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Phoenix Dark

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Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« on: January 31, 2007, 08:07:59 PM »

maybe not but it's fucking amazing

I had heard most of the songs on the radio or online, but yesterday I heard the entire album. This is a "rap classic" album that truly lives up to that billing.

The problem many have with rap music is that it seems "disposable" and almost "pointless". Very few songs have an actual point, and are instead excercises in which the rapper tells you how much money he has, or how awesome he is. Ready to Die takes a...different approach.

As with many rap albums, this one starts out with an intro track. But unlike many intro tracks which just contain the rapper telling you about how long he's waited to get dat papah, this one starts like the beginning to a concept album. You hear a faint heart beat, which is later replaced by the screams of a woman in birth. Finally, a child is born. It's interesting to note that this event is backdropped by a musical score, here Superfly by Curtis Mayfield, which gives insight into the historical timeline of the events. The wails of Mayfield's high voice are soon replaced by the classic rhymes of the Sugarhill Gang through their classic "Rapper's Delight". Here a neighbor demands an angry mother to keep "that boy" in check, and stop him from robbing convenience stores. Finally the soundtrack enters the 90's - Snoop Doggy Dogg style 90's to be exact - as the main star is let out of prison. After the guard laughs and tells him he'll be back in jail soon enough, Christopher Wallace laughs and merely says "I've got plans. Big plans"

From that point, it's on.

What follows is the portrait into the mindset of a man really ran the streets. Who really sold drugs, got shot at, and all the other cliche rap qualifications many today lie about. Yet despite the subject matter - crack sales, guns, murder, etc - you never get the impression that Wallace (AKA Biggie Smalls) is advocating anything, or glorifying it.

If I wasn't in the rap game
I'd probably have a key knee deep in the crack game
Because the streets is a short stop
Either you're slingin crack rock or you got a wicked jumpshot


Every song seems to have an almost autobiographical feel. What makes it more impressive is Biggie's wordplay, which is witty and impressive as far as gangsta rap is concerned.

I'm seeing body after body and our mayor Giuliani
Ain't trying to see no black man turn into John Gotti
My daughter use a potty so she's older now
Educated street knowledge I'ma mold her now
Trick her little dope bying young girls tringes
Dealing with the dope fiend binges
Seeing syringes in the veins
Hard to explain how I maintain
The crack smoke makes my brain feel so strange


Further impressive is the storytelling. A staple of rap, "story tellin" references the ability of a rapper to recite a story and take your through it from start to finish. Many of the songs follow this pattern while doing what most rap songs don't seem to do: show verse by verse progression of a singular subject. While it isn't exactly "Ms. Fat Booty"-esque, each of the songs that try to do this do it well. "Everyday Struggle" and "Me and My Bitch" showcase this the best. And nearly every song is carried along by a great beat; the production is very nice

Outside of the standard classics like Juicy and Big Papa, the album features some downright impressive "gangsta" staples like Machine Gun Fuck...

The rocket launcher, biggie stomped ya
High as a motherfuckin helicopter
That's why i pack a Nina, fuck a misdeameanor
Beatin motherfuckers like Ike beat Tina

 :lol

...and Warning

Call the coroner
there's gonna be alot of slow singin
and flower bringin
if my burgular alarm starts ringin


And in keeping up with the almost concept album feel, the final track ends just as the first one began: with heartbeat sounds. Yet here, they slow fade into the distance as the album ends - as well as the character's life.

Outside of one song (Friend of Mine) and the dumb skits, the album is amazing from start to finish. THIS is what "gangsta" rap is.

Pay attention - THIS is a pussy:


Pay attention - THIS is an imposter:


 
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2007, 09:16:16 PM »
pity bump

Phoenix Dark

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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2007, 09:17:47 PM »
 :(

Oh well, Himu will post in this thread when he sees it
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2007, 09:33:14 PM »
:(

Oh well, Himu will post in this thread when he sees it
Himu is sleeping off his delicious burrito.

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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2007, 10:00:09 PM »
You don't like skits like:

"You cronic smokin, Oreo cookie eatin, pickle juice drinkin, chicken gristle eating, biscuit suckin motherfucker!"
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2007, 11:29:05 PM »
I disagree. Ready 2 Die is a pretty good album, has nice production, but it is still nothing compared to the other greats. The other greats being Illmatic, Resurrection, Blazing Arrow, Blackstar, Me Against The World, and many others, but most importantly Like Water For Chocolate. I guess Big really wasn't my thing, although I do respect him and he could spit as well as a shoe shiner.

Now, if this were say, All Eyez on Me versus Life After Death, I'd vouch that Biggie won that one.
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2007, 11:32:05 PM »
One of the best rap albums ever, so many damn good lyrics.

I never thought I would agree with PD on something rap related.
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2007, 01:59:29 AM »
Himu...

Ready to Die blows Me Against the World out the water on every level. And I'm the biggest Tupac fan this side of makaveli :lol
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2007, 02:02:05 AM »
I disagree. Ready 2 Die is a pretty good album, has nice production, but it is still nothing compared to the other greats. The other greats being Illmatic, Resurrection, Blazing Arrow, Blackstar, Me Against The World, and many others, but most importantly Like Water For Chocolate. I guess Big really wasn't my thing, although I do respect him and he could spit as well as a shoe shiner.

Now, if this were say, All Eyez on Me versus Life After Death, I'd vouch that Biggie won that one.

lol @ blazing arrow being regarded as a great album.

of those mentioned, only illmatic and blackstar merit the honor.

everything else sucks.

and i like common, but like water for chocolate blew.

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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2007, 02:07:38 AM »
that's your opinion
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2007, 02:07:44 AM »
"I grew up a fucking screw up."

Fucking sick.


And my ringtone is,

"damn, niccas wanna stick me for my paper."
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2007, 02:09:30 AM »
black people are funny.


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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2007, 02:19:24 AM »
I don't know Himu, I'm liking this a lot. Lemme compare it to Illmatic...

Illmatic:
Classic Songs IMO (no order):
 N.Y. State Of Mind
 Halftime
 One Love
 Represent
 It Ain't Hard To Tell

That's not to say those are the only good songs - all the songs on the album are good. But some of them are flawed - The World is Yours has a horrible chorus imo. On the other hand, One Love, Halftime, and It Ain't Hard to Tell are some of the best rap songs I've ever heard bar none. All the songs I listed are nigh perfect imo.

Ready to Die:
Classic Songs IMO (on order):
 Machine Gun Funk
 Warning
 Everyday Struggle
 Me and My Bitch

Same here. While songs like Juicy are great, I feel the four songs above are on a higher plane - nigh perfect. Juicy has a pretty dumb chorus imo.


In the end Illmatic definitely has some of best rap songs ever. One Love and It Ain't Hard to Tell probably outclass anything on Ready to Die.

In terms of which album is better...give me more time to listen to them! I'm leaning towards Illmatic because it doesn't have any dumb - yet funny - skits or bad songs
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2007, 02:29:14 AM »
The content of Illmatic is so much better, as is the word play and flow. Ready 2 Die has better beats but that's it.

Even if World is Yours has a bad chorus, the lyrics make up for it.
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2007, 02:36:30 AM »
The content of Illmatic is so much better, as is the word play and flow. Ready 2 Die has better beats but that's it.

In terms of flow and wordplay you're right. In terms of delivery and presense Ready to Die has the edge.

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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2007, 02:39:31 AM »
That's because Biggie had Bad Boy to support him.

I'm the young city bandit, hold myself down singlehanded
For murder raps, I kick my thoughts alone, get remanded
Born alone, die alone, no crew to keep my crown or throne
I'm deep by sound alone, caved inside in a thousand miles from home
I need a new nicca, for this black cloud to follow
Cause while it's over me it's too dark to see tomorrow
Trying to maintain, I flip, fill the clip to the tip
Picturin my peeps, now the income make my heartbeat skip
And I'm amped up, they locked the champ up, even my brain's in handcuffs
Headed for Indiana stabbin women like the Phantom
The crew is lampin big Willie style
Check the chip toothed smile, plus I profile wild
Stash through the flock wools, burnin dollars to light my stove
Walk the blocks wit a bop, checkin Danes plus the games
people play, bust the problems of the world today
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2007, 03:20:27 AM »
I love it when you call me Big Poppa.

... and really, I'm gonna have to download this album now just to see.
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2007, 01:23:58 PM »
if i said it, i meant it
bite my tounge for no one
call me evil
or unbelievable

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THAT was my joint off Ready to Die. Also, if you're a fan of the Issac Hayes loop used in "Warning", check out Vikter Vaughan (aka MF DOOM) on "Lickapon", from his Vaudville Villian album. He freaks it lovely.
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2007, 01:25:24 PM »
Corny, is there a new Mf Doom album out soon? I haven't heard Doom since Mmm Food
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2007, 01:28:13 PM »
He's got one with Ghostface Killa (holy fucking shit) coming soon, tentively called "Swift and Changeable"

And there was just a Danger Doom remix album / free download from Adult Swim

shit, man.... throw a rock and there's a good chance it'll hit one of DOOM's projects
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2007, 01:28:36 PM »
Well, I forgot about Danger Doom. That was good.
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2007, 01:29:52 PM »
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2007, 01:35:16 PM »
MF DOOm  :-[
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2007, 01:35:21 PM »
No mention of 36 Chambers or Wu-Tang Forever? (The latter is my personal favorite rap album, though I'm not a serious hip-hop connosseur)
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2007, 01:37:09 PM »
MF DOOm  :-[


He's the motherfucking greatest   :-[
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Re: Greatest rap album I've heard...?
« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2007, 01:38:41 PM »
It took me awhile to appreciate him though. His flow has to be gotten used to before one can like him.

No mention of 36 Chambers or Wu-Tang Forever? (The latter is my personal favorite rap album, though I'm not a serious hip-hop connosseur)

I've never heard 36 Chambers unfortunately.
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