

I get nervous posting in threads with him lol

[Clockwork5]

Shots fucking fired 

Yeah. The new platform we're on is way better about logging all moderation activity transparently. My mods manually logged all bans but since bish had admin-level access that caused some issues as well. Unfortunately...I trusted him. He'd been an admin with this community since the damned '90s. Post-election I was mobilizing all the mods during that time period to try to course correct the forum and he said nothing, while continuing to sabotage it all and systematically forge the worst echo chamber we've ever had. It was only when I caught him in the admin logs and uncovered the hundreds of unlogged bans over the course of like a month or two that were absolutely destroying the site, that he confessed to it all and gave me his reasons. It was really disappointing.

So... why didn't he tell this shit the neogaf community?

The reality is that while bishop may have acted against the will of T1, he did what the community wanted he banned those that the community wanted banned and he got rid of those who contaminated the hive mind with wrong think. The community would have never sided with T1. You can't have gadflies in your social studies seminar.

Now it is entirely possible that T1 is full of shit and only searching for some sympathy from his new little army of shitlords.

[etiolate]

If he had any real self-reflection then he wouldn't be going right back to validating himself through a nerd forum.

[nudemacusers]

If evilore truly cares about the health of the community, he’ll unban me immediately. I shudder to think of the number of non-designer sweatpants being worn right now over there. 🤢

[Bore Expert]

Did evilore file a police report after being roofied and sodomized by the Scientology Sex Cult?

[BlueTsunami]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3723134/

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When a nicca just tryna have fun. Even the color spectrum isnt safe

[VomKriege]

It's also pretty crass to air (at least with such details) things bishop confided to him. Somehow I doubt Evilore contacted him recently to ask if it would be OK to mention all this. I say this as someone who is no bish fan and can certainly believe he banned some people outside "due" process.

[nudemacusers]

I was thinking today about how I rarely see people hooking up with each other on a gaming forum these days.

[Mr. Nobody]

It's also pretty crass to air (at least with such details) things bishop confided to him. Somehow I doubt Evilore contacted him recently to ask if it would be OK to mention all this. I say this as someone who is no bish fan and can certainly believe he banned some people outside "due" process.

I'm not at all surprised. He very openly undermined bishop while he was still admin at times.

[clothedmacuser]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3723134/

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Hstallion is such a cock sucker in that thread.

[shosta]

I really want that mod bitching thread...

I would complain exclusively about Slayven's grammatical challenges.

Who do y’all think Slayven’s tag is directed at

I get nervous posting in threads with him lol

It's about people on Voat who made the BCT their target for years.

[Averon]

It's also pretty crass to air (at least with such details) things bishop confided to him. Somehow I doubt Evilore contacted him recently to ask if it would be OK to mention all this. I say this as someone who is no bish fan and can certainly believe he banned some people outside "due" process.

The guy is a craven, egotistical twat currently undergoing a brazen PR campaign to fix his image. He is going to throw everyone under the bus to try to get people to like him now. Anyone on the old mod staff who have ever confided in him (why would you?) should be prepared to have their stuff aired out if EL thinks it will help him.

[Jansen]

I have no interest in getting anyone targeted by internet hate mobs or anything,

*editors note: I think he's talking about Benji

which is why I was very reluctant to even post on the site about it during that time period, since everyone was at each other's throats and the internet was all about doxxing and blowing people up. He claimed that a family member had been the victim of a racial hate crime immediately after the election and that it had tilted him. I was sympathetic initially, but I hadn't uncovered the full extent of the thing during that initial conversation. I found hundreds more undocumented bans, went back and saw that he appeared to be intentionally logging some bans but not others, and when I started going over all the bans one by one, I found about 90% of the undocumented ones to be completely unjustifiable, while the documented ones were more justifiable. That seemed like malicious intent to me.

Anyway, that's all in the past now. Seriously, don't go try to fuck with him or something, just let it be. I've carefully hand-picked the new mod team and I've been guiding them personally and we've all been talking about this interesting opportunity that's emerged to start fresh and take things in a positive direction, and our sysadmins are very talented and we're finally able to actively develop for the site here on xf 2.0. @Gromph pulled off the forum migration in ways that a lot of folks in the field didn't think would be possible while retaining our whole database, with just a few hours of downtime. I'm planning on a separate write-up about that, since it was a seriously badass feat.

What a life!

and the BCT on era will still fall all over themselves to defend his sorry ass

bishoptl was always as petty as lore but he wasn't able to nuke accounts.

[VomKriege]

"Inciting a mutiny"
 
It's a videogame forum, not 1905 Russia.

Also lol at the Evilore GAF thread sitting currently at 21 replies including 4 posts from Malka himself and 2 from mods.

[Atramental]

I have to say, I’m so thankful I discovered the bore. 

[BlueTsunami]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3723134/

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Hstallion is such a cock sucker in that thread.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3724930/

[Let's Cyber]

Finally getting the dirt on the Bish demotion.

 

EviLore deciding to wax poetic about his burned down house while sitting in the ashes.

 

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/3723134/

MEMBER USING MOD-EXCLUSIVE COLOR FORMATTING

Hstallion is such a cock sucker in that thread.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/anybody-else-autistic-and-have-trouble-meeting-people.1177589/#post-193752011

[EightBitNate]

I really want that mod bitching thread...

I would complain exclusively about Slayven's grammatical challenges.

Who do y’all think Slayven’s tag is directed at

I get nervous posting in threads with him lol

It's about people on Voat who made the BCT their target for years.

Yeah but those people didn’t make ResetEra accounts.

[Let's Cyber]

Also I'm lucky in that I'm pretty astute and funny.

[shosta]

Yeah but those people didn’t make ResetEra accounts.

You sure we didn't?