Why are there so many deaths on US roads

[Cerveza mas fina]

Like per capita the USA has more casualties then any other EU country I think.

Germany is like at 4/100000
Poland is like 9/100000
USA is like 14/100000 lol

Is it the retarted way your highways work? Bad cars?

[BisMarckie]

A country that has left turns on highways deserves every death it gets.

[benjipwns]

distance traveled is probably a better denominator than population

[Bebpo]

I see a person just drive straight through a red light at full speed like once a week. People here are terrible drivers.

Also I'd guess USA has a worse issue with drinking & driving causing bad drivers to be even worse when under alcohol than other countries. Most countries I've been to have basically 0 tolerance for drinking while driving but the USA is like "hey, you can have a drink or two and then drive home"

Also a lot of other countries have public transportation which helps.

[Fifstar]

Less use of safety belt and apparently excessive use of smartphones while driving.

[Cerveza mas fina]

distance traveled is probably a better denominator than population

Njet

[Cerveza mas fina]

A country that has left turns on highways deserves every death it gets.

What how

[Cerveza mas fina]

Im sorry americun my 4th language 

[ToxicAdam]

Probably due to more rural area/drivers and more areas that have harsh winters? I remember reading a long time ago that you are twice as likely to die in a vehicle crash in a rural area vs an urban area.

Here's a report that measures US states vs. European countries if you are interested.


https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/Publication/812340

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compare western europe to any other place(india, russia, china, brazil) 

[agrajag]

Chad Autobahn vs virgin I-5

[TEEEPO]

it's pretty easy to lose your license in many parts of the world due to running red lights, talking on the phone, hitting a cyclist/pedestrian, driving under the influence and the such while thanks to car lobbyists in the states, their hard work has minimized penalties to encourage you to drive even more, especially if you're white and not filthy poor! 


seriously, the whole thing is fucked.

[Madrun Badrun]

Ya, you should adjust for driving time and probably account for the amount of trucking.  Also, all Americans are drunk Jesus-take-the-wheel rednecks.   

[benjipwns]

Brazil has 58 per 100,000 vehicles thanks to the Liberal Truckers™.

[TEEEPO]

if the UAE didn't have a minimum of six lanes per road, that country would easily be the one of the more unsafe places to operate a vechile in with the influx invasion of non-passport carrying immigrants and lax driving exams but because of their amazing infrastructure, things just work.

[BisMarckie]

The process to acquire a license is also way more strict in Germany for example.

But I am probably the worst person to ask about government intervention, especially concerning speed limits on the Autobahn. I am like the open carry gun nuts when it comes to that.

[BisMarckie]

Thinking you are free with a 70mph speed limit.

[Trent Dole]

We have way more roads, less public transport, and we do not keep said roads in very good repair.

[agrajag]

conservative gun nuts 

liberal truckers unregulated speedway enthusiasts 

[TEEEPO]

BICYCLES CAN TAKE THE FULL LANE 

[BisMarckie]

conservative gun nuts 

liberal truckers unregulated speedway enthusiasts 

My argument boils down to: It‘s fun.

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do they have suv's in euorpa?

[agrajag]

BICYCLES CAN TAKE THE FULL LANE 

 

one of the most infuriating things is when bus stops don't have a pullout and they stop right on the road, creating massive bottlenecks during rush hour. Fix your shit, Murrica

 

[BisMarckie]

BICYCLES CAN TAKE THE FULL LANE 

Triggering a speed trap on your bike.

[Madrun Badrun]

Does Europe even have roads?

Yes, the Roman's built them. 

[BisMarckie]

Does Europe even have roads?

Yes, the Roman's built them.

And Hitler, even though he stole Heinrich Brüning‘s idea.

[benjipwns]

Does Europe even have roads?

yes, they were built specifically for Gumball 3000

[Rufus]

It takes time to transport long stretches of our US roads overseas to help lower developed nations.

Freudian slip from an AmeriKKKan imperialist?

[OnlyRegret]

neil made a good point
some causes of death are just normalized

[Potato]

distance traveled is probably a better denominator than population

Yet Australia has a rate of 5.35/100000

[Tripon]

Obtaining a drivers license is much harder and more comprehensive than what is required in the U.S. Also, once you get a drivers license, the Department of Motor Vehicles (Which is run state by state BTW) will pretty allow you to skip tests, either the written test or driving tests for license renewal. I got my license when I was 18 and only had to do a writing test once, and a vision test once. After other time I renewed my license, I either renewed by mail or online.

[Potato]

Sort your shit out yanks.

[agrajag]

damn, get your shit together Chile and rural Australia

[toku]

There is a level of contempt american drivers have for just about everyone and everything else on the road that's really unmatched. Some weird selfish psychology at play where they feel like they're the only one that deserves to be there. I can't find it but I remember seeing some article too that pointed to cyclists being universally hated for reasons as well. Like even the most average or nicest driver being absolute shitbirds to a cyclist if they feel they can get away with it and it won't inconvenience them.

Anecdotally pretty much everyone i know who is a serious cyclist has stories of being fucked over or injured by a driver purposely .

[Potato]

damn, get your shit together Chile and rural Australia

If you've met rural Australians, you'd understand. /s

It's a common statistic sound the world though. Rural people are more at risk.

[TEEEPO]

queensland plates

australia drivers are fairly fucking shitty and i have never felt more unsafe riding my bike rurally than there. for some god damn reason, drivers in australia will pass me within inches even when the opposing lane is free of traffic. we cyclists do not fucking understand it but it probably stems from a high level of aggression from australia generally being a shitty place to drive in. the country has shit infrastructure in all the cities i've been to save for certain parts of melbourne. fucking sydney is the worst 

[TEEEPO]

There is a level of contempt american drivers have for just about everyone and everything else on the road that's really unmatched. Some weird selfish psychology at play where they feel like they're the only one that deserves to be there. I can't find it but I remember seeing some article too that pointed to cyclists being universally hated for reasons as well. Like even the most average or nicest driver being absolute shitbirds to a cyclist if they feel they can get away with it and it won't inconvenience them.

Anecdotally pretty much everyone i know who is a serious cyclist has stories of being fucked over or injured by a driver purposely .

there was a recent thesis paper that correlated gun ownership with vehicle size and how those who tend to own guns are more likely to own vehicles on the larger end of the scale and how they tend to treat those said vehicles as not only as an extension of themselves but as a weapon in how they choose to operate it.

it reminded me of another paper i read some time ago about the psychology of humans and how a good number of us, like a good quarter or so, will steer towards a squirrel or any animal when on the road rather than away and the reason being is that some of us are still in tune with our primal nature and those who exhibit this behavior tend to see their vehicle as an extension of themselves so they are naturally inclined to want to "kill" anything smaller.

[Potato]

Brisbane's cycling infrastructure is improving rapidly. At least on the side of the city that I live. However, people are still fucking stupid and think that driving really close to someone in their 2-tonne death machine is funny or cool.

As far as the correlation between gun ownership and car size...I would say it is more likely that people who own guns are more likely to spend their recreation time outdoors, hence the greater likelihood of owning a 4WD or other large vehicle, but who am I to argue with some social studies space cadet academic with an agenda.

[Rufus]

As far as the correlation between gun ownership and car size...I would say it is more likely that people who own guns are more likely to spend their recreation time outdoors, hence the greater likelihood of owning a 4WD or other large vehicle, but who am I to argue with some social studies space cadet academic with an agenda.

For all you know they could have controlled for those factors.

[Akala]

if the UAE didn't have a minimum of six lanes per road, that country would easily be the one of the more unsafe places to operate a vechile in with the influx invasion of non-passport carrying immigrants and lax driving exams but because of their amazing infrastructure, things just work.

ASIDE FROM THE FIRST THREE DAYS OR SO OF RAMADAN 

[Potato]

As far as the correlation between gun ownership and car size...I would say it is more likely that people who own guns are more likely to spend their recreation time outdoors, hence the greater likelihood of owning a 4WD or other large vehicle, but who am I to argue with some social studies space cadet academic with an agenda.

For all you know they could have controlled for those factors.

there was a recent thesis paper that correlated gun ownership with vehicle size and how those who tend to own guns are more likely to own vehicles on the larger end of the scale and how they tend to treat those said vehicles as not only as an extension of themselves but as a weapon in how they choose to operate it.

[EightBitNate]

You think the US is bad? Driving in the Middle East will raise your blood pressure. I’m constantly hearing stories of distant relatives dying in car accidents in Palestine. Traffic is pretty much a free for all.

[headwalk]

from what i've heard compared to the UK where the test can be a bit of a bastard, american driving tests are like a social sciences degree, where you just turn up, fluff your way through the coursework and write any old shit in the exam and get a pass.

[CatsCatsCats]

from what i've heard compared to the UK where the test can be a bit of a bastard, american driving tests are like a social sciences degree, where you just turn up, fluff your way through the coursework and write any old shit in the exam and get a pass.

Write in? Lol try multiple choice

[benjipwns]

a couple times ago when i had to renew my license in person there was a kid there taking the test, he took it three times while i waited and kept failing it to where the woman basically was telling him the actual answers and he'd forget them when he took it again somehow

[BisMarckie]

Renewing your license?
What kind of oppressive authoritarian shit is that?

[Himu]

BICYCLES CAN TAKE THE FULL LANE 

And y'all actually have bike Lanes and decent sidewalks here  unlike 99% of the country.

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Living in a neighborhood that has sidewalks is a luxury in America and it’s ridiculous.

I wish we could do so much more to neutralize American car culture.

[benjipwns]

Renewing your license?
What kind of oppressive authoritarian shit is that?

read Settlers

[BisMarckie]

Renewing your license?
What kind of oppressive authoritarian shit is that?

read Settlers

I’ll read Michael Parenti‘s take on ancient Rome soon, that’s enough

[BisMarckie]

If the state in the pockets of BIG DRIVING SCHOOLS issues you a license to operate a vehicle, you should be able to keep it until you have proven that you are unable to do so.

[benjipwns]

they own the roads, what can we do

[Fifstar]

distance traveled is probably a better denominator than population

FWIW, the US still has worse rate of deaths per vmt than most high income countries, although significantly less bad than with the per capita ratio and in line with some countries like belgium.

http://www.advanceddrivers.com/2017/10/14/latest-multi-national-vmt-rioad-death-rates-usa-makes-least-progress/

That report ToxicAdam posted is interresting, seems to basically boil down to the US has a high ratio of traffic on (non-highway ?) rural roads, which seem to be the most dangerous road type in pretty much all countries.

[Momo]

welcome to south africa - 25.1

[Potato]

welcome to south africa - 25.1

Does that include carjacking deaths as well...

[Momo]

welcome to south africa - 25.1

Does that include carjacking deaths as well...

no, we count that as reappropriation

[Tasty]

Renewing your license?
What kind of oppressive authoritarian shit is that?

Yeah who wouldn't want people with worsening vision off the road?

[Great Rumbler]

Can confirm that US rural roads are absolute garbage.

[ToxicAdam]

The thing about rural roads  is that you have no protection if something goes wrong. All it takes is one person to go left of center and then you're fucked. You either hit head-on with the other person or you veer off and catapult your car into the air because you hit a drainage ditch next to the road (going at 40+ mph). Striking a tree or flipping your car and killing yourself.

I moved out to central Ohio 15 years ago from the burbs and every year I hear of 2-3 accidents that happen like that. Always resulting in someone dying. 

[MMaRsu]

They all grew up playing too many of this kinda stuff



duh

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https://twitter.com/travis_view/status/1158885000961355776