Climate Crisis thread

[Cerveza mas fina]

It occurred to me were really fucked, climate already changed so much since I was a kid that all these half assed measures governments are taking wont have effect before the second half of the century and tje climate is going to be wild by then if it keeps changing like this.

Were being led to the slaughter in the name of capitalism.

[Great Rumbler]

Live in a country where the ruling party won't even admit that climate change even exists, brehs.

[Rufus]

We're gonna be relatively OK up north. I'm more worried about how we're going to change when even more refugees try to come in.

Indonesia is going to be the most 'interesting' one to watch, I think. Island nation AND on the equator. And a populace of more than 260 million.

[Huff]

we all have to die someway

[Rufus]

we all have to die someway

Fatalistic health-care professionals

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/byjacobward/status/1189305629879554048

30 years left to visit Bangkok

One night in Bangkok before the climate crumbles.

[ToxicAdam]

I’ll still be here in 30 years to laugh at you all.


I’m sure by then they will concoct some new rationale on why the predictions haven’t happened yet and you’ll all buy-in and call me a fool. I saw it happen in the last 20 years when the climate didn’t follow the models of the 90s  and then you saw a rash of studies saying all the predicted heat was trapped in the ocean.

Rinse, lather, repeat.


Also: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=45747.0

[Rufus]

I want it to be a mirage too, man, but we're stuck with it.

[OnlyRegret]

I’ll still be here in 30 years to laugh at you all.


I’m sure by then they will concoct some new rationale on why the predictions haven’t happened yet and you’ll all buy-in and call me a fool. I saw it happen in the last 20 years when the climate didn’t follow the models of the 90s  and then you saw a rash of studies saying all the predicted heat was trapped in the ocean.

Rinse, lather, repeat.


Also: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=45747.0

It won't be some planet ender like some people hyperbolize it to be, but rather some shit times in the not-so-near future.
Climate, shits complicated yo. Greenhouse effect is pretty straightforward but the complexity of factors involved becomes evident when you look at things on a large timescale in which case you can twist things to whatever angle you please.

[EightBitNate]

Rising sea levels don’t affect me in Chicago. Fuck coasters.

[Raist]

Rising sea levels don’t affect me in Chicago. Fuck coasters.

Have fun with the great lakes getting progressively more fucked though.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I’ll still be here in 30 years to laugh at you all.


I’m sure by then they will concoct some new rationale on why the predictions haven’t happened yet and you’ll all buy-in and call me a fool. I saw it happen in the last 20 years when the climate didn’t follow the models of the 90s  and then you saw a rash of studies saying all the predicted heat was trapped in the ocean.

Rinse, lather, repeat.


Also: http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=45747.0

Listen man, 25 years ago I used to ice skate every winter on natural ice, on rivers and lakes. Now there is barely snow in winter.

In France they have to reinforce thousands of ski lifts, even some built in the 90s, because the "perma" frost they were embedded in is gone and they are starting to become unstable.

[Madrun Badrun]

I've been into paleontology a lot lately and it honestly has me a bit scared.  If you look at something recent like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum and then look at the amount of greenhouse gasses we are putting in the atmosphere in a much much shorter time span, then its hard not to be worried.  I don't drive, and I've started to cut back on meat and airconditioning but there is not much else I can do personally; and its not like personal choices will really make a difference.   

[Nintex]

I have an employee/co-worker who's really stressed out about this climate thing. Wants me to do vegan lunches on monday and just today started complaining about how many leftover bread gets tossed in the trash on fridays.
There's a simple explanation for that. Everyone likes a different type of bread and when I'm at the bakery I also bring all sorts of other snacks so we might not eat our regular sandwiches anyway.

I'm like gurl, have you ever seen what the supermarket dumps in the trash every single day? A few loafs of bread is nothing.
She always gets triggered when I tell her that her not eating hamburgers is not going to make any difference for the climate if I eat 2.
Those people get really high on regulations and the thoughts of banning things such as cars, smoking, drinking, meat and any type of fun.

It seems that the church has been replaced with the cult of climate.
I'm expecting eco-terrorism at some point with radical lefties RAF guerrilla style bombing McDonalds and stuff or mass suicide by climate people trying to save the planet by reducing their own carbon footprint.
They are completely crazy and obsessed with this stuff and just endlessly frustrated with people like me.

[EightBitNate]

Rising sea levels don’t affect me in Chicago. Fuck coasters.

Have fun with the great lakes getting progressively more fucked though.

More fresh water => solve the water crisis

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

There’s nothing greener than eating lead

[thisismyusername]

30 years left to visit Bangkok

You can always visit me to Bangkok, Shost.

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When you're 18+, of course.

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[thisismyusername]

I’ll still be here in 30 years to laugh at you all.


I’m sure by then they will concoct some new rationale on why the predictions haven’t happened yet and you’ll all buy-in and call me a fool. I saw it happen in the last 20 years when the climate didn’t follow the models of the 90s  and then you saw a rash of studies saying all the predicted heat was trapped in the ocean.

Rinse, lather, repeat.

This is your mind on Republican-ism.

Sorry, I don't have sex with disabled people.

Demi annihilated.

[ToxicAdam]

I saw it happen in the last 20 years when the climate didn’t follow the models of the 90s  and then you saw a rash of studies saying all the predicted heat was trapped in the ocean.

You want to use scenario A because that was the scenario that closest resembled what our current Co2 pollution has been.

But you were being a good apostle. Can’t knock the hustle.

[Mandark]

if toxicadam wants receipts for past bad climate takes

well

[benjipwns]

Rising sea levels don’t affect me in Chicago. Fuck coasters.

Have fun with the great lakes getting progressively more fucked though.

the actual thing he has to worry about are when the Asian Carp develop a taste for human flesh

[Cerveza mas fina]

Nintex with the classic Dutch "it doesn't matter what I do cause someone is worse"

Hope your house gets flooded by the sea

[ToxicAdam]

Next time you post, consider doing your due diligence first.

Tell me what the co2 projections of scenario A and scenario B were then. Compare them to today.

I'm not here to convince you that Xenu isn't real. Don't get mad.

[headwalk]

i think being in junior school and repeatedly beaten over the head with the fact that all the oil would run out and the world was going to be an apocalyptic wasteland by the time i was 25 makes me feel like i've already dodged a bullet just by making this far.

[Nintex]

I survived the

P E A K O I L

P E R M A F R O S T

N U C L E A R W I N T E R

O Z O N L A Y E R

C L I M A T E

S A R S

E B O L A

A R A B S P R I N G

N I T R O G E N

T R U M P

H I G H W A Y C R A S H

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[CatsCatsCats]

I hope everyone dies except TA and I but instead of rubbing his face in it, it becomes a buddy comedy and we have a cool yacht

[Yeti]

And all I got my grandchildren was a ruined climate and this t-shirt

[team filler]

seeing california wildfires being used to promote the green new deal 

[curly]

seeing california wildfires being used to promote the green new deal 

Would be pretty funny if the "if climate change is real why is it cold this morning" regulars at my store had their McMansions burn down

[team filler]

maybe go after pg&e first 

[ToxicAdam]

I’m sure by then they will concoct some new rationale on why the predictions haven’t happened yet and you’ll all buy-in and call me a fool. I saw it happen in the last 20 years when the climate didn’t follow the models of the 90s  and then you saw a rash of studies saying all the predicted heat was trapped in the ocean.

Your claims:
1. Major climate predictions made in the 90s were wrong.
2. The 90s models didn't account for the ocean's role as a heat sink. These were hastily added over a decade later to explain the failed predictions post-hoc.

First, the oceans. Here is what Hansen had to say in 1988 about the role of ocean heat transfer:

In this paper we study the response of a 3D global climate model to realistic rates of change of radiative forcing mechanisms. The transient response of the climate system on decadal times scales depends crucially on the response of the ocean, for which adequate understanding and dynamical models are not available. Our procedure is to use simple assumptions about ocean heat transport. Specifically we assume that during the next few decades the rate and pattern of horizontal ocean heat transport will remain unchanged and the rate of heat update by the ocean beneath the mixed layer can be approximated by diffusive mixing of heat perturbations. This "surprise-free" representation of the ocean provides a first estimate of the global transient climate response which can be compared both to observations and to future simulations developed with a dynamically interactive ocean.

So already by 1988 the role of the ocean was well understood (and of course it would have been, this is very simple thermodynamics here). That's your first mistake. Hansen acknowledged that the ocean isn't just a simple heat sink, it's its own oscillatory system with complicated dynamics between surface and deep water. In any case, the first time the IPCC
Hansen's specific predictions run a little high (maybe ~20%), but luckily in an appendix he provided formula so that people could rerun his model with updated emissions data. That is exactly what someone did in one of the links I

From my recollection of last year (when the anniversary brought it back into light), people charted his prediction using linear growth and not cumulative growth. If it was down by cumulative growth it would be shown as such.

https://manicbeancounter.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/cum-ems-v2.jpg

[nachobro]

[Raist]

It's all gonna be fine brehs. The big wall of ice surrounding earth will protect us.

[OnlyRegret]

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I always like this angle. Sticking to the basics and avoiding the complexities and points of arguments that spring up like we can see above.
Yes, that means you Adam. Whether or not the planet will literally be Venus in 100 years isn't the point of contention, just that the basics like drinkable water, breathable air, green things in the future would be nice.

[Mandark]

during the bush administration toxicadam was posting that global warming was caused by increased sunspots

i mean

[OnlyRegret]

Solar activity probably isn't something you can rule out for obvious reasons, but there is the rub. You can go down various tangents that you can't really test 100% since you can't control solar output. But you can remember you breathe air and even if the air won't flash combust you it sucks ass if it is brutal on your lungs.

[ToxicAdam]

Solar activity influences cloud formation and clouds play huge role in our climate. It’s not even a process we fully understand or bake accurately into the climate models yet.

Also, my bone of contention with the subject has always been the hyper-focus on Co2. It’s the cart, not the horse. That energy (human capital and plain capital) should be directed more towards reducing particulate pollution (soot), encouraging better land use and examining our affect on the hydrosphere. We’re dredging untold millions of liters of water from the earth on the daily and not thinking about the ramifications of it

[Mandark]

you posted a thread that said warming stopped after 1998

[ToxicAdam]

When did I post it? Because warming quit happening at the same rate for a decade or more in the 00’s, there were many studies trying to find where that “missing heat” went. Many came to the conclusion it got buried in the deep ocean.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth’s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade

Also, you have to let go of this notion that I was a sincere poster on GAF. My entire aim was to be as disruptive as possible without getting permabanned. Siamesedreamer and I would often collude on articles/ideas to post to stir up the most shit. It was just a game for us. We would take turns in order to spread ourselves out and duck bans.

[samir]

Also, you have to let go of this notion that I was a sincere poster on GAF. My entire aim was to be as disruptive as possible without getting permabanned. Siamesedreamer and I would often collude on articles/ideas to post to stir up the most shit. It was just a game for us. We would take turns in order to spread ourselves out and duck bans.

[Nintex]

Also, you have to let go of this notion that I was a sincere poster on GAF. My entire aim was to be as disruptive as possible without getting permabanned. Siamesedreamer and I would often collude on articles/ideas to post to stir up the most shit. It was just a game for us. We would take turns in order to spread ourselves out and duck bans.

hero 

[benjipwns]

It's all gonna be fine brehs. The big wall of ice surrounding earth will protect us.

FACT CHECK:

[curly]

Also, you have to let go of this notion that I was a sincere poster on GAF. My entire aim was to be as disruptive as possible without getting permabanned.

"when I say stuff that appears stupid in retrospect it's because I was joking"

what a coward

[ToxicAdam]

Nothing I said was stupid. It was all based on actual studies and articles of its time.

My tag was ‘adventures in sophistry’. It’s not like it was some kind of dark secret.

[TVC15]

We are firmly in “smoke em if you got em” territory. It’s best not to worry about it and enjoy the time we have left.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Solar activity influences cloud formation and clouds play huge role in our climate. It’s not even a process we fully understand or bake accurately into the climate models yet.

Also, my bone of contention with the subject has always been the hyper-focus on Co2. It’s the cart, not the horse. That energy (human capital and plain capital) should be directed more towards reducing particulate pollution (soot), encouraging better land use and examining our affect on the hydrosphere. We’re dredging untold millions of liters of water from the earth on the daily and not thinking about the ramifications of it

Who is only focussing on co2?

Its the tip of the spear sure but there are so many other things in its wake people care about

Like organic food production for example

[benjipwns]

How do I get Tom Steyer to fund creation of a model that considers the Great Ice Ball theory? (Both hollow and not hollow please as there is no consensus despite what some people want you to think.)

[TVC15]

Anyway, with my health I will likely not live another 10 years, and certainly not another 20. I hope it happens. I relish the thought of you assholes suffering. All of you. And I’m glad stosta is one of the youngest here because it means that twat gets to suffer longer.

[Mandark]

When did I post it? Because warming quit happening at the same rate for a decade or more in the 00’s, there were many studies trying to find where that “missing heat” went. Many came to the conclusion it got buried in the deep ocean.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth’s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade

Also, you have to let go of this notion that I was a sincere poster on GAF. My entire aim was to be as disruptive as possible without getting permabanned. Siamesedreamer and I would often collude on articles/ideas to post to stir up the most shit. It was just a game for us. We would take turns in order to spread ourselves out and duck bans.

"those posts were jokes but also right and i will defend them"

[Mandark]

also wasn't siamesedreamer the guy who said he was glad atlanta had a white quarterback then got all weepy about how he was drunk and not really racist?

[OnlyRegret]

Anyway, with my health I will likely not live another 10 years, and certainly not another 20. I hope it happens. I relish the thought of you assholes suffering. All of you. And I’m glad stosta is one of the youngest here because it means that twat gets to suffer longer.

 

[OnlyRegret]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/india-smog-restrict-vehicles-smog-1.5346516

[Boogie]

Nothing I said was stupid. It was all based on actual studies and articles of its time.

My tag was ‘adventures in sophistry’. It’s not like it was some kind of dark secret.

Would be hilarious if Mandark was the one who gave you the tag. 

[Tasty]

Also, you have to let go of this notion that I was a sincere poster on GAF. My entire aim was to be as disruptive as possible without getting permabanned. Siamesedreamer and I would often collude on articles/ideas to post to stir up the most shit. It was just a game for us. We would take turns in order to spread ourselves out and duck bans.

hero 

If Nintex is Trump does this make Adam the dog who shot Osama?

[Cerveza mas fina]

Anyone else trying to cut out flying from their holidays?

I actually feel a bit ashamed about all the flying ive done so far. Then I feel like a hypocrite because I traveled to a lot of places but would everyone to travel less (by plane).

That said I think sustainability is a myth, for us to live we have to consume. What we can do though is do our best to keep the world healthy.

[ToxicAdam]

There are millions (billions?) of people in this world who burn their garbage, in the open air, daily. You should never feel guilty because you take a trip on an airplane once or twice a year.

The study concluded that as much as 29 percent of human-related global emissions of small particulates (less than 2.5 microns in diameter) come from the (trash) fires, as well as 10 percent of mercury and 40 percent of a group of gases known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140826121056.htm


 

[Tasty]

Anyone else trying to cut out flying from their holidays?

I actually feel a bit ashamed about all the flying ive done so far. Then I feel like a hypocrite because I traveled to a lot of places but would everyone to travel less (by plane).

That said I think sustainability is a myth, for us to live we have to consume. What we can do though is do our best to keep the world healthy.

I've made like five flights in my life and they've all been necessary and extremely important, so I don't feel too much guilt, no.

But I also don't own a car so I'm doing better than most of you climate wise anyways.

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Be in your late 20s without your own car brehs :'(

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[Nintex]

Anyone else trying to cut out flying from their holidays?

I actually feel a bit ashamed about all the flying ive done so far. Then I feel like a hypocrite because I traveled to a lot of places but would everyone to travel less (by plane).

That said I think sustainability is a myth, for us to live we have to consume. What we can do though is do our best to keep the world healthy.

The plane will fly even if you're not on it. So just take the plane and enjoy yourself.