is hong kong next tiananmen

[Transhuman]

Nine weeks and still going strong

[Transhuman]

I think protestors see this as a now or never moment so I don't think this is going to end with the dissolution of protestors unless there is serious bloodshed, which would be a tragedy.

[Momo]

could it be tiebanshao square instead

People were/are mad as fuck, but honestly I dont think so. Foreign interests are going to fuck off faster than heat on rice and leave people with no other options to be swallowed whole by mainland China in a whimper 

[Bebpo]

It’s terrible but it’s also sad because it’s almost meaningless since this will have no effect on China’s takeover in the long term. They’re not gonna play nice and just back off, so all these people getting killed/injured is for nothing besides making China look even worse on the global stage but not like any other country is gonna do anything about it.

As sad as it is, from what I’ve been reading HK natives are selling off all their stuff and fleeing the country to immigrate somewhere else. That’ll probably have more of an effect on China if HK loses its value because everyone with skills leaves. But I understand that not everyone will have the financial ability to leave and start fresh somewhere else, plus it’s their home and history. Just a really shitty situation. UK shouldn’t have caved on giving it back to China. Should’ve become 100% independent country.

[Leadbelly]

UK shouldn’t have caved on giving it back to China. Should’ve become 100% independent country.

Kind of had no real choice. I think Hong Kong island was British territory, but the rest of it was leased. The area became too small over time so the British needed to expand the territory. So they negotiated a 99 year lease with China.

[Leadbelly]

So they negotiated a 99 year lease with China.

not quite

Either way, it was a 99 year lease. And I think I read somewhere the leased area comprised like 92% of the territory.

[VomKriege]

is hong kong next tiananmen

Yes ! Don't miss it and book your ticket now to be right in the middle of it.

[VomKriege]

I don't it's very useful to have fantasy scenarios of the retrocession not happening. HK best bet is probably to try to make sure China keeps the current timetable for the "two systems" and hope that the PRC change for the better in between.

People were pretty pessimistic after the Umbrella demonstrations seemed to wither away but the current protests are a demonstration that the spirit lives on. A terrible repression might be coming but it's a little harder to conduct in full view of everyone than to deport some Chinese Muslims in an hinterland region. Achieving any drastic short term goal was probably never reasonable but I'm not convinced (and I sure hope) that it will push the PRC to be more cautious, not less. Pushing the city to open revolt would be pretty bad for their image and they do care about that.

[Momo]

Hong Kong is a beautiful place btw, I hope you all get to visit it before it goes to complete shit and while you dont have to deal with Chainha for a visa.

[OnlyRegret]

2016 but first I'm reading this
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/hong-kong-democracy-campaigners-demand-return-to-british-rule-as/

Somewhere in the world where people miss the Brits

[Momo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/cpebgm/this_is_crazy/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Jesus Christ. This is a clusterfuck, thinking back if the HK police wants to fuck you it's super easy at the subway exits.
. Can't believe how brazen they are, especially since most tourists use the octopus line.

[Nintex]

The regime is ready to take this further and has released propaganda videos of forces amassing near Hong Kong 

[Transhuman]

I believe this is what's known in the legal profession as irreconcilable differences.

[Leadbelly]

2016 but first I'm reading this
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/hong-kong-democracy-campaigners-demand-return-to-british-rule-as/

Somewhere in the world where people miss the Brits

Things were a bit different with Hong Kong. It was pretty much an empty island with only like a thousand people living on it. The huge increase in the population came from immigrants fleeing the civil war in China. And so there wasn't really a sense that a country had been taken from them in the beginning. There were times of unrest, but also things got better over time. In a weird way, it probably feels more like a country is being taken from them now with China than it did originally with the British.



Of course not everyone thnks like this in Hong Kong, but it is not quite as crazy as it would be in other areas around the world. Like India for instance demanding the British rule over them again would be harder to get your head around.

[Transhuman]

So embarrassed that this guy is from my country

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1160977102591496192

[Transhuman]

"Do it right" lol

[Rufus]

- 7 million people in the richest city in china don't get to take their quaternary sector economy and try to run away from the other 1 billion
- violence is bad

This is pretty funny in sequence. Tone of the first point carries zero weight without violence. Likewise, HK poses no credible threat, so they couldn't have done much besides beg for the status quo to be maintained. Though all they can hope for now is leniency, I suppose.

Have a lot of desperate young people, brehs.

- extradition is fine, the bill only allows extradition for 37 specific crimes and none of them are political.

Nominally, anyway. No idea how trustworthy the mainland's legal system is. File as cynicism.

Currently a murderer can be extradited from Hong Kong to the United States... but not to the mainland? That's just dumb.

Or humanitarian, you barbarian. 😤
Still weird though, since HK abolished capital punishment. Do they only extradite if the person is tried in a US state which doesn't have or enact the death penalty?

[Transhuman]

"Do it right" lol

There are only two implicit strategies being exercised here. One is to cry loudly in public until things get so bad that they martyr themselves to state violence. This works when the government holds a fundamental level of compassion, which might be true for the HK SAR, but we all know mainland will enforce the red line. I don't know how many people are thinking that far ahead and consciously volunteering to be sacrificial lambs but it can't be many.

I think you underestimate the protestors tbh. They may be hoping press coverage will prevent the government from responding violently, but they're also not ignorant of history.

[Rufus]

state violence is just law enforcement, it's not included when we say violence

lame :c

I think this is a major reason why the pro-beijing camp is advocating for a slow path to universal suffrage; they want the mainlandization and cultural homogenization to occur first (the erasure of cantonese, people to forget what it was like to be British, etc.). That way when pandora's box is open they won't be some rogue province that immediately votes for HONGXIT.

That way they won't be squeezed too hard, you mean. PRC leadership doesn't strike me as patient, given the whole country was built up to what it is in a couple generations.

Luckily the Chief Executive has to approve all extradition requests. And if you don't trust that person either, know that an army of lawyers would raise hell if there were ever blatant disregard for the law. Ultimately it comes down to Hong Kong's legal system, not mainland's.

How credible is this, given what's going on? If they could be pacified by such assurances they would be, no? Then again, this turned into something much bigger than that.

I just used murder as an example and the United States as an example. HK has a completely separate legal system so by necessity it has to make its own extradition agreements. It already has 20 of them.

ARTICLE 4
Capital Punishment
(1)
When the offence for which surrender is sought is punishable by death under the laws of the requesting Party and is not punishable by death under the laws of the requested Party, the requested Party may refuse surrender unless the requesting Party provides assurances that the death penalty will not be imposed or, if imposed, will not be carried out.
(2)
In instances in which a requesting Party has provided an assurance that the death penalty will not be carried out, the death penalty, if imposed by the courts of the requesting Party, shall not be carried out.

Noice.

[Leadbelly]

I'm not making any kind of argument or trying to rebutt an argument. That said, the Chinese legal system is dodgy as fuck, especially for foreigners. If you get into a dispute over anything, the best course of action is to try and sort it out without getting the police involved.

Also this is a good channel. I watch this guy's videos quite a lot.

[curly]

https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1161529827213623296

 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1161867153626165248
 

[Tasty]

Not sure but let me know what the Radio Free International Fund for Freedom and Democracy In Asia thinks before I make up my mind TIA

I got my answer Hong Kong Liberty forever! Save us President Trump, Bring Back the Queen!

https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1159364746329632768

I wouldn't have any problem with them meeting those groups...? Is that just me?

[Momo]

Not sure but let me know what the Radio Free International Fund for Freedom and Democracy In Asia thinks before I make up my mind TIA

I got my answer Hong Kong Liberty forever! Save us President Trump, Bring Back the Queen!

https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1159364746329632768

I wouldn't have any problem with them meeting those groups...? Is that just me?

would you have a problem if china met with the proud boys or antifa?

[Tasty]

I dunno, if it's out in the open then sure.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/SullyCNBC/status/1162368819026771970



 

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Stop it bannon stahp

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[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/VivienneChow/status/1162011234545221632

Resetera: Suddenly I like Hong Kong police and China now!

[Cerveza mas fina]

Hong Kong is a beautiful place btw, I hope you all get to visit it before it goes to complete shit and while you dont have to deal with Chainha for a visa.

Only place ive been where McDonalds has Egg McMuffins all day

[Cerveza mas fina]

https://twitter.com/ChinaDaily/status/1161529827213623296

 

Wow

Takes some chutzpah to write that with a straight face 

[Momo]

Hong Kong is a beautiful place btw, I hope you all get to visit it before it goes to complete shit and while you dont have to deal with Chainha for a visa.

Only place ive been where McDonalds has Egg McMuffins all day

why would you buy food at the $1000 burger western fast food joins, get a dumpling man

[Great Rumbler]

Sometimes you just want an Egg McMuffin tho

[Nintex]

All we need is a new killer track from David Hasselhoff and we can bring down all of Commie china 

[CatsCatsCats]

Hong Kong is a beautiful place btw, I hope you all get to visit it before it goes to complete shit and while you dont have to deal with Chainha for a visa.

Only place ive been where McDonalds has Egg McMuffins all day

All of the usa is like that now FYI

[team filler]

[Tasty]

Not sure the translation was necessary

[benjipwns]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/19/twitter-accuses-china-of-running-disinformation-campaign-against-hong-kong-protesters.html

Twitter and Facebook have suspended numerous accounts that they say are tied to a Chinese disinformation campaign against pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong.

Twitter said Monday it suspended 936 accounts likely related to the activity. The company said the disinformation campaign was designed to “sow political discord in Hong Kong, including undermining the legitimacy and political protest movement on the ground.”

“Based on our intensive investigations, we have reliable evidence to support that this is a coordinated state-backed operation,” the company said in a blog post. “Specifically, we have identified large clusters of accounts behaving in a coordinated manner to amplify messages related to the Hong Kong protests.”

Following Twitter’s announcement, Facebook said in a blog post that it was acting on a tip from Twitter.

Facebook removed seven pages, three groups and five accounts in what it calls coordinated inauthentic behavior targeting Hong Kong. About 15,500 accounts followed one or more of the now-deactivated pages, while roughly 2,200 accounts joined at least one of the groups, Facebook said.

“We’re taking down these Pages, Groups and accounts based on their behavior, not the content they posted,” Nathaniel Gleicher, Facebook’s head of cybersecurity policy, said in the post. “As with all of these takedowns, the people behind this activity coordinated with one another and used fake accounts to misrepresent themselves, and that was the basis for our action.”

[Cerveza mas fina]

Hong Kong is a beautiful place btw, I hope you all get to visit it before it goes to complete shit and while you dont have to deal with Chainha for a visa.

Only place ive been where McDonalds has Egg McMuffins all day

why would you buy food at the $1000 burger western fast food joins, get a dumpling man

Who says I didnt? Ive had tons of dumplings all across China.

Also I love to visit fast food places, esp, McD in weird places. Like have a McAloo and Maharaja Mac in India.

I also still remember to this day you could get fried rice paddies at McD in Hong Kong too.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Jules : You know what they call a Quarterpounder with chees in France?

Momo: lol why did you go to a fast food place and not eat a croissant? 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Hong Kong is a beautiful place btw, I hope you all get to visit it before it goes to complete shit and while you dont have to deal with Chainha for a visa.

Only place ive been where McDonalds has Egg McMuffins all day

All of the usa is like that now FYI

Time to visit again

[Momo]

Jules : You know what they call a Quarterpounder with chees in France?

Momo: lol why did you go to a fast food place and not eat a croissant? 

i'm mostly laughing at you because western fast food is stupid expensive in HK and you ordered from the international menu not the local one 

[Cerveza mas fina]

 :'(

[Momo]

i still love you tho

[Tasty]

To be clear, I meant in the sense that the Photoshop is so obvious it speaks for itself.

[benjipwns]

Google axed 210 YouTube channels after it found they had been tied to misinformation about Hong Kong protesters, the company announced Thursday.

“Earlier this week, as part of our ongoing efforts to combat coordinated influence operations, we disabled 210 channels on YouTube when we discovered channels in this network behaved in a coordinated manner while uploading videos related to the ongoing protests in Hong Kong,” Shane Huntley, director of software engineering for Google Security’s Threat Analysis Group said in a blog post.

“We found use of VPNs and other methods to disguise the origin of these accounts and other activity commonly associated with coordinated influence operations.”

Google stopped short of explicitly blaming the Chinese government for the misleading accounts.

[Nintex]

Holy SHIT at this propaganda from china global

 

The music

This is epic 

[Momo]

I know a girl that's a chinese military conscript (not sure if voluntary) or whatever hope she's gonna be alright

[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1166145021269237762

[Great Rumbler]

Not to be pedantic, but the total number of deaths in the '67 riots was 51. Some were killed by police, a few were police killed by mainland China militia, and others were killed by leftist rioters [including some by homemade bombs]

[Momo]

Beijing Palmer .. Benji Palmer

[Nintex]

Told you it was Bannon. 

[Leadbelly]

Holy SHIT at this propaganda from china global

 

The music

Kid goes to college [intense music]

Woman goes to a wedding [intense music]

I have to say, I am really feeling this music. It is like it has penetrated deep into every part of my body and now the music and me are one. It makes me want to do some kind of avant garde ballet dance in a dark room with a strobe light. Every now and then air raid sirens go off and I just roll around the floor in a black leotard.

[Leadbelly]

lol

I was watching a video about the latest incident in Hong Kong. If you don't know, there was a violent clash with protesters and police and a single shot was fired by a police officer. If you have watched enough videos of the hong kong protests on Youtube, and read the comments, you will be aware of the comments that seem suspiciously like they were made by government stooges.

I mention this because:

Brave or foolhardy and manipulated? It's going to end badly for them and guess where their leaders will be? Safely in America.

Now where have I heard that before? 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/cityusucbc/status/1167752754707615744

Impressive

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/RealAlexRubi/status/1167901130937913350

 

[Nintex]

Dat aesthetic though



 

[VomKriege]

Now this is the thought leadership I need to cosign this movement

https://twitter.com/GlobalHimalaya/status/1165517260749803526

Russell Crowe really got it rough.

[Leadbelly]

(Image removed from quote.)

undercover cop caught throwing a molotov at police

Well, unless there is clear evidence he is a cop, we won't know for sure. That said, I do think the protestors really need to watch out for agent provocateurs. Whether Hong Kong authorities are actually willing to do that, I don't know, but I feel like the CCP would probably be willing to do that in any case. If you want the pretext for a serious crack down, and the protestors are not giving it to you, then invent one.

[Momo]

His voice reminds me of Alex jones

[Leadbelly]

His voice reminds me of Alex jones

lol

They don't know what to do. You can tell that they know he means well, but at the same time he is rambling on like a mad man. It's like they don't know whether to move away or stay where they are just to be polite.

[Momo]

My guy was out dropping bottles of vodka had one salient point and decided to repeat it 20 000 times