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thisismyusername

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #60 on: November 06, 2019, 11:20:55 PM »
Besides which, only computers count by 0. :wag :wag :wag

agrajag

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2019, 07:22:41 AM »
Take birthday's for example. When you celebrate your 20th birthday you have actually lived for 21 years.

That's not how birthdays work.

I guess he's counting the time in the womb, which is not quite a year nevertheless. Point being, Nintex is stupid.

Tasty

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2019, 08:45:26 AM »
Besides which, only computers count by 0. :wag :wag :wag

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2019, 08:48:53 AM »
baby's first weed

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Pogi, you’re a sweetheart, but this is even less interesting than most of the content here.

What else are we supposed to do in this mod dictatorship?
Fake Belgian passports? Banned!
Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #64 on: November 07, 2019, 09:00:33 AM »
lmao remember when pogi made a thread asking if numbers were real :neogaf
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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2019, 09:43:11 AM »
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Wavelengths exist, color is concept

Well, it is all conceptual isn't it, because ultimately everything is an interpretation from the brain. And yeah it is kind of weird when thinking of colour as a wavelength in the electromagnetic spectrum. Each colour has its own frequency. It is also obvious when you think about it that colour or visible light in general, requires an eye to see it. It reminds me of an Alan Watts quote that is kind of obvious when you think about but also profound: "The source of all light is in the eye". Because if there are no eyes in the world the sun would not be light. Without eyes it is impossible to conceptualise light. It requires by necessity not only organs to see it, but also a brain to interpret that information. And the interpretation part is important because as you hinted at, is it light or is it just a wave? is it frequency? What makes it light is partly to do with how the brain interprets photons hitting the retina. And that also reminds me of this question: What is behind the eyes? what is behind the eyes is what is in front of you.
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thisismyusername

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2019, 10:48:54 AM »
Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!

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Rah did what?

Snuff film or actual porn? Because if it's a snuff film, that's my fault. If it's homemade porn to try "to own the TIMU" well... whatever.

agrajag

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2019, 10:51:25 AM »
Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!

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Rah did what?

Snuff film or actual porn? Because if it's a snuff film, that's my fault. If it's homemade porn to try "to own the TIMU" well... whatever.

he posted hog for you and you didn't even see it  ::)

thisismyusername

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2019, 10:57:16 AM »
Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!

 :-\

Rah did what?

Snuff film or actual porn? Because if it's a snuff film, that's my fault. If it's homemade porn to try "to own the TIMU" well... whatever.

he posted hog for you and you didn't even see it  ::)

Well damn, hopefully Andy-kun saw it because Andy-kun is the one that found him attractive despite being a total fucking Adachi toward women, so while posting hog to me is fine it's not Pogi (or Esch)'s so I couldn't really care. :doge

Stupid fuck seriously didn't read "I don't read his posts anymore because they aren't worth a damn," leave the thread to do other shit and he posts hog. :whew That is some spicy lack of reading comprehension.

agrajag

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2019, 11:02:44 AM »
that was his parting shot, he left the forum for good

Leadbelly

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2019, 11:05:55 AM »
Actually another thing about colour. Something people are aware of but don't really think about. Your TV is made up of red, green and blue pixels. And from that light you get all the colours. It is just a combination of those colours lighting up at different intensities. And from it you get all the colours. And if all those colours are lit up at the same time at full intensity you get white.

Of course you accept it as just being the way it is without much thought, but it is weird when you think about it for a second. Red, green and blue light at the same time gives you white. hmmm.

thisismyusername

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #71 on: November 07, 2019, 11:06:05 AM »
You mean his money shot. :wag :wag :wag

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #72 on: November 07, 2019, 11:25:59 AM »
Wine dark sea etc

Wavelengths exist, color is concept

Well, it is all conceptual isn't it, because ultimately everything is an interpretation from the brain.
Ultimately ultimately (actually ultimately; super ultimately, even), physical reality, and with it photons, exist independent of human brains. [/pointdexter]

Tasty

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #73 on: November 07, 2019, 11:36:44 AM »
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Well damn, hopefully Andy-kun saw it because Andy-kun is the one that found him attractive despite being a total fucking Adachi toward women, so while posting hog to me is fine it's not Pogi (or Esch)'s so I couldn't really care. :doge

:confused Lol I didn't see it and I couldn't care less. My comments on Rahx's attractiveness were directed in a platonic, objective manner.

Tasty

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #74 on: November 07, 2019, 11:37:43 AM »
Also the fuck is an Adachi

Rufus

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2019, 11:38:14 AM »
Is this where the animosity comes from? Rahx is better looking? :hitler

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2019, 11:39:42 AM »
Wine dark sea etc

Wavelengths exist, color is concept

Well, it is all conceptual isn't it, because ultimately everything is an interpretation from the brain.
Ultimately ultimately (actually ultimately; super ultimately, even), physical reality, and with it photons, exist independent of human brains. [/pointdexter]

What makes it light though?

And from an eastern philosophical perspective (not sayingit is true) there is no denial that something exists. I mean you can say that all we are seeing is the inside of our own head, but at the same time, our own head exists within something. Yet, there is truth in that reality is created by the mind. Or another way of putting it, is an interpretation of the mind, and evidently it is... so... what? Well, perhaps it is all one mechanism. In other words maybe it is not necessarily an interaction between the external and internal worlds, but rather a transaction. You can't have one without the other. You can't have a seller without a buyer, you can't have a buyer without a seller. In other words the idea in more eastern philosopy is that the external world and the internal (you) are intrinsically connected. It is all one process.

And regardless of that which is just one way of looking at it, that is either true or not, the point being being made isn't that something doesn't exist, it is that our perception of what exists is in many ways conceptual. As was pointed out, light is also a wavelength. What makes it 'light' is conceptual. It is photons hitting the back of the eye the retina, that in turn being converted into electrical signals, and the brain interpreting those signals as light.

Same with sound. Sound is just vibrational waves hitting your ear drum. What's more it is not directly those vibrational waves your brain is interpreting, it is the vibration of your ear drum, which is in turn converted to electrical signals and interpreted by the brain as sound. And I have thought actually, that perhaps there is no real reason why the brain couldn't interpret it a different way. Like visualisations on your computer when you play music. You get a visual pattern. What if the brain interpreted 'sound' as visual patterns? Then sound would be purely visual. The whole notion of sound would be completely inconceivable. And thus explained quite clearly that sound is jut a concept.

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2019, 11:46:35 AM »
Wine dark sea etc

Wavelengths exist, color is concept

Well, it is all conceptual isn't it, because ultimately everything is an interpretation from the brain.
Ultimately ultimately (actually ultimately; super ultimately, even), physical reality, and with it photons, exist independent of human brains. [/pointdexter]

What makes it light though?
The human concept of 'light' and photons are closely tied, and the distinctions between the two are not really that profound (I have enjoyed words come out of Alan Watts mouth, so the appeal isn't lost on me). Which is to say, please don't write long posts in response to 0-effort shitposting. :-\

Tasty

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2019, 11:48:11 AM »
:dunno I don't understand.

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2019, 11:48:42 AM »
:dunno I don't understand.
Another way to call him a woman-hating incel.

agrajag

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2019, 11:48:53 AM »
far out, man

Leadbelly

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2019, 11:54:22 AM »
Wine dark sea etc

Wavelengths exist, color is concept

Well, it is all conceptual isn't it, because ultimately everything is an interpretation from the brain.
Ultimately ultimately (actually ultimately; super ultimately, even), physical reality, and with it photons, exist independent of human brains. [/pointdexter]

What makes it light though?
The human concept of 'light' and photons are closely tied, and the distinctions between the two are not really that profound (I have enjoyed words come out of Alan Watts mouth, so the appeal isn't lost on me). Which is to say, please don't write long posts in response to 0-effort shitposting. :-\

Okay. And the Alan Watts quote was an example of a point being made. Not entirely the basis of the argument.

And I would say it could be seen as profound exactly because they are tied. In the sense that you can't have one without the other. And some people might see that as profound. Light needs an observer.

And you obviously do not. Which is fine also.

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2019, 12:02:34 PM »
Spare some time to learn about banter next time you find yourself musing on whether there is such a thing as white light, or if it's a construct of our perception. :hmph

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #85 on: November 07, 2019, 12:09:34 PM »
Spare some time to learn about banter next time you find yourself musing on whether there is such a thing as white light, or if it's a construct of our perception. :hmph

Eh... there was also a point being made in the banter which I latched on to. So sorry if you didn't give a shit to begin with. lol

And... interestingly (I know you don't give a shit) red, green and blue at a certain intensity emits a wavelength which is white light. That is why it works.
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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2019, 01:47:58 PM »
Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!

 :-\

Rah did what?

Snuff film or actual porn? Because if it's a snuff film, that's my fault. If it's homemade porn to try "to own the TIMU" well... whatever.

lmao
why else do you think I was asking if you were collecting them now

thisismyusername

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2019, 04:21:44 PM »
Rahx posting new homemade porn? Banned!

 :-\

Rah did what?

Snuff film or actual porn? Because if it's a snuff film, that's my fault. If it's homemade porn to try "to own the TIMU" well... whatever.

lmao
why else do you think I was asking if you were collecting them now

Well, I am the hog connoisseur... just there's certain people (like incels) I don't want to know. :trumps

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #88 on: December 13, 2019, 11:41:41 PM »
Since my handle was invoked in this thread and I found it vanity searching, here's my view on the matter.

I believe that numbers are real, conscious entities who experience qualia, including pleasure and suffering, and who can know divine love.

However, not all mathematical properties have qualia associated with them.

For example, there is a real experience numbers have of being divisible by 5 or divisible by 6, but it is meaningless to speak of how it feels to be divisible by 7.

Divisibility by 7 is mere abstract formalism.
QED

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Re: Do you think numbers are real?
« Reply #89 on: December 14, 2019, 06:55:50 AM »
numbers are a jewish conspiracy