River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[BisMarckie]

If I see a Spaniard, an Italian, a Swede and someone from Serbia sitting at a table, all I see is 4 gamergaters.

[benjipwns]

for you lager:

Polish devs so we can only hope theres someone over there instructing how to make an inclusive game for western audiences

I know reports on Poland show its well behind when it comes to tolerance and respect of other cultures and races (very anti-muslim, low opinion on non-whites, concerning attitudes towards women), but i was hoping CDProject to be an example of progress and that would show though thier games. This is very very disappointing.

Poland is like 99% white, and has a far right government in power. None of this is surprising. I expect more to come.

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Sorry thats just 4 white people

What is this serbian u speak of

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for you lager:

Polish devs so we can only hope theres someone over there instructing how to make an inclusive game for western audiences

I know reports on Poland show its well behind when it comes to tolerance and respect of other cultures and races (very anti-muslim, low opinion on non-whites, concerning attitudes towards women), but i was hoping CDProject to be an example of progress and that would show though thier games. This is very very disappointing.

Poland died for this ffs

[BisMarckie]

If the only way they could find to represent a trans woman was through a hyper sexualized and fetishized image clearly inspired by that very specific hentai subgenre, god help us with the racial stereotypes or the portrayal of other queer people.

LITH 👏 ROMANTIC 👏 REPRESENTATION 👏 NOW 👏 👏

[Ghoul]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/rps-cyberpunk-2077s-e3-demo-has-weak-gunplay-and-unimaginative-stereotypes.122727/page-4#post-21790162

I would say though that people should try to understand the reasons why Poland isn't particularly progressive, I feel it's a bit unfair to compare them to Germany or the UK considering their history.

They'll get there they just need time

I have been banned for generalizations smaller than this.



considering their history.

[benjipwns]

As long as its not on the verge of racism, sexism, etc and doesn't cause harm, of course.

It's clearly already way past that point though. That's the problem.

the queen

[Ghoul]

I hope CDPR really double down on this and just start throwing around slurs like taco really get them pissed off.

[benjipwns]

Bet you wont see a Polish character or any other white character speaking their slang version of English getting mocked in the game.

[benjipwns]

So, apart from having a grumble on here about this, what's the plan to get them to change things like this in a patch or future game, going forward?

DOWNPLAYING DRIVE-BY SENSITIVE GENERALIZATION

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I hope these are all trolls

[BIONIC]

I just hope Sabrina is okay during these trying times 

[BisMarckie]

Bet you wont see a Polish character or any other white character speaking their slang version of English getting mocked in the game.

Fake slavic accents have been a staple in the entertainment industry thank you very much.

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Bet you wont see a Polish character or any other white character speaking their slang version of English getting mocked in the game.

Why would polacks speak in slang?

Imagine if I said blacks speak in slang...


Oof

[benjipwns]

It's hard to be progressive and empathetic to other cultures when your country is so homogenized. Visiting Poland with a black friend of mine was eye opening.

why would you visit Poland with anyone?

[BisMarckie]

Polish devs so we can only hope theres someone over there instructing how to make an inclusive game for western audiences

Is this American imperialism?

[El Babua]

Polacks do love their stereotypes

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CDPR probably got gaijin ass American writers for the game

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[benjipwns]

Transphobic/racist dev makes tone deaf jokes in their new game, consider me shocked.

It’s ok to be wrong sometimes, admit it and then learn from it, sadly that’s something CDPR quite clearly is incapable of doing.

As good as this game turns out to be (it doesn’t even seem to be that good anyway) I am never spending money to support a dev with such a distorted view of society. It’s just disgusting really.

At this point, it looks like CDPR is actively trying to show they're biggots.

I wouldn't be surprised if they start sending child porn around like THQNordic at this point. A company also from a 99% white country.

[benjipwns]

this post is even dumber:

Well they've never made shooters OR first person games. Even if some of the staff is new or from Remedy etc.
As an example Respawn Entertainment didn't nail down their mechanics in Medal of Honor yet, took awhile and some games to get it right for COD4 and now finally we have Apex Legends.

there's like one guy at Respawn who worked at 2015 on MoH:AA lol

[BisMarckie]

this post is even dumber:

Well they've never made shooters OR first person games. Even if some of the staff is new or from Remedy etc.
As an example Respawn Entertainment didn't nail down their mechanics in Medal of Honor yet, took awhile and some games to get it right for COD4 and now finally we have Apex Legends.

there's like one guy at Respawn who worked at 2015 on MoH:AA lol

Maybe he was the shooting mechanics guy?

[benjipwns]

Polacks do love their stereotypes

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CDPR probably got gaijin ass American writers for the game

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they did, this is the writer:

[Ghoul]

Respawn worked on Medal Of Honor??

wait tf

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It's hard to be progressive and empathetic to other cultures when your country is so homogenized. Visiting Poland with a black friend of mine was eye opening.

why would you visit Poland with anyone?

The key takeaway is that ree wants Polish devs to understand where they are coming from but refuse to try to understand where polacks are coming from.

Its quite obscene

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Is it still ethical to watch any Keanu Reeves movies now that he outed himself as transphobic and racist by aligning himself with white supremacist from Poland?

[BIONIC]

Polacks do love their stereotypes

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CDPR probably got gaijin ass American writers for the game

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they did, this is the writer:
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He should be deprogrammed me thinks.

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Guys is it still ok to play PC games on a Windows system now that Microsoft is in cahoots with bigots?

[benjipwns]

wow more people are still with Respawn than I thought

Vince Zampella, Earl Hammon Jr., Brad Allen, Paul Messerly, Todd Alderman, and Preston Glenn all worked on both Allied Assault and APEX Legends.

34 people worked on all three MW, MW2 and APEX.

[benjipwns]

They really have a dream game here and they're gonna potentially fuck it all up because perhaps they can't write for shit outside the world of the witcher.

All this shit is stupid stuff you'd expect from maybe the 360/ps3 era but we're way past that now. It's almost inexcusable in 2020 to have such trite laziness for a triple A title

Surprise surprise!

Can’t believe i went from being excited about this crap to despising it. This shit will push the alt-right agenda while everyone dismisses it because “oh, so original, it’s new!”.

Can’t wait for more stereotypes about minorities!

CDPR has a history of transphobic nonsense and their seemingly only trans representation in his game is a feshistic “Big Dick Girl” from the poster.

This sucks of them. Makes me want to avoid the game as they have a pattern of this kind of stuff. Played through 3 Witcher games and didn’t see one person that looks like me(black).

The “they’re polish and out of touch” defense doesn’t work anymore, they have fans from all over and they should learn to respect us all.

I’m not surprised either but posters here give this company a pass each time a problematic issue comes up.

Bigotry sticks together I suppose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So CDPR is bad at 3rd person combat and 1st person shooting with stereotyping to boot. Disappointing, this was my most anticipated game ever. Basically my dream game

lol at how fast this is all being DECIDED and will be repeated forever now

[BisMarckie]

Ms.Galaxy can‘t catch a break.

[benjipwns]

I heard that CDPR actually crunched fifteen developers of color to death and when the police came they went "Is Poland what can we do?" and laughed then they all watched Ms.Galaxy's video together.

[benjipwns]

Also they did the PC port of Saints Row 2 which is a highly problematic port of a highly problematic series. It made that one game journalist too embarrassed to keep playing.

[benjipwns]

This is another important thing to note, this developers bigotry is just going to give fuel to the alt-right and make them feel empowered. Is that the kind of message the gaming community wants developers to project? I don’t give a shit if this doesn’t affect you because you’re not trans or queer, it will eventually affect all of us when the alt-right becomes a bigger presence in games because people let things like this pass.

[BisMarckie]

I heard that CDPR actually crunched fifteen developers of color to death and when the police came they went "Is Poland what can we do?" and laughed then they all watched Ms.Galaxy's video together.

I also heard they provide Ed Boon with fresh murder victims pretty much daily.

[BisMarckie]

I heard that the employees of CDPR make an unlivable wage which makes it impossible for their developers to live in progressive beacons of society like San Francisco, and forces them to live in a alt right hellhole like Cracow or Warsaw.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Era: the absolute worst thing is bigoted stereotypes of groups and intolerance towards other cultures
Also Era: but what do you expect from these stupid backwards polacks?

Productivity Commisar FetishFriendFinder:

[benjipwns]

I heard that CDPR did all the 2016 election hacking for their beloved leader Putin.

[Mr Gilhaney]

sorry borys

[BisMarckie]

FinaleFireworker was caught spraying this on the CDPR embassy.

[Ghoul]

here I thought nonces only liked sexy kids.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/its-pride-month-how-did-e3-do-on-lgbt-representation.122715/

Now that E3 is seemingly over, we can talk about the stuff that was announced. Since I don't own a console I didn't watch many trailers so I'll need you guys to fill me in - how did E3 do on LGBT+ representation both at the event and in the announcements, especially since it's Pride Month?

[ZombieSupaStar]

Ok RE what new thing should I be freaking out over today?

[VomKriege]

That about does it. No hype from me anymore.

[benjipwns]

WE BACK:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/this-fetishized-in-game-ad-from-cyberpunk-2077-raises-some-questions-about-how-the-game-may-depict-lgbt-nsfw-see-staff-post-before-posting.122649/post-21790559

OFFICIAL STAFF COMMUNICATION
This thread is now open, please accept our apologies for any delays.

The majority of this thread has gone quite well, but given the way some members have responded to these discussions lately, we wanted to lay out some expectations here.

Mainstream culture is shared by everyone, including marginalized and minority groups. Because this culture is shared between people with many different identities and backgrounds, people may have unique observations, thoughts, or concerns about what they see and consume. Our relationship to culture is personal and these points of view should be treated with dignity and respect.

Furthermore, it is important to understand that simply observing and discussing culture is not necessarily an attack or a call to action. Don't ascribe notions of outrage or fury to people just starting a conversation about something that occurs to them. Surely even those who are most concerned about the imagery would favor an outcome that lays their concerns to rest.

The motivation behind this image, its creation, and its intention are currently not clear. The fetishization of LGBT is something the community has always contended with and having a conversation about when and how it manifests is perfectly reasonable. Let's keep this thread on track and stay respectful and thoughtful to one another.

[BisMarckie]

I am so hungry right now...

KIELBASA
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PIEROGI!
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[benjipwns]

I should also note it's still fucked up to just have a raging hard-on for no reason in the poster. It's just...

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

just starting a conversation, bro

[benjipwns]

This is a company that is more than aware of its and the wider groups past issues with the LGBTQ+ community. In that knowledge they could have easily had a running development blog deep-dive into "Gender in Cyberpunk 2077" to go over the nuances of how they're handling it in light of past failures. Or a Youtube promo about it. Anything really.

They haven't though. Instead, all we have is this shitty in-game ad and zero reason to give them the benefit of the doubt over it.

[benjipwns]

I’m tired of the bigotry and nonsense during pride month.

[BisMarckie]

WE BACK:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/this-fetishized-in-game-ad-from-cyberpunk-2077-raises-some-questions-about-how-the-game-may-depict-lgbt-nsfw-see-staff-post-before-posting.122649/post-21790559

OFFICIAL STAFF COMMUNICATION


Mainstream culture is shared by everyone, including marginalized and minority groups. Because this culture is shared between people with many different identities and backgrounds, people may have unique observations, thoughts, or concerns about what they see and consume. Our relationship to culture is personal and these points of view should be treated with dignity and respect.

No POLACKS though

[Anti-Monitor]

My brain fucking hurts every time I read more than four REE posts on race or sexuality, I swear. It's painful. Everything is wrong, always, everything escalates to the point everything is nazism, not representation is the same thing as an attack, negative representation is the same as condonation, everything must be sanitized, everything must conform to America's standards of everything.

I don't know how you guys can read so much of that shit and not get an aneurysm.

[VomKriege]

I’m not surprised either but posters here give this company a pass each time a problematic issue comes up.

Bigotry sticks together I suppose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ghoul]

This thread is going great, keep up that energy you bunch of game changers.

I wonder if Atlus are having a party now the target on their back has moved to another company.

[benjipwns]

It's almost like CDPR doesn't get the Cyberpunk genre beyond COOL FUTURE GUNS

[BisMarckie]

I’m tired of the bigotry and nonsense during pride month.

I like that gaf and gaf2 are so insular that they think this is something even 1% of people are aware of.

[benjipwns]

My brain fucking hurts every time I read more than four REE posts on race or sexuality, I swear. It's painful. Everything is wrong, always, everything escalates to the point everything is nazism, not representation is the same thing as an attack, negative representation is the same as condonation, everything must be sanitized, everything must conform to America's standards of everything.

I don't know how you guys can read so much of that shit and not get an aneurysm.

THIS IS HOW THE NAZIS WIN

[VomKriege]

RE : at least our dystopia will be sanitized and safe.

[benjipwns]

I've read enough. This site is no longer a place I want to be. I've read for a long time, joined and briefly discussed, but you guys on here are worse than the people your fighting against. You put up these honey pot threads based on political agendas and then when anyone comes in and has anything that you percieve as a different view other than yours then it's full attack mode and then ban mode.

If I truly dont see an issue with this then that needs to be something you must handle and understand.

This is the future. If the author has depicted advertisements to be of this nature then that's the world you must accept.

Reactions from the group "represented" in the poster have been (from my exposure) almost entirely negative, and the poster seems to frame its own audience as being outside of that group. The "joke" of the poster basically boils down to that a class of people existing. Getting a little more granular about it, the concept implies the identity involved is just an arbitrary choice, which is a key misunderstanding of trans identity, more generally. It's probably worth thinking about a few of these aspects of it.

A lot of people will have a lot of different takes on this, so I'd say check out (and take part in) the discussion.

Thank you for this response. This is a response I can respect. I understand to some of you on here that this ad is disrespectful to you. It absolutely is not to me. Not one bit. You must understand that I do not see a single issue, but that doesn't give you the right to answer aggressively or label me as some insensitive bigot.
Thank you for allowing me to see a different perspective rather than telling pointing or labeling.

holy shit this fucking nazi with... 102 posts

edit: lol

I've read enough. This site is no longer a place I want to be.

Ok 100 posts man

Ok 100 posts man

Yeah seriously, dude should just go back to GAF.

edit2:

User Banned (permanent): dismissing concerns surrounding bigotry across a series of posts, account still in junior phase

[benjipwns]

As things stand for CDPR red tho, they should have avoided it. This almost feels like intentional trolling...

and of the largest independent video game forum on the internet, ResetERA.com, at that!

[Ghoul]

if you look at the offending poster

It's an advert, so of course it's 100% OTT and sexy as it's a poster to sell a product and sex sells.

Let the girl with a PHAT COCK be who she wants you bunch of small dick energy hacks.

[benjipwns]

lol at how fast this is all being DECIDED and will be repeated forever now

THAT SAID, is hard to give CDPR the benefit of the doubt after all that has transpired with them lately, not to mention the reports of the game having unimaginative stereotypes.

it's true! it's true! I saw it in the other thread!