Author Topic: Is there not a Chernobyl thread? Why is there not a Chernobyl thread? (Read 5491 times)

I'm a Puppy! · « **on:** May 28, 2019, 01:27:59 PM »

This show, man. This show.

Nintex · « **Reply #1 on:** May 28, 2019, 01:30:17 PM »

This was me during all of Episode 3

Brehvolution · « **Reply #2 on:** May 28, 2019, 01:34:12 PM »

Apparently they cut out the more gruesome parts for reasons. I want to see more melting flesh.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #3 on:** May 28, 2019, 01:34:29 PM »

Cuz we already have a bad vibes thread

Brehvolution · « **Reply #4 on:** May 28, 2019, 01:58:21 PM »

Momo · « **Reply #5 on:** May 28, 2019, 02:02:31 PM »

I like this show so don't get me wrong here,but I don't think it's going to get too many viewers and it will be something only TV nerds talk about, aka the leftovers.

There's like 3 or 4 shows coming up more tuned to general audiences and it's going to pull way more attention.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #6 on:** May 28, 2019, 02:11:24 PM »

That rooftop scene was amazing.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #7 on:** May 28, 2019, 02:36:09 PM »

Buy a German robot using propaganda numbers, brehs.

I'm a Puppy! · « **Reply #8 on:** May 28, 2019, 02:53:33 PM »

You know what i find so interesting as someone who has to deal with crisis management from time to time?

1) This is totally endemic of ANY large system. What happened there was uniquely Soviet because of the pervasiveness of the "State" but really this unwillingness to tell the truth, and immediately place blame can totally be seen in any large capitalist corporation. It's just 10x worse there because the state is everywhere controlling everything.

2) But while the problem was uniquely soviet, really only the soviets could have fixed it. I mean when they said "We need all the liquid nitrogen....in the country" I mean leadership was like "Of course". But in America? No way. We can't even fix Flint, MI. Imagine a disaster like this occurring now in this America? No way. It would never get fixed. We'd all be fucked. Everyone would want their pay, their share of whatever was going on.

I find it interesting in that the massive communist aparatus was both the cause of and solution to the problem.

Uncle · « **Reply #9 on:** May 28, 2019, 02:56:17 PM »

Quote from: Momo on May 28, 2019, 02:02:31 PM

I like this show so don't get me wrong here,but I don't think it's going to get too many viewers and it will be something only TV nerds talk about, aka the leftovers.

There's like 3 or 4 shows coming up more tuned to general audiences and it's going to pull way more attention.

I want to hear Mike and Jay's take

brawndolicious · « **Reply #10 on:** May 28, 2019, 03:48:30 PM »

The part where they go down and see all the miners working with just a hat on was actually powerful. It's just a flip of the switch for people to go from believing the propoganda to nonchalantly showing their distrust of any "safety" measures the authorities tell them to follow since they believe they're dead anyways.

Nintex · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2019, 06:59:07 AM »

Watched EP 4.

HBO did a lot of television firsts but I never thought I'd see

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Mass animal slaughter

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Again a very powerful episode.

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The face Shcherbina makes when he realizes that Legasov has come to terms with the fact that they have to sacrifice "Biorobots"

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Seems like the series creator finally found what he's good at

Uncle · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2019, 07:35:26 AM »

A long career of experience in human misery

T-Short · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2019, 03:34:25 PM »

Yep, huge fan here. The accident happened when I was six years old and as I grew up in northern Sweden which got hit by a lot of ¹³⁷Cs fallout from those first days of uncontained core fire, I kept hearing about the implications of the accident through the news for several years. This is the biggest reason why I've always been interested in nuclear engineering in general and Chernobyl in particular.

There's a lot of "fanservice" in the show if you're a nerd like me, like the Bridge Of Death and Red Forest scenes in episode 1 and the perfect reconstruction of the helicopter crash in episode 2.

Nintex · « **Reply #14 on:** May 30, 2019, 05:33:59 PM »

What is most shocking is that this show is 'grim' but reality was even more fucked up. Basically every article that compares the events of the show with what actually happened starts with that premise.

The "Joker" really existed and now lies on a radiated scrap heap.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #15 on:** May 31, 2019, 01:05:08 PM »

https://twitter.com/chuckwoolery/status/1133499581944205312

Another nod to the 'No one owns the cons harder than they own themselves' thread. Lots of good replies.

I'm a Puppy! · « **Reply #16 on:** May 31, 2019, 06:09:34 PM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on May 31, 2019, 01:05:08 PM

https://twitter.com/chuckwoolery/status/1133499581944205312

Another nod to the 'No one owns the cons harder than they own themselves' thread. Lots of good replies.

True, but you're lying to yourself if you think that America could have solved it the way the soviets did. Nope. The black sea would have been poisoned, that's IF they managed to avoid the thermal denotation..

nudemacusers · « **Reply #17 on:** May 31, 2019, 06:22:25 PM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on May 31, 2019, 01:05:08 PM

https://twitter.com/chuckwoolery/status/1133499581944205312

Another nod to the 'No one owns the cons harder than they own themselves' thread. Lots of good replies.

Need to see other chuck woolery twitter takes tbh.

Nintex · « **Reply #18 on:** May 31, 2019, 06:39:07 PM »

The thing is that only the Soviet Union could've solved it the way they did. They dedicated all their resources to it.

"We need all the liquid nitrogen"

"We need 750 000 men"

It would be hard to do in this day and age

bonus: your worst nightmare!

Journo: "Mr. President any comments on the meltdown at the nuclear power plant?"

Trump: "WAT"

CNN: "Will you fire Rick Perry sir?"

Trump: "Rick is doing a fantastic job. You're all fake news. There was a little spill a little leak, people are acting like this is the end of the world it's a disgrace"

Journo: "Mr. President some people say an area with a 100 mile radius could be contaminated with radiation and drinking water in the area has been affected as well"

Trump: "Radiaton that's energy right. It's all high energy, I like energy. We need energy. My uncle he was in nuclear, he was big on nuclear I probably know more about nuclear than anyone else"

*waves hands*

"Look, you take [...] you take a bit of soap and you take a cloth and you clean it, it is that simple but in this case the soap is something else and you actually need a lot. I said, wow that much and what's that going to cost. Your head will spin if you hear the number believe me but we're doing it"

"There's this thing called lead. You know lead, it's pretty great actually. It shields, it's like a shield a big wonderful shield. Protects you from the bad stuff. I said to Abe the other day, I said why didn't you build Hiroshima from lead. Imagine that, we would've probably lost that one if they had done that"

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Great Rumbler · « **Reply #19 on:** May 31, 2019, 07:15:48 PM »

Likely the main concern if something like that happened today in America would be the cost [and whether any important constituents are impacted]. Whereas it seems the primary concern in the Soviet Union was protecting their reputation, first by lying about the problem and then by throwing their full resources behind fixing the problem once they could no longer deny it.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #20 on:** June 03, 2019, 01:37:17 PM »

Behold, the great eye.

Tasty · « **Reply #21 on:** June 03, 2019, 02:06:02 PM »

Toss-up between that and crossing the event horizon inducing the highest amount of cosmic nihilistic terror possible.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #22 on:** June 03, 2019, 02:23:25 PM »

Though certainly not on the level of Chernobyl, I've always found the Demon Core to be a fascinating story:

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #23 on:** June 03, 2019, 02:52:00 PM »

Let's do some nuclear testing! What tools do we need? I dunno, just poke it with a screwdriver.

agrajag · « **Reply #24 on:** June 03, 2019, 04:23:48 PM »

Just caught up on this. Incredible production, and very moving. I have to give them a lot of props about getting lots of tiny details about the Soviet life right.

team filler · « **Reply #25 on:** June 03, 2019, 04:51:25 PM »

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1135565975078748160

Vizzys · « **Reply #26 on:** June 03, 2019, 05:29:55 PM »

Quote from: filler on June 03, 2019, 04:51:25 PM

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1135565975078748160

Good bait

the show is already slightly woke though

wheras the two male main characters are based on real people, the other main character Ulana never existed.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #27 on:** June 03, 2019, 05:33:03 PM »

Quote from: filler on June 03, 2019, 04:51:25 PM

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1135565975078748160

"7 dumbasses on twitter said something stupid, let's make an article about it and make it a story"

agrajag · « **Reply #28 on:** June 03, 2019, 05:37:01 PM »

yeah, and they took away some of the credit for things Legasov did to give it to her. The director explained it by saying that the female protagonist is an amalgamation of the dozens of other scientists tasked with the crisis management, but I am not sure I really buy it. Maybe that's HBO trying to appease people still salty from Khalesee being a Dragon Hitler.

agrajag · « **Reply #29 on:** June 03, 2019, 05:38:29 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2019, 05:33:03 PM

Quote from: filler on June 03, 2019, 04:51:25 PM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1135565975078748160

"7 dumbasses on twitter said something stupid, let's make an article about it and make it a story"

more like RT likes to troll and pit americans against each other over stupid shit

Boredfrom · « **Reply #30 on:** June 03, 2019, 05:55:23 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 03, 2019, 05:37:01 PM

yeah, and they took away some of the credit for things Legasov did to give it to her. The director explained it by saying that the female protagonist is an amalgamation of the dozens of other scientists tasked with the crisis management, but I am not sure I really buy it. Maybe that's HBO trying to appease people still salty from Khalesee being a Dragon Hitler.

Pretty sure this series was filmed way before GoT S8 shitstorm extravaganza.

Quote from: agrajag on June 03, 2019, 05:38:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2019, 05:33:03 PM
Quote from: filler on June 03, 2019, 04:51:25 PM
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1135565975078748160

"7 dumbasses on twitter said something stupid, let's make an article about it and make it a story"

more like RT likes to troll and pit americans against each other over stupid shit

Just like the elections.

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There is still remnants of Soviet Russia nuclear program working for the government.

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Tasty · « **Reply #31 on:** June 04, 2019, 10:50:49 AM »

Overall: B+

- Nailed the right things, amazing direction
- Amazing acting, Jared Harris is phenomenal and I love Stellan Skarsgard in everything
- Emily Watson's character strains the credulity to its breaking point, but the mountains of Chernobyl info in my brain may be biasing me

agrajag · « **Reply #32 on:** June 04, 2019, 10:57:06 AM »

yeah that's my biggest problem with it as well.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #33 on:** June 04, 2019, 11:05:16 AM »

Well, it's HBO and somebody had to nekkid.

agrajag · « **Reply #34 on:** June 04, 2019, 11:13:00 AM »

the only nekkid on this show is a bunch of burly coal miners

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #35 on:** June 04, 2019, 11:22:20 AM »

agrajag · « **Reply #36 on:** June 04, 2019, 11:36:43 AM »

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they have small weewees

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I'm a Puppy! · « **Reply #37 on:** June 04, 2019, 05:07:02 PM »

team filler · « **Reply #38 on:** June 04, 2019, 05:42:12 PM »

jorma · « **Reply #39 on:** June 05, 2019, 07:27:53 AM »

i just realised this guy is directing:

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #40 on:** June 05, 2019, 08:24:45 AM »

Ill watch this show one day but I can remember the disaster itself as me and all my friends in warsaw had to get buzz cuts so the nuclear dust wouldnt settle in our hair as the cloud was heading towards us

Some cool pics from that time where all the kids have super short hair, look like effin aushwitz survivors

Quote from: filler on June 04, 2019, 05:42:12 PM

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Send a distinguished black fellow to pull the trigger

Typical

Akala · « **Reply #41 on:** June 05, 2019, 09:52:17 AM »

Show was great I thought, although agree adding in a fictional character pulls it into the dramatization category and softens the edges a bit more than it should have.

Best thing about it was talking to dipshit trump country dude at work who saw no issue with the 'if we have nukes why can't we use them' argument a few years ago, but is now are very bothered and paranoid at the thought of anything nuclear.

agrajag · « **Reply #42 on:** June 05, 2019, 10:57:18 AM »

does he pronounce it nucular?

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #43 on:** June 05, 2019, 02:31:55 PM »

Quote from: jorma on June 05, 2019, 07:27:53 AM

i just realised this guy is directing:

For real?

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #44 on:** June 05, 2019, 04:05:04 PM »

Yep. Directed by Stakka Bo and created by the guy who wrote two Scary Movie sequels and two Hangover sequels.

agrajag · « **Reply #45 on:** June 05, 2019, 09:54:22 PM »

btw they mentioned Holodomor in Ep4. Etiolate continues to dump truckloads of radioactive L's on us from beyond the grave.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #46 on:** June 05, 2019, 10:35:44 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 05, 2019, 09:54:22 PM

btw they mentioned Holodomor in Ep4. Etiolate continues to dump truckloads of radioactive L's on us from beyond the concrete grave.

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benjipwns · « **Reply #47 on:** June 06, 2019, 01:44:37 AM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2019, 02:23:25 PM

Though certainly not on the level of Chernobyl, I've always found the Demon Core to be a fascinating story:

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 03, 2019, 02:52:00 PM

Let's do some nuclear testing! What tools do we need? I dunno, just poke it with a screwdriver.

And they did it twice, the screwdriver was the second time they fucked with it and poisoned a bunch of people. And then they were still going to use it even though the science had made clear that it was obviously cursed. It took the prior test to screw up for them to finally melt it down for good.

The nuclear testing days were crazy. The best uranium separators at Oak Ridge were not the scientists but the Elevated American girls they brought in to watch the dials. The scientists were prone to futzing with crap and "let's try this" like poking stuff with screwdrivers while the girls just separated the isotopes.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #48 on:** June 06, 2019, 09:33:53 AM »

Further reading:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticality_accident

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_fatalities_by_country

Transhuman · « **Reply #49 on:** June 06, 2019, 10:03:55 AM »

Quote from: benjipwns on June 06, 2019, 01:44:37 AM

The nuclear testing days were crazy. The best uranium separators at Oak Ridge were not the scientists but the Elevated American girls they brought in to watch the dials. The scientists were prone to futzing with crap and "let's try this" like poking stuff with screwdrivers while the girls just separated the isotopes.

How do you remember all this shit? You must have the good autism

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Tennessee Eastman was hired by the Army Corps of Engineers to manage Y-12 during the Manhattan Project. The company transferred scientists from Kingsport, Tennessee to Y-12 and operated the plant from 1943 to May 1947. The Y-12 electromagnetic plant units were initially operated by scientists from Berkeley to remove bugs and achieve a reasonable operating rate. They were then turned over to trained Tennessee Eastman operators who had only a high school education. Nichols compared unit production data, and pointed out to physicist Ernest Lawrence that the young "hillbilly" girl operators were outproducing his PhDs. They agreed to a production race and Lawrence lost, a morale boost for the Tennessee Eastman workers and supervisors. The girls were "trained like soldiers not to reason why", while "the scientists could not refrain from time-consuming investigation of the cause of even minor fluctuations of the dials".

Brehvolution · « **Reply #50 on:** June 06, 2019, 04:50:12 PM »

https://news.avclub.com/russia-hates-hbos-chernobyl-vows-to-make-its-own-serie-1835298424

Tasty · « **Reply #51 on:** June 06, 2019, 04:56:28 PM »

Nintex · « **Reply #52 on:** June 06, 2019, 05:44:48 PM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 06, 2019, 04:50:12 PM

https://news.avclub.com/russia-hates-hbos-chernobyl-vows-to-make-its-own-serie-1835298424

I like how the lesson of the TV series is: "Lies will come back to haunt you"

And the first thing the Russian state thinks about is to simply add more lies.
But Gorbachev was right, the Chernobyl disaster played a big role in the end of the Soviet Union. Or at least, accelerated it.

Kara · « **Reply #53 on:** June 06, 2019, 06:26:11 PM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 05, 2019, 09:54:22 PM

btw they mentioned Holodomor in Ep4. Etiolate continues to dump truckloads of radioactive L's on us from beyond the grave.

There was some weird dust up about this on left Twitter... people claimed the term was created after the event so it was deliberate political anachronism. But some of these people also claim that the famines were caused by kulaks burning their own grain so who can really say. Thanks for ushering in a post-truth world, Donald DRUMPF and Vladimir Lenin PUTIN.

agrajag · « **Reply #54 on:** June 06, 2019, 06:41:34 PM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 06, 2019, 04:50:12 PM

https://news.avclub.com/russia-hates-hbos-chernobyl-vows-to-make-its-own-serie-1835298424

can't wait to see how they whitewash it

Boredfrom · « **Reply #55 on:** June 06, 2019, 07:54:09 PM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 06, 2019, 04:50:12 PM

https://news.avclub.com/russia-hates-hbos-chernobyl-vows-to-make-its-own-serie-1835298424

I told you guys...

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #56 on:** June 06, 2019, 10:58:37 PM »

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 06, 2019, 04:50:12 PM

https://news.avclub.com/russia-hates-hbos-chernobyl-vows-to-make-its-own-serie-1835298424

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Part of this crusade is a Russia-produced series from the country’s NTV channel. Directed by filmmaker Alexei Muradov, their project will focus not on the aftermath of the explosion, but instead on what Shepelin calls a “conspiracy theory” that inserts American spies into the narrative.

agrajag · « **Reply #57 on:** June 06, 2019, 11:03:39 PM »

It's almost like the Soviet regime and KGB never left

Brehvolution · « **Reply #58 on:** June 07, 2019, 09:09:11 AM »

I had a suspicion that they would say the "A-ZED 5" kill switch failure was deliberate sabotage by the Americans.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #59 on:** June 07, 2019, 10:49:12 AM »

Quote from: agrajag on June 06, 2019, 11:03:39 PM

It's almost like the Soviet regime and KGB never left

New regime same as the old

Tsar>comscum>capitalscum

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