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Re: Bungie: "🖕 Fuck Activision 🖕"
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2019, 09:23:15 PM »
Who woulda thunk that would have happened a second time

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2019, 09:32:06 PM »
I hope Destiny 2 comes to the Epic Games Store now.

Maybe it'll be good when it does.
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 01:16:14 AM »
Time to go back to Apple I guess :rejoice

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 01:19:31 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2019, 01:31:26 AM »
activision sucks

but not nearly as much as destiny
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 03:04:44 AM »
I bought Destiny 2 at 50% off and it was still a bad deal cause it was free a fee months later. Why would I ever buy this crap again?

activision sucks

but not nearly as much as destiny

Yeah and I bet Destiny numbers are terribad if they are letting them go like this

Hope I can remove Destiny from the Blizz launcher now

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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 07:15:01 AM »
Destiny 2 was such a total disaster that Activision probably kicked Bungie out of bed and told them they could keep the loose change.

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 07:27:15 AM »
Destiny 2 was such a total disaster that Activision probably kicked Bungie out of bed and told them they could keep the loose change.
The thing is, a lot of the problems with Destiny were with the stupid attempt at monetization.
The gameplay was great, the art direction was cool, the game ran well... if they had made a normal FPS-RPG hybrid with coop, it would've been a great game, but they had to be all weird about it.

Maybe now they got their shot at it.
Scale it back, focus on what matters.

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 08:05:38 AM »
If there is a category for most disappointing game this Gen, Destiny 2 would win this with flying colors. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 09:07:54 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2019, 10:00:16 AM »
I hope they can do something worthwhile now with the IP. Though they did fuck it up themselves for the most part.

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2019, 10:18:47 AM »
If there is a category for most disappointing game this Gen, Destiny 2 would win this with flying colors.

Star Ocean 5 for me :(
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2019, 10:42:54 AM »
If there is a category for most disappointing game this Gen, Destiny 2 would win this with flying colors.

Destiny 1 imho


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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2019, 10:44:21 AM »
Everyone is blaming Activision for how crap Blizzare and Bungie are, but imho its on their own fault.

Halo was already ass after 1 (imho)

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2019, 10:44:39 AM »
Activision is still shit ofc

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2019, 10:50:50 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2019, 10:58:54 AM »
check out my fucking OPINION imho
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2019, 11:16:39 AM »
220 hrs on destiny 2 so far
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2019, 11:45:06 AM »
activision sucks

but not nearly as much as destiny

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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2019, 11:48:48 AM »
funniest this about this is people still holding out hope that destiny will become good. how many years of false hope do you need before you move on lmao
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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2019, 12:09:41 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2019, 12:43:17 PM »
220 hrs on destiny 2 so far

Is this a weird brag or a cry for help?

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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2019, 01:15:05 PM »
:rofl @ people thinking this will change anything.

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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2019, 01:22:59 PM »
Can't wait for them to announce they're going with EA or something.

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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2019, 01:54:19 PM »
Hope they go exclusive with Sony.

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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2019, 02:34:45 PM »
Headline: Bungie to reunite with Microsoft studios
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2019, 04:16:12 PM »
Headline: Bungie to reunite with Microsoft studios

Well.MS hasnt moved on from Halo Forza Gears so why not

Party like its 2006

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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2019, 04:21:47 PM »
Headline: Bungie to reunite with Microsoft studios

Well.MS hasnt moved on from Halo Forza Gears so why not

Party like its 2006

Looks at Sony's first party lineup from 2018.

God of War
Spider-Man
Shadow of the Colossus


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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2019, 04:43:45 PM »
Headline: Bungie to reunite with Microsoft studios

Well.MS hasnt moved on from Halo Forza Gears so why not

Party like its 2006

Looks at Sony's first party lineup from 2018.

God of War
Spider-Man
Shadow of the Colossus

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Being fair to Lager's gównosłupek: Spider-man isn't on #5-10 yet.

You're right about the other two though.

Headline: Bungie to reunite with Microsoft studios

If anything, this would at least make Halo/IP better than it has been under 343/Frankie.

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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2019, 07:24:34 PM »
The reporting on this is pretty funny, I've yet to see an outlet realize that the original ten year deal signed in 2010 was probably coming up for extension discussions.

They essentially just agreed to let it expire with no penalty for Bungie not releasing the three games remaining on the deal before 2020. Likely because despite this and all the many issues, they probably made more off Destiny 1 and 2 than projected.

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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2019, 07:28:42 PM »
To bring over from the Destiny 2 thread:
Also the original deal called for four Destiny games along with four expansion packs through 2020. With various DLCs inbetween.

Original Plan was:
Destiny - Fall 2013
Expansion - Fall 2014
Destiny 2 - Fall 2015
Expansion - Fall 2016
Destiny 3 - Fall 2017
Expansion - Fall 2018
Destiny 4 - Fall 2019
Expansion - Fall 2020

edit: here's the contract: http://documents.latimes.com/bungie-activision-contract/
To compare what actually happened
Destiny - Fall 2014
Destiny expansion 1 - Fall 2015
Destiny expansion 2 - Fall 2016
Destiny 2 - Fall 2017
Destiny 2 expansion - Fall 2018
Huh, Bungie was supposed to develop a prototype "Action-Shooter Game" for Activision termed "Marathon" after "Destiny Game" related income surpassed $375 million.
Each year Bungie's employees got UP TO TWO COPIES of other Activision published products! :omg

And Jason Schrierer's piece on how they basically didn't start creating the first game until 2013: https://kotaku.com/the-messy-true-story-behind-the-making-of-destiny-1737556731

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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2019, 07:35:10 PM »
Activision had indicated that after The Taken King that they had already made their side of the projected investment back. Probably one reason they decided to discount/give away 2 so quickly.

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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2019, 08:20:11 PM »

If anything, this would at least make Halo/IP better than it has been under 343/Frankie.

Microsoft: "The covenant all look like Mitch McConell and Master Chief has lost all his guns and keeps making speeches about feminism. Bungie can you sort this?"
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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2019, 09:11:28 PM »
skimming that contract, activision has first right of negotiation on any future destiny content. is that normal for a a partnership like this?

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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2019, 09:33:07 PM »
skimming that contract, activision has first right of negotiation on any future destiny content. is that normal for a a partnership like this?

Sure. What's the downside for either side really? :thinking
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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2019, 10:16:44 PM »
skimming that contract, activision has first right of negotiation on any future destiny content. is that normal for a a partnership like this?
yeah, when they've funded the IP from scratch but are agreeing not to own the IP this is highly traditional, that's why you get a lot of IP kludges both not only in gaming but very often in Hollywood

a lot of those film sequels/reboots you hear about being worked on that suddenly disappear for a decade or more are often due to this kind of situation, a studio will use its right of first refusal to "acquire" the film, then can it because even though they've been burned on the IP, they don't want anyone else to have it...Spider-Man was this way until Sony grabbed it and sorta is this way again regarding his MCU appearances, Ghost Rider I believe exists in this nebulous situation where the owner would never again want to make those after the Nic Cage films, but they don't want them to revert to Marvel either out of fear that it might work out for them

gaming is a bit different because a large segment of gamers in general are so well tuned in to the developers versus merely the franchises, you get some of that with actors/directors in films, but it's far more niche, way more people know about BUNGIE or BIOWARE or VOLITION or whoever that they have a bit more leverage than directors often do (just look at everything del Toro attempts to make)

one other way gaming is unique is a situation like where Sierra gets bought by somebody and then goes defunct, or Interplay where the whole company goes defunct except for a file cabinet full of IPs somewhere...Hollywood has much more of a system in place to "free" these rights back up whereas gaming is more likely to just go "okay, it's a SPIRITUAL SEQUEL"

in this case, Activision probably does not want Bungie taking Destiny to EA or Ubisoft, but if Bungie goes back to Microsoft or tries something with THQ Nordic or other smaller publisher, Activision may just ask for a small cut of royalties to end the first right of refusal

all of this is without me rechecking the contract to see if that right expires with the agreement, often it's written to be perpetual

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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2019, 10:25:09 PM »
IIRC, Bungie demanded to keep the Destiny IP because they regretted letting Microsoft buy Bungie and thus be the owners of Halo from the start. And Activision was more okay with that and offered more funding than EA since EA had a similar deal in the works for Respawn.

That side deal EA was making with Respawn is why we even know every single thing about Bungie's deal with Activision. It was introduced as evidence in the trial. (Which is why everyone assumed Respawn's original deal with EA looked very similar just with different figures. But now that's all irrelevant since they sold the company to EA.)

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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2019, 12:53:19 AM »
Headline: Bungie to reunite with Microsoft studios

Well.MS hasnt moved on from Halo Forza Gears so why not

Party like its 2006

Looks at Sony's first party lineup from 2018.

God of War
Spider-Man
Shadow of the Colossus

(Image removed from quote.)

Gears has 5 games in 10 years
Halo has 7 in 14 years
Forza has 11 in 13 years

God of War has 4 in 13

Yeah its totally the same  ::)

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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2019, 01:15:36 AM »
I count eight God of War games? ???

Also 11 Halo games.

In none of the cases did I count remasters or collections. Which I think Philip was alluding to especially with mentioning SOTC.

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« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2019, 01:27:38 AM »
Im not counting things like Halo Wars or God War psp

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« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2019, 06:30:51 AM »
Im not counting things like Halo Wars or God War psp

You didn't count this either.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_War:_Ascension

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   It is the seventh installment in the God of War series and prequel to the entire series.

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« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2019, 06:56:05 AM »
IIRC, Bungie demanded to keep the Destiny IP because they regretted letting Microsoft buy Bungie and thus be the owners of Halo from the start. And Activision was more okay with that and offered more funding than EA since EA had a similar deal in the works for Respawn.

That side deal EA was making with Respawn is why we even know every single thing about Bungie's deal with Activision. It was introduced as evidence in the trial. (Which is why everyone assumed Respawn's original deal with EA looked very similar just with different figures. But now that's all irrelevant since they sold the company to EA.)
After all the dust has settled Vince really came out the winner out of this one.
Half a billion for his studio and more or less EA's main studio after Henig blew herself up, sutherland drained DICE and Visceral slowly degraded.
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