Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[ShutUp]

Vulnerable members of the community? Put Cyberpunk Era threads on ignore. Stop F5'ing the Cyberpunk Twitter page 300 times a day just waiting for a "bad" tweet. Boom problem solved.

They've worked themselves into as much of a fervor as they had over Joker releasing and all the white incels who were supposedly going to go on theater shooting sprees all across the US. Jesus.

[Joe Molotov]

The complete disregard for the point of a cyberpunk setting!

[HardcoreRetro]

What exactly makes CDPR transphobic?

[benjipwns]

What exactly makes CDPR transphobic?

They have trans friends and work with trans people. Two common transphobic dogwhistles.

[Averon]

Fucking ridiculous. Lying about crunch, all the transphobia/gamergate shit, how women were treated in W3, the complete disregard for the point of a cyberpunk setting. Jesus Christ. Look at the posts above me! Am I on the ignore list? Just like you're ignoring how you directly support bigotry when purchasing this game!

 

LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!
TAKE THE BAIT YOU SUCKERS!!! TAKE IT!!!!!!

[jorma]

Jesus Christ are you guys seriously going to ignore every comment/thread that details why CDPR is transphobic? "Oh cool cars yay," "Hope this looks great on my new card haha," "I took a week off so excited"
You really don't give a shit. Fucking hell.

Can't catch a ban or warning if you actively ignore it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-night-city-wire-episode-4-ot-the-street-finds-its-own-uses-for-things.306667/page-13#post-48681655

 

They are mad that people aren't going into their ban bait topics and are just talking about the game in other threads instead

Rockman just got banned for that 

[Joe Molotov]

What exactly makes CDPR transphobic?

Google fetishization of the trans experience, don’t expect us to do it for you.

[ShutUp]

That Christmastree55 person is so goddamn mad they are being ignored 

[ShutUp]

Jesus Christ are you guys seriously going to ignore every comment/thread that details why CDPR is transphobic? "Oh cool cars yay," "Hope this looks great on my new card haha," "I took a week off so excited"
You really don't give a shit. Fucking hell.

Can't catch a ban or warning if you actively ignore it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-night-city-wire-episode-4-ot-the-street-finds-its-own-uses-for-things.306667/page-13#post-48681655

 

They are mad that people aren't going into their ban bait topics and are just talking about the game in other threads instead

seems a little like something might get an ickle lock for sheer volume of reports and not being productive

Keep on locking the threads for those who want to just discuss stuff about the game details and the OT really will be a ghost town after people get fed up. Then we'll really see some anger from those just so mad about this game they won't even be playing.

[benjipwns]

That Christmastree55 person is so goddamn mad they are being ignored 

Registered about a month ago...

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

What exactly makes CDPR transphobic?

pretty much everything really

[Averon]

I think Rockman handled linking to the other thread poorly (it should have been done without trying to shame people for buying the game from the start) but it does kind of feel like you and a few others are poking at people who care about the very real issues with posts like this.

I'm not trying to get you into a corner here but it's hard not to notice that you avoid most (all?) discussion regarding the issues with CDPR and Cyberpunk.

Do you have any thoughts on the thread that was linked earlier?

I'm not trying to trap you, I swear, but can you comment on this so your words can be easily misconstrued or twisted to get you into getting banned, please?

[Mochilador]

Black Chamber is driving them insane and there's nothing they can do about it.
They keep trying to get a statement from him but the guy won't budge.

[Straight Edge]

Since you say „enough of this“ I’ll leave this thread after this answer.
I know that the staff volunteers. But that does not mean that era does not generate revenue for the website owner with the ads and „era clear ad removal“ 🤷

this guy fucks.

[Mochilador]

Jesus Christ are you guys seriously going to ignore every comment/thread that details why CDPR is transphobic? "Oh cool cars yay," "Hope this looks great on my new card haha," "I took a week off so excited"
You really don't give a shit. Fucking hell.

Can't catch a ban or warning if you actively ignore it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cyberpunk-2077-night-city-wire-episode-4-ot-the-street-finds-its-own-uses-for-things.306667/page-13#post-48681655

 

They are mad that people aren't going into their ban bait topics and are just talking about the game in other threads instead

Rockman just got banned for that 

Why was he banned? I can't find the post with the reason.

[Straight Edge]

The two cyberpunk threads are like dueling banjo's except both of them are 'tarded.

[Averon]

Cerium stepping aside and letting these idiots do janitor work for free while he rakes in the ad revenue looks like a wiser and wiser decision everyday.

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

Jobless obese flying too close to the sun:

Mods continue to be bedfellows with transphobes. News at 11.

Actively banning and silencing people who stand against transphobia - is transphobia.

[Averon]

Their ire should be aimed a Cerium. He obviously made it clear to the mods and admins that he's getting his ad revenue from CP 2077, the feelings of ERA's trans community be damned.

[Averon]

NoblesseOblige got a ban

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

at least one mod is trans

criticism of moderation is virtually impossible on this site and while I don't agree with that, don't attack their character like this wtf

they're just a bunch of unpaid volunteers with a shitty job

and yet I still find myself in awe at how badly they manage to fuck up just doing that

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

NoblesseOblige got a ban

that is going to be a perma

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

We don’t need to signal boost this stuff.

[ShutUp]

"They need to sticky the other thread going forward so people know about these problems!"

Cool. People will just ignore it and continue talking about the game like they are doing in that nightwire thread.

"CDPR needs to address this and apologize!!"

They did that. But as usual, it's never good enough and blood will be needed for the blood gods.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Is it really that goddamn important to be able to talk about a game? Why are we allowing a consistently blatant transphobic company to get free advertising and attention here just so people can discuss a GAME.
I think the fact this is a gaming forum gives people a skewed view of how important games are. They are not important. Definitely not more important than the community getting ignored here.

 

[Yulwei]

Yeah I don't think forming a consensus would work in favor of the trans community, given the results of those trash "would you still buy that HP game??" polls. Just putting it out there

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-14#post-48685321

Letting the community have a say in this conversation would be bad, so it should only be our small clique of posters who gets to decide what the community is allowed to discuss. 

[ShutUp]

Is it really that goddamn important to be able to talk about a game? Why are we allowing a consistently blatant transphobic company to get free advertising and attention here just so people can discuss a GAME.
I think the fact this is a gaming forum gives people a skewed view of how important games are. They are not important. Definitely not more important than the community getting ignored here.

 

The community that can't shut the fuck up and dominates all discussion while actually pushed aside communities like Asian Era need to wait their turn? They legitimately act like the spineless moderators don't bend themselves in half every other week to these toddlers constant whining.

All this from no doubt sheltered as fuck mid to upper class whiter than white bread people too.

[Averon]

The issue lies within the fact that it then pushes the burden of conversation onto the groups that are criticizing it. And many users will then simply ignore it, as a great deal of the posters in this very thread do. I don’t think that a one sided discussion where the other party simply ignores the issues put forth is adequate discussion. It is a very hard thing to deal with as a mod I am sure, but it is harder on those of us who are simply ignored for expressing our concerns and reservations. While both things can be done, I do not believe they are both being done adequately where we currently stand.

There won't be a "conversation." You either agree with the per-approved point of view or eat a ban, maybe a perm ban at that. This has happened numerous times on ERA and this goes even as far back as GAF. People have gotten wise to the fact that ignoring certain conversations is better for them.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

We don’t need to signal boost this stuff.

Signal boosting Cyberpunking is ok though.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Is it really that important to use a gaming forum for the explicit purpose for which it was devised?

[Averon]

This is 100% accurate. Bans are not protection. They punish and hopefully prevent further issues, but what is done cannot be undone. You cannot stop someone from being hurt after the fact. Proper protection is much more than that.

What the hell do they think mods and admins can do beyond banning the offender? Even if you put rules in place, there's no stopping someone from breaking them, and at that point the only thing a mod or admin can do is ban them from the community. Do they think mods and admins have some secret power to control the actions of users they aren't using?

[ShutUp]

 Seems Kyrona is a big fan of doxxing.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

This is like when people where blacking out their avatars.

I never really realized all of this until I saw this OP. Granted I havnt really been following the game.

I still want to play it, but I think I’ll wait to get it used down the line so CDPR doesn’t get my money.

Participating in discount transphobia by delayed gratification.




 

[ShutUp]

Yes, please not allow people to discuss a massive game they've been looking forward to on launch day. Guarantee the OT is a ghost town. Do it mods!

[cosmicblizzard]

Day-long boycotts are the stupidest fucking thing in the world.  Remember when people on Twitter did it over online harassment of women and then absolutely nothing changed afterward?  It straight up tells the creator/platform-holder/whatever "we're angry at you, but not enough to leave for more than a day because that's how vital this is to our lives".  If anything, it's detrimental to whatever cause people are trying to champion since you're actively telling the ones in charge that this is a temporary thing, rather than them just seeing a drop in sales/activity/whatever and they're left panicking over real potential damage.

[Pissy F Benny]

Just one of the latest in a long line of sites that used to be amazing but went to shit with updates.

Yes, another site that started out with promise and is now a fucking rancid hellscape

It’s an image hosting site

Unless there’s some weird social media side of it I’m completely ignorant of

[Averon]

I mean quite honestly, I think posters who post a lot in cyberpunk threads but completely, without fail, ignore discussions about the issue should be banned. especially when ZeoVGM quoted their post and politely asked what they thought of these discussions

It goes from “wanting to talk about the game on its own” to simply ignoring trans voices and telling them you don’t give a shit when the ignorance is this frequent. There’s absolutely no other way to read their lack of response imo. Its blatantly transphobic.

It’s pretty disgusting to read these posters just completely ignore it to the point where it looks like two entirely different threads happening at once, not lying when I say it’s making me cringe and a little bit sick to my stomach.

Not taking blatant "call out" ban bait is transphobic? 

Also, if you don't talk about this sensitive issue on our terms, you should be banned?

If everyone wanting to enjoy and discuss CP 2077 are transphobes, as you clearly think they are, why would you want to talk with them?

[Straight Edge]

Is "Visited by Knack" code for "Has extra chromosomes"?

[ShutUp]

They want people banned for not posting in threads they want them to 

Do it. Please. People seriously will leave the site in droves then.

[Yulwei]

I mean quite honestly, I think posters who post a lot in cyberpunk threads but completely, without fail, ignore discussions about the issue should be banned. especially when ZeoVGM quoted their post and politely asked what they thought of these discussions

It goes from “wanting to talk about the game on its own” to simply ignoring trans voices and telling them you don’t give a shit when the ignorance is this frequent. There’s absolutely no other way to read their lack of response imo. Its blatantly transphobic.

It’s pretty disgusting to read these posters just completely ignore it to the point where it looks like two entirely different threads happening at once, not lying when I say it’s making me cringe and a little bit sick to my stomach.

Not taking blatant "call out" ban bait is transphobic? 

 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

I mean quite honestly, I think posters who post a lot in cyberpunk threads but completely, without fail, ignore discussions about the issue should be banned. especially when ZeoVGM quoted their post and politely asked what they thought of these discussions

It goes from “wanting to talk about the game on its own” to simply ignoring trans voices and telling them you don’t give a shit when the ignorance is this frequent. There’s absolutely no other way to read their lack of response imo. Its blatantly transphobic.

It’s pretty disgusting to read these posters just completely ignore it to the point where it looks like two entirely different threads happening at once, not lying when I say it’s making me cringe and a little bit sick to my stomach.

Not taking blatant "call out" ban bait is transphobic? 

Also, if you don't talk about this sensitive issue on their terms, you should be banned?

If everyone wanting to enjoy and discuss CP 2077 are transphobes, as you clearly think they are, why would you want to talk with them?

I bet you that person already has a list of usernames

Also, aren't these the same people that blew their lids when you talk about engaging political adversaries in conversations?

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

You guys have done it. Congratulations. You are basically the Church during the Crusades, burning at the stake every single person that don't agree with you and hunting down people that choose to not get involved in the topic.

And the funny thing is that all your hate is even targeting the mods and admins now! Hahaha. Guess they are getting a taste of the completely lunatic community they built over time. Posters are now actually asking to ban people that just want to enjoy the game and don't focus on, you know, cyberpunk stuff, like modding a body.

Can't wait to play the game this november. Also guys don't forget to turn your discord overlay off and set steam to invisible so you can play the game and continue posting here

 

[Mochilador]

You guys have done it. Congratulations. You are basically the Church during the Crusades, burning at the stake every single person that don't agree with you and hunting down people that choose to not get involved in the topic.

And the funny thing is that all your hate is even targeting the mods and admins now! Hahaha. Guess they are getting a taste of the completely lunatic community they built over time. Posters are now actually asking to ban people that just want to enjoy the game and don't focus on, you know, cyberpunk stuff, like modding a body.

Can't wait to play the game this november. Also guys don't forget to turn your discord overlay off and set steam to invisible so you can play the game and continue posting here

 

This isn't gonna end well for him.

[ShutUp]

100% correct, 200% feeling all of the force of the ban hammer. Godspeed.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand permed for "trolling"

Show me the receipts on people wanting to ban others for enjoying the game, you fuck. Get out of here.

literally 4 posts later

Fuck this team, this game and anyone who buys the damn thing.

[ShutUp]

Phendrift's rant also qualifies. Also, hard to provide receipts when they get banned within minutes.

 

The issue lies within the fact that it then pushes the burden of conversation onto the groups that are criticizing it. And many users will then simply ignore it, as a great deal of the posters in this very thread do. I don’t think that a one sided discussion where the other party simply ignores the issues put forth is adequate discussion. It is a very hard thing to deal with as a mod I am sure, but it is harder on those of us who are simply ignored for expressing our concerns and reservations. While both things can be done, I do not believe they are both being done adequately where we currently stand.

But they totally want to have more than a one sided conversation though.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

"we're not acting like religious fanatics, we just want anyone who questions dogma excommunicated"

[nudemacusers]

at least one mod is trans

criticism of moderation is virtually impossible on this site and while I don't agree with that, don't attack their character like this wtf

they're just a bunch of unpaid volunteers with a shitty job

and yet I still find myself in awe at how badly they manage to fuck up just doing that

tbf if i wasn't getting paid to deal with any of this i'd prob do a real shit job too and just ban people who annoyed me.

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JUST LIKE THE TYRANT BORE MODS

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[Joe Molotov]

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This is like when people where blacking out their avatars.

The Bore will be blacking our avatars in solidarity.

[BIONIC]

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This is like when people where blacking out their avatars.

The Bore will be blacking our avatars in solidarity.

Blacked avatars 

[nudemacusers]

performative actions that result in actually nothing of material difference to anyone's capital?

wow it's almost like a forum of neolibs or something 

[Clockwork5]

What exactly makes CDPR transphobic?

I’ll quote Poodlestrike:

“Google it”

[Uncle]

I like how this game is getting so much more foaming at the mouth and utter rage than daniel vavra's kingdom come in 2018

guy who is reportedly (by era) something of a maga type, and white, and made a game about his white historical heritage, and era calls a nazi

people got mad about the game and then it came out and it was pretty good and got an ot with a note at the top not to talk about vavra and everything was chill

this is a game which purports to actually have trans people in it, and probably equal treatment of men and women re: sexualization and physical prowess, and it's double hitler 

[HaughtyFrank]

They killed any form of real discussion on this site and now they're upset that people won't engage them anymore 

performative actions that result in actually nothing of material difference to anyone's capital?

wow it's almost like a forum of neolibs or something 

With their little T-shirt promotion CDPR has actively done more to help lgbt in Poland than any of their whining. It's pretty funny.

[Uncle]

I don't understand why they can't even articulate what should've been done better or differently to resolve this situation

like ok, primary problem: chromanticore problematic trans ad

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proposed solution: no adverts in the game contain any trans messaging at all, it's all clearly men and women

solution rejected: "this is a future society where anyone can swap out any body parts they want, and they go out of their way to unrealistically depict that everyone just chooses to be men or women? jesus this trans erasure, about what you'd expect from fucking poland"

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proposed solution: the character looks more androgynous and has no sexualization at all, and the background of the ad is the trans flag colors

solution rejected: "so in the future the trans flag is STILL needed for awareness? why would you go out of your way to depict a society that hasn't moved past modern day's petty hatred? not to mention showing corporate exploitation of the trans experience. also the whole point of being trans is NOT to be seen as trans, trans women ARE women, they don't want to flaunt their otherness. but this is the subject handled with all the delicacy you expect from fucking poland"

[Uncle]

secondary problem: cis actress portrays the chromanticore model

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proposed solution: trans actress is found to portray the chromanticore model

solution rejected: "they dug up this poor woman and asked her to flaunt the fact that she still has a penis for the sake of a cheap ad? tasteless"  "I would be so embarrassed if I were her"  "imagine being trans and stanning for a company that made those tweets"  "what's the appropriate word for coonery among the trans community? asking for a friend"

[Tuckers Law]

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This is like when people where blacking out their avatars.

The Bore will be blacking our avatars in solidarity.

Oh shit, Bobby finally made a Bore account?   

[benjipwns]

I like this Kyrona feller, they understand that silence is the most literal form of violence:

I believe you are missing the point. It isn’t mockery, but absolute refusal to engage with any criticism in the ot. I had a conversation with someone in that very thread who noted that it seemed like users were actively posting inane comments unrelated to conversations currently taking place when criticism showed up, to bury any and all discussion on the matter. And you know what happened during our conversation? That exact thing. Bigotry and mockery are not the things that can make groups seem unwanted or unsafe. It is purposeful ignoring of the criticisms and those who levy them, which feels equally as harmful when it happens.

[BisMarckie]

By posting way less recently, I tried to make you feel as unsafe as possible

[benjipwns]

User banned (2 months): Hostility, mod-whining and derailing over multiple posts and across multiple threads. History of trolling, mod-whining and disruptive behaviour.

The administration here would never do that. They're weak. They won't back down. You'll just get a notice at the bottom of the OT at best.

They're weak and won't back down?