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« Reply #61800 on: February 18, 2019, 09:19:47 AM »
If you can roll up discrimination, censorship, eugenics or ethnic cleansing into the euphemism of "deplatforming", think of the possibilities when the tables finally turn in favour of the enlightened elite.
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We'll never know what they actually want because they have no platform to communicate their ideas though

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« Reply #61801 on: February 18, 2019, 09:23:04 AM »
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You don't stop doing a thing because it's not a perfect solution.

debating contrary ideas is not a perfect solution, because not all people can be swayed by reasonable debate.

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« Reply #61802 on: February 18, 2019, 09:24:26 AM »
Basically The Kree is massively full of shit

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« Reply #61803 on: February 18, 2019, 09:26:25 AM »
 :badass :trigger :umad :no1curr

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« Reply #61804 on: February 18, 2019, 09:29:26 AM »
fuck it

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« Reply #61805 on: February 18, 2019, 09:35:48 AM »
Hypocrisy and impassioned beliefs. Name a more iconic duo.


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« Reply #61806 on: February 18, 2019, 09:36:42 AM »
I'm so shook I can barely write this post on why Sonya Blade's costume reveals far too much elbow.  Stay safe, fam

Seems fine to me :D




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« Reply #61807 on: February 18, 2019, 09:38:59 AM »
I'm basically  :trigger every time The Kree posts his stupid fucking "History tells us deplatforming works" bullshit, because history tells us the exact fucking opposite, unless you want to talk about really specific examples like the Indus whose written language we still haven't managed to figure out ~4000 years later.

You can't stop ideas by saying "stop having that idea" and you don't stop people communicating ideas by saying "don't talk about that idea".
Stick Galileo in a cell and force him to recant all you fucking want, his ideas persist, and yet it moves.

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« Reply #61808 on: February 18, 2019, 09:39:29 AM »
I'm so shook I can barely write this post on why Sonya Blade's costume reveals far too much elbow.  Stay safe, fam

Seems fine to me :D

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« Reply #61809 on: February 18, 2019, 09:48:07 AM »
I'm basically  :trigger every time The Kree posts his stupid fucking "History tells us deplatforming works" bullshit, because history tells us the exact fucking opposite,

You can even extend it out to Romans/Christians and the Catholics/Martin Luther.


Although, I will say that it seemed to work in dictatorships. You never really heard about the famous opposition leaders/movements to Saddam Hussein or Kim Jong Il. Systemic murder and genocide seems to be the best way to enforce deplatforming.



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« Reply #61810 on: February 18, 2019, 09:51:26 AM »
I'm basically  :trigger every time The Kree posts his stupid fucking "History tells us deplatforming works" bullshit, because history tells us the exact fucking opposite,

You can even extend it out to Romans/Christians and the Catholics/Martin Luther.


Although, I will say that it seemed to work in dictatorships. You never really heard about the famous opposition leaders/movements to Saddam Hussein or Kim Jong Il. Systemic murder and genocide seems to be the best way to enforce deplatforming.




interesting enough alot of era members are calling for guillotines.

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« Reply #61811 on: February 18, 2019, 09:59:33 AM »
Although, I will say that it seemed to work in dictatorships. You never really heard about the famous opposition leaders/movements to Saddam Hussein or Kim Jong Il. Systemic murder and genocide seems to be the best way to enforce deplatforming.

But even in those scenarios you're - at best - just keeping a lid on a powderkeg; people are still thinking "this dude is fucking clownshoes and we'd be better off without him", and they're still saying that to people in private, even where the risk of saying so is horrific torture and brutal execution.
And it only takes one spark - a moment of weakness, an illness, a war against a stronger enemy, going too far over the line - for that idea to spring up in force and blow that totalitarian regime to fucking pieces.

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« Reply #61812 on: February 18, 2019, 10:02:30 AM »

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« Reply #61813 on: February 18, 2019, 10:05:39 AM »
interesting enough alot of era members are calling for guillotines.

Because they never heard the tragedy of Darth Robespierre the wise

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« Reply #61814 on: February 18, 2019, 10:16:24 AM »
One year ago, 50 Shades of Grey played during my Black Panther screening. People grabbed their kids and ran out. Dude yelled out "The whites are at it again.".

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« Reply #61815 on: February 18, 2019, 10:19:39 AM »
A lot of people don't get it because it's so outside the perspective they are used to; which makes it that much better, really. There are very few mainstream films that aren't specifically written to please white males ages 14-35(even if you're not this, this is what you're likely used to) and it leads to people calling the film overrated because they don't "get it". They talk about the third act's CGI because they can't identify with the characters for reasons that says more about them than it does the film.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Black Panther. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Killmonger's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Black Panther truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in T'Challa's existential catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Ryan Coogler's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Wakanda Forever tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎

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« Reply #61816 on: February 18, 2019, 10:30:08 AM »
It seems a lot nicer when you just think of it as the Nazis deplatforming the Jews.

You don't stop doing a thing because it's not a perfect solution.

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« Reply #61817 on: February 18, 2019, 10:36:41 AM »
it's the best marvel movie i've seen for whatever that is worth

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« Reply #61818 on: February 18, 2019, 10:44:18 AM »
tbh, I just want the MCU to keep spinning its wheels until they're really scraping the barrel of properties and I can get a Sam Raimi Marvel Zombies flick

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« Reply #61819 on: February 18, 2019, 10:53:00 AM »
I like the plot of Black Panther;  it's more interesting than any other comic book film really.  It's just the storytelling that falls flat a bit for me.

I assume you mean cape movie, because shit like Road To Perdition, 30 Days Of Night and Ghost World are comic book movies

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« Reply #61820 on: February 18, 2019, 10:57:21 AM »
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Like 90% of porn these days. I'm not a sociopath, please stop hitting women in mainstream porn, thanks.
Too many men happen to be in the director and writer's chair unfortunately.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/rumour-porn-production-suspended-in-europe-porn-superstar-nacho-vidal-is-hiv-positive.100333/post-18041224

Oh god, RE goes after porn now. I don't even recall Nacho doing hitting

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« Reply #61821 on: February 18, 2019, 11:03:31 AM »
And some of them are doing their “HIV is no big deal” schtick.
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« Reply #61822 on: February 18, 2019, 11:08:47 AM »
And some of them are doing their “HIV is no big deal” schtick.

Which seems like a great idea;  make people less afraid of unprotected sex so that people with HIV's feelings aren't hurt.  (it would fucking suck to have HIV and have people be afraid of you but it all seems counter productive)

Beats their prior stance which was to harass a porn star into suicide because of her fear of doing a scene with a bi performer.

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« Reply #61823 on: February 18, 2019, 11:19:35 AM »
marrec refusing to have sex with someone with HIV is just as offensive to me as marrec refusing to have sex with a trans person

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« Reply #61824 on: February 18, 2019, 11:27:38 AM »
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Resetera's own pizzagate :rejoice


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« Reply #61825 on: February 18, 2019, 11:30:18 AM »
having to close a thread about kiddy porn cause you're too scared your userbase will use it as a roadmap :lol

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« Reply #61826 on: February 18, 2019, 11:35:15 AM »
having to close a thread about kiddy porn cause you're too scared your userbase will use it as a roadmap :lol

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« Reply #61828 on: February 18, 2019, 11:40:27 AM »
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« Reply #61829 on: February 18, 2019, 12:09:20 PM »
Hobbes thread.  :lol


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« Reply #61831 on: February 18, 2019, 12:22:17 PM »
You can't stop ideas by saying "stop having that idea" and you don't stop people communicating ideas by saying "don't talk about that idea".
Stick Galileo in a cell and force him to recant all you fucking want, his ideas persist, and yet it moves.

Conflating a falsifiable scientific claim with, say, Ben Shapiro's opinions that are sometimes rooted in his having an imaginary friend seems a bit dishonest.


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« Reply #61833 on: February 18, 2019, 12:27:13 PM »
What kind of moron purposefully does the same searching like they are going to get some journalism pass when the feds come knocking.

Also that guy probably jerked off then freaked out and created the video after as cover.  Notice his auto-fills when he searched “bikini haul” had “teen” lol
Oh and beyond that google still knows it’s you when you create a new account and that doesn’t prove that your recommended videos aren’t influenced by past behaviors on the web. 
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« Reply #61834 on: February 18, 2019, 12:27:56 PM »
Not nacho  :( I literally like how the guy fucks.

Doesn’t he choke the girls, toss them around the set, and basically make it look like he’s raping them?

they're just reenacting Mortal Kombat

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« Reply #61835 on: February 18, 2019, 12:33:31 PM »
Stop your like bullying.  :wag

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« Reply #61836 on: February 18, 2019, 12:33:44 PM »
I’m pretty sure that youtube uses device fingerprinting to track people.

If you are getting creep stuff recommended.. well :doge


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« Reply #61838 on: February 18, 2019, 12:35:04 PM »
You can't stop ideas by saying "stop having that idea" and you don't stop people communicating ideas by saying "don't talk about that idea".
Stick Galileo in a cell and force him to recant all you fucking want, his ideas persist, and yet it moves.

Conflating a falsifiable scientific claim with, say, Ben Shapiro's opinions that are sometimes rooted in his having an imaginary friend seems a bit dishonest.

But the action to try and stifle the idea remains the same; by this authority I declare this idea false and forbid its discussion.
Bad ideas are dismantled through exposure to better ideas, not by stifling their expression.
And the point I was making that stifling an idea does almost nothing to stop its propagation, and even less to its existence in peoples minds.

e: like, at very best you can make ideas shameful to the people who hold them; but the idea persists, it is only the degree of shame an individual feels that will stop them expressing it, and the likelihood of seeking out other like minded individuals increases
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« Reply #61839 on: February 18, 2019, 12:37:31 PM »
just remembering the time riootus got me to click a link to a google search of some under age porn  :lol :lol :lol

it had been about 15 years since i clicked on troll link, i was devastated  :-[
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« Reply #61840 on: February 18, 2019, 12:40:59 PM »
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« Reply #61841 on: February 18, 2019, 12:43:38 PM »
just remembering the time riootus got me to click a link to a google search of some under age porn  :lol :lol :lol

it had been about 15 years since i clicked on troll link, i was devastated  :-[

wow, that's fucked up.

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« Reply #61842 on: February 18, 2019, 12:44:37 PM »
marrec refusing to have sex with someone with HIV is just as offensive to me as marrec refusing to have sex with a trans person

Oh dear. Now you’ve got me imagining marrec running naked through a hotel lobby being chased by a 6’6 trans woman in nothing but stockings and heels, yelling (rightly so) about how he’s a transphobic bigot.

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« Reply #61843 on: February 18, 2019, 12:45:37 PM »
Hobbes insistence in sending that video to every media organization and video game press enthusiasts (???) seems more like he no longer wants to be a Freelance gaming journalist. Would love to have seen those emails.

“I got a breaking story!!”

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« Reply #61844 on: February 18, 2019, 12:46:25 PM »
marrec refusing to have sex with someone with HIV is just as offensive to me as marrec refusing to have sex with a trans person

Oh dear. Now you’ve got me imagining marrec running naked through a hotel lobby being chased by a 6’6 trans woman in nothing but stockings and heels, yelling (rightly so) about how he’s a transphobic bigot.

 :whew

I’m totally not touching myself.

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« Reply #61845 on: February 18, 2019, 12:51:50 PM »
So I just went ahead and made a YouTube burner account, because we have a swimwear side business and have reached out to try on haul models in the past and never encountered pedobait stuff.

Turns out it’s actually true. If you make a burner account.

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« Reply #61847 on: February 18, 2019, 12:54:07 PM »
Downplaying the widespread reach of mp1st.com :gurl

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« Reply #61848 on: February 18, 2019, 12:55:57 PM »
Everytime I see shostas avatar I get hot an bothered because a tulsi/sanders campaign could be the sexiest one since obama/biden




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« Reply #61849 on: February 18, 2019, 01:26:40 PM »
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« Reply #61850 on: February 18, 2019, 01:27:53 PM »
Not nacho  :( I literally like how the guy fucks.

Doesn’t he choke the girls, toss them around the set, and basically make it look like he’s raping them?

It's rough but I don't know about raping  :idont

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« Reply #61851 on: February 18, 2019, 01:28:30 PM »
just remembering the time riootus got me to click a link to a google search of some under age porn  :lol :lol :lol

it had been about 15 years since i clicked on troll link, i was devastated  :-[

wow, that's fucked up.

Except it was just the google search for a name from an article someone else posted.

Got banned for that lol

so you pulled a Hobbes. Except Hobbes isn't banned

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« Reply #61852 on: February 18, 2019, 01:30:04 PM »
 :-[
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« Reply #61853 on: February 18, 2019, 01:30:33 PM »
You can't stop ideas by saying "stop having that idea" and you don't stop people communicating ideas by saying "don't talk about that idea".
Stick Galileo in a cell and force him to recant all you fucking want, his ideas persist, and yet it moves.

Conflating a falsifiable scientific claim with, say, Ben Shapiro's opinions that are sometimes rooted in his having an imaginary friend seems a bit dishonest.

But the action to try and stifle the idea remains the same; by this authority I declare this idea false and forbid its discussion.
Bad ideas are dismantled through exposure to better ideas, not by stifling their expression.
And the point I was making that stifling an idea does almost nothing to stop its propagation, and even less to its existence in peoples minds.
We live in an era in which the common (1st world) person is connected to a device out of necessity, of which social media and the internet plays a large role in one’s life.

 By design people are thrown into sites without much moderation or regulation, which—whatever, with a constant stream of information specifically tailored to manipulate and influence with largely refined, proven strategies.

It’s not a new concept, but waves of news/information are constantly melted down to base levels and thrust upon these devices, and by design people are led into separate sources of information/news/advertising/media and with increased presence throughout time.

Without any oversight, blatant lies are propagated throughout society, and they are further pushed into a connected circle that connects to other niche related groups, while remaining hyper isolated from content that would drive them away.

These bite sized lies and insane beliefs (antivax/flat earth/climate) show real world consequence and there’s a monetary benefit to all parties involved to keep this system going.

Those with vested interests that understand these algorithms and want to game the system are well encouraged to do so as they further feed the social circle with LCD content that can be easily spread and engaged with.

It’s no wonder that disingenuous (not read “ignorant” or “ side I disagree with” ) people like Ben Shapiro can just make up facts or anecdotes with no consequence or risk. He even guest starred in one of PewDiePie’s videos for the “meme”  and not at all for any other reason. He’s just degrading himself in front of an impressionable audience because it’s funny, and totally not because of the direct/indirect pulls towards Conservative content on all your social medias.

Take a look at Anti-Vax material, despite bringing back diseases previously eradicated, Anti-Vax material isn’t just “existing” across the internet, but it’s  thriving.

There’s a problem with how blatant misinformation is irresponsibly handled, and no amount of open debate will cure hyperisolated bubbles that are infesting our society and setting us back hundreds of years.

I’m not saying “removing Ben Shapiro from the internet is great”, but at some point a solution needs to be made so as to prevent some extremely dangerous ideas proliferate among sizable portions of the population that can enact change, but are not necessarily easy to connect to.

in the current, digitized world. trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander...All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. lt will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context. The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards development of convenient half-truths.

Just look at the strange juxtapositions of morality around you.

Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other humans.

Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims.

Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations are made to protect endangered species.

Everyone grows up being told the same thing. Be nice to other people... But beat out the competition!

"You're special. Believe in yourself and you will succeed." But it's obvious from the start that only a few can succeed...

You exercise your right to 'freedom' and this is the result. All rhetoric to avoid conflict and protect each other from hurt. The untested truths spun by different interests to churn and accumulate in the sandbox of political correctness and value systems. Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum.

They stay inside their little ponds leaking whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large.

The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right.Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "truth".

And this is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper.

We‘re trying to stop that from happening. It's our responsibility as rulers. Just as in genetics, unnecessary information and memory must be filtered out to stimulate the evolution of the species. Who else could wade through the sea of garbage you people produce, retrieve valuable truths and even interpret their meaning for later generations?

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« Reply #61854 on: February 18, 2019, 01:32:16 PM »
just remembering the time riootus got me to click a link to a google search of some under age porn  :lol :lol :lol

it had been about 15 years since i clicked on troll link, i was devastated  :-[

wow, that's fucked up.

Except it was just the google search for a name from an article someone else posted.

Got banned for that lol

so you pulled a Hobbes. Except Hobbes isn't banned

 :point

But he is Freelance like riotous.

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« Reply #61855 on: February 18, 2019, 01:36:34 PM »
just remembering the time riootus got me to click a link to a google search of some under age porn  :lol :lol :lol

it had been about 15 years since i clicked on troll link, i was devastated  :-[

wow, that's fucked up.

Except it was just the google search for a name from an article someone else posted.

Got banned for that lol

yikes

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« Reply #61856 on: February 18, 2019, 01:40:08 PM »
That video, for those who care, is here:


It had 2k views when hobbes posted it, now it's gone viral at half a mil. If you want more search terms to "test" this, ask Rufus.

I think it's actually a little funny and absurd what happened here. YouTube used ML for its recs and perverts kept training it to fetch more videos of kids stretching or trying on swimsuits. :lol I think the easiest solution is that there should be a family setting for accounts so that they don't get sucked into the neural net. That might be a compromise between doing nothing and arranging for a sortie on the YouTube server farm to Protect the Children.
The easiest solution would be to triangulate the IP's and send in the drones.  :maf
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« Reply #61857 on: February 18, 2019, 01:40:20 PM »
riotous, much like stufte is a developer and shosta & amir0x are child exploitation whistleblowers, is an engineer.   8)

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« Reply #61858 on: February 18, 2019, 01:50:33 PM »


wow this guy must be a mega coon, or should I say maga

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« Reply #61859 on: February 18, 2019, 01:57:03 PM »
We live in an era in which the common (1st world) person is connected to a device out of necessity, of which social media and the internet plays a large role in one’s life.

 By design people are thrown into sites without much moderation or regulation, which—whatever, with a constant stream of information specifically tailored to manipulate and influence with largely refined, proven strategies.

It’s not a new concept, but waves of news/information are constantly melted down to base levels and thrust upon these devices, and by design people are led into separate sources of information/news/advertising/media and with increased presence throughout time.

Without any oversight, blatant lies are propagated throughout society, and they are further pushed into a connected circle that connects to other niche related groups, while remaining hyper isolated from content that would drive them away.

These bite sized lies and insane beliefs (antivax/flat earth/climate) show real world consequence and there’s a monetary benefit to all parties involved to keep this system going.

Those with vested interests that understand these algorithms and want to game the system are well encouraged to do so as they further feed the social circle with LCD content that can be easily spread and engaged with.

It’s no wonder that disingenuous (not read “ignorant” or “ side I disagree with” ) people like Ben Shapiro can just make up facts or anecdotes with no consequence or risk. He even guest starred in one of PewDiePie’s videos for the “meme”  and not at all for any other reason. He’s just degrading himself in front of an impressionable audience because it’s funny, and totally not because of the direct/indirect pulls towards Conservative content on all your social medias.

Take a look at Anti-Vax material, despite bringing back diseases previously eradicated, Anti-Vax material isn’t just “existing” across the internet, but it’s  thriving.

There’s a problem with how blatant misinformation is irresponsibly handled, and no amount of open debate will cure hyperisolated bubbles that are infesting our society and setting us back hundreds of years.

I’m not saying “removing Ben Shapiro from the internet is great”, but at some point a solution needs to be made so as to prevent some extremely dangerous ideas proliferate among sizable portions of the population that can enact change, but are not necessarily easy to connect to.

Every mass medium has resulted in a panic that it can be used to spread dangerous ideas that the hoi palloi are too stupid to protect themselves from, and must be guarded from by an elite who control the dissemination of information.
Every mass medium.
Go back 50 years and there was panic about television.
Go back 100 and it was radio.
Go back 150 and it was cheaply printed pamphlets and penny dreadfuls.

The cure for being able to recognise disinformation and propaganda is fostering critical thinking, not creating gatekeepers to control the medium, and therefore the messaging.

Shutting down people with questions with the equivalent of "Because I fucking said so" doesn't persuade them to the strength of your argument, and if someone else is providing answers to questions - false answers - they will listen to those people, because at least they're answering the question.

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