Eating Meat

[Cerveza mas fina]

I love eating meat. But for the past 2 years I've been only buying organic, free range meat as its better for the environment and me and a more normal life for the animals. We buy less, but better quality at home.

This year we stopped buying beef at home, we still eat it at restaurants sometimes but we don't buy it in our daily shopping. Mainly for CO2-methane reasons but also for health stuff. Now I'm skipping eating meat at lunch at work as I think eating meat twice a day is too much, plus its not organic but just factory meat.

Also at home we seem to do more and more vegetarian days (1-2 days veg, 2-3 day chicken, fish, pork) . Seems I'm slowly drifting to becoming a de facto vegetarian, but I still like meat and don't see myself stopping completely with it. And it's not like if I'm visiting someone I won't eat it or talk about it or ask if its organic or anything.

So key reasons for eating less meat (and if organic):
-Enviroment
-Health
-Animal Welfare

Reasons for keep eating sometimes:
-Taste good

Anyone else eating less meat or being more conscious about it lately?

[shosta]

Never strict but I'm on and off again vegetarian. Just try to watch out for compensating with carbs. There's a reason so many vegetarians in India are diabetic (ok, genetics plays a large factor here, too).

[Cerveza mas fina]

I just eat alternative proteins so that the diet is still balanced.

But at lunch we often lack an alternative protein so I noticed I eat more carbs and fat

[shosta]

Relatedly, I really don't know what to think about nutrition anymore. My personal anecdote is I lost 35 pounds on a keto. But the America Heart Association doesn't like that. But some research came out saying there's no link between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol. Also sugar is probably the root of heart disease. But that's controversial and I'm fairly conservative about what I believe. So I don't know. I guess I'll just keep doing the exercise, eating real food, and not being fat thing.

[hungrynoob]

There was a dr on the joe rogan podcast recently who eats a strictly carnivorous diet. He went into detail about how few people have tried it since the 30s or some shit. However, those who do, are younger and a lot more fit and athletic. The prime example was one of the first who was 50 but built far beyond any man or knowledge of fitness for their time and looked early 30s. He explained that the body nutritional requirements for vitamins and such are significantly lower when carbs and veg are completely removed from the diet, and that there was a correlation of the increase in diagnosed cancer against the rise in popularization of veg/vegan diets.  Theres still very little materials on the subject right now and i cant explain exactly why it works but he does, i just cant remember - i dont know how true all that is. However, there have been certain groups of people like the inuits who survived only on meat and have been relatively free from disease compared to normal people. Theres just very little research done on people in modern society in general. So im not willing to completely dismiss it.

However, there is a company in the states who are now growing their meat from stem cells and selling them as product, so give it some time, I feel like this will become the norm more rapidly.

[Cerveza mas fina]

That sounds like total BS.

People that have been on a whale diet are being urged to stop as it is dangerously toxic. Just saw a docu about this not long ago.

[nudemacusers]

I’ve cut down in meat consumption, especially red meat, but am making up for by increasing my collection of tanned skins and furs. 

[Beezy]

I only eat meat once or twice a week now, unless I'm on vacation or something. And when I do have it, I mainly stick to fish  and chicken.  I rarely eat beef anymore. I avoid dairy products too.

[Nabbis]

This fucking vegan hysteria is driving me mad. I don't indulge in meat as if it's the only thing worth eating but given my knowledge of the digestive system and biochemisty half of this hippy shit is outright lies and the other half filled with questionable statistical analysis drawing sloppy causality conclusions. This is regards to health from meat eating. Don't know enough about the environmental aspect besides the basic stuff so i wont comment on it.

Some basic, almost factual, advice towards food is to be wary of simple carbohydrate and try to eat foods with low glycemic index, avoid food that increases LDL lipoproteins and limit salt intake. Even though this is also a shot in the dark since there are many people with varying tolerance levels in regards to how much they can eat that stuff before visible health problems.

Here's a picture to see just how complex it is.

[Corporal]

I could never become a vegetarian - and vegan is completely out of the question.

Conscious consumption of meat, as in cutting back on how often you eat it and improving the quality of each serving (e.g. Buying from a local farm that butchers on the premises, avoiding industry meats etc) is most definitely a worthy undertaking though. I must confess I'm not always consequent about this because cheap fastfood meats are just way too tempting. I do try, though.

~story time~
Best meat I ever ate was from a cow that routinely would wander over to intently stare at our breakfast table at our vacation home a decade ago (and occasionally try to eat the tablecloth for whatever reason - it probably made sense for a cow).
The farmer had to reinforce the fence around that area - cows have surprisingly long necks and tongues and very little regard for electro shocks. It was really funny to see how interesting our meals seemed to be for that bovine gourmand.
I occasionally fed it grass and petted it, ...and then one day a nice man with a white coat and a suitcase came to the farm and talked to the cow and then shanked her ass when nobody was looking, cow included. A few weeks later we bought a vast assortment of delicious meats and sausages from that nice man. It was grand. Then six years later the thirty-odd years old farmer went for a quick nap at noon and never woke up again, leaving his widow and three kids to fend for themselves, and we got kicked from the vacation home.
The end.

[hungrynoob]

That sounds like total BS.

People that have been on a whale diet are being urged to stop as it is dangerously toxic. Just saw a docu about this not long ago.

Its easy to say it sounds like total BS when we dont really know what we're talking about. The man is an orthopedic surgeon and theres a distinct lack of info when I search for info on carnivore diet, so in the mean time until proven otherwise, i'd like to think hes not completely talking out his ass as he probably knows how the body works better than me. But by all means, listen for yourself, he goes into detail explaining how it works so you'll get a better idea than just me telling you. Rogan deals him a healthy dose of skepticism, and challenges some of his claims. So go from there.



edit: btw whale is a very specific kind of meat, this isnt the same as what i said. The Inuits for sure have survived on a carnivore diet and dodged disease better than modern society.

[ToxicAdam]

I only eat chicken and turkey. I eat it daily.

Red meat doesn't agree with me anymore. Pork or fish, maybe once a month.

[hungrynoob]

Its easy to say it sounds like total BS when we dont really know what we're talking about. The man is an orthopedic surgeon

bruh if you're gonna appeal to authority at least do it right

No thats right, respecting a man's dedication to medical science thoughout his life to validate a simple fact that maybe HIS claims arent totally baseless with real world examples, was completely and totally wrong of me, even if I never once said what he is claiming is factual evidence.

Im a dumb dumb. 

[Rufus]

That's one thing, orthopedic surgery is another.

[seagrams hotsauce]

I mean, Ben Carson is a brain surgeon, but a total idiot on literally every other topic on the planet. I'm not sure why a dude is exceptionally qualified to talk about dietetics because he can fix a spine.

[Tasty]

Not sure I could live without steak and seafood tbh.

[naff]

  keep at it Lager, supporting ethical meat production does more to change the industry than just abdicating altogether. i don't see the market really changing in the west that much though, ethical options are there for the privileged. i've never actually seen any stats on how the markets trending re: sustainable/free range (ethical) meat production vs battery farming. i don't care about organic at all, there are still a bunch of organic compounds used in organic sprays that allow you to get the "organic" label that fuck with water tables and pollute the environment. it's a marketing farce, lots of food production methods deemed inorganic can be (and are) less environmentally damaging than many organic methods. it's a poor, and overused, yardstick for sustainable and good quality production.

[hungrynoob]

I mean, Ben Carson is a brain surgeon, but a total idiot on literally every other topic on the planet. I'm not sure why a dude is exceptionally qualified to talk about dietetics because he can fix a spine.

I'm not really sure how to respond to this. I think it's pretty naive to think recognized drs in the medical profession only have knowledge or interest in just one field, if they are interested in medicine theres always a good chance in their spare time they learn about other aspects which might benefit what they specialise in. And orthopedic surgeons are specialists in the body and since hes a fitness advocate and weight lifting world record holder, nutrition isnt something he just got off mensfitness magazines. But a quick google search on stanfords uni course page says this "The goal of the Orthopaedic Research Program is to develop fundamental knowledge to advance the treatment of musculoskeletal injuries and diseases." Considering the fact as part of their extensive training they need to learn about diseases, its not far fetched that hes researched exactly what hes talking about as diseases can be caused/repaired by specific caloric/nutritional profiles.

I stand by what I said, i'm not saying he is correct, but hes got enough behind him to say theres a possibility he isnt just pulling it from his ass.  Keep in mind this is relative to you or I.

[CatsCatsCats]

I honestly think it would be better for me to go vegetarian, choose vegetarian a lot, love black beans and brown rice, but I just keep eating meat. I definitely think eating pigs is fucked up and the meat industry is awful for the environment and morally. I also definitely ate like a couple pounds of pulled pork this week. So you know, idk 😐

[StealthFan]

Eat meat pretty much every day. Live slow die fast, nicca.

[shosta]

I'm not really sure how to respond to this. I think it's pretty naive to think recognized drs in the medical profession only have knowledge or interest in just one field, if they are interested in medicine theres always a good chance in their spare time they learn about other aspects which might benefit what they specialise in. And orthopedic surgeons are specialists in the body and since hes a fitness advocate and weight lifting world record holder, nutrition isnt something he just got off mensfitness magazines. But a quick google search on stanfords uni course page says this "The goal of the Orthopaedic Research Program is to develop fundamental knowledge to advance the treatment of musculoskeletal injuries and diseases." Considering the fact as part of their extensive training they need to learn about diseases, its not far fetched that hes researched exactly what hes talking about as diseases can be caused/repaired by specific caloric/nutritional profiles.

I stand by what I said, i'm not saying he is correct, but hes got enough behind him to say theres a possibility he isnt just pulling it from his ass.  Keep in mind this is relative to you or I.

science is about making repeatable observations, so when someone reproduces his findings or produces results consistent with his theories then someone will pimp his shit. the "well this guy is an expert" game isn't great, especially if it contrasts consensus.

[Cerveza mas fina]

keep at it Lager, supporting ethical meat production does more to change the industry than just abdicating altogether. i don't see the market really changing in the west that much though, ethical options are there for the privileged. i've never actually seen any stats on how the markets trending re: sustainable/free range (ethical) meat production vs battery farming. i don't care about organic at all, there are still a bunch of organic compounds used in organic sprays that allow you to get the "organic" label that fuck with water tables and pollute the environment. it's a marketing farce, lots of food production methods deemed inorganic can be (and are) less environmentally damaging than many organic methods. it's a poor, and overused, yardstick for sustainable and good quality production.

I just read that Denmark is the most green consumer country, as in 10% of the goods sold in supermarkets are organic. So its breaking into the mainstream slowly but surely.

What I can tell you is that organic prices are in line with normal ones on many products (in a mature market like DK), but the things is everyone can afford them IF they want to. Question is if people choose to stuff their bodies with shit to be able to afford some other unneccesery luxury products. Because for the most people in the west that arent poor that is what it comes down too. “I cant afford organic meat” means “I want to buy more clothes”. I know households here that are in the top 5-10% that claim this with a straigth face. Another one is “I cant afford organic meat” but what they mean is “I want a kilo of meat every day”. Eating organic is actually a great way of cutting down how much you eat and buy at the same time.

As you say organic is not the end all of everything, but it is something to go by.

I have someone at work claiming though that there wouldnt be enough food for everyone if all food was organic, which maybe would be true if everyone wants 200 grams of beef every day. But thats not healthy or realistic.

Ive also started looking more at the clothes I buy, going forward everything new Ill be trying to get organic and fair trade

[hungrynoob]

I'm not really sure how to respond to this. I think it's pretty naive to think recognized drs in the medical profession only have knowledge or interest in just one field, if they are interested in medicine theres always a good chance in their spare time they learn about other aspects which might benefit what they specialise in. And orthopedic surgeons are specialists in the body and since hes a fitness advocate and weight lifting world record holder, nutrition isnt something he just got off mensfitness magazines. But a quick google search on stanfords uni course page says this "The goal of the Orthopaedic Research Program is to develop fundamental knowledge to advance the treatment of musculoskeletal injuries and diseases." Considering the fact as part of their extensive training they need to learn about diseases, its not far fetched that hes researched exactly what hes talking about as diseases can be caused/repaired by specific caloric/nutritional profiles.

I stand by what I said, i'm not saying he is correct, but hes got enough behind him to say theres a possibility he isnt just pulling it from his ass.  Keep in mind this is relative to you or I.

science is about making repeatable observations, so when someone reproduces his findings or produces results consistent with his theories then someone will pimp his shit. the "well this guy is an expert" game isn't great, especially if it contrasts consensus.

Theres a lack of research, but he isnt the sole example in the last 70 years, maybe you should listen to the podcast and read what i say.

[Huff]

lol surgeons talking about medicine besides cutting

[chronovore]

I only eat chicken and turkey. I eat it daily.

Red meat doesn't agree with me anymore. Pork or fish, maybe once a month.

Birds are just devolved dinosaurs, so that makes you a dinosaur hunter. That’s kind of badass.

[team filler]

"She was a great eater of meet... sometimes cooked"--Asimov

[toku]

vegan 2018

[Himu]

is absolutely haram

[Tasty]

Eating Meat

Eating Tasty's Meat

[Himu]

[TVC15]

Eating Tasty's Meat

Fersure, everone loves imitation crab.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

I've got a friend who's straying from veganism after 25 years. I dont think she was ever much of a meat eater to begin with (her family's Indian). Watching her eat chicken was the biggest laugh I had all this month. Her questions were great too.

"Wow, this stuff sticks in your teeth."

"What's better, the white or the dark meat?"

"Should I eat the marrow too?"

"What is salmon like?"

I mean, she was digging it, but watching her approach chicken wings as if they were some exotic and newly discovered delicacy was kind of amazing. Novice meat eaters really dont know how to handle bones btw.

[Raist]

vegan 2018

Condolences 

[bdoughty]

If we do not slaughter and eat cows, how is that better for the environment? They will grow old, therefore increasing the methane produced.

Doing my part tonight, going to have to bump it up with all you vegans destroying the environment.

[chronovore]

If we do not slaughter and eat cows, how is that better for the environment? They will grow old, therefore increasing the methane produced.

Doing my part tonight, going to have to bump it up with all you vegans destroying the environment.

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You're not serious, right?

[bdoughty]

You're not serious, right?

Could be I was just trying to come up with a reason for posting a delicious burger?

Replying just to post more delicious meat?

[Kara]

I don't mind the murder of animals, it's the destruction to the environment I'm worried about. Brazilians choppin' down the fucking Amazon to grow feed for cows and chickens and shit. Fuck that.

Even though palm oil is vegan vegans will regard it as impermissible for much the same reason.

[Cerveza mas fina]

So?

[VomKriege]

I don't mind the murder of animals, it's the destruction to the environment I'm worried about. Brazilians choppin' down the fucking Amazon to grow feed for cows and chickens and shit. Fuck that.

I don't mind the act of slaughtering/butchering (actual conditions certainly can be improved, along with living conditions) but it's difficult to argue it has grown too abstract, obliterated from view to the newly urban heavy western societies when less than a century ago most people would have some passing familiarity with the act itself, and it definitely helped putting any moral debate by the side. Animal life has been fully commodified to serve an industrial process. Along that, consumption has grown and despite being a rabid meat eater it's obvious we're eating too much of it and that there's a ton of waste because we're offered the choice of having only the best parts when our forefathers made an art of using down to every last part which all circles back to over intensive production and terrible living conditions. It's probably nothing in the grand scheme of things, but I like to buy giblets and some organs (besides, it is cheap and no less healthy). Also, IIRC, eat heavy diet does play in part in the affliction of obesity.

We're living in a society where people would probably riot if eggs, milk or steak was sold out from time to time in whatever medium sized store they go (no because of any larger shortage but because that store's stock was depleted). The amount of perfectly fine food being discarded because every outlet is in essence piling insane stocks is ridiculous.

[bdoughty]

(actual conditions certainly can be improved, along with living conditions) but it's difficult to argue it has grown too abstract, obliterated from view to the newly urban heavy western societies when less than a century ago most people would have some passing familiarity with the act itself, and it definitely helped putting any moral debate by the side.

You make a good point with the Urban Dwellers and the moving away from rural area and a lack of any insight into what happens on farms and ranches.. I have grown up on or around farms all my life. A common practice for farmers is to lease their land to ranchers to graze on them. Farmers get money for the lease and Ranchers save money on feed. Win/Win. Plus the cattle (what we lease to) and other animals get to enjoy the wide open spaces. In many areas, like here in Texas this is done on dry land (non-irrigated) which helps with cost reduction, also making it more environmentally friendly as you are not running generators and irrigation rigs. This mentality that animals spend all their lives cooped up in a slaughterhouse is typical myopic babbling from people bitching about shit they know nothing of on the internet.

A great article on grazing, which I doubt any of you city slickers will actually read and continue to complain. 

http://reducing-suffering.org/how-cattle-grazing-affects-pasture-productivity/

Almost forgot

[Cerveza mas fina]

Im actually considering trying to do a meatless january.

Yesterday I had two 200gr beef burgers though 

[Rich!]

I eat meat just as much as I've ever done. But with a difference!

I now buy almost exclusively from my local butcher. Reasons:

- Better quality
- Affordable. Once I take into account the fact I have to drive to Tesco and back, it's equivalent.
- Knowledge of the exact farm and grade the meat is from. Local.
- I get to order the exact cuts I want, and I know it's fresh as fuck

being vegetarian or vegan aint an option, I fucking love my meat

bear in mind though, I live in the english countryside....so I have a bit more choice than others may do



on a similar topic, I went to the butchers the other day and asked for a pork/beef burger, made out of prime pork and steak with black pepper seasoning. Went for a coffee, came back, got my burgers for £5. they were fucking INCREDIBLE.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I hope you mean organic by better quality

[Rich!]

I hope you mean organic by better quality

Yeah.

The farm I usuallly buy my pork from, for example, is just a few miles away from me. I can literally drive there, park at the woods nearby, take my dog for a walk and go and visit the pigs I'm gonna eat

edit: and at another farm near me, I actually chose a cow, watched it get slaughtered, cut up, turned into mince and then served as a burger. And it was the absolute most glorious burger I've ever had.