Author Topic: Who is the NBA MVP? (Read 8022 times)

Flannel Boy · « **on:** January 31, 2007, 06:27:53 PM »

I'm talkin' 'bout basketball.

STOP STEALIN' MY AWARDS.

Eat my balls!

TASTES GREAT!

Give me back my award!

Is this the D that won you two MVPs?

Fuck! I felt somethin' move.

Keep your undeserved MVP awards. I got mine!

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:29:44 PM »

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:33:34 PM »

Quote from: CajoleJuice on January 31, 2007, 06:29:44 PM

"I love you Juice."

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:46:21 PM »

Who keeps voting for Nash. This poll is rigged.

Robo · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:52:40 PM »

Arenas, motherfuckers!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #5 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:53:09 PM »

On paper it's got to be that Canadian, the great Steve Nash. Like it or not this guy is responsible for more of his team's success than any other player in the league. He's credited for - whether it's through FGs or assists - 50+ points for the Suns. Find me one player in the league who makes that much of a difference on paper.

But alas, Nash won't win it; he's won twice in a row, so I doubt the writer's will give him another one. This is why I would vote for Kobe Bryant. I loved hating on Kobe after he got rid of the great Shaq, but I can't deny that Kobe is a changed player this season. What he has done is amazing. Great superstar players must be able to carry their team and make players better; look at Luke Walton this year, a good most improved player candidate. Look at the play of Smush. Look at Odom and how comfortable he is this year compared to last year, when Kobe utterly dominated the ball. The Lakers are on the verge of regaining their superpower status, and you've got to credit Kobe.

My MVP voting:

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Steve Nash
3. Gilbert Arenas

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2007, 06:55:37 PM »

You don't even have Dirk in the top three. Do you know what team has the best record in basketball?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2007, 07:00:27 PM »

Quote from: malek4980 on January 31, 2007, 06:55:37 PM

You don't even have Dirk in the top three. Do you know what team has the best record in basketball?

How many times does the player on a team with the best record win the MVP?

Dirk is having a good year, but he's not in my top 3 for MVP. His preformance doesn't determine whether the Mavs win or lose - he could average 20 points a game and they'd still be on top. Guys like Arenas and Kobe and Nash mean far more to their teams than Dirk does to the Mavs.

Plus Dirk happens to still be a pussy in my eyes.

makaveli · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2007, 07:04:02 PM »

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2007, 07:14:03 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2007, 07:00:27 PM

Quote from: malek4980 on January 31, 2007, 06:55:37 PM
You don't even have Dirk in the top three. Do you know what team has the best record in basketball?

How many times does the player on a team with the best record win the MVP?

2005 (1st)
2004 (2nd)
2003 (1st)
2002 (2nd)
2001 (2nd)
2000 (1st)
1999 (1st)
1998 (1st)
1997 (1st)
1996 (1st)
1995 (1st)
1994 (2nd)
1993 (1st)
1992 (1st)
1991 (2nd)
1990 (1st)
1989 (2nd)
1988 (7th)*Jordan's crazy year
1987 (1st)
1986 (1st)
1985 (1st)
1984 (1st)
1983 (1st)
1982 (2nd)
1981 (1st)

Seeing a pattern?

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2007, 07:00:27 PM

Quote from: malek4980 on January 31, 2007, 06:55:37 PM
You don't even have Dirk in the top three. Do you know what team has the best record in basketball?

Dirk is having a good year, but he's not in my top 3 for MVP. His preformance doesn't determine whether the Mavs win or lose - he could average 20 points a game and they'd still be on top. Guys like Arenas and Kobe and Nash mean far more to their teams than Dirk does to the Mavs.

The Mavs would have the best record without Dirk? 25/10/3 gives you zero extra wins but but 20/3/11 GIVES YOU CREDIT FOR EVERY FUCKING WIN!
Does Dirk have anyone as good as Amare or Marion? No, yet the Mavs have a better record.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2007, 07:16:15 PM »

By what, one game? That's nothing to brag about. Next week the Suns might have it.

Dirk is not the MVP. Nash means more to his team on paper, and it's not even debatable.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2007, 07:22:05 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2007, 07:16:15 PM

By what, one game? That's nothing to brag about. Next week the Suns might have it.

Dirk is not the MVP. Nash means more to his team on paper, and it's not even debatable.

What does more on paper mean?

Nowitzki total production 30.8 opponent 13.1 Net: +17.7
Nowitzki on court +11.6 off court: -6.0 Net: +17.6
And Nash's PER rating is nowhere near Nowitzki's.

The Mavs lose when Dirk is off the fucking court. And you say they'd win just as much? Are you insane!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2007, 07:27:24 PM »

Quote from: malek4980 on January 31, 2007, 07:22:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2007, 07:16:15 PM
By what, one game? That's nothing to brag about. Next week the Suns might have it.

Dirk is not the MVP. Nash means more to his team on paper, and it's not even debatable.

What does more on paper mean?

Nowitzki total production 30.8 opponent 13.1 Net: +17.7
Nowitzki on court +11.6 off court: -6.0 Net: +17.6
And Nash's PER rating is nowhere near Nowitzki's.

The Mavs lose when Dirk is off the fucking court. And you say they'd win just as much? Are you insane!

I didn't say that. I said if Dirk scored like 20ppg there'd be little difference.

Offensively no one produces more points than Steve Nash. Consider the Sun's last game for instance (which they lost). Nash was credited for (scoring and assists) at least 56 of the team's 112 points.

But like I said my vote:

1. Kobe
2. Nash
3. Arenas
4. maybe Dirk I guess

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2007, 08:05:18 PM »

I just voted Nash because I actually watched the NBA for the first time this year on Sunday during the game between the Suns and Cavs. The Suns just looked absolutely ridiculous.

etiolate · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2007, 08:42:04 PM »

Nash or Dirk.

I don't get the Lakers record. I watch them play, their defense is poor and they rely on unreliable big men. They look like a meltdown waiting to happen.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2007, 08:45:18 PM »

Well that's a good point actually.

Don't tell Bionic77!

max_cool · « **Reply #16 on:** January 31, 2007, 09:18:47 PM »

Nash

And you all know that he's going to get shafted because the Suns won't make it to the finals... unless

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they have the best record in the West, there's just no way that the Suns can go through Dallas and San Antonio

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Flannel Boy · « **Reply #17 on:** January 31, 2007, 09:20:27 PM »

Quote from: max_cool on January 31, 2007, 09:18:47 PM

Nash

And you all know that he's going to get shafted because the Suns won't make it to the finals... unless

spoiler (click to show/hide)
they have the best record in the West, there's just no way that the Suns can go through Dallas and San Antonio
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The MVP is handed out well before the finals.

max_cool · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2007, 09:21:02 PM »

lol, I suck, am owned, everything else $:-\$ $:-\$ $:-\$

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2007, 10:19:13 PM »

ARENAS!

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2007, 10:45:22 PM »

Quote from: Willco on January 31, 2007, 10:19:13 PM

ARENAS!

Can't even beat the Raptors.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2007, 10:48:12 PM »

Hey, they were shooting over 60% tonight. You can't beat anyone when they're dropping shots like that. Also, they're playing without Jamison. It's tough for Arenas to be double teamed or defended against when his only legitimate scoring threat is now Caron Butler. They used to be able to make up for the lack of a post threat by having three perimeter scoring options. Now you can defend against Arenas, and Butler isn't going to score more than 30 or so on anybody.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2007, 10:53:55 PM »

Quote from: Willco on January 31, 2007, 10:48:12 PM

We can't beat a crappy team FROM CANADA. Arenas am fraud.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2007, 10:59:22 PM »

Must be easy to ignore on point and intelligent NBA analysis like that. Maybe you should apply that cockiness to your LSATS, you bum.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:05:58 PM »

HIBACHI!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:07:13 PM »

He says he goes around shouting, "Quality shots!" more than "Hibachi!" nowadays. I didn't hear him say anything when I saw him play, and I was really close $:-\$

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:09:37 PM »

Washington has got to be the worst defensive teams in basketball. If the Raptors shoot 60% it is largely Washington's fault. Star players have to play without some of their teammates, it's unfortunate that Arenas can't handle it. He still has Butler who has had an amazing season. Iverson spent most of his career without teammates anywhere near as good as Butler and faced double teams on a nightly basis. Now I'm starting to think I shouldn't have even made Arenas an option.

$:-\$

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #27 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:11:17 PM »

And Iverson has spent most of his career out of the playoffs - what's your point?

Now I see why you suck at LSATs.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #28 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:14:56 PM »

Quote from: Willco on January 31, 2007, 11:11:17 PM

And Iverson has spent most of his career out of the playoffs - what's your point?

Now I see why you suck at LSATs.

Iverson made it to the Finals when his second option was Aaron McKie! Poor Arenas only had a 20/8/4 player to play with tonight. :'(
How the hell can he possibly beat a team from the Atlantic division without Jamison!

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #29 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:17:38 PM »

Iverson made the Finals with a legitimate inside threat with Mutombo, and had a great ball handling guard that helped setup lanes in Eric Snow.

Do you know anything about basketball, malek?

Butler and Jamison are both perimeter guys. The analogy isn't even fair, simply because as I stated, they've got no inside game so the team is completely dependent on all three being healthy. One guy goes down, you can completely keep out one and then the other can't carry the team. Arenas has faced double teams for most of the season and still dropped a crap load of points because of the system. But it has a weakness - Haywood and Thomas are just not the answer. At least Iverson could dish it inside to Mutombo.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #30 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:19:24 PM »

Willco, you're crushing any confidence malek has left. $:-\$

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #31 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:20:41 PM »

He made it personal by attacking Arenas!

Error Macro · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:21:18 PM »

All I know is that I heard Steve Nash's name in that Nelly Furtado song, so it must be him.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #33 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:22:41 PM »

Dikembe is not and never has been a scoring threat. He has always been a tremendous defensive center, but that's it.

Eric Snow is garbage. You are grasping at straws.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #34 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:22:59 PM »

Steve Nash will probably win the award, simply because the Suns have the best team in the NBA and he's having a great year. But Arenas is the legitimate MVP. The Wizards would be a .500 team at best without him. At best. He thrives in that system, but even with Jamison out, he'll still score 30 a game and carry the team into the All-Star break. You take him off the Wizards, and you've got a very mediocre team.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #35 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:27:01 PM »

Quote from: malek4980 on January 31, 2007, 11:22:41 PM

Dikembe is not and never has been a scoring threat. He has always been a tremendous defensive center, but that's it.

Uh, what. Maybe you watched a different Finals team. Mutombo was in his prime back then, as he could score at least 10 points a night and give you 13 rebounds, but he could also take the heat off of Iverson. If he was getting too much heat, he'd dish out inside to Mutombo and it'd be easy buckets. I swear he scored close to 30 points in at least a couple of games in that series.

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Eric Snow is garbage. You are grasping at straws.

If you're trying to say Eric Snow is bad at ball handling - you're grasping at straws. Iverson has never excelled at game handling duties; he's a scorer. Snow took that load off of him.

You should watch a basketball game some time.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #36 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:32:06 PM »

In his prime? He was 35 (really 55). 10 points a game on garbage buckets is not a scoring threat. Yeah he had a few good games in the Finals, but Shaq doesn't like to waste his energy on defense. Snow was a good ball handler and defensive player, but he's nowhere near as good as a player like Caron Butler. Arenas plays with two guys averaging 20 PPG. Iverson didn't have anyone over 12PPG.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #37 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:32:53 PM »

I apologize, Mutombo really only had one good offensive game during the Finals. He pretty much was a 15 point guy with a ton of great defensive stops during the series.

That said, you put him on the Wizards and they wouldn't miss Antawan Jamison. A defensive big guy that'd give you 15 points would've won the game tonight.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #38 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:35:01 PM »

Again, the 76ers had a pure scorer, a ball handler and a defensive big man that'd score buckets. The Wizards do not. Completely not fair analogy.

The Wizards have three scoring threats and none of them are physical except Arenas, who drive and take hard fouls. Taking on of them out gets rid of opportunities for the other two (who are you going to guard when Butler and Jamison can shoot it?), they've got no one who can make defensive stops or score buckets inside.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #39 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:36:29 PM »

I acknowledge the Wizards don't have any decent bigs, but Bosh isn't exactly Moses Malone on the inside. Washington may finish with the best record in the East, but if they face the Heat with Shaq, they'll be done for.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #40 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:39:56 PM »

Not really.

If Jamison, Butler and Arenas are healthy, they can beat anyone and they've shown that. They've beaten the Suns, Mavericks, Lakers, Jazz, etc. Not really crap East teams. They have an offensive pace that's so quick that they can beat any East team. Now, can they beat the Suns or Mavericks in a series? No, of course not.

Health is key here.

The other thing they have going for them is Darius Songaila and Michael Ruffin will be back from injuries soon, and pretty rested. Songaila, in particular, will provide a key defensive boost to the squad.

Jamison is also only out 'till the All-Star break, and it's just a sprain. I expect he'll be fine for the rest of the season, as all three have been pretty healthy. Larry Hughes was the question mark when he was part of the trio.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #41 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:41:03 PM »

So how bout dem Knicks? :'(

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #42 on:** February 01, 2007, 01:58:09 AM »

In a just world Arenas would finish ahead of Dirk in the ballots. Sadly, I don't think we live in a just world.

What he's doing is amazing. Not only is he one of the funniest and most down to earth guys in the NBA, he also has legitimite chips on his shoulder. First it was the who second round thing. Now, the Olympics. This man is playing out his mind and deserves some credit, even if his team is just fighting to be the sacrificial lamb to which ever western team makes it to the finals

Mandark · « **Reply #43 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:02:38 AM »

AI was the best offensive player on a good defensive team. When a team starts to succeed because of an improved defense, people tend to give credit to whoever's putting up numbers on offense or whoever's new. AI in Philly, Kidd in New Jersey, Cassell in Los Angeles, Chris Paul in OKC, etc.

The year the 76er's went to the finals, they were the #5 defensive team and the #13 offensive team. All the other starters besides AI got votes for NBA All-Defense. Arenas is running one of the top offenses, and is shooting a better percentage that AI ever did.

I voted for Arenas in the poll, but he's cooled off enough in the last month that I can't honestly say he's the MVP right now. I'd still vote for him in anything that counts, though.

Right now I'd go with Nash. He's shooting the highest percentage in the league, leading the league in assists by almost a full third more than the next player, and has a higher on-court/off-court differential than Nowitzki, even with a good player like Barbosa as his backup. He's the best offensive player on the league's best offense.

I won't deny that Nash has good players around him, but neither of his two best teammates can regularly create their own shot, and almost everyone with serious playing time has posted a significantly better TS% with Nash than they did in the year before or after playing with him.

Also, he raped us in Washington. Just jumped out of the bushes and raped us.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #44 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:07:11 AM »

Mandark

Will you sign my "Deport Dirk" petition?

Mandark · « **Reply #45 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:15:01 AM »

Nowitzki is a foot taller than me and German.

No way I'm doing anything to piss him off.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #46 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:16:27 AM »

I think we should wait to see who is the victor of the Lakers/Wizards game on Saturday to decide! Arenas for king!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #47 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:21:42 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on February 01, 2007, 02:15:01 AM

Nowitzki is a foot taller than me and German.

No way I'm doing anything to piss him off.

If you touch him he falls on the floor while flailing his legs and inadvertadly spreads his cheeks (or is it on purpose...). I could take him

Loki · « **Reply #48 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:29:25 AM »

I have it like so:

1. Dirk
2. Nash
3. Kobe
4. Duncan/Arenas (tie)

Dirk deserves it for several reasons, not the least of which is that he got shafted last season (better numbers than Nash and a better team record last year). Nash is actually making his best case for MVP this season (~20/12 and 50+% from both 2 and 3?

), but I'd give Dirk his first sooner than I'd give Nash his third (which would put him in some elite company), both because Dirk is having at least an equally impressive season from an individual and team stanpoint as well as the fact that, as noted previously, he was outright robbed last year.

So it's Dirk for me thus far, without question. Nash has a slight edge on Kobe (I'd say 5-10% if I had to quantify it); Kobe, in turn, has a similar edge on Duncan/Arenas imo. The Lakers and Spurs have comparable records despite key injuries for LA and Kobe is playing better ball than Duncan is this season.

Malek, good call on noting the team record for past MVP winners. I'm pretty sure your rankings were in-conference, but it's interesting to note that only twice in the last 20 years did the MVP come from a team that was not a top 3 team in the entire league, record-wise. Those two exceptions were Jordan in '88 (when he just had a ridiculous year and they overachieved) and Nash last season -- and Nash's team had the fourth best record in the league. That's why it makes me laugh when people say that Kobe got robbed last year. No, he didn't -- not based on the historical precedent and the implicit criteria for the award, at least. Players from 45-win, 7th seeded teams with the 10th best record in the NBA just don't win MVP.

</Kobe bashing>

Mandark · « **Reply #49 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:32:00 AM »

Pffft, robbed last year. True or not (I think it is), that's the sort of logic that has people leaving Cal Ripken off their Hall of Fame ballots.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #50 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:41:51 AM »

The MVP is Arenas. Remove Dirk and Nash from their respective teams, and they're still playoff teams. Remove Kobe and Arenas from their respective teams, and they're not playoff teams (I don't think the Wiz would make the playoffs even in the East!). Arenas is having a better year than Kobe so he should win the award.

THE END.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #51 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:54:46 AM »

Quote from: Willco on February 01, 2007, 02:41:51 AM

The MVP is Arenas. Remove Dirk and Nash from their respective teams, and they're still playoff teams. Remove Kobe and Arenas from their respective teams, and they're not playoff teams (I don't think the Wiz would make the playoffs even in the East!). Arenas is having a better year than Kobe so he should win the award.

THE END.

If we're going to go by those standards I'd put Kobe ahead of Arenas. The Lakers are in a far tougher division.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #52 on:** February 01, 2007, 03:06:47 AM »

That makes no sense. Arenas is having a better year than Kobe, has beaten the top West teams and has put the Wiz in front of the ENTIRE conference, not just division.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #53 on:** February 01, 2007, 03:14:00 AM »

The problem is that there are only 2 teams outside of Washington worth mentioning in the East (I'm not including the Cavs). Of course they have a good record playing Atlanta, Charolette, and Toronto all the time lolz.

The Lakers have more quality wins as far as I'm concerned. And to be honest, I'm not entirely sold on Washington yet. Beating the Pistons two time in a row during the regular season is impressive...but let's see them pull that off in the playoffs. Assuming the Heat aren't going anywhere it's going to come down to the Pistons and Wizards.

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #54 on:** February 01, 2007, 03:56:49 AM »

Uh, they've beaten the Lakers, Mavericks, Suns and Jazz, smart guy. What are you smoking?

Roland · « **Reply #55 on:** February 01, 2007, 05:29:13 AM »

I voted for Lebron since I'm a Cavs fan and he basically saved Cleveland basketball. But I know it's Nash. Couldn't even be mad about the loss this past Sunday. Steve Nash is not human.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #56 on:** February 01, 2007, 12:02:03 PM »

Quote from: Willco on February 01, 2007, 03:56:49 AM

Uh, they've beaten the Lakers, Mavericks, Suns and Jazz, smart guy. What are you smoking?

Your point? Their record is far more inflated with wins against horrible teams than the Lakers, and they'll be exposed in the playoffs.

And didn't they get beat by the Rapters last night...again?

The Fake Shemp · « **Reply #57 on:** February 01, 2007, 12:11:38 PM »

They've played almost 20 games against the West and multiple games against good East teams like Detriot (four games), Orlando (I think we're up to three), Cleveland and Miami. You're crazy.

Yes, they lose to crap teams now and then (that was also a back-to-back where they traveled from D.C. to OUT OF THE COUNTRY without Antawan Jamison).

You're just stupid!

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #58 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:08:19 PM »

Quote from: Loki on February 01, 2007, 02:29:25 AM

I have it like so:

1. Dirk
2. Nash
3. Kobe
4. Duncan/Arenas (tie)

Dirk deserves it for several reasons, not the least of which is that he got shafted last season (better numbers than Nash and a better team record last year). Nash is actually making his best case for MVP this season (~20/12 and 50+% from both 2 and 3? ), but I'd give Dirk his first sooner than I'd give Nash his third (which would put him in some elite company), both because Dirk is having at least an equally impressive season from an individual and team stanpoint as well as the fact that, as noted previously, he was outright robbed last year.

So it's Dirk for me thus far, without question. Nash has a slight edge on Kobe (I'd say 5-10% if I had to quantify it); Kobe, in turn, has a similar edge on Duncan/Arenas imo. The Lakers and Spurs have comparable records despite key injuries for LA and Kobe is playing better ball than Duncan is this season.

Malek, good call on noting the team record for past MVP winners. I'm pretty sure your rankings were in-conference, but it's interesting to note that only twice in the last 20 years did the MVP come from a team that was not a top 3 team in the entire league, record-wise. Those two exceptions were Jordan in '88 (when he just had a ridiculous year and they overachieved) and Nash last season -- and Nash's team had the fourth best record in the league. That's why it makes me laugh when people say that Kobe got robbed last year. No, he didn't -- not based on the historical precedent and the implicit criteria for the award, at least. Players from 45-win, 7th seeded teams with the 10th best record in the NBA just don't win MVP.

</Kobe bashing>

The rankings were league wide and not just in-conference.

Quote from: Willco on February 01, 2007, 02:41:51 AM

The MVP is Arenas. Remove Dirk and Nash from their respective teams, and they're still playoff teams. Remove Kobe and Arenas from their respective teams, and they're not playoff teams (I don't think the Wiz would make the playoffs even in the East!). Arenas is having a better year than Kobe so he should win the award.

THE END.

Come on.
That isn't falsifiable (barring a terrible injury) and you have to keep in mind that the Suns and Mavs both win 80% of their games, while the 8th place teams usually have a .500 record. If the Mavs (without Dirk) or Suns (without Nash) drop 30 percentage points they're still a playoff team. If the Lakers (without Kobe) drop 30 percentage points they're in the basement. So what you say may be true, but it is nevertheless irrelevant since the teams are at such differing levels to begin with.

CajoleJuice · « **Reply #59 on:** February 01, 2007, 02:11:14 PM »

Loki is pretty awesome.

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