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agrajag

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11400 on: June 02, 2018, 08:08:49 PM »
8bitnate annihilated

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11401 on: June 02, 2018, 08:22:29 PM »
you aint seen the thread about about a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow that got rejected at chillis.


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Switters

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« Reply #11402 on: June 02, 2018, 08:31:57 PM »
Stro, I tried to find a Hapsburg to call my own but you took the best one. Kills me every time.
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EightBitNate

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11403 on: June 02, 2018, 08:32:41 PM »
Damn Stro I thought you were cool.

Switters

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« Reply #11404 on: June 02, 2018, 08:35:20 PM »
Did you think that thread wouldn't make you infamous? Don't get me wrong, I'm an attention whore and would love to be @'d at every turn... just not for that.
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Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11406 on: June 02, 2018, 08:46:58 PM »
just got someone else arrested.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11407 on: June 02, 2018, 09:06:53 PM »
this shit is going down.

EightBitNate

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11408 on: June 02, 2018, 09:33:45 PM »





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« Reply #11409 on: June 02, 2018, 09:35:39 PM »
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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11411 on: June 02, 2018, 09:57:47 PM »
”1. Do not conflate civilians with their leadership: This means you should not conflate all Palestinians with Hamas or attempt to paint all Palestinians as terrorists. You should also not hold all Israelis responsible for the actions of their government.

2. Do not condone violence or killing: This goes for both Hamas and the IDF, especially with regard to civilians.

3. Do not invoke Nazi comparisons in this context: There are historical reasons for why this type of analogy is highly charged, and it tends to derail these discussions. There are many other analogies available to you, but not this one.”


Aka: common sense

So... are they going to enforce this stuff in other threads?

nachobro

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« Reply #11412 on: June 02, 2018, 10:11:16 PM »
smh white mods restricting what metaphors jewish members are allowed to use. typical.

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11414 on: June 02, 2018, 11:18:13 PM »
I took away the like for not having the video, with that bullshit pic that looks like a video  :pacspit
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agrajag

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« Reply #11415 on: June 02, 2018, 11:35:14 PM »
we don't stand for such shameful trickery here at the Bore, maybe your shenanigans will fly at NeoGAF.com, Nate.


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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11416 on: June 02, 2018, 11:36:48 PM »
I took away the like for not having the video, with that bullshit pic that looks like a video  :pacspit

Just for you, stupid biaaaatch:

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh90wgyJw6I43EjyK6

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11417 on: June 02, 2018, 11:41:21 PM »
it ended on a cliffhanger  :shaq2
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« Reply #11418 on: June 03, 2018, 12:16:25 AM »
That's the most pathetic thread I've seen on RE and GAF. Dudes who can't get laid or are too grossed out by sex so they try to chemically castrate themselves as a "cure". Wtf.


You know, after witnessing the scary loons at braincels and these sad freaks in REEE I'm starting to think PUA isn't as bad as I thought. That shit isn't as terrible as the media portray them but they're still fucking assholes that subconsciously turn men into annoying douchebag chads if they're successful, then again between a brainless douche and a domestic terrorist in the making or this, I'll take the douchebag any day.
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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11420 on: June 03, 2018, 12:20:56 AM »
We have to allow for the possibility that the 7/11 event was an inside job.
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« Reply #11421 on: June 03, 2018, 12:59:36 AM »
Investigate...

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11422 on: June 03, 2018, 01:04:55 AM »
Did you know that no jews died on 9/11/1998?  Not a single Jew death was reported.
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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11423 on: June 03, 2018, 01:31:06 AM »
it ended on a cliffhanger  :shaq2

What if the movie Cliffhanger had ended on a cliffhanger? Missed opportunity for sure.
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benjipwns

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11424 on: June 03, 2018, 01:52:46 AM »
We have to allow for the possibility that the 7/11 event was an inside job.
and why now? almost right before Nintendo's huge E3...

Kara

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11425 on: June 03, 2018, 02:31:39 AM »
We have to allow for the possibility that the 7/11 event was an inside job.

Jet fuel can't melt wild cherry slurpees.

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11426 on: June 03, 2018, 02:39:26 AM »

438sav
 6 months ago You're walking down the street drinking lima beans and chicken feet while eating a burnt sprite. You see a THICC ass nicca walking what you doing???
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« Reply #11427 on: June 03, 2018, 02:44:04 AM »
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Kara

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11428 on: June 03, 2018, 02:46:30 AM »
*extremely Bernard Sanders voice* The millionaires and the billionaires are not the only ones who should benefit from Pornhub Premium.

benjipwns

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11429 on: June 03, 2018, 03:30:21 AM »
psch racist grandpa is late to the party yet again

dark enlightenment policy maven Lady Gaga put out a white paper to combat the incel (aka "weaponized misogyny" as ResetERA ban messages put it) crisis almost a decade ago:

benjipwns

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11430 on: June 03, 2018, 03:33:01 AM »
that reminds me to hit up the best of site for a few choice cuts

User Banned (2 Days): Repeated bad faith commentary

Also Shulk and Little Mac share a lot of traits in build.

User banned (duration pending review): repeatedly defending sexism and misogyny

Men AND women have the responsibility to prevent it.

What is your solution to stop rapists? Rapists are mentally deranged men (and sometimes women). They're looking for any excuse to rape.

there's gotta be better

benjipwns

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11431 on: June 03, 2018, 03:33:39 AM »
User Banned (Duration Pending): Defending the sexualisation of minors.

By default heterosexual women and men are attracted to very different things, and they'll find each others sexual interests yawn-worthy or even off-putting. Anime and JRPGs combine a lot of common attractions for men and women, yet majority of it is catering to the male gaze women find off-putting, so it gets the most amount of flak since that's where they are exposed to it the most and it can be difficult to filter it. Since the medium is a sort of contact point between opposing interests, there's a lot of people defending their own side, be it with good arguments or not.

I see the sexualization in games and anime as a reflection of the sexual repression in these societies as a whole. Both US and Japan are highly sexually repressed going from childhood into adulthood and the subject matter is handled as taboo, but since it is one of the most integral parts of us as humans, it's not something that can be just tucked away neatly. The more repressed public society is, the more they make fetish stuff and use every trick in the book to subvert the unnatural repression over things we are consciously or subconsciously attracted to.

Of course there's reasons for why society has these taboos, immature sexuality being perhaps the biggest problem zone due to it being so vulnerable to abuse and trauma, yet it's something pretty much all of us share in one way or another, and perhaps due to the lack of handling it we never quite grow through it and find unhealthy ways of dealing with repressed feelings that aren't openly handled. I see a lot of the criticism in the west towards Japanese infantilization and sexual depictions of women more as a sign of how we cannot handle anything remotely tied to children being conflated to sexual desire, whereas in Japanese culture people aren't as fearful of seeing cute things or petite proportions as sexually attractive, and aren't conflating it to being a pedo. The problem is that it does blur the line and does allow some very questionable material that skirts any regulation.

I think there's a point to be made about how the fetishistic nature of Japanese portrayal of sexuality actually stems from US influence after WW2 and the importing of those morals, which created this weird amalgamation of culture where there's super weird fetish porn, but it's censored, and there's otherwise normal fantasy games, but the female characters are running in battle bikinis and it's rarely acknowledged. Perhaps it's a way of "filling up a quota" of what otherwise cannot be fulfilled by society at large, the same way the vast porn industry does in the US?

Sorry if that was a bit of and off-tangent ramble, but I'm more interested in the base human psychology and cultural cues behind what we see in this media and how people here react to it, than picking apart yet another skimpy dress and making generalizations of how the Japanese are so far behind us woke peeps here.

now we're getting somewhere

benjipwns

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11432 on: June 03, 2018, 03:37:01 AM »
of course, duh, Israel thread dummy

User banned (3 days): ignoring mod post and derailing thread

I understand the need to maintain some level of civility, but the mod edit screams of "both sides". Very disappointed. This is not a symmetrical affair, what Israel is doing is ethnic cleansing. Watering down our language only serves to obscuate that. This type of stance was how SA were able to perpetuate their apartheid system for so long. History repeating itself I'm afraid.

User Banned (Duration Pending): Spreading Conspiracy Theories about Moderation

As to the moderation bullshit on these threads, it's exactly that, bullshit. They won't tell you why or give any sort of rationale as to why... because there isnt.

My guess is some hard right person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation piece of garbage happens to be a mod and the other mods aren't willing to say anything.

lots of questions starting to finally get answered, like where Cerium's funding suddenly came from...

Kara

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11433 on: June 03, 2018, 03:39:54 AM »
(((moderation)))

benjipwns

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« Reply #11434 on: June 03, 2018, 03:42:56 AM »
(((Duration Pending)))

Kara

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11435 on: June 03, 2018, 03:49:45 AM »
40 years

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11436 on: June 03, 2018, 03:57:57 AM »
They're looking for any excuse to rape.

My grandpa died!

Woman getting raped: "Don't worry, these tears are for your grandpa."

benjipwns

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« Reply #11437 on: June 03, 2018, 04:22:34 AM »
He offered the thread... order!

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11438 on: June 03, 2018, 05:51:53 AM »
uh oh

Nintex

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11439 on: June 03, 2018, 09:27:37 AM »
User Banned (Duration Pending): Defending the sexualisation of minors.

By default heterosexual women and men are attracted to very different things, and they'll find each others sexual interests yawn-worthy or even off-putting. Anime and JRPGs combine a lot of common attractions for men and women, yet majority of it is catering to the male gaze women find off-putting, so it gets the most amount of flak since that's where they are exposed to it the most and it can be difficult to filter it. Since the medium is a sort of contact point between opposing interests, there's a lot of people defending their own side, be it with good arguments or not.

I see the sexualization in games and anime as a reflection of the sexual repression in these societies as a whole. Both US and Japan are highly sexually repressed going from childhood into adulthood and the subject matter is handled as taboo, but since it is one of the most integral parts of us as humans, it's not something that can be just tucked away neatly. The more repressed public society is, the more they make fetish stuff and use every trick in the book to subvert the unnatural repression over things we are consciously or subconsciously attracted to.

Of course there's reasons for why society has these taboos, immature sexuality being perhaps the biggest problem zone due to it being so vulnerable to abuse and trauma, yet it's something pretty much all of us share in one way or another, and perhaps due to the lack of handling it we never quite grow through it and find unhealthy ways of dealing with repressed feelings that aren't openly handled. I see a lot of the criticism in the west towards Japanese infantilization and sexual depictions of women more as a sign of how we cannot handle anything remotely tied to children being conflated to sexual desire, whereas in Japanese culture people aren't as fearful of seeing cute things or petite proportions as sexually attractive, and aren't conflating it to being a pedo. The problem is that it does blur the line and does allow some very questionable material that skirts any regulation.

I think there's a point to be made about how the fetishistic nature of Japanese portrayal of sexuality actually stems from US influence after WW2 and the importing of those morals, which created this weird amalgamation of culture where there's super weird fetish porn, but it's censored, and there's otherwise normal fantasy games, but the female characters are running in battle bikinis and it's rarely acknowledged. Perhaps it's a way of "filling up a quota" of what otherwise cannot be fulfilled by society at large, the same way the vast porn industry does in the US?

Sorry if that was a bit of and off-tangent ramble, but I'm more interested in the base human psychology and cultural cues behind what we see in this media and how people here react to it, than picking apart yet another skimpy dress and making generalizations of how the Japanese are so far behind us woke peeps here.

now we're getting somewhere
300... 320 pages.

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11440 on: June 03, 2018, 10:32:42 AM »
Alexa, remind me to never read a Nintendo thread on TedDansonEra ever again.
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seagrams hotsauce

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11441 on: June 03, 2018, 10:53:34 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/posts/8655857/


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Did it for a while, her husband was in the states while he waited for his paper work to be able to live in Canada.

Hit it raw and she wasn't on the pill, after a few months she called it off. I had some really dark times in my life and sex was probably my most debilitating vice. Was so unhappy with myself, it showed with me being unable or willing to maintain a normal relationship. Would never do it again, but the thrill... Man don't think I ever came so hard thinking I would get her pregnant.

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11442 on: June 03, 2018, 11:31:00 AM »
”1. Do not conflate civilians with their leadership: This means you should not conflate all Palestinians with Hamas or attempt to paint all Palestinians as terrorists. You should also not hold all Israelis responsible for the actions of their government.

2. Do not condone violence or killing: This goes for both Hamas and the IDF, especially with regard to civilians.

3. Do not invoke Nazi comparisons in this context: There are historical reasons for why this type of analogy is highly charged, and it tends to derail these discussions. There are many other analogies available to you, but not this one.”


Aka: common sense

So... are they going to enforce this stuff in other threads?

Do not condone violence or killing: This goes for both Hamas and the IDF, especially with regard to civilians. It is however acceptable if a youtuber says something you dont like or somebody complains about a hollywood film, especially a disney one, they deserve it.

It's inappropriate to compare genocide and ethnic cleansing to Nazis, save it for where it's really applicable, developers making games about small areas of poland and people saying a feminist is wrong about anything ever

agrajag

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11443 on: June 03, 2018, 11:41:21 AM »
Shut up. Shut up. Shut up! There will be order in this thread!


paprikastaude

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11444 on: June 03, 2018, 12:02:58 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/kamiya-says-games-are-not-art-nsfw.46521/

I wonder why they are so offended by the guy.

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People put more thought into the character than he does.

People like to defend their liking the character in pandering threads saying she's owning her sexuality, dominate, has agency, and that makes her ok different from the rest. All I ever saw her as is Kamiya's sexual fetishes come to life right down to her getting naked while fighting.


oh, of course.  :doge

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11445 on: June 03, 2018, 12:28:21 PM »
Who fucking cares what art is in 2018

 :woody


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« Reply #11446 on: June 03, 2018, 12:30:40 PM »
if games are art, then they are art at its lowest and most pedestrian, so for the sake of games, let's just not call them art at all.
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Kara

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11447 on: June 03, 2018, 12:36:32 PM »
games . . . let's just not call them art at all.

Hard agree.

seagrams hotsauce

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« Reply #11448 on: June 03, 2018, 01:00:25 PM »
it's a pointless debate. outside of directly speaking about "is games art???" the conversation is split between people who deride anyone who writes anything particularly reflective as pretentious dickheads and people who write 5000 words reading into the ethics of octoroks or whatever.

who really gives a fuck though? as long as I get DOOM II soon not me

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« Reply #11449 on: June 03, 2018, 01:03:55 PM »
https://twitter.com/NinodeVries/status/1003308492214734848

Got into an argument with this dude who I know from a Dutch forum.. basically he says that the game is pretending to be 'woke' about Android feelings but then the game is sexist because it features this ad for I think an Android Nightclub? And it says Sorry Ladies, Androids dont like to talk after sex.

So I was like how is this sexist? He says because its a sexist stereotype that women are talkers

SO I say dude how is that sexist? Women do love to talk, that's not a negative thing?

He says well in this text it's portrayed in a negative manner so its sexist

Im like dude you are accusing the game of being woke but all the while u are here on twitter complaining about a ingame ad for a Android nightclub, let's just cut this virtual signalling shit out man cmon

then he starts to talk about how I got banned on Resetera for having a dumb opinion about Apu ( which personally I stand behind ) then he says my opinion is stupid blablabla. He goes and posts my resetera post with a fricking ban message next to it. Which I guess he screencapped or some shit? Dafuq

while ignoring my questions on how that exactly is sexism.

Oh well what an edgelord
What

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11450 on: June 03, 2018, 01:19:20 PM »
https://twitter.com/NinodeVries/status/1003308492214734848

Got into an argument with this dude who I know from a Dutch forum.. basically he says that the game is pretending to be 'woke' about Android feelings but then the game is sexist because it features this ad for I think an Android Nightclub? And it says Sorry Ladies, Androids dont like to talk after sex.

So I was like how is this sexist? He says because its a sexist stereotype that women are talkers

SO I say dude how is that sexist? Women do love to talk, that's not a negative thing?

He says well in this text it's portrayed in a negative manner so its sexist

Im like dude you are accusing the game of being woke but all the while u are here on twitter complaining about a ingame ad for a Android nightclub, let's just cut this virtual signalling shit out man cmon

then he starts to talk about how I got banned on Resetera for having a dumb opinion about Apu ( which personally I stand behind ) then he says my opinion is stupid blablabla. He goes and posts my resetera post with a fricking ban message next to it. Which I guess he screencapped or some shit? Dafuq

while ignoring my questions on how that exactly is sexism.

Oh well what an edgelord

"Why is this sex ad in a videogame not politcially correct? Could it be that this tells us something about this nightclub and the setting? No, the game must be sexist! Off to twitter!"

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11451 on: June 03, 2018, 01:22:46 PM »
ὕβρις

agrajag

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11452 on: June 03, 2018, 01:24:36 PM »
Video games are art in the same way Disney Marvel action movies are art.

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« Reply #11453 on: June 03, 2018, 01:27:42 PM »
This stupid argument better be a sneaky way of getting women and/or robots to fuck you

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« Reply #11454 on: June 03, 2018, 01:33:57 PM »
ὕβρις

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« Reply #11455 on: June 03, 2018, 02:16:34 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ctrl-alt-dels-loss-is-10-years-old-today.46336/

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I was genuinely heartbroken when I read this comic ten years ago.

It has always bothered me that people trivialized it afterwards.

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This probably isn't the topic to talk about it, but I really hate all the memes this comic spawned. Of course, garbage webcomic spawns garbage meme, but when you think about how it was a man expressing his sadness over a miscarriage, it makes it all the more perplexing.

*shrug*

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Does this really deserve 10 years of ridicule?

.....yes, yes it does

here's to 10 more years!

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CAD is a terrible comic created by a terrible man. It deserves the constant ridicule.

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I don't see what there's not to get about it. It's a simple structure

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I love the minimalist loss comics, I cannot ever unsee that pattern in correspondence with the actual comic.



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« Reply #11456 on: June 03, 2018, 02:56:14 PM »
then he starts to talk about how I got banned on Resetera for having a dumb opinion about Apu ( which personally I stand behind ) then he says my opinion is stupid blablabla. He goes and posts my resetera post with a fricking ban message next to it. Which I guess he screencapped or some shit? Dafuq

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bork

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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11457 on: June 03, 2018, 03:48:32 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/ctrl-alt-dels-loss-is-10-years-old-today.46336/

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I was genuinely heartbroken when I read this comic ten years ago.

It has always bothered me that people trivialized it afterwards.

Quote
This probably isn't the topic to talk about it, but I really hate all the memes this comic spawned. Of course, garbage webcomic spawns garbage meme, but when you think about how it was a man expressing his sadness over a miscarriage, it makes it all the more perplexing.

*shrug*

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Does this really deserve 10 years of ridicule?

.....yes, yes it does

here's to 10 more years!

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CAD is a terrible comic created by a terrible man. It deserves the constant ridicule.

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I don't see what there's not to get about it. It's a simple structure

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I love the minimalist loss comics, I cannot ever unsee that pattern in correspondence with the actual comic.

(Image removed from quote.)

Who remembers the anniversary date of a shitty fucking web comic?  Glad to see the thread is at least on the side that laughed at that garbage.

My contribution to that awful shit is still on my flickr account:
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Re: The Other Forums Thread for Other Forums
« Reply #11458 on: June 03, 2018, 03:53:44 PM »
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Because some people are fucking children that like to throw a tantrum when someone tries to do something serious for a change instead of more on-off gags in their webcomic. Rather than accept the fact that the artist was having a rough time and was expressing himself through his work, they chose instead to go full stupid and mock him for it with a meme that wasn't funny then, and still isn't funny now.
:foodcourt

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And hilariously, CAD is still one of the best webcomics out there even after this.

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« Reply #11459 on: June 03, 2018, 03:53:56 PM »
Kamiya says games are not art (NSFW)

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I love and respect the hell out of Kamiya's brand of entertainment, from the insanely stylish vibe his games give off to the satisfying nature of their play.

But I think he's missing the point. He's just another social media curmudgeon that's come under some criticism and scrutiny and kind of entirely misunderstood why.

He's created entertainment media perhaps with no overt intention of harming anyone, and just being self-indulgent in his interests, but I think he's missed the point that games have gotten much more ubiquitous than they were as many of us audience members grew up with them and creators grew alongside the industry as well, and with the huge new following and with people growing up and maturing alongside the medium, there's coming an inseparable link between our adult lives and the media we desire to continue consuming.

That's to say, men and women are becoming far more socially conscious -- and not in a social-justice-warrior way, I mean from a level of actual adult interactions and experiences -- of their interactions with other people. The entertainment is still there to provide a reflection or escapism from whatever we've been dealing with in our adult lives, and I think that's why a growing consciousness for games-as-art has come about -- because the industry as a whole has largely advanced in age and those themes and ideas being explored as part of our growing is resonating a lot.

Now, I wish I had statistics to cite this, and I can really only cite anecdotal and flawed data, but it seems to me like I run into a lot more people on the 'net that are in their 30s or 40s and still discussing games with almost feverish enthusiasm. Sure, there's still a lot of younger folks than that, but I remember when I got my start in games discussion by way of GameFAQs, the old-school and then-not-taboo subject of "A/S/L" yielded a lot of late teens and early 20s any time it got asked -- and the tone of conversation tended to reflect that age group and what you might reasonably expect from people of that age and level of life experience. I think it's just around 23 or 24, as people tend to leave college or kind of hit that age where they're very much coming into their adulthood independence, that people tend to start to have a shift to higher levels of social consciousness, either by understanding their need to get better at certain types of interactions or starting to have enough experiences interacting with other people that they start to understand what they're doing right and what they're doing wrong when it comes to winning over social favor, and it starts occurring in a far more dynamic and arguably empathic way. That, or it's the age where you double down on your perceived social strengths and decide that it's for sure the type of person you want to be -- either way, that type of person probably had pause to be challenged and had to make a decision to continue or change.

Speaking personally, I grew up a military brat and within a pretty conservative social bubble, which was then overlapped with sort of the early-2000's-"gamer" persona, i.e. the type of crowd that had its mind blown when Mountain Dew was running Halo code promotions and thinking it was a clear sign that gaming had "gone big." In other words, kind of the foul-mouthed, socially unaware, stereotypical jerk bag. I mean, it didn't completely define my personality, but that's how I tended to present myself to other people as I was just breaking into internet forum discussions about videogames. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is a game that would very much have appealed to my late-teenage tastes, but being 31 years old now, I have a difficult time interacting with it. So what's changed since then? I left home at 18 to attend college, experienced something of a culture shock, realized that my "full-stop nerd" presentation was so small and insignificant to the larger culture I had found myself moving into, I bumped into people that had life experiences so far removed from my own that I started to grasp with concepts and experiences that I had never been capable of imagining before (some positive, some horrifically bad), and all of that continued as I stayed away from that bubble I grew up in for 18 whole years. I'm still learning stuff about people and what they have to go through that's entirely different than what I did, and I feel like it's personally enriching to me to listen and to understand and I enjoy expanding the scope of my empathy. Not everyone digs that, but I know for sure I'm not alone in that notion. See, growing up the way I did, it was very much the sort of "alpha male" personality that was taught and expected of me, and despite my interest in games and anime growing up, I tried to apply those concepts to the entertainment I consumed, and the violent power fantasy was always there to sort of back up and reinforce that in videogames and the type of anime I watched. It was my idea of male identity and male success. It's also a culture, I learned, that did a pretty good job of suppressing and hiding the horror and hurt of sexual harassment and assault, because I had grown up around a lot of domestic violence and possible sexual assault (hate to say it, but seemingly not uncommon in military circles) -- domestic violence was actually a part of my household, too. SHAMEFULLY, I grew up for about 14 years just thinking this was typical man controlling the household behavior. One particular bout of domestic violence between my parents when I was 14 shook me and made me feel genuine fear that the entire illusion snapped. I held that experience to myself and tried my hardest to cope (often failing and giving way to depression) until I left home. At 18, running into other people with a wide range of really positive experiences and really negative experiences like mine kinda helped me establish a way to redefine myself, and I was really blessed at the time that a lot of game developers seemed to be trying to explore more narrative possibilities that either brought kind of a sense of hurt to all of the violence on display or tried to explore things beyond violence all-together. Now, I'm not saying that games made me a violent person, but they kind of reflected and reinforced the ways I was taught to view violence and its place in adult life as I was growing up, and I don't think it ever, ever came from a place of game developers trying to mind control the masses or anything, but rather it just came from a place of them not really having an opportunity in their lives to run into other types of experiences and understand that it's not all as heroic and cool as we think.

That said, I think my own story there is just ONE TINY part of a bigger movement that's kind of just caught on as other people that partake in this industry have also found opportunities to grow as people, and that comes from both the audience and the development side of things. I think God of War 2018 might be one big indication of that, going from a high-octane, extremely glorified romp of masculine power fantasy when I was just getting ready to leave for college to a story about that kind of man trying to grapple with the pain of the violence of his past and the threat it poses to his current circumstances with his son, a loss he can't endure to suffer again. Cory Barlog went from expanding upon Kratos' then-hyper-masculine icon status to turning him into a desperate father on a quest to honor and protect the only family he's got left in pretty bold creative contrast to Kratos' origins, and I don't think that's an accident -- I think Cory (and much of his team at SSM) had a slew of adulthood experiences that shifted him as a person over time. That's just the most recent example I can think of, I think older-running series like Yakuza have continuously grappled with these ideas since they debuted on PS2, and I think that lends a huge part to its cult following and new-found wider appreciation -- Kiryu was always young and impressionable to his ideal of the Yakuza in the early games but had to constantly face various other interpretations and life experiences of Yakuza that threatened his own well being and challenged his notion of what it meant to be Yakuza over the course of the series, and I think audiences absolutely understand what that's like, because that's just adulthood if you find yourself having to live outside of your known comfort zone and bumping into other people all the time.

There's a lot of talk about how gaming social culture is very male dominated and there's been obvious backlash to the idea of inclusion in some circles of gaming culture that seems to hope to preserve that good old notion so that it can just continue to almost exclusively pander to those tastes. On one hand, I can kinda get why the culture might resist growing up -- because when I got culture shocked into being exposed to people from vastly different backgrounds with different income levels, experiences, etc... It was not comfortable to feel so insignificant after all. People latch to the escapism of games so hard and it's typically been very reinforcing of masculine domination that for some people, especially people who are perceived as "nerdy losers," it might be the only constant outlet of comfort and support for their belief system. You get a whole lot "incel" types that fail to realize that their own social failures are their own inability to adapt to the presence of other personalities that come from entirely different experiences, and there's a sort of "persecution" to being a nerd that backs up their need for a comfort zone, which games more than often tend to provide -- again, not out of malicious intention in most cases, just that I think many developers themselves lived through those types of experiences and probably never really ran into alternatives. I mean, think about your college's computer science or computer programming program about 10-15 years ago -- probably not super diverse, or if you lack data, you probably don't THINK of it as super diverse.

It's not an apology for their behavior, just a theory about the cause of the behavior. Kamiya probably achieved his status long ago before this industry started to reflect a more diverse range of backgrounds, before the audience expanded due to a lot of social and technological factors beyond its scope, and his game design to me does feel very rooted in an old-school design philosophy when it comes to sort of the skill-based aspects of the gameplay and the absurdly fun over-the-top narrative vibe of many of the games. Since he was established and had his identity as a game designer so reinforced in that day and age, I bet he's having a lot of difficulty with people challenging his self-perception, especially since he achieved it probably at the same time in his life that I explained earlier -- kind of the mid-20s to mid-30s age range where I think many people become open to the formation of their adult selves. There's a part of me that greatly appreciated his work when I was younger and still exists today -- I still contribute to Kamiya's ongoing success, even though I'm unafraid to be openly critical of how his style can run against some of my personal perceptions about the world now. I think it's okay that Kamiya is still doing well, and I still love playing his games, even if they don't cater to the real-world ideals I've adopted, but I think it's perfectly okay for me to say so without trying to get Kamiya banished out of the industry or failing to inspire him to change at all. He does, however, seem to be the type to double down and feel threatened any time someone tries to criticize him, and that can be problematic to an audience that's growing in such a diverse and rapid way -- that much is undeniably apparent in the OP's webcomic, and it's a shame.

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