River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[benjipwns]

can't believe he left out the Big Incel money, to go with the Big Flat Earth and Big Brexit funds that Ubisoft relies on to keep their million man studios operating

[HaughtyFrank]

Ubisoft makes these Generalized-ass statements so they dont piss off their conservative and right leaning audience. they need that white nationalist/birther/flatearth/gamergate/brexit money

At least this post has come to terms with the complete and utter irrelevance of the ResetERA.com cohort within the consumer base of the industry.

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Why would any of those get mad about Ghost Recon? US Special forces invading Bolivia to exterminate drug cartels actually made people on the left more upset.

[benjipwns]

Their idea of "discussing" politics is "fuck people I hate" repeated until the sun burns out so no wonder they think there's some kind of discussion worth having regarding the political themes portrayed in any of Ubisoft's video games. That's the complexity of the politics within the games anyway.

[stufte]

Ubisoft makes these Generalized-ass statements so they dont piss off their conservative and right leaning audience. they need that white nationalist/birther/flatearth/gamergate/brexit money

At least this post has come to terms with the complete and utter irrelevance of the ResetERA.com cohort within the consumer base of the industry.

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Why would any of those get mad about Ghost Recon? US Special forces invading Bolivia to exterminate drug cartels actually made people on the left more upset.

The mayor of Juarez Mexico was really mad at the depiction of the city in the GRAW2.

[BisMarckie]

Thank goodness you weren’t involved with the development of the game.

[Bore Expert]

I reheated a chalupa in a toaster oven on toaster settings (flipped it halfway) and it's actually pretty good...

I reheated some gumbo atop an Xbox 360 on a cold November night on Bourbon street while thinking of you fellas  #lifehack

[benjipwns]

Even someone sitting down and seriously spending time to criticize the militarism portrayed in Tom Clancy branded products is like...

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

[stufte]

Thank goodness you weren’t involved with the development of the game.

 

[benjipwns]

Saints Row: The Third raises more interesting political themes than any Tom Clancy game.

[thisismyusername]

Thank goodness you weren’t involved with the development of the game.

 

[benjipwns]

Actually, it'd probably be more accurate to ascribe 2 as dealing with themes of police corruption, corporate dominance and gang warfare that renders the police ineffective to the point of a paramilitary conflict with the gang that has replaced the city's government. The Third adds the notions of the gang becoming celebrities, expanding into a new city and leading to open conflict with the federal government. (Which the gang wins at the start of IV leading to The Boss assuming the Presidency.)

Who cares about Ghost Recon or Ubisoft? Is that even on Switch at unplayable framerates?

[Nintex]

Who cares about Ghost Recon or Ubisoft? Is that even on Nintendo Switch with Gray Joy‑Con™ at more epic framerates?

fixed

[Boredfrom]

Ubisoft makes these Generalized-ass statements so they dont piss off their conservative and right leaning audience. they need that white nationalist/birther/flatearth/gamergate/brexit money

At least this post has come to terms with the complete and utter irrelevance of the ResetERA.com cohort within the consumer base of the industry.

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Why would any of those get mad about Ghost Recon? US Special forces invading Bolivia to exterminate drug cartels actually made people on the left more upset.

 

Is not exactly that simple...

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/game-of-thrones-fans-petition-for-hbo-to-remake-season-8-following-controversial-episode.117156/page-16#post-20846434

Ya'll who think this is embarrassing don't get it.

Not being happy with the show's ending and writing this doesn't mean you can't worry about more important stuff in life, and it doesn't mean people's lives are ruined. Everyone will be fine, we know. That petition is barely taking more time to sign than to complain about the petition in this thread. So, nonsense argument.

Yes it's just entertainment, and it's fine if you just view it as something fun you just watch, keep on enjoying it. But let's be honest, this show is a cultural phenomenon, everyone and their grandma watches it, people were speculation and theorising like crazy, it was amazing... for almost a decade, and then to have it all end as a fart in the wind, it kind of hurts and it's fine to feel that way.

D&D absolutely took a dump on their fanbase and this is a way for people to show they're not happy with it.

I don't think there is a chance in hell that we're going to get a remade S8, but maybe this will send a message to HBO that next time they should handle a situation like this differently. If show runners want to move on to something else, let them go and find new ones. It was a horrible mistake to keep D&D working on this.

[HaughtyFrank]

Ubisoft makes these Generalized-ass statements so they dont piss off their conservative and right leaning audience. they need that white nationalist/birther/flatearth/gamergate/brexit money

At least this post has come to terms with the complete and utter irrelevance of the ResetERA.com cohort within the consumer base of the industry.

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Why would any of those get mad about Ghost Recon? US Special forces invading Bolivia to exterminate drug cartels actually made people on the left more upset.

 

Is not exactly that simple...

What do you mean? I'm not saying that the us sending special forces into Bolivia would actually be a good idea, just that the politics in Tom Clancy games lean a lot more right than left.

[Transhuman]

Oh, never mind. Transhuman was banned lol.

What was the ban message?

You have been banned for the following reason: Please refrain from using insults and personal attacks to make your arguments. [254276485]. Your ban will be lifted on Jun 15, 2019 at 8:00 PM.

Would have posted earlier, just woke up

lmao Transhuman was banned for not being homophobic enough?

I suspect it was for calling someone bitch ass nicca

I thought they prided themselves on not being dainty little snowflakes? Guess not

[benjipwns]

I don’t think you’re wrong at all. But I don’t like the denial in the PR. Most companies don’t comment on what their games are specifically about and I don’t want them to. If Ubisoft never said anything about the political themes in their games this thread wouldn’t exist.

But I do think it’s detrimental to deny the nature of your content, especially at such length and with such consistency. I think it hurts the way people perceive your work and I think it hurts the discourse. I think it encourages people to ignore the reality of the games they’re playing. Claims of neutrality and objectivity makes an argument about what the “neutral” state of a conflict is.

BioShock Infinite is a good example of this. By portraying oppression and rebellion as equal in their faults, it effectively insists these ideologies worth equal consideration. The issue for me isn’t that Ubisoft isn’t more forward about what their games are about, it’s that they misrepresent their games as apolitical. Their representation of what apolitical means is, ironically, a political statement.

[Great Rumbler]

Most companies don’t comment on what their games are specifically about

[BisMarckie]

A month long ban just for calling someone the n-word? So much for the tolerant left.

I thought it was fine if you were a nerd yourself.

[BisMarckie]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/can-yall-do-the-asian-squat.117386/post-20848735

Would love it if someone got offended and read that post as comparing Asians to dogs and reported him

Cultural appropriation.

[nudemacusers]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/can-yall-do-the-asian-squat.117386/post-20848735

Would love it if someone got offended and read that post as comparing Asians to dogs and reported him

You are what you eat 

[D3RANG3D]

It's the slav squat tyvm.

[maninthemirror]

TIL era thinks cat fight is a misogynistic phrase . Wtf 

[nudemacusers]

TIL era thinks cat fight is a misogynistic phrase . Wtf

This is pretty on brand tbh

[Uncle]

Your favorite mod made another giant post about a very cereal topic

https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-response-to-the-ubisoft-philosophy-on-video-games-and-their-politics.117370/

Please block me in a doorway instead

Maybe I misunderstood you but I completely disagree with the idea that media can change how you see/think about things in real life.

You can disagree all you want. It's 100% provable fact, and there's so many essays and studies that corroborate that I'm not even sure where to start linking.

cool

now that we've established this, please mount a defense as to why video games don't promote real world aggression or violence and why they shouldn't be removed from store shelves IMMEDIATELY given those 100% provable facts you're citing

[benjipwns]

now that we've established this, please mount a defense as to why video games don't promote real world aggression or violence and why they shouldn't be removed from store shelves IMMEDIATELY given those 100% provable facts you're citing

They can't. There is no defense for perpetuating the toxic masculinity of Gamers that is the root cause of every problem our world faces.

ENJOY $10 OFF TODAY THROUGH NINTENDO SWITCH GAME VOUCHERS OR THE EPIC GAMES STORE MEGA SALE

[stufte]

Donald Voldemort Trump was birthed into existence in 2014 when the Gamergate cabal was given the keys to the illuminati time machine in the basement of a Miami Florida Denny's.

[Don Rumata]

I play and love most of Tom Clancy's Ubisoft games, both the old Red Storm ones, as well as the new looter-shooter ones.
How am i not an indoctrinated sleeper agent for the US Navy yet? One simple trick: I skip all cutscenes! 

Consider it my metaphorical tinfoil hat. 
If i hadn't? God help me... God help us all.

[Pepinappe]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-pet-peeves.117340/#post-20840291

Threads getting locked for vague reasons like "the staff doesn't believe productive discussion can be had" or "thread has run its course."

Finale Fireworker annihilated.

[benjipwns]

Complaining about yikes and oof is silly to me too, I feel like it mostly comes from people on the end of a lotta yikes and oofs haha, it probably would not be annoying to you if that was not the case.

he is killing it in this thread

[agrajag]

 

[benjipwns]

My largest pet peeve overall is the extreme insecurity of some members and faux communist messages I've received from people who object to me being a manager and occasionally offering career advice in certain threads. I can handle constructive criticism and dissenting opinions but most of the time I feel like I'm being made out to be someone who keeps the little guy down or something. It's just weird and always makes me feel personally attacked.

hope you enjoy the guillotine capitalist roader

[benjipwns]

Debate the content of the message. Post count can lead to false positives and is pretty much a lazy ad hominem.

The content of the message is constistently absurd. A false positive is the exception, not the rule.

[benjipwns]

Stop making threads based on articles created to manufacture outrage. Those FFVII Remake threads about Barret and Aerith annoy me because it's a thread that consists of a circlejerk between people who think the cherrypicked Tweets and whatnot are representative of a bigger group than they actually are.

This is actually dangerous and less a pet peeve.

Because there’s people out there who hate-watch ResetEra and by boosting those inconsequential tweets, you could essentially fuel the rhetoric that “SJW’s are complaining about thing” in certain circles.

Or if any gaming publication picks up the story for whatever reason (super irresponsible, and has actually happened before).

And with their twitter handle exposed, they’re going to receive hate. Or worse.

WOW IF TRUE

[benjipwns]

if anyone has any information on this hate-watch ResetERA.com thing, please let me know, also send me your home address, credit card numbers, Nintendo Switch Game Voucher codes and any other vital information you wish to protect from any of these potential ResetERA.com hate watchers

[Potato]

Can you imagine being that unemployed or otherwise disengaged from positive life activities that you have the time or energy to write a 3500 post on the political stance of fucking Ubisoft Tom Clancy games, for no fucking fee, while moderating, for no fucking pay,  a forum full of wannabe communist guillotining revolutionaries who don't even get out of their parents fucking basements?

[benjipwns]

OMG. It's not about the political stance of Ubisoft Tom Clancy games, you didn't even read the whole thing.

It's about how like, PR, is like, totally, like, gaslighting us, by like, focusing on the other parts of the games instead of, like, literally, the, like dualities of man and art.

[Potato]

I'll have you know that Finale Fireworker not only lives on his own but disowned his Trump supporting dad

So he lives in his own basement?

[benjipwns]

This isn't 2014 anymore, Finale Fireworker can't just go on living without spending time caring about things like the suggested plot of Tom Clancy games by PR statements or climate change or the resources wasted by letting threads reach their own end.

[benjipwns]

Looking at it again I like how not once in any of those 4000 words does he realize or comment on any actual aspect of why Ubisoft's PR people are talking about their games' politics: because games journalists stupidly ask them about it.

[benjipwns]

Also, that interview is more interesting for the parts he sliced out, especially how Polygon sets it up and etc., italics are what FF quotes:

Meanwhile, in the real world, some Americans are concerned that the current administration is becoming tyrannical in its own right. Some would say that the land of the free may even be drifting toward fascism. These were the thoughts on my mind when I sat down with Terry Spier, creative director for North Carolina-based Red Storm Entertainment which, along with Massive Entertainment, is helping bring The Division 2 to life.

The trailers and the gameplay reveals have, so far, told me that this is a game about a near-future Civil War. But it’s not a game about politics, Spier insisted. It’s a game about saving lives and bringing society back from the brink of destruction.



Charlie Hall (Polygon): It’s a very charged political climate in this country.

Terri Spier (Ubisoft): It certainly is.

Charlie Hall (Polygon): What does it mean for you personally to be making a game about the next civil war?

Terri Spier (Ubisoft): There’s a couple reasons why we chose DC, right? And I think it’s important to say the first reason was how do you top Manhattan? Manhattan was such an iconic city, is such an iconic city.

Charlie Hall (Polygon): Starting out right under DUMBO, right?

Terri Spier (Ubisoft): You know, we want to one up that. It’s the iconic seat of power, you heard [our team] say that. Everybody knows what DC is. Everyone’s seen the monuments, the Lincoln Memorial, you know, the Capital Building, all that stuff. So that was the driving choice behind why we picked DC. The message for The Division 2 is one more of unity, right? I think that’s what we’re going to drive home. And what you’ll see as you get more and more information about the game, is about the Division sort of being that last line of defense against the ultimate collapse. So the Division agents are going in and they’re unifying and they’re helping and they’re rebuilding. And that’s what I love about the Division. The message for The Division 2 is one more of unity, right? I think that’s what we’re going to drive home. And what you’ll see as you get more and more information about the game, is about the Division sort of being that last line of defense against the ultimate collapse. So the Division agents are going in and they’re unifying and they’re helping and they’re rebuilding. And that’s what I love about the Division.

Charlie Hall (Polygon): As it was described, they’re actually fighting against a corrupt government.

Terri Spier (Ubisoft): Rebuilding and helping the civilians move forward and move on. So, there’s tons of narrative bits in there.

Charlie Hall (Polygon): But you’ve got that red searchlight coming out of the Capital dome. The leadership has been decapitated. So the Division is the last remnants of the old government trying to push out the sitting government?

Terri Spier (Ubisoft): That’s an amazing assumption that you’re making, one that I’m not going to confirm or deny. I’m just going to say that you are a veteran agent who was activated before the time of The Division 2 and you got the SOS call. OK, you’re war torn. You’re tired. You’ve been doing Division stuff elsewhere and you arrive in DC to find what it is that you’re going to find. And you’re going to rebuild and make sure that DC does not collapse, SHaDe [Strategic Homeland Division] does not collapse and that the nation does not collapse. And so should it be clear, we’re definitely not making any political statements. Right? This is still a work of fiction, right? Our job —

Charlie Hall (Polygon): Wait a minute. It’s in DC.

Terri Spier (Ubisoft): Yes.

Charlie Hall (Polygon): Your central character here on the key art has an American flag bandana tied to their backpack.

Terri Spier (Ubisoft): That’s correct.

Charlie Hall (Polygon): This is not a political statement?

Terri Spier (Ubisoft): Absolutely not.

Charlie Hall (Polygon): Taking up arms against a corrupt government is not a political statement?

Terri Spier (Ubisoft): No. It’s not a political statement. No, we are absolutely here to explore a new city.

...

Charlie Hall (Polygon): What does that mean to you personally, you who live in and work in and lead your life in North Carolina, making a game about the next revolution? About civil war?

It's in D.C. (LOCATION OF POLITICS), there's an American flag (ALT-RIGHT DOG-WHISTLE), how can you claim such lies you Brexiter piece of shit? You already gaslit us once by not letting us kill Trump supporters in Far Cry 5, why should we believe your flat earther lies again?!?

lol the polygon comments are great too:

thedoorsdk
Agreed. The first Division was probably the most fascistic game I’ve ever played, so yeah…I’m not buying it.

axemtitanium
Coming from the publisher that put out Far Cry 5, are you surprised?

Brill
The Division makes a political statement- it embraces racist fascism wholeheartedly. Too many game journalists were willing to overlook that. Letting them repeat the lie that they’re not making a political statement isn’t actually much better.

adrianovaroli
A game with that kind of content at this particular moment in history is a political statement whether they want it or not. They could have owned it. Maybe say it’s futurism. Extrapolation. But no. "Have a mindless shoter that has a topical veneer. People just want to shoot stuff that looks pretty."

ArcturusOne
If they didn’t want to make a political statement, they should have picked different symbolism and a more fictionalized location instead of leaning in really hard on the authenticity of DC.

Also, FarCry 5 got rightly dragged for being toothless and refusing to make even the most basic of statements, compounded immensely by the goddamn endings. Like…. no one is buying the apoliticism of this. You’re either a coward or you’re refusing to cop to what your statements are.

And given some of the shit in the first Division game, it’s deffo the latter.

dsuber3
Ubisoft either needs to pick a damn side or not use this imagery in the first place.

adrianovaroli
If you mindlessly play shooters and become desensitized to the evils in the real world, and then go on to have an empty life, I’d say you’re part of the problem. Otherwise, maybe not.

Atron45
I’m not sure where this outrage was during the first Division. In fact, it was one of Charlie’s most anticipated game of 2015. Gies made not mention of the story being too facist or too problematic in his review. A quick look at some of the commenters in this thread, it appears as though they somewhat enjoyed the game too. Most of the polygon staff who wrote about The Division, including Charlie, understood that this was based on the "what if" scenario of "Directive 51."

This whole interview and article is just weird to me. Charlie was stoked for the Division and played quite a bit of it. So why come at Spier with that line of questioning? Why isn’t Charlie approaching this game with the same enthusiasm? We could already speculate on where the next story was going to take us, so why is Charlie acting like they purposely picked DC, as if to dance around the current political climate?

Ultimately, I’m not sure Charlie even knows what he wants. What could possibly be the expectation of picking a side? The final boss battle is Trump himself and you get to shoot him? I just don’t know what Charlie could think the outcome would be.

[remy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-pet-peeves.117340/#post-20840291

how are people not just posting redmercury

[NegativeCrepe]

they only keep that giant dad around to laugh at, nobody likes him

just like marrec

[benjipwns]

When are the mods going to lock that Pet Peeves thread so they can deal with the number of reports and properly action the offenders? This, and Durante's hate mob incitement, is why we need SweetNicole back in power.

[BIONIC]

When are the mods going to lock that Pet Peeves thread so they can deal with the number of reports and properly action the offenders? This, and Durante's hate mob incitement, is why we need SweetNicole back in power.

The Confederacy will rise again

[benjipwns]

It just feels like when Evilore copied the Incel Joker film, defied besada's wishes in favor of Ed Boon's, and raped and murdered that girl before announcing that Trump now unofficially owned NeoGAF.com forcing the centrist refugees and small handful of actual progressives into the wilderness of the internet unprotected.

Maybe if RedMercury was made a mod, we could have a forum to feel safe on again. And we'd always know that Sabrina is okay.

[Uncle]

do you think SweetNicole has begged yet to be let back into the mod circle and they're all like LOL NOOOOPE

[benjipwns]

They'll be begging her back when they see the unmoderated chaos and carnage that the place has become without a community manager. Nobody is even reading the staff post in every Epic Games thread anymore. It took 140 posts before the moderators got it into the sales thread!

[Joe Molotov]

The real question that needs to be asked is when’s Tom Clancy gonna get off his ass and make Rainbow 7?

[benjipwns]

wow spoilers joe, we don't know if all six of the rainbows survive yet

[benjipwns]

plus it'd probably turn out like Justice League where they were all #UniteTheSeven but then there's only six of them because we don't get the Snyder Cut with all seven

[benjipwns]

are you the one who whined at him?

[Lonewulfeus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-pet-peeves.117340/#post-20840291

how are people not just posting redmercury

Eightbitnate would have 

[benjipwns]

this dude wrote his own thousand plus word response to Finale Fireworker: https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-response-to-the-ubisoft-philosophy-on-video-games-and-their-politics.117370/post-20852664

It's a little hard to find an area to respond to directly because of how thorough you've been, and I don't see anything that I really substantially disagree with. Additionally, I'm rather apathetic to Ubisoft in particular for whatever reason and I can't really cling to them as a specific example, although I think I've aware enough of their products and how they're marketed to understand your points. But it invokes a few tangential thoughts I've had over the years.

[Tripon]

they only keep that giant dad around to laugh at, nobody likes him

just like marrec

Eh, Marrec can sometimes make a coherent argument without trying to burn out the report button. Also, Marrec eats his bans like a man. Red Mercury so protected I don't think he ever had a public ban even after he told another poster to commit suicide.

[Lonewulfeus]

they only keep that giant dad around to laugh at, nobody likes him

just like marrec

It’s funny because we even have proof that no one likes him. Exhibit A; moblin is clearly a troll account to group merc with huellen.  Notably this was reds only mention in 6 pages.  It must have been a dark night in the mercury family basement that evening.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-member-of-the-year-2018.90571/

my three queens regnant [USER=837]woman[/USER] [USER=36769]RedMercury[/USER] and [USER=5663]Redhead On Moped[/USER]

also anyone else contributing to keeping this forum lighthearted and down for a good time, haha!

Additionally, I found this wonderful quote from the vanished man himself Enzom21, a white man cosplaying as a black man and later abandon said account when he was discovered, almost like one would do to a burner 

All of the burner accounts that were endless sources of amusement for the sheer stupidity they posted.
Imagine the kind of loser who would create a burner account just to troll this place. Keep up the good work, morons.

 

[remy]

Had enough Pogi?

[PogiJones]

Getting there.

[PogiJones]

Annoyed that I hyphenated "call-outs" the first time but not the second time. But I don't want an "Edited" tag on that post.