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benjipwns

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5520 on: December 11, 2019, 07:24:37 AM »
Oh, so this shit is a widespread opinion? I thought it was just some Era bullshit.
They get everything from Twitter.

BisMarckie

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« Reply #5521 on: December 11, 2019, 07:26:28 AM »
Widespread is also stretching it. It is just a very very vocal minority throwing fits about this.

IIRC twitter said that 5% of the users are responsible for 80% or so of the total tweets.

Ghoul

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5522 on: December 11, 2019, 07:27:03 AM »
They already cured Autism, micro drinking bleach.

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« Reply #5523 on: December 11, 2019, 07:29:49 AM »
FACT CHECK: This guy Snowy Month Time in the replies has over 38,000 tweets and 347 followers   :doge
Torako 32,500 tweets, 404 followers.
Festive Johnny 26,000 tweets 184 followers

Ghoul

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5524 on: December 11, 2019, 07:34:02 AM »
FACT CHECK: This guy Snowy Month Time in the replies has over 38,000 tweets and 347 followers   :doge
Torako 32,500 tweets, 404 followers.
Festive Johnny 26,000 tweets 184 followers

Banned for tweet count shaming.


Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5526 on: December 11, 2019, 08:07:31 AM »
User banned (1 week): Mod-whining, misrepresenting moderation (the cited member was banned for harassing another member, not for criticizing TLJ), derailing and hostility over a series of posts + history of infractions for hostility and mod-whining

Wow @ Elegant Weapon catching a ONE MONTH BAN in that thread for complaining about this and the representation of black people in the Star Wars franchise. Any mods care to explain this?

ban explanations in ban explanations

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5527 on: December 11, 2019, 08:08:51 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/time%E2%80%99s-person-of-the-year-is-greta-thunberg.158542/

I love this quote:

"Hell yes. And grown adults will freak out about it."

Isn't most of ERA in their 30s and 40s lol. Guys posting about 90s nostalgia aren't in their 20s.  You guys are the grown adults!

What the heck?! People in their 20s and younger are on IG, Twitch, Discords, not forums.

HaughtyFrank

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5528 on: December 11, 2019, 08:19:00 AM »

Tweet error (does not exist)

https://twitter.com/ReeraTakes/status/1204732195388248065

How can't they see that they're the other side of the horseshoe?

Rman

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5529 on: December 11, 2019, 08:19:30 AM »
BTW, isn't it really fucking funny how criticizing a fucking star wars movie is a bannable offense. Like to be really real I can understand how moderating discussions such as the Israel/Palestine conflict, the holocaust, 9/11, Cops shooting unarmed black men, etc. can be tough to parse through as a moderator due to emotions involved in them with the added difficulty of each of these subjects being rife with often believed conspiracy theories and such. But when ResetEra's equivalent of that is most games and moves you know you have a fucked up user base.

ERA has attached itself to the new trilogy much like Old GAF did with the mediocre Ghostbusters 2016.  You can't criticize certain aspects of it without being seen as a suspect. See the Angry Video Game Nerd, who still to this day, is seen as an alt-right enabler because he didn't have an interest in watching a garbage reboot.

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5530 on: December 11, 2019, 08:28:57 AM »
please do not post alt-right gateway fee-males
spoiler (click to show/hide)

Spoiler or soiler? :gopnik
this is not a very flattering angle for this woman's face

nachobro

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« Reply #5531 on: December 11, 2019, 08:30:56 AM »
Oh, so this shit is a widespread opinion? I thought it was just some Era bullshit.
resetti is just a more reactionary twitter, but neither is representative of real people

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5532 on: December 11, 2019, 08:31:37 AM »
Normal people: That Ghostbusters 2016 reboot was pretty bad. It was poorly directed, the script was a mess and it wasted some seriously good comedic talent.

REEEsetera: You just hate teh womenz U misogynist! 
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« Reply #5533 on: December 11, 2019, 08:55:21 AM »
That one of the guy standing up from a desk I see get posted all the time, it just has the ResetERA.com logo swapped in at the end.

Now you mention it, yeah, have seen that, though it feels out of place imo given how its history made more sense on GAF (I'd be curious if the member whose uncle it was is on RE). GIFs like groups of people throwing fits and the one where the guy burns his own car at a gas station are more the ones I'm thinking of. Not exactly high art but along with other little things collectively added some flavor to the board if they weren't run into the ground.

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« Reply #5534 on: December 11, 2019, 09:01:08 AM »





benjipwns

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5535 on: December 11, 2019, 09:20:30 AM »
User banned (1 month): sexism over a series of posts

I don't get it, devs work to be inclusive to the point of adding gender to monster aliens that kill people and the best people come up with is "I don't like this design?" I feel like the devs added something didn't have to and no one would have even noticed, but because this model doesn't look like some unfeminine roid monster someone once wrote about it's horrible? I really feel people miss the forest for the trees(they don't like). We are living in an age where female representation in games is getting more and more mainstream but we can't celebrate anything we can only complain when that representation doesn't match what we feel it should look like. Like the representation doesn't count because you don't like boob plates. Sigh. I think the design is cool and I like the fact they made a female murder machine that looks just as capable as the other predators.
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Nobody is saying that. What I'm saying is for all the complaints about female characters in games, no one ever says good job or that's creative and inclusive. This is a cool looking character, let's try leading with that.
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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5536 on: December 11, 2019, 09:45:26 AM »
please do not post alt-right gateway fee-males
spoiler (click to show/hide)

Spoiler or soiler? :gopnik
this is not a very flattering angle for this woman's face

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5537 on: December 11, 2019, 09:47:22 AM »
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Why would a Predator even bothering covering up an unarmored breast.

Slickness activated.

BisMarckie

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5538 on: December 11, 2019, 09:50:34 AM »
That this level of misogyny only yields a one month ban is the reason why marginalized groups like female predators are leaving in droves.

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5539 on: December 11, 2019, 09:52:10 AM »
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It is not power that corrupts, but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it.

-Aung San Suu Kyi

This is my new favourite ironic quote

Rman

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5540 on: December 11, 2019, 10:07:38 AM »
Widespread is also stretching it. It is just a very very vocal minority throwing fits about this.

IIRC twitter said that 5% of the users are responsible for 80% or so of the total tweets.
This is why woke Twitter still doesn't get why Biden is leading.  I despise Biden, btw.  But old folks love him. And old folks vote reliably.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5542 on: December 11, 2019, 10:20:14 AM »
I love how the tweet that provoked a multi-page thread about female Predator anatomy and the male gaze was making fun of how that representation was going to trigger the GG types.


Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5544 on: December 11, 2019, 10:30:57 AM »
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We're aware and are contacting the ad company. I'm hoping we can get this fixed quickly.

I like how they won't deactivate them though.

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5545 on: December 11, 2019, 10:38:29 AM »
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We're aware and are contacting the ad company. I'm hoping we can get this fixed quickly.

I like how they won't deactivate them though.

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nachobro

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« Reply #5546 on: December 11, 2019, 10:52:28 AM »
uh oh, someone disagreed with krejlooc again over something completely innocuous. this time a game wasn't made the way he wanted and people are suggesting maybe not everything has to be for everyone. that means it's meltdown time!

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This is such a mind blowingly bad post. Painting what is being done here as some sort of bad boy rebel VR image is just... wow. There is no benefit to what is being described as the problem to users. Nobody likes the feeling of their VR body doing things the user did not intend. Even if it doesn't make you sick, it still doesn't feel good or have any tangible benefit. You're basically saying these really weird, unnatural glitches are a feature, not a bug.

The things you think are being described, that you like, are not mutually exclusive of the "rules." The "rules" are inclusive of the things you think nobody else is doing (but actually are). The "rules" being broken that are being criticized are outright bugs. Bugs that are, best case scenario, only occasionally annoying, and worst case scenario, will make someone extremely sick. These bugs are not necessary for any sort of artificial locomotion method or IK implementation or physics simulation you think you want. You can have all those things without the kind of obviously negative bugs inherent in their design. There is quite literally no upside to what is being described here.

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there are plenty of physics driven VR titles already. It's not the physics that are the problem it's this specific implementation of the physics. They are doing things incorrectly, when they can achieve the exact same goals in a different way without making lots of people sick. None of this problem is with the concept, it's entirely their execution. The fault is entirely with their execution, which seems to come from not really paying attention to the last 5 years of iteration and coordination from the wider VR development sphere. These are things other developers have already attempted, got wrong, and discussed how to do right.

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These are problems that were widely discussed and sorted out 5 years ago. Developers like me are being "sour fucking heads" because we are trying to impart the lessons we already learned on how to fix this.

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It's not being overblown, VR sickness is a very widespread and well discussed issue. It's one of the most constantly harped upon parts of VR design.

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Posts like this feel like an extremely poor and misguided attempt at character assassination. What exactly have you contributed to the topic beyond attacking my character, calling me a "sour fucking head?"

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It IS designed wrong, the things the game is doing is not their intended effect. Their physics model is not matching the intended tracking of the players. The post you are "agreeing" with is asking why I'm not "finding solutions" when this thread, and tons of threads prior, have been about sharing research. Explaining in detail the faults and why they are faults and specifically how they are being done wrong is not a "teardown." I am speaking from experience, because in my own dev work, I have run into these exact same issues before, years prior, and am sharing the solutions discovered -- not just by me, but by hundreds of other VR developers who freely collaborate on developer forums. Our HL2VR mod work predates consumer positional tracking headsets. I've been doing this, solving these kinds of problems, since before VR headsets were even 6DOF and thus subject to these kinds of problems, through hacked together bespoke hardware.

It very honestly sounds like you don't want to hear any sort of discussion on what the game is doing wrong, simply because you want to like the game. I want to like it too, that is why I am so vocal about the faults. If I didn't want this game to be fixed, I wouldn't be spending my time, writing detailed posts of what is going wrong, why those things going wrong are detrimental to the industry, and how many other developers have tackled and solved those problems. A big, high profile game like this having these kinds of faults hurts the entire industry, it comes back to me as a developer. Their game does a lot of other things well, but they are all pointless if many people cannot play the game without getting sick. All the good design the game actually does gets pushed aside if the game can't be played by a not-insignificant portion of the potential userbase. These kinds of faults give VR a stigma that many developers have been working very hard to shed for years now already. Expecting people not to speak up and point out the faults is lunacy.

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*developer sticks hand into fire holding an ear of corn to cook it, advises others to stick their hand into fire*

Me: "Don't stick your hand into fire, I did that before in the past, it will burn you and hurt. That's a bad idea. Here is the proper way to cook corn without burning your hand. You can eat your corn without burning your hand."

Others: "Why are you so critical? At least they are trying something new! I LIKE that they're willing to cook corn, breaking those rules. Fire doesn't bother me at all, so YMMV. It's only day 1, maybe tomorrow sticking your hand into the fire will feel better? Sounds like you just are some sort of corn hater, running a hate campaign against fire. Try offering solutions next time!"

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This is the number 1 selling game on Steam right now. Telling people on one of the most active gaming forums the faults with this game, so they understand why they are getting sick, why the game is not reacting correctly to their input, and how those problems are not inherent to the medium, is very important. This is a topic aimed at the consumers who buy the game. I have been diligent in explaining the problem in multiple posts, to explain to potential buyers that solutions already exist.

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I am not limited to a single post on twitter. Do not speak for me. I also post on VR developer forums not open to the general public. Trying to relay gamedev information on steam forums is not conducive to good discussion. I am not ignorant of ways to convey this information. This is explicitly a consumer-facing thread.

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To clarify for people questioning my posts ITT, I think my frank style of speech -- which is how I actually speak IRL -- throws people off in this (and other) threads. Speaking passionately is not the same as being angry or riled up. Text is often colder and more dry than intended. The same sentence can be interpreted as anger when it's merely an especially effortful attempt at conveying what is in my head. When I talk about things of a technical nature, I often struggle when writing posts to keep things from being too verbose, which results in a lot of curt sounding statements that are actually just attempts at brevity. I often am choosing what information to omit, because I can honestly talk about these issues at length for hours. And when I realize in subsequent posts that I haven't explained myself correctly, it's a race to re-convey that information before the original post and point gets lost as the thread moves along. That's also why I frequently edit old posts, I'm constantly second guessing myself about whether I conveyed things adequately, because I can't be sure what the base level of knowledge for the person I'm speaking to is about the subject at hand.

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I don't get how people in this topic keep misunderstanding that this isn't about comfort. What is being criticized is not their decision to build a game intended for quote hardcore players.

What is being criticized is their failure at doing so. As a hardcore sim, their game is broken. They spent a ton of time working on physics, but their physics model is broken. Considering the level of detail in their gun model, their physics model works against it. Their design decisions are literally going against their intended goal. They aren't hitting their mark, and even worse, there is an additional, much more troublesome side effect of their decisions actually making people sick.

There are ways to build "hardcore" games without "comfort" options that don't make people sick like this. It is not "hardcore" to have the game push you around the world in unintended ways. There are clear ways to solve this problem, which have been established for years now.

Notice how games like other popular VR games like Pavlov, which also have no comfort options, don't invite this type of discussion. The problem is that their design decisions are doing fundamentally wrong things that yield sickness. Things that, for example, ruin their gunplay model at the same time. Things that work against their climbing mechanic. Things that inhibit people's ability to use the intended controls. That also have the very bad side effect of being one of the things that happens to make people the very most sick.

VR games need to not make people sick like this. The ways this is making people sick, are not good for any VR game's goals. Including this game. You are pretty much defending the existence of unintended bugs as though they are deliberate design decisions.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/highly-anticipated-vr-title-boneworks-is-a-collection-of-vr-sins.158449/page-6

this isn't even all his posts on the page :lol

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5547 on: December 11, 2019, 10:53:00 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/there-are-threads-on-the-last-page-with-0-replies.158505/#post-27266625

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I have three threads with just 1 reply and one thread with 3 replies. It seems more about timing sometimes, hitting the US time zones

Ah yes, it's the time zones..

HaughtyFrank

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5548 on: December 11, 2019, 10:54:27 AM »
User banned (1 month): sexism over a series of posts

I don't get it, devs work to be inclusive to the point of adding gender to monster aliens that kill people and the best people come up with is "I don't like this design?" I feel like the devs added something didn't have to and no one would have even noticed, but because this model doesn't look like some unfeminine roid monster someone once wrote about it's horrible? I really feel people miss the forest for the trees(they don't like). We are living in an age where female representation in games is getting more and more mainstream but we can't celebrate anything we can only complain when that representation doesn't match what we feel it should look like. Like the representation doesn't count because you don't like boob plates. Sigh. I think the design is cool and I like the fact they made a female murder machine that looks just as capable as the other predators.
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Nobody is saying that. What I'm saying is for all the complaints about female characters in games, no one ever says good job or that's creative and inclusive. This is a cool looking character, let's try leading with that.
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1 month for not agreeing with the premise of the thread  :lol

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5549 on: December 11, 2019, 11:06:18 AM »
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How could you possibly not identify that these people aren’t ‘good’? My dad as a child mostly played football, played on his bike and hung around with his friends. Nothing wrong with that. Sounds pretty great to be honest.

I did the same as well, but I also watched a lot of cartoons and films. Star Wars, Transformers, Masters of the Universe, Thundercats, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. All of these would have a series of heroes and a core central villain. The stories these shows told would also have a morality tale behind them.

When you were partying, I studied the history of transformers. When you were having premarital sex, I mastered the Star Wars lore. While you wasted your days at the gym in pursuit of vanity, I cultivated my morality. And now that the world is on fire and the barbarians are at the gate you have the audacity to come to me for help.

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« Reply #5550 on: December 11, 2019, 11:09:58 AM »
Wow these ‘ad teams’ really are dropping the ball! 😯
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« Reply #5551 on: December 11, 2019, 11:12:29 AM »
crazy how every other non-shit website on the internet doesn't have this issue. probably a coincidence :doge

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« Reply #5552 on: December 11, 2019, 11:16:15 AM »
crazy how every other non-shit website on the internet doesn't have this issue. probably a coincidence :doge
Big Ad in the pocket of alt-right benefactors, trying to keep progressive voices silent 🤯
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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5553 on: December 11, 2019, 11:21:27 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/there-are-threads-on-the-last-page-with-0-replies.158505/#post-27266625

Quote from: Messofanego
I have three threads with just 1 reply and one thread with 3 replies. It seems more about timing sometimes, hitting the US time zones

Ah yes, it's the time zones..

Yes, same reason why my posts here don't get many likes.

HaughtyFrank

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5554 on: December 11, 2019, 12:01:50 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/are-boomers-white.158523/

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Whenever i see someone say "ok Boomer" or some shit about how much privelege the Baby Boomers have, how much they owned, how easy their lives were, i can only picture it being true of white people and even more specifically white men. I mean, inequality was a major issue in that generation. Not everyone had it easy. In fact alot of older non-white people had it fucking hard. And to those people the "ok boomer" shit just comes of as extremely disrespectful.

So is my understanding acurate or am i off the mark and missing something?

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5555 on: December 11, 2019, 12:04:13 PM »
I'm not ugly enough

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« Reply #5556 on: December 11, 2019, 12:11:05 PM »
Tell George RR Martin to get off his hog and finish Winds of Winter.
Oi Oi

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5557 on: December 11, 2019, 01:15:46 PM »
uh oh, someone disagreed with krejlooc again over something completely innocuous. this time a game wasn't made the way he wanted and people are suggesting maybe not everything has to be for everyone. that means it's meltdown time!

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This is such a mind blowingly bad post. Painting what is being done here as some sort of bad boy rebel VR image is just... wow. There is no benefit to what is being described as the problem to users. Nobody likes the feeling of their VR body doing things the user did not intend. Even if it doesn't make you sick, it still doesn't feel good or have any tangible benefit. You're basically saying these really weird, unnatural glitches are a feature, not a bug.

The things you think are being described, that you like, are not mutually exclusive of the "rules." The "rules" are inclusive of the things you think nobody else is doing (but actually are). The "rules" being broken that are being criticized are outright bugs. Bugs that are, best case scenario, only occasionally annoying, and worst case scenario, will make someone extremely sick. These bugs are not necessary for any sort of artificial locomotion method or IK implementation or physics simulation you think you want. You can have all those things without the kind of obviously negative bugs inherent in their design. There is quite literally no upside to what is being described here.

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there are plenty of physics driven VR titles already. It's not the physics that are the problem it's this specific implementation of the physics. They are doing things incorrectly, when they can achieve the exact same goals in a different way without making lots of people sick. None of this problem is with the concept, it's entirely their execution. The fault is entirely with their execution, which seems to come from not really paying attention to the last 5 years of iteration and coordination from the wider VR development sphere. These are things other developers have already attempted, got wrong, and discussed how to do right.

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These are problems that were widely discussed and sorted out 5 years ago. Developers like me are being "sour fucking heads" because we are trying to impart the lessons we already learned on how to fix this.

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It's not being overblown, VR sickness is a very widespread and well discussed issue. It's one of the most constantly harped upon parts of VR design.

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Posts like this feel like an extremely poor and misguided attempt at character assassination. What exactly have you contributed to the topic beyond attacking my character, calling me a "sour fucking head?"

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It IS designed wrong, the things the game is doing is not their intended effect. Their physics model is not matching the intended tracking of the players. The post you are "agreeing" with is asking why I'm not "finding solutions" when this thread, and tons of threads prior, have been about sharing research. Explaining in detail the faults and why they are faults and specifically how they are being done wrong is not a "teardown." I am speaking from experience, because in my own dev work, I have run into these exact same issues before, years prior, and am sharing the solutions discovered -- not just by me, but by hundreds of other VR developers who freely collaborate on developer forums. Our HL2VR mod work predates consumer positional tracking headsets. I've been doing this, solving these kinds of problems, since before VR headsets were even 6DOF and thus subject to these kinds of problems, through hacked together bespoke hardware.

It very honestly sounds like you don't want to hear any sort of discussion on what the game is doing wrong, simply because you want to like the game. I want to like it too, that is why I am so vocal about the faults. If I didn't want this game to be fixed, I wouldn't be spending my time, writing detailed posts of what is going wrong, why those things going wrong are detrimental to the industry, and how many other developers have tackled and solved those problems. A big, high profile game like this having these kinds of faults hurts the entire industry, it comes back to me as a developer. Their game does a lot of other things well, but they are all pointless if many people cannot play the game without getting sick. All the good design the game actually does gets pushed aside if the game can't be played by a not-insignificant portion of the potential userbase. These kinds of faults give VR a stigma that many developers have been working very hard to shed for years now already. Expecting people not to speak up and point out the faults is lunacy.

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*developer sticks hand into fire holding an ear of corn to cook it, advises others to stick their hand into fire*

Me: "Don't stick your hand into fire, I did that before in the past, it will burn you and hurt. That's a bad idea. Here is the proper way to cook corn without burning your hand. You can eat your corn without burning your hand."

Others: "Why are you so critical? At least they are trying something new! I LIKE that they're willing to cook corn, breaking those rules. Fire doesn't bother me at all, so YMMV. It's only day 1, maybe tomorrow sticking your hand into the fire will feel better? Sounds like you just are some sort of corn hater, running a hate campaign against fire. Try offering solutions next time!"

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This is the number 1 selling game on Steam right now. Telling people on one of the most active gaming forums the faults with this game, so they understand why they are getting sick, why the game is not reacting correctly to their input, and how those problems are not inherent to the medium, is very important. This is a topic aimed at the consumers who buy the game. I have been diligent in explaining the problem in multiple posts, to explain to potential buyers that solutions already exist.

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I am not limited to a single post on twitter. Do not speak for me. I also post on VR developer forums not open to the general public. Trying to relay gamedev information on steam forums is not conducive to good discussion. I am not ignorant of ways to convey this information. This is explicitly a consumer-facing thread.

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To clarify for people questioning my posts ITT, I think my frank style of speech -- which is how I actually speak IRL -- throws people off in this (and other) threads. Speaking passionately is not the same as being angry or riled up. Text is often colder and more dry than intended. The same sentence can be interpreted as anger when it's merely an especially effortful attempt at conveying what is in my head. When I talk about things of a technical nature, I often struggle when writing posts to keep things from being too verbose, which results in a lot of curt sounding statements that are actually just attempts at brevity. I often am choosing what information to omit, because I can honestly talk about these issues at length for hours. And when I realize in subsequent posts that I haven't explained myself correctly, it's a race to re-convey that information before the original post and point gets lost as the thread moves along. That's also why I frequently edit old posts, I'm constantly second guessing myself about whether I conveyed things adequately, because I can't be sure what the base level of knowledge for the person I'm speaking to is about the subject at hand.

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I don't get how people in this topic keep misunderstanding that this isn't about comfort. What is being criticized is not their decision to build a game intended for quote hardcore players.

What is being criticized is their failure at doing so. As a hardcore sim, their game is broken. They spent a ton of time working on physics, but their physics model is broken. Considering the level of detail in their gun model, their physics model works against it. Their design decisions are literally going against their intended goal. They aren't hitting their mark, and even worse, there is an additional, much more troublesome side effect of their decisions actually making people sick.

There are ways to build "hardcore" games without "comfort" options that don't make people sick like this. It is not "hardcore" to have the game push you around the world in unintended ways. There are clear ways to solve this problem, which have been established for years now.

Notice how games like other popular VR games like Pavlov, which also have no comfort options, don't invite this type of discussion. The problem is that their design decisions are doing fundamentally wrong things that yield sickness. Things that, for example, ruin their gunplay model at the same time. Things that work against their climbing mechanic. Things that inhibit people's ability to use the intended controls. That also have the very bad side effect of being one of the things that happens to make people the very most sick.

VR games need to not make people sick like this. The ways this is making people sick, are not good for any VR game's goals. Including this game. You are pretty much defending the existence of unintended bugs as though they are deliberate design decisions.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/highly-anticipated-vr-title-boneworks-is-a-collection-of-vr-sins.158449/page-6

this isn't even all his posts on the page :lol

I've had my Index for about a week, only played a bit of Superhot and Trover, and I sunk 3 hours straight into Boneworks last night. My computer isn't that great, so I'm on low settings with about 70% resolution scale. I didn't have any sickness, and I had a great time playing the game.

GreatSageEqualOfHeaven

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« Reply #5558 on: December 11, 2019, 01:18:02 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/just-quit-my-job-today-didnt-show-up.158435/

Bunch of fucking manbabies.

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I come in and find out my department is having our BDC meeting, which was a very demoralizing hour and a half long meeting where we show nothing but an upward trend since I started to work there

:confused

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5559 on: December 11, 2019, 01:28:58 PM »
User banned (1 week): Mod-whining, misrepresenting moderation (the cited member was banned for harassing another member, not for criticizing TLJ), derailing and hostility over a series of posts + history of infractions for hostility and mod-whining

Wow @ Elegant Weapon catching a ONE MONTH BAN in that thread for complaining about this and the representation of black people in the Star Wars franchise. Any mods care to explain this?

ban explanations in ban explanations

we in this now

they had to clarify it definitely wasn't for criticising Disneys Lucasfilms Star Wars, because most of the fucking mods all have star wars avatars right now and thats just Bad Optics

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5561 on: December 11, 2019, 01:34:26 PM »
I've had my Index for about a week, only played a bit of Superhot and Trover, and I sunk 3 hours straight into Boneworks last night. My computer isn't that great, so I'm on low settings with about 70% resolution scale. I didn't have any sickness, and I had a great time playing the game.
Personally I'm waiting til I feel more comfortable in VR but it does look like a lot of fun. Lone Echo is a "moderate comfort" VR game and that was messing with me a bit/

I don't really see the need to throw a tantrum cause a dev is experimenting in a new field even if they do "break the rules of VR"....but it's making me laugh either way. I'm loving the complete meltdown over "maybe its okay if this game isn't for everyone" :lol

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5562 on: December 11, 2019, 01:35:12 PM »

Tweet error (does not exist)

https://twitter.com/VoicesOfViolet/status/1204520621947805696

wut

"leftist" self diagnosed autists bombing abortion clinics when?

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5563 on: December 11, 2019, 01:56:45 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/michael-jackson-melly-r-kelly-ryan-adams-streams-plays-all-up-or-steady-after-they-were-canceled.158584/post-27277559

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Half the country voted for Trump as president. You think they're going to stop listening to Thriller?
Are you saying listening to Thriller is worse or as bad as voting for Trump?

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5564 on: December 11, 2019, 01:58:50 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/michael-jackson-melly-r-kelly-ryan-adams-streams-plays-all-up-or-steady-after-they-were-canceled.158584/post-27277738

Stinkles having his usual Grandpa Simpson post :

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But I'm not going to live in a world where people get to live in their own reality and I have to argue about it.

That's the spirit !
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OnlyRegret

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5565 on: December 11, 2019, 01:59:45 PM »
is he threatening suicide?

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« Reply #5566 on: December 11, 2019, 02:03:57 PM »
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I'm too old and tired to respond to another delusional MJ fan who starts with "I haven't seen the documentary but those kids lied to get money."

how often is this happening to him?

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« Reply #5567 on: December 11, 2019, 02:06:05 PM »
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ive never actively contributed money to the Jackson family, not once. the records i've purchased have always been second hand. that's pretty much where I stand on this. i just dont do it.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/michael-jackson-melly-r-kelly-ryan-adams-streams-plays-all-up-or-steady-after-they-were-canceled.158584/post-27280198

truly a hero for the ages

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5568 on: December 11, 2019, 02:10:08 PM »
Doesn't Stinkles have a next gen launch game to develop?  ???
🤴

VomKriege

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5569 on: December 11, 2019, 02:14:01 PM »
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My mom, for example, is a hardcore MJ fan and anytime I bring up the allegations she gives me the old "white-owned media always tries to destroy successful black men" conspiracy theory

If that's a conspiracy theory, lots of bans forthcoming.
 :lucille

https://www.resetera.com/threads/michael-jackson-melly-r-kelly-ryan-adams-streams-plays-all-up-or-steady-after-they-were-canceled.158584/post-27279584
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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5570 on: December 11, 2019, 02:17:04 PM »
ど助平

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5571 on: December 11, 2019, 02:18:22 PM »
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Most of the times I've seen "Ok boomer" it was being used in defense of some really odious alt-right opinions.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/will-our-generation-eventually-become-the-baddies.158493/post-27280747
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« Reply #5572 on: December 11, 2019, 02:25:33 PM »
https://kotaku.com/ninja-is-a-regular-human-being-who-definitely-knows-how-1840368361

Did this really need an article written about it? :dizzy
:mindblown

pls do not vilify the most important journalistic outlet of our times. its definitely not an article written by a spiteful twat for no reason other than to embarrass someone else for no reason while also saying "i'm trying to be kind".

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5573 on: December 11, 2019, 02:27:54 PM »
https://kotaku.com/ninja-is-a-regular-human-being-who-definitely-knows-how-1840368361

Did this really need an article written about it? :dizzy
:mindblown

lmao, expected a heather alexandria byline before even clicking

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5574 on: December 11, 2019, 02:35:53 PM »
who the fuck is melly?
(ice)

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5575 on: December 11, 2019, 02:47:42 PM »

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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5576 on: December 11, 2019, 02:52:22 PM »
Smart of them to use the union things as avatars on their site. Makes it easier for management  8)
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Re: DOJ |OT| SUMMIT NOW SUMMIT NOW
« Reply #5577 on: December 11, 2019, 03:07:41 PM »
https://kotaku.com/ninja-is-a-regular-human-being-who-definitely-knows-how-1840368361

Did this really need an article written about it? :dizzy
:mindblown
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That said: It’s a sandwich. It’s a sandwich? It’s a sandwich.
Well meme'd.  ;)

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« Reply #5579 on: December 11, 2019, 04:00:09 PM »
RE going all "fuck the justice system!" over a civil suit settlement

https://www.resetera.com/threads/harvey-weinstein-former-studio-reach-tentative-25-million-deal-with-his-accusers-civil-suit-no-admission-of-wrongdoing-or-pay-any-of-his-own-money.158639/

REE would love nothing more than to bring back public executions of the people they don't like. No justice short of a firing squad of non-binary women of color would be good enough for them.