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zwart piet appreciation thread
« on: December 03, 2019, 12:39:05 PM »
https://twitter.com/redfishstream/status/1201888944784232449

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is this what they mean when they say nintex is brown  :thinking
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« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2019, 12:40:36 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2019, 12:42:02 PM »
black pete appreciation thread  ;)
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« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2019, 01:14:01 PM »
:nope Dutch "culture"
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2019, 01:19:08 PM »
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« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2019, 02:37:31 PM »
Nobody cared about this at all.
Then some unemployed people got bored and decided Zwarte Piet was racist and REEEEE'd about it.

The woke TV people quickly moved in with Rainbow Piet until they decided to go with just some dirt stripes on their faces or Chimney Piet.
It is literally a 1 day celebration (2 if you count the day Sinterklaas arrives).

The most pathetic bunch outside of the violent pro/anti Piet people are those that go on the internet to cry about how "ashamed" they are.
"OMG I'm depressed and can't sleep because of Zwarte Piet REEEEEE" fucktards.

It's a fun and harmless celebration according to the majority of the population.

This won't change for another 30 - 50 years or so. Until the farmland is barren and the boomers are all dead.
The progressives in the cities forget there's a large group of conservative people living in the country side.
And a whole bunch of what they consider the "far right" along the coastline.
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Re: zwart piet appreciation thread
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2019, 03:13:37 PM »
belgium isn't a real country

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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2019, 03:23:07 PM »
belgium is a kind of dutch waffle I believe

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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2019, 03:23:45 PM »
The only Dutch person I know is a woman whose father is Indian and her mother white Dutch. When they celebrate Christmas, someone in their family dresses up as Zwarte Piet in full traditional makeup.
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2019, 03:35:07 PM »
is this what they mean when they say nintex is brown  :thinking

Nintex, you got lots of esplainin to do  :dolezal
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2019, 04:51:32 PM »
belgium isn't a real country

At last year's world cup they looked pretty damn real to me. :whew

You mean the event that globalists use to appease the sheep? I guess.

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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2019, 04:52:49 PM »
These issues are picked because you get a lot of attention and you can rile up groups of people to create unrest.
It wouldn't surprise me if Chinese, Turkish or Russian bots even amplified the Zwarte Piet divide. It certainly looks like a classic psy-op.
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2019, 04:54:46 PM »
ok, Rachel Maddow

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2019, 05:54:10 PM »
Every country has rednecks.


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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2019, 06:05:24 PM »
The timeline of this was very simple:
1. Call everyone a bunch of racists for no reason
2. Get ignored
3. Call everyone a bunch of racists because they enjoy Sinterklaas
4. Get ignored and mad that the people you called racists for no reason don't listen to you and enjoy their holiday

People were willing to engage with the anti-Piet movement until they decided to threaten children and disturb the festivities.

There have actually been some solutions discussed such as a referendum on Zwarte Piet.
But that would be a 90% blowout victory for the pro-Piet camp so they won't dare put this to a public vote.
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2019, 06:07:17 PM »
oh no not the festivities
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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2019, 06:19:36 PM »
Also the anti-Zwarte Piet people were dumb enough to make children cry live on TV by yelling at them that they were racists in front of the cameras.  :lol

In other news, I ran into Piet and Sint when I went shopping the other day and he gave me some Pepernoten  8)
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2019, 06:41:44 PM »
1. Call everyone a bunch of racists for no reason

Why yes, there's no reason to call it racist. Not at all, nope.
The people that promoted this called everyone racists before they brought up Zwarte Piet.
That didn't work so they had to find something to latch onto.

After a few tries of finding something for their identity politics war (from street signs to police evicting squatters) they settled on Zwarte Piet because it gave them media attention.
The chairman of the anti Zwarte Pieten group famously said: "Some will sing in protest, others may bring their baseball bats to the parade. I believe both should be done."
Most of the organizers have been arrested multiple times (usually before the holidays begin) because they threaten with a terror attack of some sort on social media.
The anti-Zwarte Piet movement peaked in 2017 or so and has been losing support since last year.

The main problem is that the government or rather ruling party refuses to take a clear stance on this. Officially their position is that the government should not intervene in these matters.
Unofficially their position is that the tradition should be kept as is as long as the celebrations are respectful. That means that instead of the losing group protesting the government the radical pro and anti-Piet people have started to fight each other.
Leaving the police to clean up and deal with the mess.
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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2019, 07:10:14 PM »
it's about ethics in blackface journalism

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2019, 07:11:42 PM »
Heritage not hate
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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2019, 07:33:46 PM »
The only Dutch person I know is a woman whose father is Indian and her mother white Dutch. When they celebrate Christmas, someone in their family dresses up as Zwarte Piet in full traditional makeup.

It would save a lot of time to just have pops do it.

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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2019, 07:39:32 PM »
wtf is nontex talking about? the people that brought this up were calling everyone racists before they brought this up? who are these people specifically?

so many questions!

i love Holland, but we are a far cry from the Dutch golden age. this makes the country seem like a cultural backwater unwilling to progress (kinda is). your immigrant communities overwhelming find piet offensive. stop being fucks.
« Last Edit: December 03, 2019, 09:13:02 PM by naff »
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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2019, 07:48:17 PM »
It's pretty funny how nintex gets triggered over some dumb dutch thing like an American boomer foaming at the mouth about Colin Kaepernick.

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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2019, 07:51:33 PM »
Nintex: "lolololol I'm detached from the world's problems and laugh at all the chaos!"

Also Nintex: "HOW DARE THESE PEOPLE GET IN THE WAY OF CELEBRATING OUR CULTURE"
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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2019, 08:31:01 PM »
What does swarthy Pete even do?

He is basically Dutch Santa?

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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2019, 08:38:14 PM »
Santa's swarthy helper

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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2019, 08:49:25 PM »
Is he paid?

If not it’s super sus.

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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2019, 09:03:54 PM »
Every country has rednecks.

Even NYC for god sakes has rednecks living there...
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« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2019, 10:26:45 PM »
Krampus is a million times cooler of a Nega-Santa, and not disgustingly racist to boot.
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« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2019, 10:29:17 PM »
it would take less effort to just put on the silly costumes without painting your face black. at best it's cultural appropriation and at worst it's an entire country of justin trudeaus  :trumps
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« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2019, 10:36:14 PM »
Krampus is a million times cooler of a Nega-Santa, and not disgustingly racist to boot.
BisMarkie, like this post if you're thinking what I'm thinking.

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« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2019, 10:43:10 PM »
Krampus is a million times cooler of a Nega-Santa, and not disgustingly racist to boot.
BisMarkie, like this post if you're thinking what I'm thinking.

At least he didn't use the hard-r :yeshrug

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« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2019, 11:01:05 PM »
We also have something similar to this in SA around new year,  it started as a minstrel show originally, which was of course racist as fuck, but coloured people locally said 'fuck this is actually fun' changed the face paint and it's still going on as a day long parade of musical troops marathon walking around the city and performing the routines they have worked on all year.

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« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2019, 11:10:01 PM »
 :beli
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« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2019, 11:15:00 PM »
:beli
Things came together just right. :ryker

To explain: nega sounds close to Neger, which is the German equivalent of negro.


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« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2019, 11:46:31 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2019, 02:27:12 AM »
Every country has rednecks.

Technically blacknecks in this case

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« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2019, 03:23:12 AM »
the dutch are just bogans in europe  :doge
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« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2019, 06:26:25 AM »
the dutch are just bogans in europe  :doge
I have dutch friends, and I love them as individuals, but as a people (especially the travelling sports fans), they are one step above Chinese tourists.

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« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2019, 06:45:32 AM »
the dutch are just bogans in europe  :doge
Is that a Star Wars thing?

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« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2019, 07:22:47 AM »


 :o :o

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« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2019, 07:46:50 AM »
They lost all slickness when they sent the Italians and Spanish to the US and Mexico respectively  :rollsafe :mjcry
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« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2019, 08:14:59 AM »
:beli
Things came together just right. :ryker

To explain: nega sounds close to Neger, which is the German equivalent of negro.

in Russia it's Negr, and it's not supposed to be insulting.

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« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2019, 08:25:40 AM »
Santa's swarthy helper

Helper in Dutch is the slayvenstreudel.

Make of that what you will.

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« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2019, 08:29:38 AM »
 :ohhh

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« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2019, 08:54:10 AM »
Reminds me of that scene in Lincoln where Jackie Earle Hayley's character is like "If you abolish slavery, you're destroying our traditions".



Some fucking tradition

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« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2019, 08:58:04 AM »


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« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2019, 11:16:45 AM »
Why not just replace the character?
It's only 170 years old, anyway.
There are other options:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companions_of_Saint_Nicholas
Knecht Ruprecht seems like a good, none-racist alternative that unlike Krampus won't cause childhood trauma requiring years of therapy later on.
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« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2019, 12:05:13 PM »
In America we have 2Pete he travels with Santa and sings California Love.

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« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2019, 12:26:41 PM »
The main problem is that the government or rather ruling party refuses to take a clear stance on this. Officially their position is that the government should not intervene in these matters.
Unofficially their position is that the tradition should be kept as is as long as the celebrations are respectful.
I dunno, this seems pretty clear to me.

I'm personally in the blackface isn't inherently racist camp (though you have to have the right color shoe polish) but an amusing thing to me about Zwart Piete is that the "some people" who are often defending it are like "look into the tradition and explanation" and that actually is not really a help to the case. If it it was just blackface for a specific character it's kinda whatever, but the character and related traditions is what gives it more racist connotations. The blackface at that point just isn't helping.
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« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2019, 12:59:16 PM »
Why not go with this chained up old man? Look how happy he's making the kids.

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« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2019, 01:01:48 PM »
Ah, Boomer Pete

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« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2019, 01:29:31 PM »
They lost all slickness when they sent the Italians and Spanish to the US and Mexico respectively  :rollsafe :mjcry
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Nah, watch this.
Come on guys, clearly they're dressing up as Italians.

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« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2019, 02:01:31 PM »
The armies of Soros will never ruin our great Sinterklaas celebrations with their identity politics and propaganda wars :hmph
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« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2019, 03:47:11 PM »
in Russia it's Negr, and it's not supposed to be insulting.
It's fallen out of fashion in Germany, but there was still some resistance recently about removing it from classic children's books, because it's supposedly a neutral term. Nowadays, I would definitely count it as an insult (and looking at its history, I would say it was never neutral to begin with, just uncontroversial, because we're talking about uncivilized savages here, gosh).

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« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2019, 03:56:24 PM »
wait what

a country full of crackers has a fit black santa and the usa doesn't have shit other than dumb fat honky santa? wtf.

goys :nope

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« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2019, 03:57:15 PM »
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« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2019, 04:34:45 PM »
in Russia it's Negr, and it's not supposed to be insulting.
It's fallen out of fashion in Germany, but there was still some resistance recently about removing it from classic children's books, because it's supposedly a neutral term. Nowadays, I would definitely count it as an insult (and looking at its history, I would say it was never neutral to begin with, just uncontroversial, because we're talking about uncivilized savages here, gosh).

Yeah, I haven't been in Russia in over two decades, not sure if they still use it over there.