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[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

got banned for shitting on white people in the star wars game thread. Some mod is on to me
https://www.resetera.com/threads/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-official-reveal-trailer-ea-respawn-november-15-2019-ps4-xb1-pc.111361/page-8#post-19812057

[Drainage]

You still see me around as a member, thought not as an staff member, and likely posting gifs.

This is an ok post, but there's some problems I am seeing. I'm not sure what is going in the OP with the over-usage of bold and underline, but it makes the post itself extremely difficult to read. Additionally, when you're outlining this as some form of breakdown on a situation, it is strange that many of these points are raised without citation or linking to the referenced incident.

Two examples:

People are, in fact, excited by new storefronts.

A statement like this needs to have some sort of citation or elaboration. Who is excited by storefronts? Who are these people?

we learned that all these exclusive games would launch for a 12 month exclusive period

While I know the referenced sources here, it would be to your benefit to provide those sources so a reader unfamiliar with the situation can access the information for themselves.

[paprikastaude]

Wow, when I joined the forum I thought it would be progressive and inclusive. If I had known it would be _this_ reactionary when someone questions the dominance of white male protagonists I might as well have made an account on reddit or the dozen of other gaming forums filled with gamers who whine whenever other people ask for more diverse representation in video games.

This forum isn't that progressive. This is the gaming side you know... they love their games.

[paprikastaude]

Considering the insanity level of the remaining people in that community, how will they survive E3? Will they kill each other over every game announcement that doesn't resemble their dream 2016 election fanfic?

[Lonewulfeus]

I’m just surprised no one tried to claim gingers are a minority group yet.

Edit: https://www.resetera.com/threads/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-official-reveal-trailer-ea-respawn-november-15-2019-ps4-xb1-pc-read-staff-post.111361/page-23#post-19814686

I'm with you, this is the biggest whinge fest since the BioWare forums debacle of 2013.

Side note: As a redhead Male, I'm feeling represented for once and all this 'generic white male' talk is really starting to grind my gears.

He's a VERY talented actor (so good in Gotham and Shameless), and the game looks great IMO.

[BisMarckie]

Seriously though KennyLoggins: Who is that guy?

I think I just did an image search for instagram thot.

[clothedmacuser]

there's a japanese restaurant below my workplace that has shit like 'miso happy' and other vaguely racist shit on it and it really grinds my gears but i have no idea if the owners are asian or not and other related shit and honestly i'm so tired. i'm tired by all of this. why

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-white-restaurateur-advertised-%E2%80%98clean%E2%80%99-chinese-food-chinese-americans-had-something-to-say-about-it.111207/post-19796859

It's soup
 

[BisMarckie]

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=46206.msg2607568#msg2607568

Shitpost appropriation.

[Don Rumata]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-official-reveal-trailer-ea-respawn-november-15-2019-ps4-xb1-pc-read-staff-post.111361/post-19814733
 

[agrajag]

why is making a food pun sooooooo sooooo racist? I'd love to hear their rationale.

I follow this food blogger on instagram named Miso Hungry, she is

 

[HaughtyFrank]

Exactly. Ironically, one of the actual heights of all of video game storytelling was Kotor facilitated by its create a character design.

Honestly, I probably never enjoyed Star Wars more than playing my own character submerged in the galaxy far far away.

I thought create a character would be damn near ubiquitous is games at this point, but unfortunately not

Even the none-Jedi Star Wars games were white dudes, right? I remember that scruffy white dude on those N64 games wasn’t a Jedi. The only poc main character in a SW game I can think of is Iden Versio in the Battlefront 2 single player campaign

Even before Katarn was a Jedi (Dark Forces), he was a main, and Shadows of the Empire had a white dude too.

How the fuck we're not in "create a character" phase with these games is crazy to me. And I think they need to decanonize the games if they're going to use that as an excuse.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-official-reveal-trailer-ea-respawn-november-15-2019-ps4-xb1-pc-read-staff-post.111361/post-19816174

Every game needs a character creator now

[Nintex]

EA shows 99% CG trailer for a game that launches in October.

Respawn I like but the wall is on the writing with this one is.

[Baiano19]

https://twitter.com/OfWudan/status/1116767056592904193

Too cool to watch Star Wars, but not to cool to spend all day on Twitter yelling at people about how cool you are.

99% of his tweets are about SW.

This just became my favorite troll account.

[paprikastaude]

Exactly. Ironically, one of the actual heights of all of video game storytelling was Kotor facilitated by its create a character design.

Honestly, I probably never enjoyed Star Wars more than playing my own character submerged in the galaxy far far away.

I thought create a character would be damn near ubiquitous is games at this point, but unfortunately not

Even the none-Jedi Star Wars games were white dudes, right? I remember that scruffy white dude on those N64 games wasn’t a Jedi. The only poc main character in a SW game I can think of is Iden Versio in the Battlefront 2 single player campaign

Even before Katarn was a Jedi (Dark Forces), he was a main, and Shadows of the Empire had a white dude too.

How the fuck we're not in "create a character" phase with these games is crazy to me. And I think they need to decanonize the games if they're going to use that as an excuse.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-official-reveal-trailer-ea-respawn-november-15-2019-ps4-xb1-pc-read-staff-post.111361/post-19816174

Every game needs a character creator now

[headwalk]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/star-wars-jedi-fallen-order-official-reveal-trailer-ea-respawn-november-15-2019-ps4-xb1-pc.111361/

I tried to be Benji and give you a summary of dumb shit, but it's a Saturday and I only waste company time

Summary is basically FUCKING WHITE MALE REEEE
 

a ginger lead is taking diversity one step too far if you as me.

i wonder if that game only exists because EA has thousands of man hours' worth of assets left over from hennig's failed game.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

why is making a food pun sooooooo sooooo racist? I'd love to hear their rationale.

I follow this food blogger on instagram named Miso Hungry, she is

 

I also follow a food twitter star named miso hungly.

[thisismyusername]

Seriously though KennyLoggins: Who is that guy?

I think I just did an image search for instagram thot.

So you're telling me you don't know who's booty I want to have on my face.

[agrajag]

we all know. It's PogiJones.

[thisismyusername]

we all know. It's PogiJones.

Besides him.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

itchy down

User Banned (1 Week): Rationalizing Islamophobic and racist attacks and false equivalencies over a series of posts

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trump-tweets-spliced-together-video-of-ilhan-omar-and-9-11.111240/page-27

So many protected people going down after sweet sweet sweet nikole left. It's like Gliding All Over up in there.

[Uncle]

I wonder who if anyone she was protecting 

Besides Swidge

And IfSleepoversCouldTalk

And whatever she came back as the third time

[HaughtyFrank]

As an add on, I don't care for this narrative being formed by some, especially by the people actually freaking out over opinions on design choice, that people who don't like the design are in hysterics/super upset. Reads highly as some coded language that women and minorities are unreasonable and volatile.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/yet-another-generic-white-dude-a-legitimate-discussion-on-criticism-regarding-character-design-diversity.111378/post-19819670

 

[joeboy101]

As an add on, I don't care for this narrative being formed by some, especially by the people actually freaking out over opinions on design choice, that people who don't like the design are in hysterics/super upset. Reads highly as some coded language that women and minorities are unreasonable and volatile.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/yet-another-generic-white-dude-a-legitimate-discussion-on-criticism-regarding-character-design-diversity.111378/post-19819670

 

You monster, how could you link to a post from that thread and not the Ah-MAZING op.

After much anticipation, the new Star Wars game is out, following closely on the heels of the latest Star Wars movie trailer, and we have now entered into the hellscape of Star Wars internet debates.

This latest incarnation is in the form of the reveal of the Jedi: Fallen Order's protagonist, Cal. Following the reveal, one of the common criticisms was that he was yet another white dude protagonist in a franchise that has seen their full share of white dudes as leading roles. The implication of this argument being that, with everything else being the same, Cal had been a black man or woman or some other kind of minority, he would have been more interesting.

I wish to explore if this holds up.

First, lets get the obvious out of the way:

THIS IS NOT REALLY ABOUT HOW WELL WRITTEN THE CHARACTER IS, BUT HOW INTERESTING HIS PREMISE: One common mischaracterization about these arguments, particularly among alt-right thinkgroups, is that traits of a characters ethnicity or gender are valued over actual quality writing. There is a discussion to be had there, and we will get to it momentarily, but one thing I wish to emphasize first and foremost is that the discussion is not about the quality of writing in Jedi: Fallen Order. We don't know how well written J:FO is because it's not out yet. All we actually know about it is that Cal is living in hiding and the story will be one where he has to come out of hiding and be a hero. That's not so much a story as it is an elevator pitch for a story. As such, we're not really judging how well written this is or even has the potential to be, we're judging it as what it truly is - a marketing pitch to us, the consumers.

As a result, we can split what this is actually about into 2 different question that seem similar, but are different


1. Is the premise of this particular story pitch more made more or less interesting depending on how the protagonist is designed in regards to their gender/ethnicity/other minority signifiers

2. Is the premise of this particular story pitch more made more or less important depending on how the protagonist is designed in regards to their gender/ethnicity/other minority signifiers


So lets begin with the story premise itself: Imagine if Obiwan had been a padawan when he went in hiding and lived amongst people instead of in the desert and when he came out of hiding, he was the hero of the story instead of the mentor of the hero. It is, from what the marketting tells us, a archtypical story where a person who feels they have to hide their identity will reveal their identity to potentially hostile forces, but (presumably) overcome this hostility and save the day. It's pretty standard stuff and provides perfectly fine opportunities for growth and drama.

So, to explore the first question: would a minority character is better served within this framework?

Well, if we were talking about an absolute vacuum where we, as the audience, have no history or connection with any minority catergory, then it's not unreasonable to say that perhaps there isn't. This is the "I don't see race" type of response where there are no greater implications from having a woman or PoC as the hero of a story. And I would agree that, in certain contexts, that can be a legitimate position to an extent. For example, in Star Wars, we're not sure that humans in the series even came from earth, so it's possible that humans in star wars are as alien as any other, they just happen to be identical to us, the audience, and it's made that way so that the story is relatable and understandable from an earth human perspective. It's not realistic, but it's clear why they'd use this as a narrative device. However, my point here is, as far as we know, black human beings were never enslaved in the Star Wars human homeworld, so we can have a black character whose depiction is, in theory, not affected by the generations of racism that have shaped the culture we live today. And I think that is good. Works like Black Panther that acknowledge and use racism in our history for it's narrative themes are good and important too, but it's also an escapist fantasy to have a universe where that horrid shit just didn't happen.

However, even if the star wars universe exists in a vacuum (in theory. In practice, I know it's more complicated), we, the real life people, do not, and when we create a window into the SW universe, our values still influence the story we see. Meaning, if Star Wars truly didn't see race, and our viewing of it was true to that, we should have an equal number of black protagonists as we do white. We don't. So, back to the premise of the story, we are shown that stormtroopers are authority figures who will kill the protagonist if given justification. The premise is fundamentally about oppression, which is a universal concept. Everyone has felt oppressed at some point and a white man can relate to living in a society where he is distrustful of authorities as well as anyone. However, no one could reasonably argue that the average black man will relate to that particular theme more viscerally than the average white man.

And if that's true, would it be more reasonable to have a black protagonist take this role than a white man? Because even though Black people in star wars have never been canonically oppressed, black people in the real world have, and therefore a black protagonist would be an arguably greater representation of that oppression. That said, just to be clear, I am writing this from the assumption that the audience is not racist or is atleast vaguely aware that racial bias exists and would account for it. Because, of course, a black protagonists oppression will not be relatable to someone who has difficulty viewing black people as relatable human beings at all compared to a white protagonists.

I also want to be clear that I used black people as a main example for how a minority protagonist could have more narrative power just so I could work with some specificity, but other representational groups are obviously valid too. In fact, I would argue the theme of hiding your true self, but then being 'transformed' in the eyes of society through the course of a story could be best represented by a gay or transgender protagonist, who (unlike black people) can hide the identity that society seeks to oppress more easily, but have to reveal their true selves in order to self actualize in the story.


The second question is: Would having a minority character in the premise of this be more important if it had a non-white guy protagonist.

So, the previous second was about whether it had an affect on the interesting aspects of the story, this is about whether that makes it important. I personally think the answer to this one is a resounding yes, but I feel it's worth acknowledging in it's own section just because we tend to get bogged down in sheer details of what makes a story more effective.

My point is this: The consensus that the reveal of Jedi: Fallen Order is somewhat underwhelming from the thread. It's not that people think it's bad, it's just that it doesn't show us too much of stuff we haven't seen before. As a consumer, this is okay. Assuming Respawn made a good game, things will get more interesting as they reveal gameplay and as we learn more story details than the barebones of a premise we got for now. But at the moment, it's "Okay, another star wars game, cool"

Now imagine the response if, even if everything else was the same, the game had been revealed staring a black protagonist. For one, a big portion of Era would have been more receptive to it while a good portion of the audience in...other places would have been significantly less. Why? Well, because black people and people who care about representation want to see black people in starring roles more and the people on the opposite end also feel representation is important and feel threatened by it. That's why there is always such a big response from them when minorities get roles, but a "Yeah, whatever" response when it's another white guy, because then the status quo isn't being threatened. No one ever celebrates more white guy representation, not even the alt right. They just hate it when it's otherwise.

It's tempting to criticize this approach because it seems like political agenda are being pushed over getting an actually good art from the game developers. I want to emphasize that the game would ultimately live and die by how good it was on release. We actually know this to be true by how people have had a lackluster reaction to Finn in the ST, since he was marketed as being the next Jedi protagonist before TFA awakens came out and it was revealed it was Rey. It's not that people going to give Finn a pass if they don't actually like him, but more people wanted to like him. That's because, in actuality, it's more about people expressing what they want out of their art. The anticipation and desire for J: FO to be good would be greater and people would be more excited for it. That would be good for both the developers, who want their games to sell and for the audience, who want to see art that reflects their values.

So that's my take on it. And apologies in advance to the moderation team.

 

Does Frank O'Connor have competition?

[zepblackstar]

writing all that shit for free on resetera is ridiculous

[Straight Edge]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-if-you-could-do-autofellatio.111421/

 

[Urinals]

I use to and it felt more like giving than receiving.

[Urinals]

The exertion you need to do in order to do it diminishes the pleasure. But hey, you still get to suck a dick so it all works out.

[EightBitNate]

I use to and it felt more like giving than receiving.

Does that mean people get double the pleasure?

[Urinals]

I use to and it felt more like giving than receiving.

Does that mean people get double the pleasure?

the pleasure does not stack, unfortunately

[Uncle]

As an add on, I don't care for this narrative being formed by some, especially by the people actually freaking out over opinions on design choice, that people who don't like the design are in hysterics/super upset. Reads highly as some coded language that women and minorities are unreasonable and volatile.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/yet-another-generic-white-dude-a-legitimate-discussion-on-criticism-regarding-character-design-diversity.111378/post-19819670

 

Where is the argument that the people who actually do seem to be in hysterics/super upset might be undercover in order to make it appear that women and minorities are unreasonable and volatile?

Also this is the worst ban fucking hell

User Banned (1 Week): Dismissing concerns surrounding diversity and inclusivity efforts

Who cares if it's white black, woman or man? It has to be SOME gender and skin color. It literally means nothing, devs should make what they want. Story and writing is what needs to be on point

[Urinals]

And I was going to post my photo in the realbore thread. RIP.   

[thisismyusername]

Damn you Kennyloggins! I've returned from the Danger Zone™ and found nothing, if only I had the instagram name.

[daemon]

The last Star Wars game had a latina (?) as main character

The current trilogy has a trio of protagonists composed by a white woman, latino and african american that had an asian woman as a brief affair.

OH GOD YET ANOTHER GENERIC WHITE DUDE ON STAR WARS!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[Urinals]

WHY ISN'T MY SPACE NAZI A POC?!?!

[Rahxephon91]

The New Order actually has been shown to have diversity of humans now too.

And yes the last Star Wars game had a female lead. She was brown...so yay?

[agrajag]

If they wanted real diversity in the Star Wars universe, they should be demanding a non-humanoid alien life form protagonist.

"Really Disney, another human main character? When are getting a getting a game starring those pigmen from Return of the Jedi?"

Diversity.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Captain Myspace Nazi Poc

Sounds kinda badass.

[Lonewulfeus]

And I was going to post my photo in the realbore thread. RIP.   

Post a pic of you sucking your own dick you coward!

[benjipwns]

This is what Star Wars is really about:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

they should have released A Star Wars instead of Solo

it could be this with left over CGI and kitbashes and like 15 minutes of explanatory dialogue filmed in front of a green screen by some well known actor talking to a CGI character:

i wonder if that game only exists because EA has thousands of man hours' worth of assets left over from hennig's failed game.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/yet-another-generic-white-dude-a-legitimate-discussion-on-criticism-regarding-character-design-diversity.111378/post-19819670

Why not a Middle Eastern? They use desert settings enough but

uhh

[clothedmacuser]

"Sand People"




 

[Tektonic]

https://twitter.com/OfWudan/status/1115939806293442561

[Bore Expert]

The exertion you need to do in order to do it diminishes the pleasure. But hey, you still get to suck a dick so it all works out.

Pretty sure that’s a direct quote from Resetera TOS

[Don Rumata]

If they wanted real diversity in the Star Wars universe, they should be demanding a non-humanoid alien life form protagonist.

"Really Disney, another human main character? When are getting a getting a game starring those pigmen from Return of the Jedi?"

Diversity.

I would unironically want this.
It'd be cool to play an alien, especially since you could give them special abilities just based on their alien nature (from breathing underwater, to shooting acid from their ass, or whatever).

[benjipwns]

It's called LEGO Star Wars and it pretty gud.

[benjipwns]

some new ban language in this star wars thread

User banned (5 days): ignoring mod-post + several posts across multiple threads implying other members are racist for caring about diversity

User banned (duration pending): hostility, attacking the community with insults and slurs, ignoring modpost, junior phase account

This is no doubt an embarassing thread. Why are you granted a free pass? I want you tards to message him that he looks "generic" on his twitter lol. It's easier to be a hypocrate on Era. Ya'll generic proponents can fuck off.

[mod edit: post reverted to its original state]
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User Banned (Duration Pending): Denying the existence of systemic prejudice; account still in junior phase

[benjipwns]

User Warned: Inappropriate commentary.

I decided to finally take a peek at the old site and see if there was a thread on this and I am genuinely sorry that I looked.


Evilore himself is defending Trump and people are cheering Trump on for this bullshit. Not only that there is some poor idiot there who is defending Omar, but they are being labeled a "Terrorist Apologist" for it. That place is a fucking cesspit.

they’re currently REEEEing about these posts lol. They’ll never admit to being Breitbart-lite as they’ve driven off pretty much all LGBT posters and other minorities. anti gay, anti trans, and anti Muslim posts are welcomed and even respected by Evilore.

[benjipwns]

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory generalisations; fearmongering.

Chinese dont care about rules. They are gonna be very dangerous in the future.

User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory Generalizations; Fearmongering

Yeah, when you don't care about ethics, you can go super far. Honestly, I wouldn't put it past them to secretly use humans for testing.

They are probably thinking Fuck it, they were gonna be executed anyways. Why not infect them with some super virus and see what happens?

[Momo]

threads implying other members are racist

This is bannable? :slavicthinking

[benjipwns]

hopefully they lock that soon, reaction threads aren't allowed on resetera.

correct:

OFFICIAL STAFF COMMUNICATION
This thread has been locked due to falling under the reactionary guidelines.

Reaction threads: In our experience, these lead to nothing but pages and pages of emotionally fueled hot-takes that mostly resemble spam rather than actual material of value.

[BIONIC]

The Chi-Coms took control of ree moderation I see 

[Momo]

your reaction depth can only be allowed to be two levels deep and only for off-site content.


thou shall not mine salt in our saltmine

[benjipwns]

please only post actual material of value

[Momo]

please only post while obeying the state speed limit for your lane

[BIONIC]

please only post actual material of value

99.9% of ree would be wiped in an instant if that got enforced

[benjipwns]

you guys are just fearmongering

[Momo]

booby roberts, please post

[benjipwns]

star wars: the reactionary guidelines

[Momo]

bobby wars: the treason of the old reeepublic

[Transhuman]

China's reputation when it comes to medical ethics is spotless