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[marrec]

why is it dehumanizing?

Animals can be male or female but only humans are men or women. Referring to people in weird, detached, clinical sounding terms is creepy and socially inept. And a bunch of incels talk about women that way because they don't like to think of them as humans.

This only applies when using it as a noun though, like "I spoke to a female today" instead of an adjective like "I have multiple female coworkers".

Even then, a more conversational English sentence would be "I work with many women" instead of "I have multiple female coworkers".

Anytime "female" is used in a more casual setting it's a little odd, but not always grammatically incorrect.

[agrajag]

^ nothing about that makes it dehumanizing.

Marrec, calling things gross makes you sound like you have a very child-like, limited vocabulary. The fact that social study incels on Reeee use it exclusively to describe people that trigger them is the reason it makes you sound dumb.

[marrec]

^ nothing about that makes it dehumanizing.

Marrec, calling things gross makes you sound like you have a very child-like, limited vocabulary. The fact that social study incels on Reeee use it exclusively to describe people that trigger them is the reason it makes you sound dumb.

Clearly I was using "gross" in a slightly ironic and tongue-in-cheek way because I was describing nerds, not because I couldn't think of a more appropriate term to describe gross nerds.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

marrec only used grossed cause he's co opting my gross comment.


I don't feel comfortable with nazis like marrec using words I use though.


Kinda gross to be honest.

[agrajag]

Here's the deal, it's an awkward, stilted word, but dehumanizing is stretching it. It's just another thing for people to lose their minds over.

And fwiw, people irl that aren't online nerds use it all the time. Read some comments threads on instagram sometimes, it's fascinating.

marrec only used grossed cause he's co opting my gross comment.


I don't feel comfortable with nazis like marrec using words I use though.


Kinda gross to be honest.

But is it problematic?

[Cauliflower Of Love]

so problematic

[Assimilate]

reset exists as a left wing stormfront equivalent, in that it's a living breathing database with which those of the opposite political persuasion can validate their strawman arguments.

This is so far from the truth. You can get muuuuuuch more left wing than ERA.

 

prove it.

[sphagnum]

reset exists as a left wing stormfront equivalent, in that it's a living breathing database with which those of the opposite political persuasion can validate their strawman arguments.

This is so far from the truth. You can get muuuuuuch more left wing than ERA.

 

prove it.

Era isn't even a communist site.

[marrec]

Here's the deal, it's an awkward, stilted word, but dehumanizing is stretching it. It's just another thing for people to lose their minds over.

And fwiw, people irl that aren't online nerds use it all the time. Read some comments threads on instagram sometimes, it's fascinating.

Dehumanizing in the "the topic of conversation has lost whatever human quality they may have because I'm using a clinical term to describe their gender and their gender only rather than a different term that describes their gender within humanity".

It's not necessarily a bad thing to be dehumanized.

[marrec]

reset exists as a left wing stormfront equivalent, in that it's a living breathing database with which those of the opposite political persuasion can validate their strawman arguments.

This is so far from the truth. You can get muuuuuuch more left wing than ERA.

 

prove it.

Era isn't even a communist site.

Lord almighty we have a thread dedicated to Amazon Prime Day could you even imagine that happening on an actual left wing site?

[FStop7]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10468899/ 

[sphagnum]

And fwiw, people irl that aren't online nerds use it all the time. Read some comments threads on instagram sometimes, it's fascinating.

I don't think people who slobber over girls in the comments on instagram are really the best people to look to here.

Full disclosure: have Jessicababyfat up in another tab

[marrec]

And fwiw, people irl that aren't online nerds use it all the time. Read some comments threads on instagram sometimes, it's fascinating.

I don't think people who slobber over girls in the comments on instagram are really the best people to look to here.

Full disclosure: have Jessicababyfat up in another tab

yo I googled assuming it was just going to be another white girl insta model and hot damn have I ever been more glad to be proved wrong

[sphagnum]

The PoliEra crew is convinced that neoliberal is a slur and the socialism OT struggles to get 3 posts a day, but sure, Era is the most leftwing site imaginable.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/posts/10468899/ 

This thread appears unproductive and insincere and we are closing it to further replies.

"Just following orders"

[agrajag]

And fwiw, people irl that aren't online nerds use it all the time. Read some comments threads on instagram sometimes, it's fascinating.

I don't think people who slobber over girls in the comments on instagram are really the best people to look to here.

Full disclosure: have Jessicababyfat up in another tab

I'm talking any kind of posts, not just thots. I didn't say they're good people to look up to or anything. I'm saying that's how a ton of people speak irl.

[marrec]

And fwiw, people irl that aren't online nerds use it all the time. Read some comments threads on instagram sometimes, it's fascinating.

I don't think people who slobber over girls in the comments on instagram are really the best people to look to here.

Full disclosure: have Jessicababyfat up in another tab

I'm talking any kind of posts, not just thots. I didn't say they're good people to look up to or anything. I'm saying that's how a ton of people speak irl.

irl = instagram real life?

[Assimilate]

reset exists as a left wing stormfront equivalent, in that it's a living breathing database with which those of the opposite political persuasion can validate their strawman arguments.

This is so far from the truth. You can get muuuuuuch more left wing than ERA.

 

prove it.

Era isn't even a communist site.

Lord almighty we have a thread dedicated to Amazon Prime Day could you even imagine that happening on an actual left wing site?

economically left wing isn't what i was talking about. most people on the left are hypocrites when it comes to money when they have it anyways

[agrajag]

And fwiw, people irl that aren't online nerds use it all the time. Read some comments threads on instagram sometimes, it's fascinating.

I don't think people who slobber over girls in the comments on instagram are really the best people to look to here.

Full disclosure: have Jessicababyfat up in another tab

I'm talking any kind of posts, not just thots. I didn't say they're good people to look up to or anything. I'm saying that's how a ton of people speak irl.

irl = instagram real life?

Instagram was just the easiest way to demonstrate it to you. I can't reach through the compute screen, grab you by your ears and pull you into the real world, marrec.

[marrec]

And fwiw, people irl that aren't online nerds use it all the time. Read some comments threads on instagram sometimes, it's fascinating.

I don't think people who slobber over girls in the comments on instagram are really the best people to look to here.

Full disclosure: have Jessicababyfat up in another tab

I'm talking any kind of posts, not just thots. I didn't say they're good people to look up to or anything. I'm saying that's how a ton of people speak irl.

irl = instagram real life?

Instagram was just the easiest way to demonstrate it to you. I can't reach through the compute screen, grab you by your ears and pull you into the real world, marrec.

Don't worry, I've heard plenty of gross nerds who are native english speakers call women "females" in real life.

It doesn't make it any more grammatically correct or any less creepy.

Or, I guess most importantly for this conversation, any less intentionally dehumanizing.

[sphagnum]

And fwiw, people irl that aren't online nerds use it all the time. Read some comments threads on instagram sometimes, it's fascinating.

I don't think people who slobber over girls in the comments on instagram are really the best people to look to here.

Full disclosure: have Jessicababyfat up in another tab

I'm talking any kind of posts, not just thots. I didn't say they're good people to look up to or anything. I'm saying that's how a ton of people speak irl.

I don't know, Instagram is just another internet site. It may have a lot of normies but it also has a bunch of thirsty online dudes. I don't think in actual real life I've ever heard anyone refer to women as "females" like that outside of a joke specifically aimed at people who would use it like that.

[agrajag]

We've already established that it's not grammatically incorrect.

The point I was trying to make is that most people who use that word in that way of the lion pride variety. Hood niccas. I wouldn't calm them nerds though.

[marrec]

And fwiw, people irl that aren't online nerds use it all the time. Read some comments threads on instagram sometimes, it's fascinating.

I don't think people who slobber over girls in the comments on instagram are really the best people to look to here.

Full disclosure: have Jessicababyfat up in another tab

I'm talking any kind of posts, not just thots. I didn't say they're good people to look up to or anything. I'm saying that's how a ton of people speak irl.

I don't know, Instagram is just another internet site. It may have a lot of normies but it also has a bunch of thirsty online dudes. I don't think in actual real life I've ever heard anyone refer to women as "females" like that outside of a joke specifically aimed at people who would use it like that.

It was pretty popular in bro culture while I was in college. Referring specifically to a woman who had wronged a man in some way or who some man was trying to sleep with.

[agrajag]

Sphagum, hang out with some guys from the street and you'd be surprised.

[benjipwns]

Can’t believe people are still going to bat for Elon Musk like it’s remotely okay to just call someone a pedophile with no evidence.

This isn't the world The Walrus would have wanted.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

is marrec actually putting his name on "it's gross to call females 'female' " ?

[agrajag]

that's really the hill marrec wants to die on

[sphagnum]

Sphagum, hang out with some guys from the street and you'd be surprised.

Too busy looking at Instagram females

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I was almost always jokingly calling him an idiot, but wow.

[marrec]

Gosh well you got me there here's where I stake my flag "stop calling women "females" in an attempt to dehumanize them" do what you will with me from here on out

[Boredfrom]

why is it dehumanizing?

Animals can be male or female but only humans are men or women. Referring to people in weird, detached, clinical sounding terms is creepy and socially inept. And a bunch of incels talk about women that way because they don't like to think of them as humans.

This only applies when using it as a noun though, like "I spoke to a female today" instead of an adjective like "I have multiple female coworkers".

This makes sense... but I dont exactly see it as a big issue if is already stablished that jerkass are the people using it as dehumanizing way in every day conversations, is not a slur to make a thread to complain about.

[agrajag]

How would a similarly titled thread but about the word "bitches" go over at Reee 

[marrec]

I was almost always jokingly calling him an idiot, but wow.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you really one of those people who sees no problem is using "female" during casual conversation when "woman" would be clearly more correct?

[Boredfrom]

I was almost always jokingly calling him an idiot, but wow.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you really one of those people who sees no problem is using "female" during casual conversation when "woman" would be clearly more correct?

I think give the word the equivalence of a racial slur or the act of intentional misgendering is probably a little to much.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I was almost always jokingly calling him an idiot, but wow.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you really one of those people who sees no problem is using "female" during casual conversation when "woman" would be clearly more correct?

I'm trying to see why that would even be a problem.

[marrec]

I was almost always jokingly calling him an idiot, but wow.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you really one of those people who sees no problem is using "female" during casual conversation when "woman" would be clearly more correct?

I think give the word the equivalence of a racial slur or the act of intentional misgendering is probably a little to much.

I mean, whatever I'm not here to argue equivalence, but come the fuck on.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I don't address people by their genders though.

So this is all new to me.

[marrec]

I was almost always jokingly calling him an idiot, but wow.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you really one of those people who sees no problem is using "female" during casual conversation when "woman" would be clearly more correct?

I'm trying to see why that would even be a problem.

Mostly because it's clearly grammatically incorrect to a native english speaker. Despite this fact, some men use it as a way to remove human agency from women when talking about them because it's just another way to reduce their status compared to men.

[benjipwns]

reset exists as a left wing stormfront equivalent, in that it's a living breathing database with which those of the opposite political persuasion can validate their strawman arguments.

This is so far from the truth. You can get muuuuuuch more left wing than ERA.

 

prove it.

economically left wing isn't what i was talking about. most people on the left are hypocrites when it comes to money when they have it anyways

ERA is more stupid and brand loyal than they are ideological.

And generally, ERA isn't even within six months of the latest flaming hot social studies trends, they're far closer than GAF was but they also shredded the userbase to get there, I could easily still get up in there with some dankgressive shit they won't get around to banning people for until late 2019.

Actually, I think Feminist Postcolonial Milk Studies would still be mocked and locked rather than anyone take it seriously, for example.

[Atramental]

We should call men "beaks" and women "beans". 

[agrajag]

It's not grammatically incorrect, stop saying that. Grammatically it is both an adjective and a noun. And it is accurate. Your problem with it is that you think it's gross, and you are being disingenuous saying it's grammatically incorrect.

[agrajag]

We should call men "beaks" and women "beans". 

What's the difference between a lentil and a chickpea?


I never had a lentil on my face

[Cauliflower Of Love]

We should call men "beaks" and women "beans". 

racist


(this reminds me of a porn video i saw that labeled beans and rice)

I was almost always jokingly calling him an idiot, but wow.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you really one of those people who sees no problem is using "female" during casual conversation when "woman" would be clearly more correct?

I'm trying to see why that would even be a problem.

Mostly because it's clearly grammatically incorrect to a native english speaker. Despite this fact, some men use it as a way to remove human agency from women when talking about them because it's just another way to reduce their status compared to men.

How far up your ass are you?

I understand how powerful words can be when using them, like if I say you're such a fucking giant dad that I know that shit hits close to home.

But if I say i love watching giant dad videos, the word can just fly by.

So to say "dont fucking do that with the word" is akin to you trying to get made into a giant dad.

[Boredfrom]

I was almost always jokingly calling him an idiot, but wow.

What the fuck are you even talking about? Are you really one of those people who sees no problem is using "female" during casual conversation when "woman" would be clearly more correct?

I think give the word the equivalence of a racial slur or the act of intentional misgendering is probably a little to much.

I mean, whatever I'm not here to argue equivalence, but come the fuck on.

Why do a thread demanding people to  stop using a word in a specific context that is mostly done by jackasses (whatever they are bros, nerds or incels or whatever). I get why is deshumanizing, but is not exactly a problem that needs the snarky attitude when is a pretty specific context (asshole people).

[EightBitNate]

Marrec you’re slipping into your old ways again

[benjipwns]

Marrec you’re slipping into your old ways again

oh no, hide the transfemales!

[BisMarckie]

Marrec you’re slipping into your old ways again

Did he threaten to kill transgender people again? 


edit: goddamnit benji

[marrec]

It's not grammatically incorrect, stop saying that. Grammatically it is both an adjective and a noun. And it is accurate. Your problem with it is that you think it's gross, and you are being disingenuous saying it's grammatically incorrect.

What? It is grammatically incorrect to use it in specific contexts. This is not even arguable. Just because a word is both an adjective and a noun does not mean you use it interchangeably between syntax. That's not how language works.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

i forgot about the filter and my own post is making me laugh.


 

[Great Rumbler]

 

[agrajag]

It's not grammatically incorrect, stop saying that. Grammatically it is both an adjective and a noun. And it is accurate. Your problem with it is that you think it's gross, and you are being disingenuous saying it's grammatically incorrect.

What? It is grammatically incorrect to use it in specific contexts. This is not even arguable. Just because a word is both an adjective and a noun does not mean you use it interchangeably between syntax. That's not how language works.

I don't think you understand what grammar is, son.

I can say "hippos are reptiles." It's wrong, but it's not gramatically incorrect.

[BisMarckie]

What? It is grammatically incorrect to use it in specific contexts. This is not even arguable. Just because a word is both an adjective and a noun does not mean you use it interchangeably between syntax. That's not how language works.

Actually, you can substitute every word with the same class of word and it would still be correct syntactically.
There can only be problems on the semantic or pragmatic level

[agrajag]

Also, in my experience, the people who refer to women "females" are non-White.

It's not even PUA types, there's people I'm close to who will always drop the "Female" bomb  whenever they want to talk about their wymyn issues.

It's like a course-correct whenever people realize that they're sounding too sensitive. And again, these people are good people who aren't exactly concerned about their masculinity.

Maybe it's a local thing?

Either way, it sounds really weird, so I've never used it.

No, it's not a local thing. A bunch of second and third generation Cuban, Dominican and Puerto Ricans I know, as well as American blacks I know say that. Including the females. 

[marrec]

It's not grammatically incorrect, stop saying that. Grammatically it is both an adjective and a noun. And it is accurate. Your problem with it is that you think it's gross, and you are being disingenuous saying it's grammatically incorrect.

What? It is grammatically incorrect to use it in specific contexts. This is not even arguable. Just because a word is both an adjective and a noun does not mean you use it interchangeably between syntax. That's not how language works.

I don't think you understand what grammar is, son.

I can say "hippos are reptiles." It's wrong, but it's not gramatically incorrect.

No, you clearly do not understand what grammar is.

To be real; far be it from me to be a prescriptivist and clearly say one thing or another is 100% grammatically incorrect, however if you were to ask any native english speaker-

What sentence sounds more grammatically correct:

"The female over there is about to buy a donut"

"The woman over there is about to buy a donut"

The majority of people would label the second sentence as more grammatically correct than the first.

[Assimilate]

Also, in my experience, the people who refer to women "females" are non-White.

So true. The brothas love saying "females"

throw that conundrum at REE and see the thread go for a whirlwind real quick.

[agrajag]

God damn, you are dumb marrec. Grammar doesn't care about your feelings.

[marrec]

God damn, you are dumb marrec. Grammar doesn't care about your feelings.

Grammar literally is about a native speakers feelings omfg

[Cauliflower Of Love]

It's not grammatically incorrect, stop saying that. Grammatically it is both an adjective and a noun. And it is accurate. Your problem with it is that you think it's gross, and you are being disingenuous saying it's grammatically incorrect.

What? It is grammatically incorrect to use it in specific contexts. This is not even arguable. Just because a word is both an adjective and a noun does not mean you use it interchangeably between syntax. That's not how language works.

I don't think you understand what grammar is, son.

I can say "hippos are reptiles." It's wrong, but it's not gramatically incorrect.

No, you clearly do not understand what grammar is.

To be real; far be it from me to be a prescriptivist and clearly say one thing or another is 100% grammatically incorrect, however if you were to ask any native english speaker-

What sentence sounds more grammatically correct:

"The female over there is about to buy a donut"

"The woman over there is about to buy a donut"

The majority of people would label the second sentence as more grammatically correct than the first.

The real question is why are you watching someone buy a donut.


and she probably bought an eclaire.

[Bore Expert]

 

[Drainage]

It's not grammatically incorrect, stop saying that. Grammatically it is both an adjective and a noun. And it is accurate. Your problem with it is that you think it's gross, and you are being disingenuous saying it's grammatically incorrect.

What? It is grammatically incorrect to use it in specific contexts. This is not even arguable. Just because a word is both an adjective and a noun does not mean you use it interchangeably between syntax. That's not how language works.

I don't think you understand what grammar is, son.

I can say "hippos are reptiles." It's wrong, but it's not gramatically incorrect.

No, you clearly do not understand what grammar is.

To be real; far be it from me to be a prescriptivist and clearly say one thing or another is 100% grammatically incorrect, however if you were to ask any native english speaker-

What sentence sounds more grammatically correct:

"The female over there is about to buy a donut"

"The woman over there is about to buy a donut"

The majority of people would label the second sentence as more grammatically correct than the first.