Do you think numbers are real?

[PogiJones]

This is my long-promised (as of 5 minutes ago) boring thread.

It seems pretty obvious numbers are real; after all, if I have an apple, and you give me another apple, I now have two apples, right?

Well, hang on; not so fast. The above thinking was exactly how I felt about it until like a day ago when I decided to argue the other side for fun.

The only way you have "2 apples" is if they are both "an apple." But what makes it an apple? Are they exactly the same? No; they've got enough things in common, though, for our brains to be satisfied thinking of them as the same thing, and therefore saying there are now 2 of the same thing.

In short, I'm now leaning toward numbers arising from categorization, rather than being something fundamental. There are no two completely identical things in the universe. Even electrons, which are so "the same" to our brains that we think of them as identical, are different from each other in terms of location and time and energy. There is no fundamental "2," because there is no completely 100% identical pair of anything. Just close enough for our brains to say, "Okay, that's the same."

[BIONIC]

I’d prefer the bore to shutdown forever than to have to suffer through pogi threads tbh

[Potato]

What if, like, the colour that I see as Red, you see as, like, Green?

[benjipwns]

Look at big brained Euler here with his .99999~ = 1 proof.

[PogiJones]

I’d prefer the bore to shutdown forever than to have to suffer through pogi threads tbh

Blame agra, he's the one that shamed me out of staying in the RE thread

[PogiJones]

What if, like, the colour that I see as Red, you see as, like, Green?

If this question is so cliche and elementary, then answer it. 

[Occam]

Numbers are a concept used to quantify reality in a way that makes it accessible to the human brain.

[Propagandhim]

Wiki mathematical platonism

[Transhuman]

baby's first weed

[Transhuman]

Electrons are the same btw

[benjipwns]

Actually, didn't something like this underlie why The Church refused to allow arabic numerials and related systems?

Remember to blame Pogi if they take Excel from my cold dead hands.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Obviously everything is down to categorisation cause thats how we make sense of the universe.

[Raist]

Some of them, yes. Look up imaginary numbers, sweetheart.

[BisMarckie]

Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Are Numbers Real Real Hahahaha Pogi Just Walk Away From The Calculator  Like Pogi Close Your Eyes Haha

[VomKriege]

504 Bag Gateway sure did seem real.

[PogiJones]

baby's first weed

Joke's on you, I'm still at weed 0, now what do you have to say for yourself

[thisismyusername]

I’d prefer the bore to shutdown forever than to have to suffer through pogi threads tbh

Blame agra, he's the one that shamed me out of staying in the RE thread

Yeah, but you could... you know... make good posts like showing hog.

[thisismyusername]

Ok, but non-shitpost realzies:

This is my long-promised (as of 5 minutes ago) boring thread.

It seems pretty obvious numbers are real; after all, if I have an apple, and you give me another apple, I now have two apples, right?

Well, hang on; not so fast. The above thinking was exactly how I felt about it until like a day ago when I decided to argue the other side for fun.

The only way you have "2 apples" is if they are both "an apple." But what makes it an apple? Are they exactly the same? No; they've got enough things in common, though, for our brains to be satisfied thinking of them as the same thing, and therefore saying there are now 2 of the same thing.

In short, I'm now leaning toward numbers arising from categorization, rather than being something fundamental. There are no two completely identical things in the universe. Even electrons, which are so "the same" to our brains that we think of them as identical, are different from each other in terms of location and time and energy. There is no fundamental "2," because there is no completely 100% identical pair of anything. Just close enough for our brains to say, "Okay, that's the same."

Flipside: What makes categorization more important than the numbers?

To use your example, we gain 2 "Apples." Who's to say you've given me an "apple?" For all we know, you could've given me an orange instead of an apple that just happens to be red and round.

Numbers don't even come into the equation (hah) when you are doing philosoraptor.jpg'ing. So, this thread kinda stops before it begins when you think of it like that.

[Ghoul]

certified autistic that's our Pogi!

[daemon]

If I slap your face 3 times they won't have the same energy and you won't feel the same, but I'm sure they will feel very real

[Great Rumbler]

It's just a friggin apple, man, you don't have to think so hard about it just eat 'em.

[CatsCatsCats]

Of course numbers are “real,” math is what the simulation runs on

[Joe Molotov]

the thread

[CatsCatsCats]

Wine dark sea etc

Wavelengths exist, color is concept

[ToxicAdam]

This poor imitation makes me miss recursivelynumerable.

It's like when mom made me eat store brand spaghetti-o's.

[Tasty]

Numbers are language; is language real?

[Clockwork5]

That depends on what the definition of "is" is.

Seriously though. Numbers are real in the sense that we use them and when used correctly provide an accurate explanation for real phenomenon. Think of distance or mass. A centimeter is identical to other centimeters. a gram is identical to other grams. We can count those and can accurately explain distance and mass using those concepts in conjunction with numbers.

[Occam]

Do you think you are real?

[EightBitNate]

https://twitter.com/terrencehoward/status/925754491881877507

[OnlyRegret]

[Cerveza mas fina]

This poor imitation makes me miss recursivelynumerable.

It's like when mom made me eat store brand spaghetti-o's.

Is this like a white mans version of Eddie Murphy's mom made me home made burgers?

[Great Rumbler]

https://twitter.com/terrencehoward/status/925754491881877507

[thisismyusername]

Now now., guys: Pogi's trying, ease off him a little.

If you must torpedo him: At least tell him to post hog to me. TYIA</Kara>.

[agrajag]

if an apple falls from the tree and there is no Pogi to write a carepost about it..m

[CatsCatsCats]

baby's first weed

Joke's on you, I'm still at weed 0, now what do you have to say for yourself

Smoke some weed

[agrajag]

smoke some weed to counteract whatever distinguished mentally-challenged you are currently going through

[thisismyusername]

He's a paralegal though...

Unless he doesn't have a law degree, and is able to find the next American Princess in which case...

[BisMarckie]

Paralegal?
Not even a real lawyer?

Don't talk to me ever again Pogi.

[Joe Molotov]

He lost his ability to legal in an automobile accident.

[thisismyusername]

Note: I have no clue if he is a paralegal. I was just making a Suits joke about avoiding weed.

[CatsCatsCats]

God damn I’m here for Joe jokes all FOOKEN day

[CatsCatsCats]

Note: I have no clue if he is a paralegal. I was just making a Suits joke about avoiding weed.

These are the kinds of posts I appreciate as an autist because I for sure was adding paralegal to my Pogi head cannon because I don’t know her.gif

[Sideshow Raheem]

What if cars drove YOU?

And, also, you wore socks on your HANDS?

[PogiJones]

Lol, y'all think I'm making up a dumb philosophical question, when in reality it's an extensive philosophical debate. A boring one to most, sure, but it's not a Jaden Smith  tweet.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nominalism-mathematics/



My unique(?) contribution is the argument that numbers rely on categorization to have any meaning, and categorization is just a human construct of estimation, an extremely useful tool that is by no means fundamental to the universe.

I'm not sure i fully buy my own argument, but it's made me at least reconsider my previous "Of course they're real as descriptors" position.

[Madrun Badrun]

We know it is.

[agrajag]

Next week Pogi discovers: solipsism.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

This is my long-promised (as of 5 minutes ago) boring thread.

It seems pretty obvious numbers are real; after all, if I have an apple, and you give me another apple, I now have two apples, right?

Well, hang on; not so fast. The above thinking was exactly how I felt about it until like a day ago when I decided to argue the other side for fun.

The only way you have "2 apples" is if they are both "an apple." But what makes it an apple? Are they exactly the same? No; they've got enough things in common, though, for our brains to be satisfied thinking of them as the same thing, and therefore saying there are now 2 of the same thing.

In short, I'm now leaning toward numbers arising from categorization, rather than being something fundamental. There are no two completely identical things in the universe. Even electrons, which are so "the same" to our brains that we think of them as identical, are different from each other in terms of location and time and energy. There is no fundamental "2," because there is no completely 100% identical pair of anything. Just close enough for our brains to say, "Okay, that's the same."

[Nintex]

Numbers are bullshit and just more proof that we live in a simulation.

We have different languages, different cultures, different everything. But somehow the same numbers.
This was programmed in folks.

[shosta]

Just because white people couldn't do it

Doesn't mean it's a simulation

[agrajag]

Nintex is proof we live in a simulation because no one could possibly be this dumb

[naff]

i went on a kojima level ontological daydream today about objective reality when someone trotted out the classic "don't worry about what other people think" line. i hate it (not that you should, it's just such a boring cliche). sure, people don't matter to you if you don't acknowledge them, but also, their perception (everyone's perception) is the only thing that gives anything meaning and rewards us. "im doing it for me" is bs. you're doing it for yourself and other people. objective reality outside of natural science is a collection subjective observations.

these thoughts also made me think i should read more 

[Raist]

Numbers are bullshit and just more proof that we live in a simulation.

We have different languages, different cultures, different everything. But somehow the same numbers.
This was programmed in folks.

 

[thisismyusername]

Pogi just post hog already.

[Nintex]

Numbers don't make much sense in some cases.
Take birthday's for example. When you celebrate your 20th birthday you have actually lived for 21 years.
When you are born, that is your first year of existence, year 1. Not year 0.

Everyone is actually one year older.
There's more shady stuff going on with numbers.

[OnlyRegret]

Pogi just post hog already.

you collecting them now or something?

[OnlyRegret]

Numbers don't make much sense in some cases.
Take birthday's for example. When you celebrate your 20th birthday you have actually lived for 21 years.
When you are born, that is your first year of existence, year 1. Not year 0.

Everyone is actually one year older.
There's more shady stuff going on with numbers.

that isn't an issue with numbers you windmill licker

[bluemax]

According to the girl I'm seeing there are certain philosophers of math who would say that no, numbers are not real.

[TVC15]

baby's first weed

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Pogi, you’re a sweetheart, but this is even less interesting than most of the content here.

[thisismyusername]

Pogi just post hog already.

you collecting them now or something?

They're my Pokemon game, yes. 

[Great Rumbler]

Take birthday's for example. When you celebrate your 20th birthday you have actually lived for 21 years.

That's not how birthdays work.